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Happy editing! Marquardtika (talk) 15:10, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sonia Odisho moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Sonia Odisho. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

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September 2024

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. When you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, such as at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/WikiProject Aramea, (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either:

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Thank you. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:33, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know, in the future I will be sure to sign any further replies I make to the discussion Surayeproject3 (talk) 18:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP: WikiProject Assyria

Just a note to say I am not ignoring your Teahouse request for help with QA at WP: WikiProject Assyria. But in delving into the Project in order to give you advice, I am encountering a number of unexpected issues of article assessment and categorisation which I've not been able to quickly understand or to fix (it's been a few years since I worked closely within a WikiProject, so I'm a bit rusty!)

Please bear with me. If I can't do it tonight, I may have to leave it a few days as I'm about to go away. I might also post my reply to you here rather than at the Teahouse so that you've got it to refer to and we can continue any discussion for as long as you need. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nick Moyes Thanks for your message, I really appreciate the help! Take as much time as you need to help, there's no rush to have the articles assessed so I'm looking forward to continuing to work with you to assess the articles when you get back! Surayeproject3 (talk) 20:32, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your understanding. To tide you over, I'm going to paste below a standard reply I give to people asking at the Teahouse about improving articles.

But I am also going to suggest you make two changes to your personal Preferences These will show article statuses to you automatically.

Firstly, and most importantly, go to Preferences>Gadgets>Appearance and select (tick) " Display an assessment of an article's quality in its page header" Follow the documentation link you'll see there to understand what this does and how it automatically shows the Quality Assessment of an article just below its title which most users don't see.
Secondly, just above, in the Browsing section of Prferences, select "Navigation popups: article previews and editing functions pop up when hovering over links" This tool replaces the standard hover-on-a-link action by presenting you with a lot more information about an article. Not everyone likes it, but I find it good to quickly get ots of information on an article or a user.

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WIKIPROJECTS

Q: Would it be helpful to use my time to improve established articles, or should I use my time on improving stubs instead?

Answer: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yours is an incredibly sensible question, that goes right to the heart of why we all like to help build this encyclopaedia, and how we both use and value our time contribution.

... my gut reaction is to suggest that you work to improve the shorter articles deemed to be of greatest importance. You didn't say what your subject interests are, but there is an extremely good way to find articles that need improving on topics that you're interested in. Simply find a page on a subject of interest, then go to its talk pages and follow links to the relevant WikiProjects. Most of these Projects have Quality Assessment tables - multicoloured things that I ignored as too complicated for years, but then discovered they are a great way of finding important topics that need improving. Every article that has been tagged as falling under that topic is likely to have been given an 'Importance' rating and a 'Quality' rating from Stub to Featured Article. See a live example below: This one comes my pet area: WP:WikiProject Mountains of the Alps:

Mountains of the Alps articles by quality and importance
Quality	Importance
Quality	Top	High	Mid	Low	NA	???	Total
GA	1	1					2
B	7	3	3	1			14
C	12	24	26	41		2	105
Start	5	82	232	393		2	714
Stub		22	212	2,010		2	2,246
List		1	4			1	6
Category					50		50
File					6		6
Portal					2		2
Project					2		2
Template					5		5
NA	1			3	5		9
Assessed	26	133	477	2,448	70	7	3,161
Total	26	133	477	2,448	70	7	3,161
WikiWork factors (?)		ω = 17,512			Ω = 5.68

The vertical columns show the assessed importance of the articles (Top, High, Mid, Low & Unassessed)
The horizontal rows allow you to see how many articles of each Quality Assessment fall into each Importance grouping. By clicking on any number, you get a list of all those corresponding articles

So (assuming that you actually like snowy mountains!), either Stub or Start class articles that are of Top or High importance would be ideal targets for your attention. They are often the easiest to improve and, being assessed as highest priority, are likely to get the greatest traffic. Thus I see there are 5 articles currently deemed of Top importance that are 'Start' class, and 21 'Stub' articles of 'High' importance. I click the number and find these 5 articles that might interest me. Admittedly, the assessment is very subjective (see Wikipedia:Content assessment), but we have lots of WikiProjects who have these tables, and they can be a really great (but often overlooked) place to find ideas to work on.

Once you have improved an article sufficiently that you think it no longer merits the label 'Stub', there are two things you should do. Edit the article itself and delete any stub templates present at the bottom of the page. Then edit the articles Talk page and update the WikiProject assessment of the article. This might move up from Stub to Start, or even to 'C' or beyond if you've added significant content. If checking multiple article's assessment grades, you might find the automated tool WP:RATER worth installing. For better understanding of how we grade content quality, see Wikipedia:Content assessment.

Now, for your purposes of quickly viewing and assessing articles, I would start first with the stubs in the table and click one of the numbers in a cell to display the list, as explained above. I work down the list using Ctrl-Click to open each one very rapidly in a new Tab. I might open 30 at a time, before moving working on each and then move on to the next 30.

I look at each article in turn, very quickly assessing if it genuinely a stub, or if it has already been graded higher, or if I need to do so myself. I make the change on the Talk Page, NOT the article itself.

Lets take the article Aramaic studies as our example:

If you've changed your preferences as suggested, you will see below the title the words "A start-class article from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"

So, now we know the assessment currently allocated to it. To find or change it manually, we go to Talk:Aramaic studies where we see the banner saying "This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale." and then the names of six WikiProjects, all of whom have an interest in that topic and have allocated it an 'importance' grade to. These may well vary, as what may be highly important to one WikiProject, can be of very low importance to another. And that's quite normal. I also note that your WikiProject doesn't allocate an importance grade, so we can ignore that element.

