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Welcome to the drive!

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Welcome, welcome, welcome CFA! I'm glad that you are joining the November 2024 drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.

Fix a random page lacking sources

Cielquiparle (talk) 11:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #178 is out: Rewriting the backend

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There is a new update for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In this issue, we discuss how the team is working hard to rewrite Wikifunctions' backend, to overcome some of the limits we encountered with the current language.

Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check our archive!

Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next Volunteers' Corner will be held on November 4, at 18:30 UTC (link to the meeting).

Enjoy the reading! -- User:Sannita (WMF) (talk) 13:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Pont Sainte-Anne

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The source of the copyvio is no longer online, nor could I find it at the Internet Archive or through the source site's archive of past issues. You wouldn't happen to have a local copy that you downloaded would you? -- Whpq (talk) 14:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone else already deleted the article, though you can see a cached version of the source on Turnitin here (if you log in through CopyPatrol) if you're curious. C F A 💬 21:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All good thanks Whpq (talk) 23:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from BobOfCoolness (19:54, 2 November 2024)

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Hello! I am wondering many things about how to edit. 1. How do I insert links to other articles? 2. How do I create a new article? 3. How can I translate an article into a language that I do not speak?

Thank you for your help! --BobOfCoolness (talk) 19:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BobOfCoolness, and welcome to Wikipedia! I'll answer your questions below:
  1. I see you're using the Visual Editor. To add links to the other articles, follow the steps at Help:VisualEditor#Editing links — there should be a "link" icon in the toolbar.
  2. To create a new article, you can use the Article Wizard. I see you've already submitted Draft:RobertIDK for review, but it was declined for lacking citations. I suggest reading Referencing for Beginners to learn how to cite sources Wikipedia-style.
  3. You probably shouldn't. Machine translations are rarely a good idea, particularly if you have no way to review the output.
Let me know if you have any other questions. Happy editing, C F A 💬 23:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – November 2024

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2024).

Administrator changes

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removed

CheckUser changes

removed Maxim

Oversighter changes

removed Maxim

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • Mass deletions done with the Nuke tool now have the 'Nuke' tag. This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. T366068

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

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Question from Autspectorder (12:52, 3 November 2024)

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Is there a tool like Citation Hunt, but for original research? --Autspectorder (talk) 12:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so, but you can use this link to find a random article that is tagged as containing original research. C F A 💬 15:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from BobOfCoolness (15:27, 3 November 2024)

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As you told me in a previous message, you saw my article got rejected first. Now, it got rejected again for a lack of reliable sources. I spent a long time searching for these sources and I worked hard on writing this. Is there a way you can help or tell me what I need to add and what counts as a ‘reliable source’? --BobOfCoolness (talk) 15:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BobOfCoolness, Draft:RobertIDK still has no references. Have you read Referencing for Beginners? It's important to make sure that all information can be verified using reliable, published sources. You should also take a look at Wikipedia's notability guidelines for people — the criteria which determines whether the subject qualifies for an encyclopedia article. C F A 💬 17:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paul S. Flores, feedback needed

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Hello,

Thank you so much for taking the time to review my article. I am hoping that you can offer further insight so that I might get it published down the road. The note said that the notable works and grants were completed unsourced but I did place reference sources for all of them. Is there a different way to source them? Please do let me know. In addition to this, it said that he may not be notable enough to warrant a wikipedia page, how might you recommend strengthening his notability? Thank you kindly for your help here! {{Ping|CFA}} Bliss.Rios (talk) 17:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bliss.Rios, I reviewed your draft when it looked like this. I see you've since added more references and have submitted it for review — another reviewer will hopefully check it out soon. In the meantime, can you tell me which part of Wikipedia:Notability (people) is satisfied? Happy editing, C F A 💬 17:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. Paul S. Flores qualifies as notable under the given premises:
The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series
In addition to this category he has won multiple awards and grants which were listed as one of the notability factors. Thank you kindly! Bliss.Rios (talk) 19:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 45, 2024)

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Hello, CFA. The article for improvement of the week is:

Slow living

Please be bold and help improve it!

Previous selections: Space Age • Image

Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations

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Question from BKetching1 (06:50, 4 November 2024)

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Hey I have been trying to figure out the sandbox feature all night. I think I published my sandbox but can't get to a sandbox tab/don't even know how the page functions.

Would you be able to instruct me how to access/edit my sandbox page? --BKetching1 (talk) 06:50, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BKetching1, and welcome to Wikipedia! Your sandbox is accessible at this link: User:BKetching1/sandbox. You can edit it by clicking the "Edit" button in the top right. You might also be interested in trying out The Wikipedia Adventure – a game that shows you around Wikipedia. Let me know if you have any other questions. Happy editing, C F A 💬 14:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback request: Politics, government, and law request for comment

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Tech News: 2024-45

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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

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  • Stewards can now make global account blocks cause global autoblocks. This will assist stewards in preventing abuse from users who have been globally blocked. This includes preventing globally blocked temporary accounts from exiting their session or switching browsers to make subsequent edits for 24 hours. Previously, temporary accounts could exit their current session or switch browsers to continue editing. This is an anti-abuse tool improvement for the Temporary Accounts project. You can read more about the progress on key features for temporary accounts. [1]
  • Wikis that have the CampaignEvents extension enabled can now use the Collaboration List feature. This list provides a new, easy way for contributors to learn about WikiProjects on their wikis. Thanks to the Campaign team for this work that is part of the 2024/25 annual plan. If you are interested in bringing the CampaignEvents extension to your wiki, you can follow these steps or you can reach out to User:Udehb-WMF for help.
  • The text color for red links will be slightly changed later this week to improve their contrast in light mode. [2]
  • View all 32 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, on multilingual wikis, users can now hide translations from the WhatLinksHere special page.

