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DYK for Cherry Lass

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WikiCup 2012 September newsletter

We're over half way through the final, and so it is less than a month until we know for certain our 2012 WikiCup champion. Grapple X (submissions) currently leads, followed by Sasata (submissions), Cwmhiraeth (submissions) and Casliber (submissions). However, we have no one resembling a breakaway leader, and so the competition is a long way from over. Next month's newsletter will feature a list of our winners (who are not necessarily only the finalists) and keep your eyes open for an article on the WikiCup in a future edition of The Signpost. The leaders are already on a par with last year's winners, but a long way from the huge scores seen in 2010. That said, a repeat of the competition from 2010 seems unlikely.

It is good to see that three-quarters of our finalists have already scored bonus points this round. This shows that, contrary to criticism that the WikiCup has received in the past, the competition does not merely incentivise the writing of trivial articles; instead, our top competitors are still spending their time contributing to high-importance articles, and bringing them to a high standard. This does a great service to the encyclopedia and its readers. Thank you, and good work!

The planning for next year's WikiCup is ongoing. Some straw polls have been opened concerning the scoring, and you can now sign up for next year's competition. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) J Milburn (talk) 20:05, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Encke (horse)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

George Dawson (trainer) for DYK?

Hello, Tigerboy1966. I have nominated this short one of yours for DYK. Could you put in more footnotes, please? Thanks. Happy editing. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 08:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick edits here. This article should get on MainPage tomorrow or so. BTW, could you take Crisco's question at Template:Did you know nominations/Miss Jummy, please? I wonder if a list of acceptable references can be posted somewhere on Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse racing. Just an idea... --PFHLai (talk) 05:12, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Jack Jarvis

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:52, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Paddy Prendergast (racehorse trainer)

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:02, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for George Dawson (trainer)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Miss Jummy

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DYK for Pourparler (horse)

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A cup of coffee for you!

Hello! I wanted to say nice job on the Garden Path article, its very well referenced, the layout and structure is perfect, and everything else looks great. That takes time, thanks for working so hard to improve wikipedia :) Righteousskills (talk) 21:19, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Dewhurst

Beat me to the result by seconds!!--Bcp67 (talk) 14:03, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Suggestions

I'd go with Dawn Approach and Certify for top two-year-olds. Don't known about 3yo filly though, see what happens next weekend. Like you say, the sprinter/stayer categories are pretty open. Moonlight Cloud was actually near the top of my to-do list anyway! Edwarddutton (talk) 09:43, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Re:Tags not showing on Schillaci (horse)

These particular tags are supposed to be invisible on the articles and don't appear like the usual clean-up request maintenance tags. For example, {{Use Australian English}} will file the article under Category:Use Australian English and can be seen while editing, but regular Wikipedia readers don't necessarily need to see that. Hope this helps explains things. Dl2000 (talk) 19:39, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Begonia Brandbygeana. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Whizgig, and have un-reviewed it again. If you've got any questions, please ask me on my talk page. Thanks, Begonia Brandbygeana

Craven Stakes

Yep, I was tempted to unlink it myself, but seeing as it had already been linked I left it in. Perhaps we should do the same for any of these races?? For example I originally linked the Gordon Stakes in Orme, I've seen a few other examples about as well. Edwarddutton (talk) 22:35, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2012 October newsletter

The 2012 WikiCup has come to a close; congratulations to Cwmhiraeth (submissions), our 2012 champion! Cwmhiraeth joins our exclusive club of previous winners: Dreamafter (2007), jj137 (2008), Durova (2009), Sturmvogel 66 (2010) and Hurricanehink (2011). Our final standings were as follows:

1. Cwmhiraeth (submissions)
2. Sasata (submissions)
3. Grapple X (submissions)
4. Casliber (submissions)
5. Muboshgu (submissions)
6. Miyagawa (submissions)
7. Ruby2010 (submissions)
8. Dana Boomer (submissions)

Prizes for first, second, third and fourth will be awarded, as will prizes for all those who reached the final eight. Every participant who scored in the competition will receive a ribbon of participation. In addition to the prizes based on placement, the following special prizes will be awarded based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, the prize is awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round.

• The featured article award goes to Grapple X (submissions), for four featured articles in the final round.
• The good article award also goes to Grapple X (submissions), for 19 good articles in the second round.
• The list award goes to Muboshgu (submissions), for three featured lists in the final round.
• The topic award goes to Grapple X (submissions), for three good topics (with around 40 articles) in round 4.
• The did you know award goes to Cwmhiraeth (submissions), for well over 100 DYKs in the final round.
• The news award goes to ThaddeusB (submissions), for 10 in the news items in round 3.
• The picture award goes to Grandiose (submissions), for two featured pictures in round 2.
• The reviewer award goes to both Ruby2010 (submissions) (14 reviews in round 1) and Grandiose (submissions) (14 reviews in round 3).
• Finally, for achieving an incredible bonus point total in the final round, and for bringing the top-importance article frog to featured status, a biostar has been awarded to Cwmhiraeth (submissions).

Awards will be handed out in the coming days; please bear with us! This year's competition also saw fantastic contributions in all rounds, from newer Wikipedians contributing their first good or featured articles, right up to highly experienced Wikipedians chasing high scores and contributing to topics outside of their usual comfort zones. It would be impossible to name all of the participants who have achieved things to be proud of, but well done to all of you, and thanks! Wikipedia has certainly benefited from the work of this year's WikiCup participants.

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DYK for Camarine

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:03, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Chapeau d'Espagne

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no comment necessary: just read the above, think about it, and weep/laugh. Tigerboy1966  22:06, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Wise Dan

Tigerboy...great job on Wise Dan. He's one heck of a horse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allenhjoyner (talk • contribs) 23:06, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Kelly Kip

Tigerboy, Hello again. I know you are so good writing about thoroughbreds on Wiki. I know of no one better. I have a horse you may like to consider, one that is not mentioned often yet was one of the fastest horses I have ever seen. Kelly Kip

Was tough to keep sound, and of diminutive size, modestly bred, and trained by the old master, Allen Jerkens. Ran from 1996 to 2000.

Among his amazing accomplishments: Belmont 5F (:55.75) breaking his maiden 6/21/96. (still stands) Broke the Aqueduct track record for 6 furlongs (1:07.64) in the 1998 Bold Ruler H'Cap. Broke his own track record at Aqueduct in the 1999 Bold Ruler H'Cap (1:07.54 still stands)trouncing eventual Sprint Champion Artax in the process. Broke the track record at Finger Lakes for 6 furlongs (1:08.20) in the Finger Lakes Breeders Cup Stakes (still stands). Is the only horse in history to receive a Beyer speed number of 120 or more for 3 consecutive years. His only problem was staying sound. He was on the sidelines by the time the Breeders Cup races were held each year. (as mentioned above, he easily beat Artax, the 1999 BC Sprint winner). Earned over $1 million in purses. The fastest sprinter on the planet for almost 5 years, yet never won an award. As I said, he was a tiny colt who would wear down easily and had soundness issues.

I hope you will consider him for a future Wiki story.

Thanks,

Allen Joyner (Saratoga AJ)

Some info: http://www.pedigreequery.com/kelly+kip

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/08/13/sports/horse-racing-kelly-kip-shows-dazzling-speed-again.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/06/sports/horse-racing-kelly-kip-shows-he-s-no-fluke-in-tremont.html

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1998-07-17/sports/1998198141_1_kelly-kip-finger-lakes-affirmed-success (and he won this race)

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2000/november/19/top-sprinter-kelly-kip-retires.aspx

Only video I could find: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hCx_Fj3Zzk

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Re: Great Subscription Purse

Cheers. For some reason I missed Oriana off the linking when I first wrote the article. Regarding Phoenomenon, I've changed the spelling, which I see is how it's spelt on the Leger page as well. In the 1784 racing calendar they use Phœnomenon, and in the Turf register (1822) then use Phænomenon, neither of which are very good for creating an article I guess. Edwarddutton (talk) 18:39, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

DRF BOOK

Tiger....isn't that "Champions....." book a terrific reference tool?

It's time for me to update my copy. It was the very first issued, and only covered through 2000.

AJ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allenhjoyner (talk • contribs) 18:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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Xtra Heat

Here's a filly sprinter that you may be interested in. Xtra Heat was a super fast little filly, and Eclipse Award winner (2001 3 Yr Old Filly title, even though she only sprinted). She already has a Wiki section but it is really not good at all. Very little about her. Strangely, most of the information covers some of her offspring. She had an outstanding record: 35 Starts, 26-5-2 and earnings of $2,389,635. Certainly worthy of the "Tiger treatment"! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allenhjoyner (talk • contribs) 01:38, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Kelly Kip

Tiger... Another fine job. But one revision/correction is in order. The De Francis Dash at Laurel was a Grade I in 1998 when Kelly set the stakes record. In fact, it wasn't downgraded to a Grade II until 2011, when it returned to the Laurel Meet after a one year hiatus. The Dash was a Grade I from 1997 to 2009.

I never knew he sired quarter horses! But it makes sense, he was that kind of sprinter, even when it came to his diminutive size. Came out of the gate like a shot out of a cannon. I wish there were more videos of his races. You would have enjoyed watching that little sucker go.

Thanks for adding him to Wiki.

Saratoga AJ

PS..wish I was at Gulfsteam too...it's mighty cold up here right now in Saratoga and will be for the next four months or so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allenhjoyner (talk • contribs) 20:28, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

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Mongo

Tiger,

Here'a another good subject for consideration. Mongo raced against all the best thoroughbreds from 1962-64, including Carry Back and Kelso (he both beat and lost to them). He was equally formidable on dirt and grass. He won 6 G-1's (in those days, race with purses of $100,000 or more were the equivalent to G-1's) as well as 10 other stakes races. Named champion turf horse in 1963. The sparse existing entry in Wikipedia should be expanded upon.

Thanks...and Happy Holidays to you!

AHJ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allenhjoyner (talk • contribs) 15:40, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Xtra Heat & Mongo

Sounds good. I will look forward to these entries.

Mongo's win over Kelso in the 1963 Washington DC Int'l was a surprise to say the least.

