User talk:TahaKahi

June 2024

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Jake Wartenberg (talk) 14:20, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

TahaKahi (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I don't really understand the issue here. "Not here to build an encyclopedia" — just as I was fixing much of the English version of the city's Wikipedia page, adding to the history, and now working on improving the introduction, I got this? I understand the issue with the acronym; I have made a report/request to lock it or take a look at it due to some conflict between me and another user. I fully understand my mistakes in how I tried to fix the problem. In the end, I kept his version but added other explanations of the acronym, yet he deleted it twice. Sorry, why am I being accused of being someone else? Can't you see my IP address showing that I'm in Quartier administratif, Safi? I have no idea how else to prove that I'm not this Yassine person other than you checking my IP address if you want. If you want to check when I first made this account, go ahead. It was right when I did the first change to the acronym after a girl I study with (Rihana) and I started doing Instagram posts about our city. Perhaps you'd like to discuss this on another platform that makes conversation easier? It's such a strange amount of difficulty just to try and expand the small and barely written English page of the city. Ah, I see where the issue is now. I saw Yassine's logs and noticed that he goes around attacking all Maghrebi Wikipedia pages, deleting anything related to Arabs as they are "erasing Tamazight" or something similar. No, I simply included the same explanation as in the Arabic version of the wiki. At first, I deleted the original English Wikipedia explanation, for which I apologized, and tried to converse with the person who made that entry, but he simply deleted my attempt to talk to him. So then I opted to fully add all the reasoning for the acronym, which included his explanation, but then I got blocked, I suppose. (added context) I live in Safi, Morocco, and I'm adding content to represent my city accurately. My IP should verify my location. It seems the person reporting my edits might misunderstand my intentions, especially regarding including the French and Tamazight names for Safi in the introduction. This inclusion should be acceptable, considering that a significant percentage of the city's population is Tamazight, and the name "Safi" means "river" in Tamazight. It's perplexing why this detail continues to be blocked, and I hope this matter is thoroughly reviewed. Other versions of this Wikipedia page, such as the Spanish and Portuguese ones, include even more extensive details without issue. Any bias against French, or Tamazight is strange, especially from someone not from my city. I only aim to provide a comprehensive and accurate representation of Safi.

Accept reason:

I have accepted your unblock request based on the discussion below. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 15:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ElijahOF (talk) 14:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are believed to be a WP:SOCK of Yassine181. CU data is Inconclusive but you need to address this in your unblock request. --Yamla (talk) 14:35, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

done! ElijahOF (talk) 14:40, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Skitash:, can you explain why you tagged this account as a sockpuppet? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apart from the fact that this user's edits on Safi, Morocco closely resemble those by YassinRi (a sockpuppet of Yassine181), I've reported ElijahOF to WP:AIV for sockpuppetry, so I assumed that the user was blocked based on my report. Skitash (talk) 11:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a bit strange your assumption is based on a word for word translation of the French and Arabic version of this wiki. ElijahOF (talk) 13:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I just find it rather odd that both of you were translating text from other Wikipedias[1][2] and adding unsourced WP:OR native names[3][4], especially given that this account was made shortly after YassinRi was blocked for sockpuppetry. Skitash (talk) 13:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was new to Wikipedia and still trying to understand how things work as I was adding the missing parts from the page, you can see that from when I started to include more references of actual books and people by the end before I got blocked. And somethings are quite clear, I don't have to source 3 book over a literal word in tamzight ElijahOF (talk) 13:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tamazight* ElijahOF (talk) 13:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To add to this, as I clearly forgot to address Skitash's complaint, the English Wikipedia itself asks to translate the more well-written Wiki pages of Safi. I made this account to work on my city's underdeveloped English information as I was working with others in my city to increase its online presence. Being someone who studies English studies here, the occurrence of me being close to Yassine Ban is quite strange, as I haven't ventured much outside the Safi Wiki page itself, except once to fix a clear mistake where someone listed Eid Adha as a wedding-related event, which is completely false. Of course, you reverted that as well.