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  • XML data dumps have been temporarily paused whilst a bug is investigated. [3]

In depth

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Question from Skyscraper Aficionado (21:08, 4 November 2024)

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Hello, I've created multiple Wikipedia articles and was wondering how to go about creating proper talk pages for them. Could you offer any assistance? --Skyscraper Aficionado (talk) 21:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Skyscraper Aficionado, most reviewers add relevant WikiProject banners (e.g. {{WikiProject Architecture}}) to the top of the talk page. For example, I added {{WikiProject North Carolina}} and {{WikiProject Skyscrapers}} to Talk:FNB Tower Charlotte. I also rated it as start-class. You might be interested in installing the Rater tool which automates a lot of this. Let me know if you have any other questions. Happy editing! C F A 💬 00:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback request: Media, the arts, and architecture request for comment

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Murivu

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I didn't mean to redirect to draft but there is a duplicate article that was also moved to draft. Articles older than 90 days cant be moved to draft but this article wasn't. See Draft:Murivu (Film) and Draft:Murivu. See Wikipedia:DRAFTIFY.

DareshMohan (talk) 16:13, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Signpost: 6 November 2024

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Comment about Teahouse

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Hey, the contentious topic WP:A/I/PIA is about the conflict, not Israel in general. Sure their question is not to do with editing, but please don't stonewall them for the wrong reason. Personally I don't like the WP:ARBECR summary either, takes too many extra clicks for the person to find out what the contentious topic actually is. – 2804:F1...4A:3386 (talk) 01:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, ARBECR applies to their comments. "Broadly construed" includes Zionism and the like. I left a message on their talk page explaining it to them. C F A 💬 01:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... it applies to Zionism? News to me, the 'Definition of the "area of conflict"' says nothing about it. I'd appreciate it if you could show me evidence of it applying, though only if you have it on hand as I do not really need it seeing as I will not be contributing to this topic area (I just have never heard of this part). – 2804:F1...4A:3386 (talk) 01:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not really sure what you're looking for, but historically it has been interpreted that broadly. Zionism is EC-protected, for example. Their comments were just forum-y complaining regardless, but I'm not planning on edit-warring over it. C F A 💬 01:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, what I would be looking for is something that includes Zionism as part of the contentious topic (as in talking about Zionism is part of the topic, which is what I thought you were saying).
Is that not what you were saying? – 2804:F1...4A:3386 (talk) 02:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's what I was saying. C F A 💬 02:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Huh, alright, other people have agreed. If Arbcom wasn't the most bureaucratic part of Wikipedia I'd have suggested adding that to the notice, but it is so *shrug*, guess it will just be potentially surprising like that to people who do not know much about the conflict.
Thanks for explaining. – 2804:F1...4A:3386 (talk) 02:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mandatory Notice

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Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 49.181.58.245 (talk) 02:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. C F A 💬 02:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #179 is out: The dream of a Universal Language

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There is a new update for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In this issue, we talk about several presentation in and around the topics of languages and our work, we discuss the current refactoring of our functions catalogue and we take a look at the latest software developments.

Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check our archive!

Enjoy the reading! -- User:Sannita (WMF) (talk) 22:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 11:01:03, 9 November 2024 for assistance on AfC submission by Sebawild

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Thanks for your review on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Powersort. We were trying to give references that are in-depth and reliable via published research articles, and secondary and independent coverage via the source code and documentation references and blog posts. Can you point out where you see that references are insufficient to cover the four points / to establish notability?

With respect to the overall notability, there are dedicated articles about many dozens of sorting algorithms (listed on its own overview page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorting_algorithm). In comparison to Powersort, many of these are rather esoteric and never had any impact on applications; I still find them worth not being forgotten, but feel that the algorithm actively used in the most widely deployed software frameworks is at least as notable.


Sebastian Wild (talk) 11:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sebawild, that's exactly the problem: Source code, documentation, and blog posts are all unhelpful for establishing notability. I'll review each of your references below:
Wikipedia is looking for significant coverage in independent, reliable sources — see WP:42. In short, none of your references count towards notability at the moment. C F A 💬 15:52, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the clarification and details; I now better understand what you seek in independence. (I think that these days, source code of a big open source project might deserve a stronger role. My feeling is that these might receive more scrutiny than, say, most newspapers ;) But that is a different discussion.)
There are some research articles appearing soon (without involvement from myself) that discuss the topic further, I will add these when they are available. (The two papers you observed do not mention the algorithm since they predate it :) not by publication date, but by the original arxiv timestamps).
Can I ask about your thoughts on referencing the ACM Tech News coverage: https://technews.acm.org/archives.cfm?fo=2022-12-dec/dec-14-2022.html#1230749? It's just a summary paragraph there (the i-programmer blog has more info), but it is editorially scrutinized. Sebastian Wild (talk) 16:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the summary paragraph is probably all right. I did come across the full article while looking for sources myself, but since it is published by the University of Liverpool it wouldn't be considered independent. You can definitely use the full article to verify information; it just won't count towards notability since it is not independent. C F A 💬 16:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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