I best remember Mongo from his two races against Carry Back in the 1962 & 63 Trenton H'Caps. CB (129lbs) lost by a nose to Mongo (118lbs) in 1962, his last race before heading to stud the first time. Then the following year, in CB's last race ever (went to stud for good) CB prevailed by 2 1/2 in one very emotional race while going off at 7-1 and getting 5 lbs from Mongo (124-119). I'll never forget watching that race on TV. I, like everyone else, though old CB was no longer the horse he once was and should never have been brought back to the races after his first retirement. You know the story! :)

Some recently found videos you may like to see:

Here's some great videos of Preskness Stakes from the 1960's(1960,61,62,64,65,66,67). The 1961 is CB's win, where he again came out of the clouds.

http://kauaidreamvacation.com/videos/video/TpaKHcAcRFw/Preakness-1960s-Newsreels.html

Also here's a great website that shows some available videos of Kentucky Derbies all the way back to 1918! Just plug in the year!

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/history/year/1961

Here's the 1962 Whitney Handicap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMRg6XdRhzI

Enjoy!

Allenhjoyner (talk) 00:32, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

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Meteors

Personally I think Meteor (horse foaled in 1839) is a bit long so would prefer something like Meteor (1839 horse) or Meteor (horse; 1839) etc. Do you know of this being done for any other horses in the project? Edwarddutton (talk) 09:41, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Orme GA

Cheers for this. I was wondering about it myself, so it's good to know you have the same opinion, Edwarddutton (talk) 11:03, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

ps. Regarding Meteor (horse), do you think we should leave it (and any other such cases) as they are until an article is created for the other horse, or add the foaling year in now? Edwarddutton (talk) 11:08, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Vespa

Don't worry about it, the Hungarian Wikipedia is also often confuse the two families. Have a nice day. :) --Norden1990 (talk) 23:49, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for El Condor Pasa (horse)

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Trivia question

I'll take a punt at Provideo? Bcp67 (talk) 20:37, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Excellent article as ever - remember him very well but never saw him run. Bcp67 (talk) 10:49, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Victoire Pisa

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DYK for Daiwa Major

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WikiCup: use of {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Multiplier|none}}

Hi Tigerboy. I'm the guy who maintains the WikiCup bot. I see that you've added {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Multiplier|none}} to your own submission. Whilst this is fine, I wouldn't recommend it, because the bot will never overrule you, even if it thinks you deserve bonus points -- and this year we have quite a selection for DYK submissions. Were you just copying an entry from last year, or did a project page recommend adding the template yourself, can I ask? - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 09:29, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

The bot had gotten itself a little confused, yes. I've manually correct the errors; or was it something else you meant? - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 23:18, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

James Robinson

Yep, will do. Cheers for the article, Edwarddutton (talk) 11:25, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Eyes and help

Huge dab shitstorm has started at WikiProject Equine. Someone wants to rename all the horse breed articles to "Breed X (horse)" instead of the current "Breed X horse" that we use to avoid confusion with the named individual horse articles. That editor suggests renaming all the individual horse articles from "Named horse X (horse)" to "Named horse X (racehorse)" to avoid confusion. I think that will hit over 1000 articles tagged by WikiProject horse racing. They argue that we have a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS that is not allowed, I argue that many breed names DO include "horse" or "pony" in breed society names. There is also another argument by same user over whether something is a breed or a landrace, i.e. we shouldn't call stuff "breeds", but that's a side issue and one fraught with OR as well. But figured the naming stuff could hit your project, so heads up. If you think it worth posting at WP Horse racing, go for it, I don't want to be canvassing on this, other than the couple of people I've given a heads up to due to their likely personal interest (you and out expert on British pony breeds). Montanabw^(talk) 18:21, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

I would have thought that WP:COMMONNAME would apply to the "breed" names: and to the breed/landrace controversy for that matter. I think at most of the articles on individual Thoroughbreds are on my watchlist so I will see what happens. Something similar seems to have happened at WikiProject Cats.  Tigerboy1966  19:12, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Same time period and same editor by any chance? I think the one causing my headaches is modifying his/her position in my favor, but wonder if someone solo was trying to create a "policy"? Hmmmm... Montanabw^(talk) 23:39, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Selkirk

Thanks for your help with it today. I had never done the standard article for horses and just winged it. Enjoy your sugar cube or would you prefer an apple? — ^Wylie_Coyote 21:29, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

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I'm really sorry, but I've removed your three submissions, as the articles were very much last year's work. You need to write and nominate anything you're claiming this year. This probably won't be a problem from now one- You get the points in the round they were promoted, even if no work was done that round, but work has to be done during the year. If you have any questions, please contact me on my talk page. J Milburn (talk) 23:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

The Italian Flag Man

Thanks for the heads up. I still have the page on my watchlist. Why do they bother? Cuddy Wifter (talk) 01:11, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Some people live only for wikidrahmahz.  :-P Montanabw^(talk) 17:04, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Illia Connell. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, William the Third (horse), and have un-reviewed it again. If you've got any questions, please ask me on my talk page. Thanks, Illia Connell

Hey Tigerboy, go ask to get Autopatrolled rights. You've been around long enough, that way all your new stuff is automatically reviewed. Montanabw^(talk) 17:10, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Mtoto

If you do get back to this page, I'm curious about the origin of the name. Any connection with this song and songstress Zap Mama? Perhaps it's come up in an interview or wherever these matters get discussed [?]. -- Thanks, Deborahjay (talk) 18:11, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Fergie Sutherland

Hiya Tigerboy, I was just wondering could ya have a look at this and see could ya improve it any or give your thoughts Finnegas (talk) 22:48, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Caracalla (horse)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Timeform

Yeah, some of them definately need articles, same goes for the national hunt horses. I've been meaning to look at Zilzal for months, but I must confess that I don't know some of the names on the list. Edwarddutton (talk) 16:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Zilzal in progress, was all the prompting I needed. Edwarddutton (talk) 17:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Going to have a go at Charlottesville. As you know, it's a struggle to find sources for this period though. Edwarddutton (talk) 10:53, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I've put up a start to the article, but apart from the Grand Prix de Paris I could find little apart from the bare bones. Couldn't find his overall race record either, so you're welcome to add anything you can find. Edwarddutton (talk) 10:13, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I know he's not on the list, but I'm going to tackle Bering next. Edwarddutton (talk) 16:11, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 January newsletter

Signups are now closed; we have our final 127 contestants for this year's competition. 64 contestants will make it to the next round at the end of February, but we're already seeing strong scoring compared to previous years. Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) currently leads, with 358 points. At this stage in 2012, the leader ( Grapple X (submissions)) had 342 points, while in 2011, the leader had 228 points. We also have a large number of scorers when compared with this stage in previous years. 12george1 (submissions) was the first competitor to score this year, as he was last year, with a detailed good article review. Some other firsts:

• 12george1 (submissions) was also the first to score for an article, with the good article Hurricane Gordon (2000). Again, this is a repeat of last year!
• Buggie111 (submissions) was the first to score for a did you know, with Marquis Flowers.
• Spencer (submissions) was the first to score for an in the news, with 2013 Houphouët-Boigny stampede.
• Status (submissions) was the first to score for a featured list, with list of Billboard Social 50 number-one artists.
• Adam Cuerden (submissions) was the first to score for a featured picture, with File:Thure de Thulstrup - L. Prang and Co. - Battle of Gettysburg - Restoration by Adam Cuerden.jpg.

Featured articles, portals and topics, as well as good topics, are yet to feature in the competition.

This year, the bonus points system has been reworked, with bonus points on offer for old articles prepared for did you know, and "multiplier" points reworked to become more linear. For details, please see Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring. There have been some teething problems as the bot has worked its way around the new system, but issues should mostly be ironed out- please report any problems to the WikiCup talk page. Here are some participants worthy of note with regards to the bonus points:

• Ed! (submissions) was the first to score bonus points, with Portland-class cruiser, a good article.
• Hawkeye7 (submissions) has the highest overall bonus points, as well as the highest scoring article, thanks to his work on Enrico Fermi, now a good article. The biography of such a significant figure to the history of science warrants nearly five times the normal score.
• HueSatLum (submissions) claimed bonus points for René Vautier and Nicolas de Fer, articles that did not exist on the English Wikipedia at the start of the year; a first for the WikiCup. The articles were eligible for bonus points because of fact they were both covered on a number of other Wikipedias.

Also, a quick mention of The C of E (submissions), who may well have already written the oddest article of the WikiCup this year: did you know that the Fucking mayor objected to Fucking Hell on the grounds that there was no Fucking brewery? The gauntlet has been thrown down; can anyone beat it?

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DYK for Pall Mall (horse)

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Foaling dates

Ran across this DRF article when researching Jack Spigot (wrong Spigot unfortunately) but I thought I would pass it along. Froggerlaura ^ribbit 19:22, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Help!

Hi Tigerboy, over at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/William_Robinson_Brown/archive1, I am trying to figure out horse prices in 1918. I found a site stating an officer's horse might go for 75 pounds, but haven't found a good RS on horses of breeding quality, such as race horses. So, given your expertise in this area, can you point me to some race horse biographies or other sources that indicate the types of prices that English Thoroughbreds were selling for in that period? The consensus of experts is that when WR Brown paid Wilfrid Scawen Blunt 2727 pounds for 20 horses, he got them at fire sale prices, though that averages out to 136 pounds per horse, so still over the price of an officer's charger. Trying to find some higher-end horses to use as a comparison (that same year, Samuel Riddle paid $5000 for Man O' War as a yearling) Feel free to answer here or pop over there. Thanks. Montanabw^(talk) 17:38, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Most of the best Tb horses at the time were owner-bred, so they were rarely offered for sale. The European record for a yearling in 1918 was 10,000 guineas paid for Sceptre back in 1900. A top class yearling would typically set you back between 2,000 and 5,000 guineas: The Panther cost 3,6000 and Papyrus went for 3,500. Anything under 500 guineas was cheap: Grand Parade made only 470 as a foal. As for established horses, The Panther was offered for sale at 40,000 guineas at the end of his two-year-old season, which was considered double what anyone might have been expected to pay. I suppose you could add a sentence to the article saying "This was at a time when some owners were willing to pay xxxx for one promising Thoroughbred yearling..." Most of the prices quoted are referenced in the articles. I'll let you know if I find anything on average/median prices.  Tigerboy1966  19:26, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

OK, what's the difference between a guinea and a pound? Montanabw^(talk) 22:26, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Not much. 1 guinea = 1.05 pounds.  Tigerboy1966  22:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Thoroughbred

Hello. Thanks for querying my action over the term 'thoroughbred'. According to the international edition of Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary, the initial T of 'Thoroughbred is capitalised only when the following conditions apply:

• The word is a proper noun (NOT an adjective)
• The referent is "A horse whose ancestry is recorded in the English Stud Book, and which is therefore descended from one of three Eastern sires: the Byerly Turk, the Darley Arabian, or the Godolphin".
  Can you please cite a superior authority for capitalising it as an adjective, or go back and restore my copyedits? Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 05:29, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

