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Thank you for kindly informing me of these errors. I have indeed, however, used the preview function liberally to detect errors, however those might instead have resulted in a mass undoing of edits due to seeing those visible errors far too late. I shall strive to be more careful in these endeavours. SuperWIKI (talk) 03:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
I was specifically referring to the series of edits you made to the list of active 4 star officers. You made a change, then saved it. Saw it didn't work. Tried a different change saved it again. And so on and so on. This created a long list of needless edits. The problem with that is that it both adds that long list of changes to the pages history as well as to all the watchlists of every editor watching that page. Always click preview first and check, before saving.

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Noted. Firstly, I assume I shouldn't make an attempt to correct the message again since it will inundate Neovu with notifications? Secondly, this may seem out of let field but may I extend the offer I gave to Neovu to you as well, if you are interested? SuperWIKI (talk) 17:03, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Yup, Neovu knows what you mean and any further corrections there are not needed. I had a look at the pages, and it appears you want the 3 star page to mirror the format of the 4 star page, which seems like an obvious and worthwhile improvement, so go for it. I haven't made many changes to the 4 star page since Neovu has been regularly maintaining it for awhile now, and as for the 3 star page, SmartyPants22 would be the guy talk to. (Not that any editor "owns" any page mind you, just that it's good practice to discuss major changes first, especially with any experienced editors who regularly contribute to and/or maintain a page). You seem to have pretty good handle on it so there shouldn't be any problems. - wolf 18:45, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

New table

Well, I'm done with it. Now all I need is some consensus, but I cynically doubt it will receive attention on that talk page.SuperWIKI (talk) 09:43, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

You can just add your update now, you know. You intend for it to be an improvement. If someone has a problem, it can be undone with one simple click. All the names/ titles/ commands/ etc., are the same, so it's not really a controversial edit, so consensus beforehand is not really required. Besides, if you wait to so see IF some people are going to look at the talk page, and then IF they go to your sandbox, and IF they then go back to the talk page to post 'yea' or 'nay', (how many !votes would you want before you do anything anyway?)... that could take forever. So just go for it. (It's not like you can get in trouble.) If you're at all hesitant, let me know and I'll do it for you. I'll copy it over, give you full credit on the talk page for creating it (plus I'd have to attrib you in the summary anyway), but if there's any hassle from anyone, it's my edit so I'll deal with it. So for you its no grief, just gravy. Up to you, lemme know whenever. - wolf 10:41, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Okeydoke. I guess I'll just add it then. I might even get started on a two-star page. SuperWIKI (talk) 10:48, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Just saw it, it looks good (bet that felt good too, huh?). Anyway, a 2-star page? That should be interesting, go for it! - wolf 13:05, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Right now test-running a senior enlisted advisor page, two-stars might be too many for me to work alone. I might really need someone else on it with me for that. SuperWIKI (talk) 13:08, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
If you can provide a raw list of data; names, service, position... I have no problem doing all the markup to build the table. Yes, it's probably gonna be pretty big, but meh... what milhist editor doesn't love a good list?
I dunno if you're still working on the 3 star table/page, but it needs some tweaks and I had some questions, mainly about numbers. In the lead you state each branch has x number of officers (Army 50, MC 18, USN 38, AF 48, SF 5, CG 4 & PH 0) presumably adding up the numbers from previous table, as they were just listed by branch, with no separate DoD/JCS/UCC/Joint positions. Problem is you state the numbers total 143, but they actually add up to 163.

I think the lead should be changed and expanded, wrt to numbers. If you take a look at General (United States)#Statutory limits, it discusses the numbers of flag/general officers for each branch, the % of 3&4 stars, and actual cap numbers of 4 star. There are also exemptions; JCS & staff, UCC, Dir. of CIA, CO of Forces Korea, etc. (and I think this plays a factor in your current lead numbers) A lot of this info is already included on the list of 4 stars, but after the table. Anyway, on your actual table, you have; Army 37, MC 15, USN 29, AF 30, SF 5, CG 4 & PH 1 but combinded DoD/Joint/UCC 45, for a total of 166. (perhaps postions that are exemptions should be marked with a symbol and/or colored background?) Anyway... some food for thought. - wolf 14:57, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Simpler answer: I suck at Math. Lol. I'll look into it. SuperWIKI (talk) 15:00, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Are you still working on the page, or you ok with others doing some changes/ improvements/ tweaks, etc.? - wolf 18:55, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Both actually, so you're free to edit on both the page and my sandbox. Goodnight, going to bed. SuperWIKI (talk) 18:59, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Table markup (U.S. two-star officers)