However, I am not claiming that I didn't make any mistakes, as I had not read the rules at the time and caused an edit war. Nevertheless, I also recommend that you engage in conversation when I try to reach out to you instead of just filling my page with warnings and deleting my attempts to talk to you and reach a respectful outcome. ElijahOF (talk) 11:12, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Email

Hello ElijahOF, I am responding to your email on-wiki for the sake of transparency. I am sure that it is frustrating that your request is still open after more than a month. However, requests are reviewed by volunteers, so it is sometimes necessary to be very patient. It is possible that your request will be procedurally declined if it does not attract anyone to review it. If that happens, I recommend that you read WP:GAB and WP:DR and then submit another, much more concise unblock request that focuses on your own past and future conduct and does not discuss the behavior of other editors.

You can also try to convince me to lift your block as the blocking administrator. I would only be willing to do this conditionally. You would need to agree to refrain from editing pages related to Morocco. If you do not wish to agree to this, you are welcome to continue to pursue your unblock request. I would not object if another administrator wanted to unblock you and am also happy to answer any further questions you have on this page. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 13:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

I fully understand the situation now. Although I joined Wikipedia with the specific intention of working on the wiki pages for my hometown, Safi, I realize that there have been some misunderstandings and mistakes on my part, I did not thoroughly read the rules, and my repeated edits on the same page were against the guidelines.

Given this, I understand that the ban appeal process might take a long time and might not result in the outcome I hope for. and so, I accept the decision to be banned from editing Wikipedia pages related to my own country. Fortunately, there are others at my university who have shown interest in contributing to these pages and work on the hundreds of missing information on them, and I wish them the best of luck.

For now, I plan to focus on other projects that need attention and that I am capable of researching. I enjoy this work and look forward to contributing in other areas until it becomes possible to appeal my block from editing pages related to my country.

Could you please let me know if I need to submit an appeal for a "Conditional Unblock"? ElijahOF (talk) 19:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have accepted your unblock request. You can appeal the editing restriction to me on my talk page or to the community at AN. I would be willing to consider such a request after a couple of months of constructive editing in another topic area. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 15:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 2024

Hello, I'm Frost. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Karima Gouit—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Frost 11:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, could you elaborate a bit more? I don’t fully understand in what way it wasn’t constructive. I apologize if I made any mistakes—I’m trying to learn more about how to edit on Wikipedia and related topics. Thank you for reaching out! TahaKahi (talk) 11:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You added that the person is of Berber descent. Is there a reliable source to support it? Frost 11:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for making me giggle a little today! Most of her latest songs are in the Tamazight language, and here is her Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/karimagouit/?hl=en. I’ve barely started reworking her Wikipedia page, as it currently portrays her as just a generic contestant from music shows, while she is quite famous nowadays. TahaKahi (talk) 11:51, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's insufficient; reliable sources have to describe her as of Berber descent, it cannot simply be inferred by dress in photos on Instagram and language. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 12:58, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go mate, translate the page in english or watch the video with captions: https://fr.le360.ma/people/ses-origines-amazighes-ses-projets-le-choix-de-ses-roles-karima-gouit-a-coeur-ouvert_24TLL3Q63ZDVTGDJWXJJQW5GLQ/

Added info:

All of Karima Gouit's songs released after 2023 are in Tamazight. Her latest track even opens with "It’s in my DNA" in Tamazight, which reflects her strong connection to Amazigh culture. Her public persona in Morocco is that of an Amazigh activist through her music, and every song she has released is in Tamazight. It’s difficult to understand why her music would be classified as "Talab l3arabi" when she has explicitly chosen to express herself through Tamazight as a form of cultural identity.

Her Instagram, YouTube, and public performances are all rooted in Tamazight. Her entire persona is based on being an Amazigh singer, and this is further validated by her own statements in interviews. For example, in this interview, she clearly identifies herself as Amazigh. I encourage you to use translation tools to read the interview, where she openly discusses her heritage.