"A horse whose ancestry is recorded in the English Stud Book, and which is therefore descended from one of three Eastern sires: the Byerly Turk, the Darley Arabian, or the Godolphin" is the meaning in the articles involved.  Tigerboy1966  08:30, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Tigerboy is correct. It is the longstanding consensus at WikiProject Equine that the breed "Thoroughbred" is a proper noun and hence, capitalized. See Thoroughbred. The use of the word "thoroughbred" to refer to a purebred animal is incorrect usage in general, and extraordinarily incorrect in horses, as "Thoroughbred-[insert other breed here] implies a crossbred animal such as the Anglo-Arabian. Montanabw^(talk) 19:54, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Tigerboy's edits were not correct. Yes, agreed, for WP purposes, capitalise it as a proper noun, but not as an adjective. 'Black Caviar is a Thoroughbred [noun]', may mean to some enthusiasts that 'B.C. is a (strictly defined particular class of) thoroughbred [adjective] horse'. So, if you must have it that way, go back and replace 'Thoroughbred horse' with just 'Thoroughbred' in every instance. Notwithstanding consensus of a very limited number of persons, this loosely-used peculiarity of equine jargon cannot entitle anyone to ignore the established conventions of standard English. If you still disagree and can find a good authority for your irregular usage, you might like to bring the Wictionary definitions of thoroughbred and Thoroughbred up to date for the rest of the world. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 02:15, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Um, No. Black Caviar is a Thoroughbred. That is her breed. She is not a Gypsy Vanner horse (cough, cough), Camargue horse or Standardbred. As for not capitalizing when used as an adjective, in this example it is capitalized when referring to the breed of horse when used as a noun AND an adjective. Merriam-Webster also does not specify it should be not be capitalized when referring to the breed. So I think Funk & Wagnalls is out of touch (probably why they are now defunct). Froggerlaura ^ribbit 02:53, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Bjenks is correct to point out that a local consensus counts for little on Wikipedia. However, I would maintain that the use of a capital in the phrase "Thoroughbred racehorse" is supported both by usage and by the source cited (Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary). It's a proper noun being used attributively (a noun adjunct), and it refers to a descendent of one of the foundation sires. I should also point out that Standard English (note the capital "S" Bjenks!) is not a single set of conventions; it varies according to region and topic. And "Wiktionary" has a "k" in it! Tigerboy1966  08:51, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

This is a long-settled issue, where is Bjenks raising this besides your talk page? You are in the right here, Tigerboy, but if it is helpful, I'd like to weigh in at wherever the actual problem is occurring. Probably some other WPEQ members can also help. We get tired of these endless tendentious debates by people who have no knowledge of horses or horse terminology. Montanabw^(talk) 18:37, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer Montana. Bjenks changed about 6 pages, was reverted by myself and User:Bcp67, and dropped by our talk pages to discuss things. I think he's wrong, but I'm sure he means well, and I can't see this escalating. Tigerboy1966  23:19, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Groovy. If that changes, anyone who worked on getting Thoroughbred to FA will no doubt rally to you if needed. Montanabw^(talk) 00:41, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Richmond course

I'm putting together a race record table for Blacklock and wondered if you had come across a mention of how long the course was at Richmond. I have all the other courses/distances for him, but some of the Richmond races simply state "once round". Cheers, Edwarddutton (talk) 20:27, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks anyway, Edwarddutton (talk) 19:52, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Birmingham (horse)

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DYK for Birmingham (horse)

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WikiCup 2013 February newsletter

Round 1 is now over. The top 64 scorers have progressed to round 2, where they have been randomly split into eight pools of eight. At the end of April, the top two from each pool, as well as the 16 highest scorers from those remaining, will progress to round 3. Commiserations to those eliminated; if you're interested in still being involved in the WikiCup, able and willing reviewers will always be needed, and if you're interested in getting involved with other collaborative projects, take a look at the WikiWomen's Month discussed below.

Round 1 saw 21 competitors with over 100 points, which is fantastic; that suggests that this year's competition is going to be highly competative. Our lower scores indicate this, too: A score of 19 was required to reach round 2, which was significantly higher than the 11 points required in 2012 and 8 points required in 2011. The score needed to reach round 3 will be higher, and may depend on pool groupings. In 2011, 41 points secured a round 3 place, while in 2012, 65 was needed. Our top three scorers in round 1 were:

1. Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), primarily for an array of warship GAs.
2. Miyagawa (submissions), primarily for an array of did you knows and good articles, some of which were awarded bonus points.
3. Casliber (submissions), due in no small part to Canis Minor, a featured article awarded a total of 340 points. A joint submission with Keilana (submissions), this is the highest scoring single article yet submitted in this year's competition.

Other contributors of note include:

• Sven Manguard (submissions), whose Portal:Massachusetts is the first featured portal this year. The featured portal process is one of the less well-known featured processes, and featured portals have traditionally had little impact on WikiCup scores.
• Sasata (submissions), whose Mycena aurantiomarginata was the first featured article this year.
• Muboshgu (submissions) and Wizardman (submissions), who both claimed points for articles in the Major League Baseball tie-breakers topic, the first topic points in the competition.
• Toa Nidhiki05 (submissions), who claimed for the first full good topic with the Casting Crowns studio albums topic.

Featured topics have still played no part in this year's competition, but once again, a curious contribution has been offered by The C of E (submissions): did you know that there is a Shit Brook in Shropshire? With April Fools' Day during the next round, there will probably be a good chance of more unusual articles...

March sees the WikiWomen's History Month, a series of collaborative efforts to aid the women's history WikiProject to coincide with Women's History Month and International Women's Day. A number of WikiCup participants have already started to take part. The project has a to-do list of articles needing work on the topic of women's history. Those interested in helping out with the project can find articles in need of attention there, or, alternatively, add articles to the list. Those interested in collaborating on articles on women's history are also welcome to use the WikiCup talk page to find others willing to lend a helping hand. Another collaboration currently running is an an effort from WikiCup participants to coordinate a number of Easter-themed did you know articles. Contributions are welcome!

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Theodore

Cheers, I noticed you'd been making good progress through the Leger winners. I hadn't actually looked at Theodore yet. The only ones in my sandbox at the moment are Young Giantess (Sorcerer and Eleanor's dam) and Diadem. I really should get Diadem sorted as well, she's been in prep for a while. I've been quite busy lately though, and I expect I won't have much free time from 12th to 15th, haha. Edwarddutton (talk) 22:24, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

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Why UK people loves jump racing?

As title. There horses most of them can't become stallion in retirement life, I don't understand the value of jump races. Also, why owners from Middle East almost not own a jump horse? --Horsemeister (talk) 01:04, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Petronius (horse)

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WikiCup 2013 March newsletter

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate Miyagawa (submissions) (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's Casliber (submissions) (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with WikiWomen's History Month. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist Niels Bohr ( Hawkeye7 (submissions)), on the European hare ( Cwmhiraeth (submissions)), on the constellation Circinus ( Keilana (submissions) and Casliber (submissions)) and on the Third Epistle of John ( Cerebellum (submissions)). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's wikification drive. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such gnomish work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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Rainbow Quest

Thanks for your thanks. It was Auroras Encore which led me to RQ and the duff links of course. Great horse, around that time I was getting hugely into Flat racing. Although a mile was never his trip he was part of that great 84 Guineas with El Gran Senor, Chief Singer and Lear Fan. There's some dodgy links to Nearctic as well, which needs the (horse) dab, I'll sort those out now. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Ambrosio (horse)

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Comment on an AfD

Could you comment on Sterling's Afd. It is a horse from the 1870s that won the Craven Stakes. You would know more about this than anybody. Maybe help out the new editor. From the looks of the article, I don't thing the editor's first language is English. Bgwhite (talk) 07:03, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

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Orme

You may have already seen, but Orme got promoted to GA today. Just wanted to say cheers for all the help in general. Edwarddutton (talk) 21:34, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Questions on your article Ebor (horse)

There's a discussion here on a DYK nomination for an article you created. Some of the reviewers for the nomination have raised questions about sources that you might be able to answer. Thanks in advance. TheBlueCanoe 13:29, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the star Tigerboy, and thanks for all your advice and assistance too. Peaky76 (talk) 13:05, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ebor (horse)

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DYK for Elis (horse)

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Blackstairmountain

Hello. I've nom'ed this for DYK. May I ask if the breeder and owner of this horse is Mrs JP or JM Mullins, please? The main text and the infobox don't match. Also, is there a ref for the bit about its being named after Blackstairs Mountain in Leinster, please? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 09:56, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

done and done. V. pleased to find a "named after" ref as I feared it would be one of those "too obvious to mention" things. Tigerboy1966  11:48, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for getting things fixed so quickly, Tigerboy. Happy editing! Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 01:38, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Blackstairmountain

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Unlinking

In line with WP:OVERLINK, I removed links to "names of major geographic features and locations" (such as United States, United Kingdom, Ireland), and "common units of measurement" (such as metres). Were there any unlinkings apart from these that you are questioning? Colonies Chris (talk) 21:15, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Links are excessive if they don't provide any benefit to the reader. There cannot be a single WP reader in the entire world who needs a link to explain what is meant by the 'United States'. Just about the only place I would expect to see that link is in articles about basic world geography.

I doubt that any reader of these articles would be in doubt about the meaning of 'pound' in this context, but I would be perfectly happy to see a metric equivalent included as well. Colonies Chris (talk) 22:05, 26 April 2013 (UTC).

In fact, today's FA doesn't link 'Welsh/Wales' in the lead or in the main body of the article, only in the infobox; and personally I would have left it unlinked there too as the box already carries links to more specific units Swansea and Glamorgan, so it's trebly superfluous. There's never going to be full agreement about what constitutes a 'major' geographic location, but our imagined general reader is a person of normal intelligence and some intellectual curiosity, not someone who needs 'US' or 'UK' explained.

As for weights - the link to 'pounds' alone is not specific enough anyway, as US and UK pounds differ; there is a particular need to clarify this in an article about an American horse such as Nuclear Debate, described running in a British race; a metric conversion would clarify this and benefit of the rest of the world who prefer metric. Colonies Chris (talk) 09:09, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Original Barnstar
		For the huge amount of work you've done on the early St. Leger winners. All excellent articles too. Edwarddutton (talk) 20:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Eclipse painting

A bit of a random question and something I've wondered about for ages. Do you know which Eclipse picture is actually the one painted by Stubbs? As there seems to be few versions, presumably copies of each other, and in some of the others he actually looks like a chestnut, unlike the one on his wiki page. ps. look at the jockey/horse proportion in Goldfinder's pic, haha. Edwarddutton (talk) 21:58, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Baird

Thanks for your note on George Alexander Baird. Good to get positive feedback. I hope to do an article on Captain James Machell next if I can gather enough data.