@Thewolfchild: Sorry to bother you, but that offer you made me to turn raw info into table markup? I'm ready to take you up on it. Right now, I have the table for the most recent pending appointments for two-star officers in the U.S. Armed Forces, and I think it would be helpful to turn the raw info extracted from the Department of Defense releases into the table code, if you're interested. May I request your help in this? P.S. There is hidden text code in the table that should help you organize a bit, plus Service logos (second-last column) should already be present in the test page. I can find citations by myself, but the last column would benefit from finding the Senate nomination url and citing them, with appropriate record and date. Hope you are doing well! Best wishes and greatest regards SuperWIKI (talk) 17:12, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Where you working on it? One of your sandboxes? - wolf 17:24, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
It's in the link in the above message, unless you can't access it. SuperWIKI (talk) 17:27, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
Sandbox 2, got it. You seen this? - wolf 18:34, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
Definitely, though I never committed the specifics to memory. I gotta turn in, late night where I am. Good luck! SuperWIKI (talk) 18:37, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

{od}Here's some resources I found. Dunno if they'll come in handy or not, but thought I'd pass them along; [1], [2], [3], [4] & [5] Cheers - wolf 03:52, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh I've already used most of these. Decided to just cover Navy since there's a reliable flag list pdf I can use. Thanks anyway!SuperWIKI (talk) 03:54, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
You're not gonna do the rest of the positions/branches? That's too bad. - wolf 04:00, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
There's too many. At best I can't do them all in one page. If they're all finished, other people also really need to maintain and update for the enterprise to work. We only have so much free time after all.SuperWIKI (talk) 04:25, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Very true, I agree with you on that. I suppose it would've just been interesting to see all the positions listed out, even if it were only as a one-time snap-shot of the executive structure of the DoD. Cheers - wolf 14:55, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Well, I've created the base page for the rear admirals. Will add more soon.SuperWIKI (talk) 15:30, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

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I realized I forgot to remove the draft link, I had always intended to. Regardless, thank you for removing it.SuperWIKI (talk) 13:07, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

New page if interested

@Thewolfchild: Would like to inform you that I just finished the baseline for this whopper right here: List of active duty United States Army major generals. You're welcome to read and comment here as always! SuperWIKI (talk) 13:09, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Helluva list. Nice work - wolf 18:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Still on Phase 1, more to come. SuperWIKI (talk) 18:07, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Cool. I'll be watching. Btw, you looking to do all 2-stars? Seems you have army and all the admirals, so is usmc and usaf on the way? - wolf 04:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
If things go well and other people chip in to maintain the pages, then yes, I will make USAF and USMC. SuperWIKI (talk) 04:14, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Looking forward to it. We know how many gen/flag officers there are (and percentage/numbers of each rank), but it's really interesting to see the break-down of all the actual positions. You should be commended for all your work. In fact, I think I'll do just that... - wolf 11:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

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This is in recognition of all the work you've put into creating lists of General and Flag Officers of the United States Armed Forces. Cheers - wolf 11:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)


Ways to improve List of active duty United States Army major generals

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@Joseywales1961: Going to bed so I'll handle it tomorrow. Can't see any tags but it's probably bc I'm on mobile, right? Don't worry, that's only the majority complete, the page is only missing the posts that take more effort to find. Thank you! SuperWIKI (talk) 17:21, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

SuperWIKI, I only tagged it as under review, no other problems (we can't send a message to creator unless we tag it with something) have a good night JW 1961 Talk 17:24, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Joseywales1961 P.S.: there's also this: List of active duty United States rear admirals SuperWIKI (talk) 17:32, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
SuperWIKI, checkY JW 1961 Talk 17:37, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