It is perplexing that the English Wikipedia for the Maghreb region does not reflect this, especially when the French and Spanish versions are more aligned with showing amazigh culture more clearly, obviously when the english wikipedias sometimes doesnt at all, as seen here. If you are seeking confirmation about her being Amazigh, perhaps it is equally important to verify the claim that she sings strictly in Arabic, as the current Wikipedia entry suggests.

This situation is frustrating, as it seems the English Wikipedia does not accurately represent her as an Amazigh artist, despite her explicit statements and cultural focus. TahaKahi (talk) 13:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're missing the point entirely. It's not about English Wikipedia trying to inaccurately portray someone, it's about needing to provide sourcing. You just went ahead and changed it and did not properly provide a cite for that fact, and when asked about it, you laughed and it took two editors commenting for you to take sourcing seriously in this case. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 16:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The light-hearted comment earlier was simply friendly banter, assuming you were moroccan and might not have been familiar with Karima Gouit. However, now that I’ve provided a direct interview as a citation and assuming you've seen her content, I hope it’s clear that updating her page to reflect who she actually is would be reasonable.

That said, I believe my main point may have been missed. I’m perplexed as to why her page lists genres like "Tarab l3arabi" and other musical styles she doesn't perform, which are also uncited, yet they remain on her page. On the other hand, the updates I made, such as her native name and genres, are met with scrutiny, even though many Wikipedia pages for other, literal international singers don’t require as stringent citations for similar information. I understand you might not have been familiar with her, and I appreciate the need for clarification, but this should be an obvious correction based on her well established work.

I hope my frustration is not taken the wrong way. Pages related to Amazigh (Berber) topics on English Wikipedia seem to be very tightly moderated. This is an issue that has even been discussed at my university, and while I won’t point fingers, it’s a widely observed problem on social media as well. Efforts have been made to combat this, and Karima Gouit herself has been a supporter of greater Berber inclusion online. Yet, her own Wikipedia page, like many others, fail to reflect her true identity, especially when compared to 'their' more accurate French or spanish Wikipedia pages.

It almost feels like a lot of moderation on "English" Wikipedia views being Amazigh (Berber) as if it were a rare ethnic minority, when in fact, they make up 20 million of the 37 million population of Morocco, according to the IWGIA. If such scrutiny is applied to the Amazigh identity, it should equally be applied to every Moroccan person's Wikipedia page to determine if they are of Arabic origin. Again, I hope you don't take this as direct criticism of you personally, it’s just a frustration many people have with the current status of English Wikipedia's representation of our country and its people.

Finally, do I really need to cite an interview to prove her Berber origins? I find it puzzling that such an obvious aspect of her identity would need extra citations, especially when less scrutinized claims are made on other pages without any such demands. TahaKahi (talk) 19:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you really need to cite facts. We don't just handwave away sourcing because "it's obvious."

There are more than 60 million articles on English Wikipedia. If we set our sourcing expectations to the level of the worst 1% of Wikipedia articles, which would be more than 600,000 articles, a massive number, then Wikipedia would be unusable.

If you see something cited poorly, then you should either request a cite or investigate it yourself and improve the article. That other things exist that aren't reliably sourced isn't an excuse to make more unreliably sourced facts.

English Wikipedia has extremely high sourcing and notability standards compared to other Wikipedia projects. It has nothing to do with being or not being Amazigh. I would urge you to drop this line of accusation; it's bordering on casting aspersions, and explicitly bringing Morocco into the conversation is pushing on the edge of your current topic ban. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 20:00, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understandable. This is one of the challenges I often notice, especially when it comes to topics related to North Africa as a whole, whether it's about Amazigh culture or more street-info like Tamazight naming and whatnot. Countries like Algeria, Morocco, or Tunisia frequently face a shortage of citable content, particularly for figures like Karima Gouit, who rarely gives direct interviews or writes about herself. It can feel inadequate to cite something like an Instagram post. This lack of sources makes it difficult to ensure the reliability of information on such topics.

That said, I now better understand the issue here. Moving forward, I’ll focus on citing any relevant content more or request citations for previously uncited sources. I apologize for the time it took me to fully grasp the issue. TahaKahi (talk) 20:10, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did at Karima Gouit, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Skitash (talk) 21:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]