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We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with Sven Manguard (submissions) claiming for the high-importance Portal:Sports and Portal:Geography (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and Cwmhiraeth (submissions) claiming for a did you know of sea, the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place Casliber (submissions) and second place Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

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DYK for Oxbow (horse)

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DYK for Hethersett (horse)

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Oxbow for GA?

Hi Tigerboy, want to see if we now have Oxbow (horse) ready for a GA run? I have two cn tags yet to fix and won't cry if they have to be tossed, plus I'd like to find out how tall the horse is for the stats section, but other than that, I think I toned down Craigld's breathless (but very entertaining) sportswriter prose and found RS sources for almost everything. At this point I think it's ready for a fresh set of critical eyes, then I'd like to co-nom it for GA. Feel free to cast a critical eye, I've now survived a solo FA run and got me a WP:FOUR award for an article so I'd like to think that I'm ready to take the heat from any solid WP reviewer. By the time we nominate and get a reviewer, we'll probably we past the Belmont, but I don't see a problem adding another paragraph along the way, frankly. Montanabw^(talk) 22:16, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

PIng for an answer at my talkpage and cheers for the Epsom Derby. Dang, wish I had cable, but probably even ESPN won't carry it over here anyway.  :-P Love to watch races on turf; all the classics here in the states are on dirt, which is kind of a cheap thrill if you are standing on the rail and get some kicked in your face by the horses, but other than that, it's just, well, dirt... Montanabw^(talk) 23:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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Oxbow redux

Well, I think I've exhausted all there is to say about Oxbow and I'm ready to take it to GA. However, the informal peer reviewer I had look over the article thinks we should take it directly to FAC. I'm hesitant to do so, partly due to stability issues (by the time it's GA, time should be adequate for FA) but wonder what you think? Also, I'd like to invite you to User:Montanabw/Sandbox 4 where I am working on an article about Paynter, who doesn't have his own article yet. Want to help get it going? Thanks! Montanabw^(talk) 23:26, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Sole Power

I guess you've got an article underway? If so I won't put it in the redlinks for the KSS.--Bcp67 (talk) 19:37, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your thanks. Picked SP out of the paper this morning as a likely winner. That's an 8-1 one gone unbacked then.... I'll have a look at Ravinella on Saturday I reckon. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:00, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Sole Power

I guess you've got an article underway? If so I won't put it in the redlinks for the KSS.--Bcp67 (talk) 19:37, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your thanks. Picked SP out of the paper this morning as a likely winner. That's an 8-1 one gone unbacked then.... I'll have a look at Ravinella on Saturday I reckon. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:00, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Estimate

Thanks Tigerboy, I thought if I got the article up quickly it would stop anyone else working on one. Not quick enough though! Anyway, I'll let you know if I start any others over the rest of the week, stop any more duplication. Edwarddutton (talk) 16:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Blacklock

Yes, you're right of course, I probably should have put that in when I first wrote the article. Anyway, I've basically added a short phrase at the start of each season, so I think it's clear now when he became know as Blacklock. Regarding Orville and Walton's first race, I do kind of like writing about bits like that. It brings the article to life a bit, when often at that time we have little more than just the results of each race to go on. Edwarddutton (talk) 07:20, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

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Carl Frampton

Need help, to stop a long term series of counter edits. As he is a pro-boxer either he is an Irish or British boxer, entirely depending on which pro-association he boxers for (by definition of purely sporting nationality). As far as I can make-out without source he is British. Could you let me know if there is a site I can find out on? Cheers. Murry1975 (talk) 17:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Paynter (horse)

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DYK

Hi, well done! :)Chamossaire is another very good article on British Classic Winner's! Just said I would inform you that I nominated it for DYK here. Please feel to propose alternative hook if you choose. Finnegas (talk) 18:12, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

tweaked the hook a little. If you've ever been to York you would know that getting 150k into the city must have been an absolute hoot. The traditional home of the Leger at Donny is in the far south of the county, having the race at York must have induced a very different atmosphere. Tigerboy1966  18:22, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

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James White

Thank you very much for the info. It's most thoughtful of you to pass it on. Best Tim riley (talk) 13:36, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Though brung up within walking distance of Aintree racecourse I know nothing of racing, or what might be of interest to you. The Times obit of James White mentions other horses. Whether that is of use to you I know not, but this is what The Times said (ref: "Mr. James White", The Times, 30 July 1927, p. 11):

Mr. White first came into notice when his colours, pale blue and khaki hoops, were carried by that good horse, Irish Elegance, who won the July Cup at Newmarket in 1918. As a four-year-old he won the Salford Borough Handicap with 9st 9lb. on his back, and achieved the greatest victory of his career by easily winning the Royal Hunt Cup with 9st 11lb. Later in the season Irish Elegance won the Portland Handicap at Doncaster, carrying 10st. 2lb. Being out of a half-bred mare, Irish Elegance was not eligible for inclusion in the Stud Book, and as a stallion proved a failure. Quite recently he changed hands for a very small sum. Another good horse owned by Mr. White was Ivanhoe, who won the Cesarewitch in 1919, and Mr. White purchased Sir Berkeley for 7,000 guineas in the hope of winning the Cambridgeshire also, but Sir Berkeley proved a failure. It was in 1910 that Mr. White purchased Pharemacic as a yearling for 2,600 guineas. This filly won each of her eight races as a juvenile and won two races as a four-year-old. Another good horse of his was Granely, who won his only race as a juvenile, and the Lincolnshire Handicap in 1922 as a four-year-old ridden by S. Donoghue.

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It's up

Went crazy and did the FAC. Watchlist. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Oxbow (horse)/archive1. Yeah, I'm nuts, but am blaming User:Eric Corbett, it was his idea. (LOL) Montanabw^(talk) 21:48, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I listed you as part of the contributing team on this, but I didn't link you as a co-nominator; do you want me to? (Me, Froggerlaura and Cariglduncan are...) Glad to do so if you want (we have two "support" votes already). Montanabw^(talk) 22:44, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

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Lethal Force

Hello, Tigerboy. Could you take a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Lethal Force, please? The reviewer has identified some problem that you may want to respond there. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 08:55, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Please bare with me if my review takes awhile. I want to make sure that I don't miss anything. SL93 (talk) 22:37, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

NO problem, but remember this is a DYK nomination (and I didn't nominate it). It's not like I'm putting it up for GA! Love and peace. Tigerboy1966  22:40, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

True, but DYK rules say that everything needs to be verified. I would rather promote it as a work in progress, but others would not be so happy with me. SL93 (talk) 22:41, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to be picky, but the article has gone way beyond the standards usually expected of a DYK candidate. I'm a bit puzzled about what's going on here. Tigerboy1966  21:24, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

How so? Every article on the main page needs everything verified. That is all that I'm asking for. All articles should meet the core policy WP:V anyway. You can withdraw the DYK, but someone else could easily come along and raise concerns. SL93 (talk) 01:32, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Every part of the main page - DYK, featured articles, on this day, and in the news - have always needed to be completely verified. That has never changed so I'm not sure how anyone could think that I am asking way too much. I am actually only asking the minimum which is notability (already shown) and verifiability. SL93 (talk) 01:46, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Actually, no, SL93, the DYK standard is that everything in the HOOK must be verified. WP:V is desired, but not to the point of derailing a DYK if someone doesn't do a WP:POPE on every sentence. DYKs are new articles, not featured articles. It takes months to polish up an article to FA standard, DYKs have to be submitted within 5 days of creation. I'm going to go over there and explain things to you. Montanabw^(talk) 16:37, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Montanabw, I'm just doing what more experienced reviewers have been doing. SL93 (talk) 16:39, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Um no, SL93, I AM a "more experienced reviewer" and I always go to great lengths to be sure I understand the source material and don't do things as ridiculous as claim that a race is not verified as a maiden race when the report says right in the name of the race that it's a maiden race. I think you are seriously pissed off at someone who called you out for not doing adequate reviews and now you are taking it out on Tigerboy and those of us who are trying to step in here. Montanabw^(talk) 18:30, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you not know when to let discussions end? The issue has been solved and the article approved. SL93 (talk) 18:38, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

All articles should be verified no matter what stage the article is in per WP:V. SL93 (talk) 17:03, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

From WP:DYK - "Within policy – Articles for DYK should conform to the core policies of Verifiability, Living Person Biographies and Copyright. Nominations should be rejected if an inspection reveals that they are not based on reliable sources, violate WP:BLP, or have problems with the close paraphrasing or copyright violations of images and/or text.". SL93 (talk) 17:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

It appears you have passed the article. But note that Orlady and I both explained to you that much of what you complained about WAS sourced. Tigerboy was gracious enough to fix a couple more minor things. But the hook was sourced, the rest of the material met WP:V, even if not quite at the GA or FA standard. You may have understood the form without the spirit of the rule. Montanabw^(talk) 18:30, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Ignoring what was already referenced in Lethal Force, WP:V does not say that not everything needs to be verified and that there is a spirit behind the rule. It would be simple to add this to WP:V if that is truly the consensus - "There are some exceptions in spirit of this policy". It doesn't even need to say what those exceptions are. SL93 (talk) 18:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Hook is approved, I'm done here. Let the drama at DYK over their policies and guidelines continue elsewhere. Montanabw^(talk) 20:33, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Racecourse names in articles

Going through racehorse articles you've created, I noticed that sometimes you pipe the link to a course article (e.g. York Racecourse|York) and sometimes leave it as the full name. I haven't changed these as I'm not sure if you have a method, but if you haven't I reckon it would be better to definitively go one way or the other, what do you think. Yours, pedantically!! --Bcp67 (talk) 20:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for raising this. I think the unpiped version is more encyclopedic and I will try to favour it in future. It's just that sometimes the piped version gives a better flow, especially where more than one course is mentioned in a sentence. For instance "In the early part of 1889 he was beaten in races at York Racecourse, Doncaster Racecourse and Thirsk Racecourse" sounds a bit clumsy to me. Tigerboy1966  20:47, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, see what you mean there - go with the piped version if it makes the article better to read. Looking back, I tend to favour it myself in the sporadic occasion when I've created an article! --Bcp67 (talk) 20:51, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

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My recent edits

I'm sorry if my recent edits have been confusing: I made some minor changes to some templates that were intended to enable automatic categorization of articles. These changes were not intended as vandalism: the changes to these templates simply did not work as expected. Jarble (talk) 20:53, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

No problem, the world of templates is not my forte, I just saw a group of funny-looking edits and reverted them. Tigerboy1966  20:57, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

New article?

