Talk:Olga Hartman

To do

• Confirm and verify family. Was Frieda her sister? Was her birth name Hartmann?
• Should her senior quote be included? I wouldn't want my senior quote here, so should it be removed?
  • I added it because it gives the subject a human interest angle. I will remove it if someone thinks that is best for the article
• Hartman authored 32 taxon names[1]
• WoRMS sources list has the majority of work available online by request[2]
• Complete summary of published and annotated letters ("Travels with Olga")
• Link to full access thesis and dissertation
• Petersen (her husband) is credited as the artist for many of the biological illustrations in Hartman's published work.
  •  Done

Viriditas (talk) 21:29, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 23:00, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that although Olga Hartman believed her basic research on marine worms had no practical value, it was applied to experimental studies of oysters? Source: Davis, Latham; Bratton, John (March 1978). "Pure Science: Modern Misnomer". The Sewanee News. Sewanee: The University of the South. 44 (1): 4. ISSN 0037-3044. OCLC 3923168; Loosanoff, V. L.; Engle, J. B. (1943). "Polydora in Oysters Suspended in the Water". Biological Bulletin. Marine Biological Laboratory, Woods Hole. 85 (1): 69–78.
  • ALT1: ... that the World Polychaeta Database is based in part on the work of Olga Hartman? Source: Read, G.; Fauchald, K. (Ed.) (2023). World Polychaeta Database. Retrieved November 21, 2023; Böggemann, Markus; Purschke, G.; Westheide, Wilfried (2019). Handbook of Zoology. Volume 1: Annelida Basal Groups and Pleistoannelida, Sedentaria I. De Gruyter. p. 20. ISBN 9783110291681. OCLC 1399979202.
  • ALT2: ... that Olga Hartman jumped around rocks like a gazelle searching for worms? Source: Mohr, John L. (1977). "Olga Hartman: A personal recollection." In D. J. Reish, & K. Fauchald (Eds.). Essays on Polychaetous Annelids: In Memory of Dr. Olga Hartman (pp. 25-27). Los Angeles: The Allan Hancock Foundation, University of Southern California. OCLC 3343542, 610415673.
  • ALT3: ... that engineering advancements in deep water biological sample collection methods produced new species for Olga Hartman to study? Source: Fauchald, Kristian; Reish, Donald J. (1977). "Biography and bibliography of Dr. Olga Hartman". In Donald J. Reish, & Kristian Fauchald (eds.). Essays on Polychaetous Annelids: In Memory of Dr. Olga Hartman. The Allan Hancock Foundation, University of Southern California. pp. 1-23. OCLC 3343542, 610415673.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Science-Fiction: The Gernsback Years

Moved to mainspace by Viriditas (talk). Self-nominated at 12:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Olga Hartman; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• New enough, easily long enough, and well sourced. QPQ done. Earwig had a high similarity score but found only properly marked quotes, publication titles, and proper nouns as copied phrases. All hooks within rules (possibly modulo repeating a footnote to place a copy of the footnote on the hook sentence), but I think ALT0 and ALT2 are the most interesting. Some hook sources are offline, so taking them AGF. Good to go, preferably with ALT0 or ALT2. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lightburst (talk · contribs) 02:02, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

I am looking forward to reviewing

1. The images appear to be free and properly licensed.
2. You might consider adding a non-free image of the person

   There's at least two images available right now, one free and one non-free. The free image is from her high school class, but I couldn't identify her in the photo since I believe one other girl in the photo is her sister and I couldn't tell them apart. One solution might be to use the entire class photo, but even then, how is the reader is supposed to identify her? The non-free image is from the late 1960s and shows her and her student Kristian Fauchald. Viriditas (talk) 19:53, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

   Correction, there are at least three images, one of which was a portrait profile from the Fauchald shoot in 1969. That would be ideal to use, but I haven't yet found a good copy. Viriditas (talk) 20:53, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

3. In early life the sentence needs MOS:LQUOTE "always searching for polychaetes, new and old." period should be outside of the quotations

   It says to include it on the inside if it was present in the original material. "When quoting a full sentence, the end of which coincides with the end of the sentence containing it, place terminal punctuation inside the closing quotation mark." However, I did remove two words from the beginning, which in the original context reads, "No matter, Olga cavorted over them like a gazelle", so I wonder if I need an ellipsis in the beginning. Also, does this mean I wasn't quoting a full sentence? It's a bit confusing. Viriditas (talk) 20:46, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

   Added ellipsis. Viriditas (talk) 20:48, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

4. In early life I think girls is possessive and should be girl's

   There is some major controversy over this online. I chose to go with girls athletics, which is AP style, but I see that some grammarians are wound up pretty tight about this style. Not sure what the answer is but I might take it up on the refdesk. Viriditas (talk) 20:00, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

   Update: This was already discussed at the refdesk in 2018. Although I hesitate to use the word consensus, my reading of the discussion is that it is acceptable to use girls or girls' in this specific instance. Viriditas (talk) 21:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

   I am also amenable to using the formulation "girls'", as that is quite common. Viriditas (talk) 21:31, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

5. Body should Professor be capitalized as it is part of S.F. Light's title?

   Yes. Changed. Viriditas (talk) 20:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

6. Body should algae covered be hypehnated?

   I dislike hyphens, but there's no way to argue against it here. Added. Viriditas (talk) 20:58, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

7. Body spent a brief period of time - should it be reduced to "a brief period"?

   Yes, I prefer that wording. Changed. Viriditas (talk) 20:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

8. Body should department of biological services be capitalized?

   Probably. Changed. Viriditas (talk) 20:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

9. Body Hartman became professor - should it be (a) professor?

   Yes. Added. Viriditas (talk) 21:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

10. Body Should PhD be Ph.D

    My understanding is that either format is acceptable provided it is consistent. I like the clean look of "PhD" so I used that instead. Viriditas (talk) 19:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

@Viriditas: Thanks for the edits and explanations. You are a valued editor and I am familiar with your work through DYK. I love learning more about this project and I plan to look for more areas of growth. I am happy with your edits and will let you know if I have other concerns after another read through and spot checks of citations. I won't hold it up over a subject image but I feel like it would be a big bonus to the article. Lightburst (talk) 01:03, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Review

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   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

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   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   As discussed above, a subject image would be nice.

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Good article.

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Olga Hartman's Daughter

Hello -- I am Dagmar, Olga Hartman's daughter. I just came across her page and think it's great! Thank you for keeping her legacy alive. To add a little more background, she came from a farm family of five children: Emil, Hulda, Frieda and Olga (fraternal twins), and baby brother Albert -- 16 years' later. Only Emil and Albert received funding for college (as long as they majored in engineering), but my mother was determined to get a higher education, so she taught school to earn her own money and ultimately attended the University of Illinois, majoring in botany. Once she saw the ocean for the first time, she was hooked (that's what she always told me). If you need a better picture of her, please let me know. 2601:1C1:8582:BF30:7123:D370:161E:9A35 (talk) 16:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome! More photos would be greatly appreciated. You can even upload them yourself if you like over at Wikimedia Commons, and then leave us a note here. Otherwise, you can contact me here, which will allow me to send you my email address. Also, if you like, you can create an account which will allow you to message people easier and receive notifications. Viriditas (talk) 08:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)