It's important to appreciate that the Quality Assessment basically applies to the article, irrespective of how many WikiProjects have an interest in it.

To change it manually, click Edt Source and you'll see the 'banner shell' template at the top. This is where you can change the 'Class' from, say 'Class=Start' to 'Class=C' and then save the edit.

I work through my 30 articles, then move on to the next 30, and so on. To make the editing task quicker, I recommend using WP:RATER. It is no substitute to visually assessing an article yourself, but it speeds up the process and can offer you a 'Prediction' as to what it thinks the Quality Assessment might be. But it's not foolproof, so you must still use your own judgement.

In my view, it's well worth doing the entire WikiProject. Now, I see there are 2,042 articles which have the WikiProject Assyria on their Talk page (see HERE).

So, this can take multiple sessions over many days, so keeping a tally on paper or somewhere else to show you which sets of articles you're reassessed is very useful.

I strongly suggest you report on your actions and progress via a new topic on the WikiProject's talk page. It keeps a public tally of progress (thus avoiding duplication by other editors) and it shows Project activity!

The problem I have been facing today with your Wikiproject is that I am struggling to see how the 2,000+ Quality Assessments of relevant articles failed to be incoprrated into an Assessment table. I've spent a couple of hours on this already, wading through WP:WikiProject Assyria and all its sub-pages and pst versions to see what's been going on. And I am still rather confused, myself, sorry! I'll keep delving and try o get to the bottom of it (or I might ask for help next week from WP:WikiProject Council - a WikiProject for overseeing and improving all WikiProjects, and for getting technical help on issues like this.

Sorry for the wall of words. Let me know if I've missed theany of the key things you really wanted to understand! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the well drafted response, everything was very clear and I am hopeful to begin article assessment for the WikiProject in the future! I also appreciate the suggestions for bringing back activity to the Project by posting a text in the Talk Page.

You're correct in that one of my primary issues was that article assessments were not appearing in the assessment table, I had trying doing a refresh through WP 1.0 and was unsuccessfully able to see a change. Please let me know if you have any updates on the issue, and thanks again for your help!

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October 2024

Hi Surayeproject3! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please do not mark your edits as minor unless they correct typos and make other minuscule changes. Aintabli (talk) 13:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to populate your talk page with multiple notices/warnings at once, so I'm going comment under this: Please cite a reliable source before changing anything content-related. If you want to add categories, for example for the Assyrian cuisine, make sure that the Assyrian cuisine is mentioned in the body of the article citing a reliable source. Thank you, Aintabli (talk) 13:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comment. Would you be able to tell me which pages in particular you noticed had this issue? I made edits to Lahmacun and Turkish coffee yesterday adding them to the Assyrian cuisine category, so I assume you mean those. Surayeproject3 (talk) 16:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assyria WikiProject

Please keep in mind that not every article related to Syriac Christianity is necessarily related to Assyria or Assyrians (ancient and modern). This is especially true for topics related to Indian Syriac Christianity. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

Thank you for your comment. I did just add articles related to Indian Syriac Christianity and St Thomas Christians to the WikiProject Assyria Assessment due to the relation between the Syriac Orthodox Church (whose adherents are primarily ethnic Assyrians) and the dioceses of India. If this is potentially antithetical to the actual subject matter of these articles, I can take a different approach and look more closely at the articles before adding the assessments. Surayeproject3 (talk) 17:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, your suggestion to ensure the topics are more topically proximate to Assyria and Assyrians is a perfect solution. Let me know if you need further guidance! ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, thank you for bringing this to my attention! Surayeproject3 (talk) 17:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About your edit to Talk:Aramaic

Hey Surayeproject3! I just reverted your reassessment of this article to A-class. Please note that GA, A, FA, and FL classes cannot be decided unilaterally, but need to undergo a review process or form a consensus to promote to that rating. Please also make sure you're reading the article assessment criteria before assigning a rating to an article. Let me know if you have any questions! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thank you for your comment and for reverting my prior reassessment, and apologies if this disturbed the processes of Wikipedia. My primary concern is adding articles to the assessment of WikiProject Assyria, so the individual assessment is something I'll leave up to other users and admins for now. Surayeproject3 (talk) 18:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just found that you also (before that message) marked Talk:Assyrian continuity as A-class, which I've now reverted. Are there any other articles for which you did this? Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New message to Surayeproject3

Could you be a bit more conservative when adding WikiProjects to pages? If every remotely tangential page is added to a WikiProject's scope, the list ceases to be very useful as a guide for members of that project. Considering they haven't been added yet, perhaps you should err on the side of not adding a given WikiProject if you're not quite sure whether you should. Thanks. Remsense ‥ 论 22:06, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thank you for your comment. I saw that you had previously reversed an addition to a WikiProject on a page, and you can see that someone else left a message on my Talk page on the same topic. Rest assured, I've been more mindful on adding pages to WikiProjects and will take constructive criticism regarding so. Surayeproject3 (talk) 22:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abraham, for example, is not a good page to add. Remsense ‥ 论 21:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Images and copyright

You have inserted the non-free image File:Chaldean Catholic Patriarchate, Feb 2022.png into quite a few places. There is only one article where its use is acceptable under fair use, Chaldean Catholic Church. Further use of a copyrighted image goes against the principles of fair use, which require minimal and particularized usage. Let me know if you need further explanation. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:47, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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