Noticed 2012 Florida Derby winner Take Charge Indy doesn't have an article. Interested? (or is someone else at WP Horse racing the guru of the fast start-class racehorse bio?) Another A.P. Indy son out of a race-winning Deputy Minister granddaughter. His recent win is the Alysheba stakes, [1] Another "injured Grade I winner makes comeback" story: ([2] and it appears they are pointing him to the Breeder's Cup Classic [3]. Be fun to have articles on the Classic contenders by the time of the race (early November) My own plate is a bit full as I have Paynter up for GA, but thought I'd toss it out there... interested or shall I post at WP horse racing? Montanabw^(talk) 21:06, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. If I haven't got an article up by Monday then please throw it open. My favoured source Racing Post sometimes misses out some NA races but they has TCI with a 13: 3-4-2 record, which tallies with equineline, so it's doable for me. It will depend on the "King George" result. Cirrus des Aigles and Trading Leather will need updating whatever happens, but a win for Hillstar or Novellist would mean a new article. If Red Cadeaux wins I'll be out of action for a while as the horse has run prominently in dozens of top races and is overdue for an article anyway. And there's the ongoing saga of St Nicholas Abbey and his broken pastern... Tigerboy1966  21:29, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Ruh-roh... I feared that poking my toe into WP Horse racing could become this sort of vortex! Let me know what happens! My own next "official" project is upgrading the horsey stuff on Homer Davenport, which is apt to become another WR Brown-type piece because the guy had a fascinating non-horse life as well as notability as a horse breeder. Montanabw^(talk) 17:58, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

"A lass as pokes her toe gets 'er ankle bit" (Old Lancashire Proverb). The short answer to your original question is "yes, I'm on it", see Take Charge Indy. Tigerboy1966  18:09, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, oh great one! (bows). He runs again on Sunday. Montanabw^(talk) 23:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, perfect timing. He suffered a leg fracture. Will need surgery. Montanabw^(talk) 19:06, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Pretty rotten week for our horses, St Nicholas Abbey, Take Charge Indy AND Oxbow.21:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC) Tigerboy1966  21:14, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, if we aren't jinxing them by doing their writeups, (grin) do you wanna do up Verrazano (horse)? He won the Haskell, (probably would have blown away Oxbow even if he hadn't been hurt) which is Grade I, and is, I think, almost undefeated other than his completely dismal performance in the Kentucky Derby. He's going to be the next big rival to Orb and Palace Malice in the Travers now that Oxbow is probably out. You know, what struck me was the same jockey was on Take Charge Indy and Oxbow, possibly saved the life of the one and the career of the other by acting quickly to get them out of trouble, but Oxbow's trainer first said the jockey "protected" Oxbow, then whined that he "overreacted." What do you think? Montanabw^(talk) 20:03, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Verrazano looks a v. promising article subject: I already had his drf page saved to favourites. The Racing Post practically built an altar after his Haskell win, getting the words "spectacular", "romp", "commanding", "slammed" and "cruised" into the first two paragraphs,[4] and rating the performance better than Novellist's King George win. As for Oxbow: Stevens was right Lukas was wrong: that simple. The whole injury business is very troubling, especially after last year when all three triple crown winners were finished as racehorses by mid-June. A lot of very fast, very fragile horses are going to stud. Tigerboy1966  21:44, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

For some reason, WP has blacklisted Horse Racing Nation as a web site, but I was amused by their headline: "Verrazono wins, hyperbole erupts." LOL! For that reason among others, Palace Malice now simply MUST be my pick in the Travers! (presuming Oxbow doesn't run, and I bet he won't) But here is what I find really interesting: Both Verrazano and Palace Malice are only now coming into their own. It's been a long argument in the USA that we run horses too young. What do you think? Does our racing of 2-year olds and early spring Triple Crown series lead to value early maturing but fragile horses that break down young over the better animals with more staying power? And yes, I'm afraid that Lukas was initially gracious with his return to the spotlight, but now he's reverting to being a jackass as usual... sigh... May have to go buy more popcorn. Will be interesting to see what horse Stevens winds up riding in the Breeder's Cup Classic (which is the one race he's never won, so you know he has to want it bad...) Ah, who needs reality TV shows when you have horses involved? Montanabw^(talk) 23:55, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything wrong with running TB horses hard in their early careers, but, especially in the USA, people aren't breeding the horses to cope. Look at the pedigrees of the TC contenders and you keep seeing names like Mr P (sprinter), Danzig (unsound), Storm Cat (peaked at 2) and many similar types. Unfortunately, the US racing program actively discourages stamina: the Belmont is the only Grade I dirt race run at a distance beyond 10 furlongs. The irony is that Sadler's Wells and Sunday Silence, the two best sires of sound, stamina-endowed horses in the last quarter of a century were both American-bred. As for the BC Classic, I'm just hoping they let Wise Dan take his chance. Verrazano should be up tomorrow. Tigerboy1966  20:58, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Ah, Sunday Silence! What a good memory; I picked him out of the post parade to win the 1989 Derby while watching a simulcast of the race an a break during the live meet that accompanies the Miles City Bucking Horse Sale (the sale is later, but that year there definitely was racing on Derby week, Montana board of horse racing likes to jack with the racing dates...). Oh, the bragging rights one has with public vindication and a winning ticket! LOL! Montanabw^(talk) 23:44, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Saw your inbreeding analysis on Verrazano. Any way to do that for Oxbow with a referenced source? (Oxbow is FA, so we have to cite, I have a link to pedigree stuff in a news article if needed...) Montanabw^(talk) 18:49, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Oxbow isn't closely inbred by Tb standards. Northern Dancer appears once in the fourth and twice in the fifth generations of his pedigree, but compared to say, the positively Hapsburgian Big Brown it's hardly notable.  Tigerboy1966  21:12, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

LOL on the Hapsburgs! (I always use this one for the cringe factor. Even the portrait artists would only do so much!) Yes, and that relatively little inbreeding is what I have sourced and what I'd kind of like to note on the Oxbow (and Paynter) articles. But you know how to word it properly and I don't do so well. These Awesome Again x daughters of Cee's Song horses are surprisingly durable horses compared to a lot ofUS Thoroughbreds, wouldn't you say? Awesome Again is really starting to impress me as a sire, some of his other stuff out there is doing quite well too... Montanabw^(talk) 22:37, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Good news article on your fellow:

This was real interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owQSSg3t2UY&feature=c4-overview&list=UUNxbq2vWbmXQeyZPGYTnT6Q Having followed the saga of Barbaro, it's interesting to see how much they learned from his case and the hope this gives St. Nicholas Abbey... I picked up that they are consulting with New Bolton and the Doc who treated Barbaro as well... Montanabw^(talk) 18:37, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I was filling up just watching that. When the colic struck last week I honestly thought that it was time to let him go. He still looks v sorry for himself and has lot a ton of weight, but he's obviously a good patient and it looks promising. Did you see those x-rays? It was like "Gentlemen, we can rebuild him": the level of expertise is just jaw-dropping. Tigerboy1966  21:32, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

No kidding. And that's about what the vet bill is going to be, too! It amazes me what they can do with these horses nowadays. However, on a similar note, they saved Paynter (horse) with abdominal surgery and rapid intervention when he foundered, and he has returned to racing (no broken leg, though!) so they've clearly gotten good at avoiding the complications of a broken leg that did in Barbaro - (remember, they fixed his broken leg, it was the laminitis that got him). I find it interesting that St. Nich isn't in a sling; wonder if the pin and the cast will make it unnecessary or what?? Montanabw^(talk) 18:47, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not a veterinary expert, but I would guess that keeping the horse on the move, even in a limited way, might reduce the risk of laminitis. Tigerboy1966  21:15, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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International race

By American standards: the Arlington Million - quite an interesting field today. Chicago's less-than 15 minutes of horse racing fame. Montanabw^(talk) 15:16, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

If Little Mike wins it will definitely mean a new article: he is well overdue. I will be err "rooting" (getting to grips with AmE) for Mull of Killough who is a lovely old horse. The Million was briefly the biggest race in the world: I did Tolomeo (horse) a few days ago and have Teleprompter (horse) in my sights. I have recently picked up some old Timeform annuals on ebay so I am on an 80's tear at the moment. Tigerboy1966  16:02, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

The 80s were fun. I bracketed the decade by picking the Kentucky Derby winners in 80 and 81 and again in 88 and 89. Of course, I'm a sucker for picking fillies and woman jockeys - mostly because I want to support the girls, so I suppose I can only claim genius picks for the other two... heh. And in the Million, for that reason I have to put my money (well, I'm not betting money, but if I were ...) on Rosie. (Really, it's completely illogical for grown men to be jockeys at all, they have to abuse themselves so much to stay light, while lots of women are kind of short and can keep the weight off much easier... at least until they are about 35 or so...) Montanabw^(talk) 18:52, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Watching the racing today on Channel 4 today I had to listen to a commentator describing one of the female riders as "a Victoria Beckham lookalike, whilst a woman who had won a 1000km endurance race in Mongolia was subjected to questions about the dress she was wearing. I'm not making this up! Tigerboy1966  19:34, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

I want to tell these commentators, "Like who cares? When you have your face covered in mud and you come in first, the horse doesn't care what you look like!?" But of course, we could also pander to the masses and update the bio on Chantal Sutherland with her Vanity Fair photo shoot (google that... =:-O ) Montanabw^(talk) 22:09, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, the Million ran more like bumper cars than a horse race, but at least no one hurt, it appears. Of interest to you was the earlier race for mares, won handily by the mare Dank, who I think is from the UK. You may want to peek at her... Montanabw^(talk) 05:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Dank is a good filly with an ugly name. I just wish Michael Stoute had resisted the temptation to run her on Lasix. Tigerboy1966  21:37, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

If you don't mind me joining in the conversation, a few thoughts on the above....Progressive horse, Dank - saw her win at Ascot last summer. A UK winner at Arlington, and a US winner at Deauville today too courtesy of No Nay Never. Channel 4 Racing - still some way off the joining the rest of us in the 2010s really. Teleprompter was another great favourite of mine, ran in the historic colours of Lord Derby and held the world earnings record for a gelding at one time, I believe. --Bcp67 (talk) 18:45, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

At least C4 commentators have a grasp of geography. I've just watched the Million on Youtube and the local commentator informed us that the "European" horse had been disqualified as the word "The Apache (SAF)" appeared on the screen. Ouch! Tigerboy1966  21:37, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

(wincing) But then add the South American horse Indy Point, and this headline below becomes even worse: (web site blacklisted by wiki, so not linked directly) www (dot) horseracingnation (dot) com/news/European_Runners_Plan_Assault_on_Little_Mike_123. Montanabw^(talk) 18:50, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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Game On Dude needs your magic. Some florid sportswriter prose. Montanabw^(talk) 20:53, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, the infobox looks OK, but after that... Will see what I can do. Tigerboy1966  07:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Your fella

Hope he does better, sounds scary: http://www.drf.com/news/st-nicholas-abbey-suffers-setback-recovery Montanabw^(talk) 19:56, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks.I saw the story at Racing Post. Just hoping for the best now. At least we can be absolutely certain that he is getting the best care possible and will be given every chance to make it. Tigerboy1966  21:29, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

They learned a lot from Barbaro. I hear Take Charge Indy is doing fine. Montanabw^(talk) 23:21, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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Ideas

Not sure if you "need" new article ideas, but in the USA we have a couple of tough mares/fillies heading for a showdown: Princess of Sylmar, ([5]) winner of the Kentucky Oaks and 4th nationally in money won, (ahead of Palace Malice) who is likely to go up against Royal Delta this fall. Sort of this year's equivalent of a matchup between Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta -- Except that those two never met, I don't think(?) while Princess and Royal Delta just might. Anyway, I think the Princess needs an article. Might be fun. Montanabw^(talk) 22:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Well I bought some old Timeform annuals on ebay recently so I have no shortage of ideas for articles: I'm on a sort of mid-to-late 1980's pig-out at the moment. Princess of Sylmar does seem to be the big three-year-old filly in the US although she hasn't received much coverage over here as the Racing Post to have a massive crush on Dreaming of Julia. Three Grade I wins definitely passes the notability threshold. I must confess that her sire and damsire are completely unknown to me, which should make writing the article more interesting. I'll get around to her on Sunday at the latest. Tigerboy1966  00:21, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Article under way at at User:Tigerboy1966/sandbox9. I will do the "skeleton" from Racing Post and Equibase and then use Bloodhorse to put some flesh on the bones. That sounds slightly Frankensteiny, but it's my preferred method. Tigerboy1966  18:02, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Frankenstein works for me. I've come to love the beauty of a sandbox. BTW, Blood horse has two good stories on the Princess, she's a feel-good tale of the little folks triumphing... [6] and [7] . As for [8] you go back a little and there's blueblood; she's by an AP Indy son out of a Storm Cat granddaughter... Montanabw^(talk) 18:04, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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Arlington

Thinking that the success of the offspring of Kitten's Joy at Arlington this past weekend (three winners, including the Arlington Million) may mean someone should expand his article, which is a bit out of date. I'm not going to be the person to do it, but if you're interested, I'd help out some. Montanabw^(talk) 00:06, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

It's been a horrible article for ages. I deleted a bunch of copyvio stuff from it back in my early days on WP. I have gone back and added categories and taken out some peacock nonsense like "a dominant force in the world of world racing" bleh!. He is a VERY promising young stallion, but let's not get carried away.18:43, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

We should do up a humor page called "horses alleged to walk on water", sort of like my User:Montanabw/List of horse breeds promoters claim "truly primitive bred pure since Adam and Eve" page. LOL! I do like the fun people are having with naming his offspring, though, my favorite name at the moment being a three-year-old named Fear the Kitten. the North American stallion that is interesting to me is Awesome Again. We might also want to look into an article on Cee's Song, dam and granddam of champions (Tiznow, etc...) lots of very good full siblings from her cross with Cee's Tizzy. Montanabw^(talk) 19:13, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

re Kitten's Joy, I'm just finishing off at article on his damsire Lear Fan. Tigerboy1966  21:19, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Princess of Sylmar

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Just a quick message to inform that I have nominated two articles,Princess of Sylmar & Park Appeal which you have recently created for DYK. Feel free to change/alter hooks if you can think of anything more suitable. Well done for creating so many excellent "horse biographies"! Finnegas (talk) 21:14, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

You will be delighted to know that prompted by your hook for "the wrong horse", I nominated Park Express for DYK. It has already been promoted & hopefully we will see it on the main page soon! Finnegas (talk) 19:56, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Want another one?

Overanalyze has been retired: [9], (looks like same press release both places) [10] He won the Arkansas Derby, has purse wins over $1 million, and we have redlinks on him in a couple other articles. Not a spectacular career, but if he passes notability for Arkansas Derby and a million bucks in winnings, here you go. Great name for a racehorse, amusing. more Montanabw^(talk) 19:26, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Park Express

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Arc contenders

Ok, thanks for letting me know. Looking forward to it even more after today. The majority of the main contenders already have articles as well.Edwarddutton (talk) 15:09, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

It's going to be an entertaining Breeder's Cup

Will Take Charge won the Pennsylvania Derby, Wise Dan won the Woodbine, Game On Dude, now nicknamed "GOD" or "G.O.D." of course won the Pacific Classic. I think Wise Dan runs in the turf mile, but the other two will be in the Classic. USA Horse of the Year will be a hot competition too. After an interesting summer, it's shaping up to be a very fun fall. Fillies/Mares will also have many hot contenders, at least if the Princess and Royal Delta both show up to challenge Beholder. Montanabw^(talk) 16:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Things are certainly warming up nicely. Wise Dan is probably the best horse in North America, but I can't see them giving him another HOY award if he just sticks to turf miling, a discipline in which he has absolutely nothing left to prove. If there's a European to watch out for in the BC its Declaration of War who has a pedigree that makes you wonder why they bother running him in Europe a it's all DIRT + SPEED. He could be the one to upset The Dude (much better nickname than GOD). Tigerboy1966  22:37, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

LOL, I agree with you per the Dude, but we are old! Do you think they will bring "DOW" to the US for the BC? Per Wise Dan, question: Do you think they are over-specializing race horses these days? Montanabw^(talk) 04:45, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Over-specialisation has certainly done the BC no favours, by diluting the quality of individual race. A horse like Elusive Kate has a choice of at least four races, and seven if you count the sprints. And exactly what is the BC Marathon for? Apart from the Belmont, a mile and a half on dirt is an obsolete event. Over-specialisation is not a problem in Australia, where a race like the Underwood Stakes attracts sprinters, milers, middle-distance runner and out-and-out stayers. In Europe it's used a an excuse for beaten horses. Aidan O'Brien even uses it as an excuse for winners: whenever one of his horses wins a middle distance race he's quickly on the mic with "Listen, this horse has so much speed, he's really a miler". AO'B would sell his teeth for a BC Classic winner, having had several embarrassing flops and two near misses with Giant's Causeway and Henrythenavigator. If he thinks DOW has any chance, he'll be there. Disappointing news below: Bcp67 used to keep all the individual (Euro) race pages up to date. Tigerboy1966  08:18, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

If they want to run more mile and a half races, they should do that with Arabians; They are going to add an Arabian horse race to the Breeder's Cup card on the first day. (I think Sheikh Mohammed put up the money.) This could go if someone with a spine took it over -- Some genius thought that bettors don't like long races (I have no clue, what's your take? I mean, no one is going to shorten the Kentucky Derby, and Quarter Horses aren't going to replace Thoroughbreds any time soon...though they do have some big purse races over here... ) and so most Arabs run at a mile over here -- and in doing so, average 8 seconds slower than Thoroughbreds, and hence making them look like a joke. They need to do way longer races, just like Quarter Horses do way shorter races. In the countries where they are raced more regularly, races of up to 2-1/2 miles used to be common. But arrgh. No one here wants to do anything interesting or creative with horses, they treat them like they're something boring that has to be jazzed up with things like rock concerts in the infield... does the UK have similar problems? Bummer about Bcp67. Montanabw^(talk) 20:53, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Back in the good old days, before our nations were mistakenly divided after some silly squabbles over taxes and tea, a two mile race was considered a sprint. The four-mile Beacon course at Newmarket only came into being because some speed-obsessed owners and breeders objected to the original eight-mile Long Course. Anyone who thinks that Long-Distance racing can't appeal to the public should take a look at the UK, where National Hunt racing is at least a popular as flat racing. Races are of between 2 and 4 miles and typically pit Thoroughbreds against Selle Francais, AQPS and half-breds. Tigerboy1966  17:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

LOL. Do the non-Thoroughbreds beat the TBs on any sort of regular basis? I ask because of the talk that the TB gene pool is too small and would benefit, in particular, from a new infusion of Arabian or Anglo-Arab breeding. Thoughts? Montanabw^(talk) 20:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Stanerra

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The Princess reigns

I see you already noted that Princess of Sylmar just beat Royal Delta. [11] Trying to find online video, sounds like it was quite a races and the two of them were about 7 lengths ahead of the rest of the field. Montanabw^(talk) 20:15, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Found a clip at NYRA Belmont site. Replays up within about a half-hour of the conclusion of the race. click "race replays" Am I kind of being paranoid to not want to sign up for a login required site with live streaming? (Worry about getting my email inbox spammed forever...) Montanabw^(talk) 20:31, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

The Princess won well enough and is an absolutely smashing filly, but Mike Smith was very gentle with RD [12] and I wouldn't be too confident that the result will be repeated in the Ladies' Classic. Unfortunately the top British 3yo filly Sky Lantern won't be coming to America this year: she's off to Hong Kong instead. Tigerboy1966  20:40, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

True, but he may have known when he was beat and saved her to fight another day. The question will be if they run Royal Delta against the boys in the Classic. I think the connections of the Prinesss aren't going to ship her west for the Breeder's Cup at all. (though today might change their minds). Mucho Macho Man beat Paynter today in California, and with the stuff happening at Belmont Park (who is Ron the Greek, anyway? And how dare he beat Palace Malice? But boy did Orb lay an egg, dead last...WTF?), going to be pretty wide open for the boys in the Classic, and Eclipse for 3yos will probably be decided there. Also, Beholder won the Zenyatta Stakes today at Santa Anita, [13] so there will be yet another filly waiting for a showdown against Royal Delta. Yummy fall shaping up! Montanabw^(talk) 03:46, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Did you just hear a popping sound? That was Wise Dan's bubble bursting. Best news of the autumn as he will now HAVE to go for the Classic to have any chance of repeating as HOY. The Princess may be on course to follow Rachel Alexandra, Mineshaft and Point Given as a HOY who doesn't run in the BC in their championship season. Anyway, it's the Arc tomorrow in which I will be shouting for Al Kazeem as the only British entry. Tigerboy1966  23:06, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

They both will have to deal with the Dude (or GOD, whichever you prefer). If he wins the Classic, he has HOY. I'm kind of rooting for the California horses, and the old guys that will be riding them. Although I guess Johnny V usually is on Wise Dan, so that's another of the older guys too. Unless Rosie is riding, in which case I gotta root for that girl, even if she's on a mule! LOL! BTW, you GOTTA go check out the links I posted at Talk:Will Take Charge. The investigation was very thorough, the jockey cleared of any wrongdoing, the charge was "wholly unsubstantiated," and one of the news articles (I think the Times-Union one) really did a hatchet job on the sore loser whining trainer of Moreno -- you can't make this stuff up! (hint, word search for "voodoo") You really must at least skim the report - the guy must have been drunk when he filed it, that or functionally illiterate. Even Moreno's jockey backed Saez 100%. Enjoy the Arc! Montanabw^(talk) 04:49, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your message

Thank you for the message on my talk page - all fine with me, no problems here, just stopped editing at the start of September and to be honest not really missing it - I expect I'll pick it up again at some point but no real idea when at present. Keep up the excellent work on the horses! --Bcp67 (talk) 15:21, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Done a couple of bits of updates today and will probably get back into doing a few more in the days ahead. --Bcp67 (talk) 18:25, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Bernard van Cutsem

You're welcome. It would be fantastic to add a picture from the public domain, if at all possible. I wouldn't be surprised if he were a member of the House of Harcourt, but we would need to find a citation for it. By the way, does the book you're citing from say which college he went to at Cambridge? Would you consider scanning the pages and e-mailing them to me? (I would LOVE to read them, although I know this is a bit of work and you don't have to do that.) Btw, I also think the van Cutsem family may be worth creating a page for, if we can find sufficient citations. Thanks again for your interest.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:03, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Girls rock this year!

Treve! http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/81147/filly-treve-scores-in-breathtaking-arc-romp Montanabw^(talk) 18:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

and the race was live on free terrestrial TV in the UK!. I think the Cartier Horse of the Year award has now been put to bed. I can't see anything beating Moonlight Cloud for Cartier Champion Older Horse and Cartier Champion Sprinter and the Queen's filly Estimate (horse) has a shot at Cartier Champion Stayer. Definitely a year for the ladies. Tigerboy1966  19:53, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

"European" awards, so the British horses compete with those on the Continent for year end honors? Or does the UK also have a separate set of awards? Montanabw^(talk) 03:05, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

They are British-based, but are awarded for performance across Europe, and . They don't have quite the same clout as the Eclipse awards, being more of an end-of-year celebration, but they are highly-valued in Europe. Tigerboy1966  21:41, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

BTW, think we will see any of the UK/European horses at the Breeders' Cup? Montanabw^(talk) 21:02, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Certainly hope so, although indications are that the challenge might not be particularly strong. We'll know better after the big Ascot meeting on 19 October. Tigerboy1966  21:41, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I've been curious about the impact of jet lag on horses, seems not a lot of time between the 19th and Nov 1...? Also wonder about climate differential; even USA east coasters whine about shipping west. I think it may not be the distance so much as how much drier California (and the US West generally) is than points farther east... THoughts? Montanabw^(talk) 20:10, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for your message - always happy to have any help with updating results, and I'll go through them and check links and add in refs etc. It gets easier during the winter anyway as the big jump races are virtually all at weekends only, and obviously not so many of them as there are European pattern races. --Bcp67 (talk) 18:39, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

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I followed up my previous reply with some suggested phrasing that you are free to copy and paste if you like it. Montanabw^(talk) 15:02, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lorenzaccio (horse)

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DYK for Park Appeal

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To-Agori-Mou

Have nominated the article for DYK? based on Starkey's V-sign at Ascot - great rivalry between those two - are you doing a Kings Lake article too? --Bcp67 (talk) 10:37, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Working on Kings Lake now, finished article on their mutual nemesis Northjet yesterday. Recently got the Timeform annuals for 1980 and 1981. Should be working up articles of those great fillies Madam Gay and Mrs Penny soon. Tigerboy1966  13:42, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

All just a bit before my time as an active racegoer although by 1981 I was watching a fair bit of racing on tv - I was watching on ITV when Piggott had his stalls accident at Epsom, hence the edit to the Fairy Footsteps article the other day. I'll have a look through Kings Lake when it's done. --Bcp67 (talk) 15:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

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The showdown is set

It probably wasn't actually a surprise, but the Princess is confirmed for the Breeders' Cup against Royal Delta. Oh yeah! (rubbing hands...) And we cannot underestimate Beholder (horse) who is running on her home track, hot off of two wins. (Won the Grade I Zenyatta Stakes and Breeders Cup Juvenile Fillies in 2012, second in the Oaks, also needs an article, hint, hint...) I think I'm almost looking forward to this race more than the Classic. And by the way, if you do an article on Beholder, I'll dab Beholder and fight to keep it there! LOL! Montanabw^(talk) 01:38, 20 October 2013 (UTC) (Oh, BTW, should I bet a trifecta box? i can't decide! LOL!)

No use asking me about Trifecta: I gave up betting when I realised that I tended to back the horse I wanted to win, rather than the horse that should win, which is a sure-fire way to empty your wallet. Beholder is definitely notable, with 4 G1 wins and an Eclipse award. I can't promise anything as I am having some health issues atm and may need to spend some time in hospital. On the other hand they might just give me a shed-load of antibiotics and tell me to stay home for a week, which would be fine by me. Tigerboy1966  06:21, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

"Shed" load? Hmmm. IN the USA, we change one of those vowels. Get well soon, OK?? Montanabw^(talk) 00:46, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Hope you are feeling OK, haven't seen you here for a couple of days, hope you ducked a hospital stay! Well, Breeders' Cup pre entries in! [14] Some Euros going to show, notably Declaration of War (horse) and Planteur (hmm, another redlink) in the Classic. Should the Dude be worried? Also, should The Fugue take on the boys in the Turf or stick to fighting it out with the girls (she entered both)? I am actually the most excited about the Distaff, where we will have the showdown of the aristocracy between Royal Delta and The Princess! Montanabw^(talk) 17:00, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

That's the biggest gap in editing I've had for about 2 years. Explanantion in email. I have really fancied DoW for the classic for ages and I think he is a very strong contender. The Dude does best when he's able to boss a race and set a "sensible" pace, but the classic is likely to be run at a scorching pace from the start. The others to look out for would be the Richard Hannon runner (Toronado (racehorse) or Olympic Glory) in the Mile and Dank (horse) in the F&M Turf. Tigerboy1966  19:04, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Hope all is well. Dank was quite impressive in the Beverly D in Chicago. She's interesting. Think it was the lasix? Has a European horse won the Classic without prior US races? Montanabw^(talk) 03:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Both of Europe's classic winners, Arcangues and Raven's Pass won on their US/dirt debut: DoW has won on synthetic in Europe. Unlike some British handlers, Dank's trainer, Michael Stoute is never squeamish about running his horses on meds in the US, adopting a "When in Rome..." approach. Starting to think that Close Hatches could spring an upset in the Ladies', especially if RD and Beholder get into a duel, but that will probably be past my "recovering invalid" bedtime. Watch out for the Euros in the Juvenile Turf races: I do like the look of Outstrip. Tigerboy1966  20:55, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, off to the races (heh, heh)

Will be watching the Breeders' Cup via live simulcast as soon as the races start tomorrow (morning in the USA). Here's hoping I win some money, Any hot tips on the Euros on the turf? (grin). Montanabw^(talk) 01:16, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 October newsletter

The WikiCup is over for another year! Our champion, for the second year running, is Cwmhiraeth (submissions). Our final nine were as follows:

1. Cwmhiraeth (submissions)
2. Hawkeye7 (submissions)
3. Sasata (submissions)
4. Sturmvogel_66 (submissions)
5. Casliber (submissions)
6. Adam Cuerden (submissions)
7. Miyagawa (submissions)
8. Piotrus (submissions)
9. Ealdgyth (submissions)

All those who reached the final win prizes, and prizes will also be going to the following participants:

• Casliber (submissions) wins the FA prize, for four featured articles in round 4, worth 400 points.
• Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) wins the GA prize, for 20 good articles in round 3, worth 600 points.
• Another Believer (submissions) wins the FL prize, for four featured lists in round 2, worth 180 points.
• Adam Cuerden (submissions) wins the FP prize, for 23 featured pictures in round 5, worth 805 point.
• Sven Manguard (submissions) wins the FPo prize, for 2 featured portals in round 3, worth 70 points.
• Hawkeye7 (submissions) wins the topic prize, for a 23-article featured topic in round 5, worth 230 points.
• Cwmhiraeth (submissions) wins the DYK prize, for 79 did you know articles in round 5, worth 570 points.
• ThaddeusB (submissions) wins the ITN prize, for 23 in the news articles in round 4, worth 270 points.
• Ed! (submissions) wins the GAR prize, for 24 good article reviews in round 1, worth 96 points.
• The judges are awarding the Oddball Barnstar to The C of E (submissions), for some curious contributions in earlier rounds.
• Finally, the judges are awarding Cwmhiraeth (submissions) the Geography Barnstar for her work on sea, now a featured article. This top-importance article was the highest-scoring this year; when it was promoted to FA status, Cwmhiraeth could claim 720 points.

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BC Notes

Friday

London Bridge wins Marathon, first blood to Britain. Not really a Group horse in Europe. No article needed yet.

JTurf: Outstrip worth an article if he wins. 2-0 to Britain Outstrip article on the way.DONE

Dirt Mile: Verrazano engaged. Alpha worth an article if he wins. Goldencents wins, possible article, but not priority (quite fancied him for the Kentucky Derby back in spring)

JTurf fillies: Chrisellium article if she wins. Vorda article anyway. And a third for the Brits Chriselliam article on the way.DONE

Ladies': Princess of Sylmar and Royal Delta engaged. Beholder or Close Hatches will need article if they win. Beholder wins, article to follow. Tigerboy1966  21:25, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

And I bet on both London Bridge and Beholder! YEAH!!! Montanabw^(talk) 03:20, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

I see you are sandboxing Beholder. For the DYK, did you know ... she is the only horse to ever win both the juvenile fillies and the distaff? Montanabw^(talk) 17:15, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

That is a pretty startling stat. But looking at the records, you are absolutely right, although there have been several near misses. Must get on with Beholder now. Tigerboy1966  17:26, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Saturday

Juvenile Fillies 7.05: at least 4 G1 winners involved. A win for Artemis Agrotera, Sweet Reason, She's a Tiger or Secret Compass could trigger an article. Ria Antonia on a DQ. No article needed yet

F&M Turf 7.43: win for Dank or Romantica will trigger article. Dank wins, 4 wins for Britain article to follow. DONE

F&M Sprint 8.21: Groupie Doll gets article if she repeats. Groupie Doll wins

Turf Sprint 9.05: erm Mizdirection gets article if he repeats. Mizdirection wins. DONE and sorry for calling her a "he"

Juvenile 9.43: Havana or Bond Holder could be viable. New Years Day wins, no article needed yet

Turf 10.22: The Fugue and Magician involved. Little Mike and Point of Entry overdue. Magician win one for Ireland. Fifth win for Europe.

Sprint 11.01: Trinniberg if he repeats. Secret Circle win, no article needed.

Mile 11.34: Wise Dan and Olympic Glory involved. Silver Max and Obviously if they win. Wise Dan wins, OG nowhere

Classic 12.35: Paynter, Game On Dude, Palace Malice, Declaration of War, Fort Larned, Mucho Macho Man, Will Take Charge involved.

If you want to go on a mission from God, the Mucho Macho Man article totally sucks and needs much help. At the very least, a pedigree. And Mizdirection is a she. I won $$ on Dank and MMM (also some place/show bets, only was behind $2 by the end of the day, yay me!) Nice job on Beholder! I'm putting together Kathy Ritvo as we speak. Montanabw^(talk) 06:23, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

MMM looks like a sandbox draft and has been that way for ages. At least it provides a framework. I've started converting it into prose. There must be a story behind that foaling date, 15 June! If I was betting I would have done nicely on the Classic as I would have gone to the betting exchanges and laid the Dude. I was sure he couldn't win as the race would not be run to suit him. Tigerboy1966  09:46, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

MMM is pretty close to a 5x expansion, I wonder if there is a DYK in the fact that he was named after a Village People song?  Tigerboy1966  16:49, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

LOL! If you think you can get the 5x expansion nod (I just added a bit too), I'm all for it! PERFECT DYK hook! (I have Kathy Ritvo nommed at DYK now, should you need a qpq and no one else has gotten to it yet...) Nice job tuning it up, by the way. Montanabw^(talk) 20:03, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for To-Agori-Mou

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Hmmm

Noticed we have an editor on MMM who is either the owner of the horse or someone pretending to be the owner of the horse. They removed some cited material and inserted some promotional material. I reverted but kept the correction to the horse's current ownership. I think it wise to be careful with this new editor, whoever they are, as I think they are acting in good faith and COULD be the horse's connections... (In a post race interview, Patti Reeves said something about setting up MMM's facebook page, so it might really be her). Anyway, I want to be careful not to bite. Montanabw^(talk) 21:06, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry too much. When a horse gets suddenly famous beyond the racing world, the article will attract a lot of attention from enthusiastic and well-meaning fans, some of whom may have a close link with the horse. I should think it will blow over with no long-term issues (the exception is of course Secretariat, whose vaguely creepy acolytes never give up and never compromise). btw I caught the big race of Horse Racing Radio Network, which is a great alternative when you can't get live TV coverage, and the callers tend to focus on telling you what's happening rather than attempting to add "color". Tigerboy1966  21:46, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Add color? never! LOL! Montanabw^(talk) 22:25, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Did the DYK for you

I nominated Beholder for DYK for you, hope the hook is OK. Montanabw^(talk) 04:50, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I can only do about an hour a day on WP atm. Tigerboy1966  08:26, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Hope things start looking up for you. I will see if we can claim a 5x expansion on MMM and if so, will nom that also. Montanabw^(talk) 19:26, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again. 3 days on Groupie Doll and it's nowhere near finished... and this year's Melbourne Cup was just something that happened to other people. However, it's the eccentricities/obsessions that keep you going. Tigerboy1966  22:20, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Check today's news, [15] Groupie Doll just sold for beaucoups bucks at Fastig-Tipton sale! Even higher price than Mizdirection. =:-O Montanabw^(talk) 03:48, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Also nommed MMM for DYK, easy 5x expansion, I crunched it. Montanabw^(talk) 04:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Mucho Macho Man

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I counted 144, actually...(?)

		The 100 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		For dedication to the cause of the magnificent Thoroughbred and your often-obscure labours! Well done!Montanabw(talk) 04:29, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I used to keep count of all my DYKs, but gave up on that a long time ago. I think I have only nominated about ten of them myself. Tigerboy1966  16:37, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Beholder (horse)

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More trouble! (grin)

Looks like both Flat Out and Goldencents need articles. FYI, Goldencents tweets as @TheGoldencents, LOL! Smart horse! Montanabw^(talk) 20:43, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Flat Out has been overdue for an article for over a year, and I'll get on to it. Goldencents can wait a bit. I'm biased against Twitter as about five years ago I told anyone who'd listen that it was a stupid idea and would be forgotten in six months. Tigerboy1966  07:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh well, at least you didn't invest your life savings in Myspace or Betamax, did you? Montanabw^(talk) 21:38, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

1983 Arc

Would you mind having a look at 12th place in your new article about the 1983 Arc? Ian Balding's a great man I'm sure but I doubt he'd be up to finishing 12th in a group one race himself!! I'd fix it myself but I don't have any source to draw on for this, none of my books date back that far, sorry. --Bcp67 (talk) 12:27, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorted it - had the idea of looking for the race on YouTube and Cauthen on Diamond Shoal was mentioned fairly early in commentary. Sorry to have bothered you. --Bcp67 (talk) 12:33, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for correction. If IB had been riding Diamond Shoal, it might have explained the colt's rather lacklustre performance: a few extra pounds on board! I've just done the 1979 Arc and will be doing the Derby for 1981, 1982 and 1983 over the weekend. Your oversight would be appreciated. Tigerboy1966  23:16, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

What amused me was that Balding's name appeared in the "horse" column instead of Diamond Shoal- I had a vision of him lolloping around Longchamp with all these horses around him, maybe wearing a sheepskin noseband! 1983 Derby done, always happy to flick through your articles and pick out any minor bits and pieces. Didn't realise that Mick Kinane rode the runner-up there, very early in his career. --Bcp67 (talk) 07:44, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

IB would probably have run the race on foot for a bet if there was a crate of champagne involved in the wager. Kinane was about 22 when he finished second in the Derby on a bloody great carthorse called Carlingford Castle, who, in a more enlightened age, would have been "cut" and won a Cheltenham Gold Cup. He (the horse) was a sort of 1980's version of Galileo Rock. They did try him over hurdles on the gallops (when still entire and trained by Henry Cecil) but he refused point blank to co-operate, threw his jockey, and galloped off across Newmarket Heath. He ended up with the dreaded Timeform squiggle "§" Tigerboy1966  19:57, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, would you mind if I nominated One In A Million (horse) for DYK, which would hopefully result in it appearing on the main page? Thanks, Matty.007 11:43, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Feel free. It's v polite of you to ask.  Tigerboy1966  12:40, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. The nomination is at Template:Did you know nominations/One In A Million (horse). Please can you add a reference after the sentence about 116p, as DYK needs a citation directly after the statement, and the majority of the sources are offline. (I like your signature, nice colours!) Thanks, Matty.007 12:51, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

While I'm at it, would you mind me nominating Scintillate (horse) please? Thanks, Matty.007 12:55, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I usually get a lot of online sources from Google News, but that hasn't been working properly of late. Tigerboy1966  13:00, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again, nominated here. Matty.007 14:27, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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The edit changed the infobox from "thoroughbred racechorse" to "sport horse" which is incorrect, so I reverted. Tigerboy1966  17:11, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

 Fixed - see the replies on my talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 17:50, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

FYI, thanks to the editor who moved around all the infoboxes when nothing was broken, we have a bit of confusion. I asked that infobox thoroughbred racehorse be renamed infobox racehorse (so we can use it with Standardbreds or whatever else) redirect infobox sport horse to infobox named horse (which fits, as a sport horse is generally one who competes in the FIE/Olympic disciplines) and hopefully get the transclusions fixed. Sigh...Montanabw^(talk) 21:13, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Elmaamul

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DYK for Scintillate (horse)

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DYK for Lord Kanaloa

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DYK: Tap On Wood

Hello, Tigerboy. Season's greetings! I thought I should let you know that another good wikipage by you is nominated for DYK. Once again, thanks for the nice article. Happy typing. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 19:01, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Tigerboy. Here's another nom: Template:Did you know nominations/Son of Love. Thanks. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 09:37, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for One in a Million (horse)

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That got few with surprisingly few issues. My 50th! Best, Matty.007 17:38, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Work for Tigerboy? Or someone?

Debating if there is a need for an article on Louisiana Derby winner Pants On Fire (horse). I guess the LA Derby is a grade II, but the horse is still racing. Not doing great, but multiple graded stakes wins and over $1 million in purse winnings at the end of 2013. Your call, he's mentioned in several articles (I noticed this because I am working on Rosie Napravnik right now.) Thoughts? Montanabw^(talk) 00:38, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks I'll take a look. I see the horse has picked up a couple more Graded Stakes this season and he ran in the Japan Cup Dirt. I'm never sure about whether it should be "on" or "On" in names like this. Well done on the Ritvo GA. Tigerboy1966  07:15, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Looks like a capital O in Equibase: [16]. Ritvo was fun, sounds like a terrific person, wish we could have found a better photo, awfully hard to find! BTW, I'm going to put up Mucho Macho Man for GA pretty soon, I just signed up for the wikicup, aside from horses the jockey articles will be low-hanging fruit for that as well. But I do better at cleanup than creation, as a rule. Montanabw^(talk) 07:40, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Eclipse award nominations out; {http://www.drf.com/news/2013-eclipse-awards-finalists] not many surprises. Who are we missing articles on? (Other than the two-year-olds, which I'm not in a rush about yet...) Montanabw^(talk) 23:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the shout. No US 2yos have articles yet. In all the other catgories the likely winners are covered except Male Sprint and Steeplechaser, Tigerboy1966  08:25, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Given how many of the twos will be "one and done," I understand - New Year's Day has already been "retired" for good. Also, there's no [{Shanghai Bobby]] standout this year so far, but several promising colts for next year's Derby, should be a deep field. Montanabw^(talk) 17:08, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

There was one thing I disagreed with: Beholder should have been given a HOY nom. Tigerboy1966  19:50, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

It was all about Wise Dan, but you have a good point. Montanabw^(talk) 03:30, 20 January 2014 (UTC)