List of active duty United States rear admirals

I just wanted to give you a heads up, I had to blank out your list of rear admirals for the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, as it was not accurate. Every one of those PHS officers/positions are one-star rear admirals and not two-star. The PHS uses the abbreviation RADM for both their one-star and two-star rear admirals and not RDML for their one-stars. The heads of service corps within the commissioned corps are either captains or one-star rear admirals. The PHS normally appoints officers with two-stars if they are appointed as heads of certain agencies within the HHS, i.e. the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Food and Drug Administration, Indian Health Service, National Institutes of Health, etc. Neovu79 (talk) 05:38, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I suspected something was up with it, but I had no way to confirm it without accidentally doing something wrong. Thanks! Will still add the DSG (Deputy Surgeon General) position as vacant, however. SuperWIKI (talk) 06:10, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
P.S: I have reverted changes for RADM Yvette Davids and David A. Goggins as a heads-up too. The flag list for officers by the Navy Personnel Command (dated March 2021) lists them both as two-star RADMs. Why their promotions and assignments were not publicized is beyond me, however being the latest possible record of Navy flag officers, I went by that and cited accordingly. You may check: it's in the reference list, pretty close to the top. Thanks. SuperWIKI (talk) 06:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
So I found a source that confirms Davids appointment to RADM here and Goggins' appointment to RADM here. Neovu79 (talk) 12:39, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
They've been added. Thank you. SuperWIKI (talk) 12:49, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Some new updates from this month's flag officer roster: https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/Portals/55/Career/Detailing/Flag/June%202021%20Roster%20(Public).pdf?ver=STbQ46lc1lZDVtTtZ75RFA%3d%3d — Preceding unsigned comment added by EPMen (talk • contribs) 22:12, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Officer vs position

Hey SW, when EPMen asked you about doing one-star lists, I found myself wondering if the number of one-star officers is equal to the number of one-star positions. Iow, must there be a specific billet for an O-6 to be promoted to? Or are there Brigadiers and Rear Admirals (lh) at large? (perhaps Neovu79 knows?) Anyway, keep up the good work. Cheers - wolf 06:09, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

There is a specific cap. of general or flag officers in each service. However, no position below O-9 has a specific rank tied to it. The ranks above O-8 require a specific rank to hold a specific position (that's a lot of specifics). In my opinion, any O-7 or below position has a specific rank tied to it by convention and not by statute. A colonel commanding a brigade or a major general commanding a division is the standard but need not necessarily always be the case. Here's an example: BG Curtis A. Buzzard was a Colonel (O-6) when he first became Commandant of Cadets of the United States Military Academy; he got promoted to Brigadier General (O-7) a while into his tenure. It's pretty common for a Colonel to rank up to BG or a BG to rank up to MG after a few years in the same position, which is what makes the problems for the current O-8 lists worse for possible O-7 lists. There are no set general/flag positions (for the most part) below O-9. You have to scrounge individual biographies and if you get lucky, publicly-released personnel requirements while matching assignments on the USDOD website to the Congress nomination. Specific billets with an assigned rank below O-9 are rare if nonexistent. I could be wrong though. Ask Neovu79 for extra advice. SuperWIKI (talk) 06:24, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
@Thewolfchild: Tested the new format on my sandbox and added them to the Army list and Navy list. Works well. All I have to do is add the Coast Guard and Air Force ones. SuperWIKI (talk) 14:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Thewolfchild statue does set a total number of active duty general and flag officers (one-star to four-star) within each service (10 U.S.C. § 525). Joint duty one-stars are exempt from that number via 10 U.S.C. § 526. 526 also sets a minimum number of one-stars for joint duty, but no maximum. On a side note, when you're getting into permanent ranks, there are additional statues and regulations are involved. Congress annually sets a total number of officers, active-duty and reserves, that can be promoted to a permanent rank each year. From there each service takes that number and compares it to their needs in certain job-related roles. The military calls them military occupation specialties (MOS) or for the Navy and Coast Guard, they're called designators or designations. The services then come up with a list of how many officers in each job field that they can promote within that total set by Congress. Once an officer is selected for promotion, they have to wait for headroom in order to assume rank. Some can assume rank while still in their current position. Some have to wait for a position to open up to assume rank; this occurs often for staff corps, reserves, and limited duty officers. Each service also has a very limited number of officers that can be frocked. Officers can also be nominated for appointment to a higher rank in order to immediately fill a vacant position (i.e. joint duty) designated for an officer at a particular rank. Neovu79 (talk) 16:52, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Titles

Just curious why you went with "major generals" instead of "two-star generals", as all the other list articles use "four-star" and "three-star". Was that a conscious choice? - wolf 04:02, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes. See the name for List of serving major generals of the United States National Guard. SuperWIKI (talk) 04:07, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Ha! Funny you mention that. Right after posting here, I posted Talk:List of serving major generals of the United States National Guard#Title to as SmartyPants22 about that as well. (I guess it's just a military thing... I like everything uniform) Cheers - wolf 04:20, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Hey again. Checked with SmartyPants, and major general was changed to two-stars. Ok with you to give all these titles the same format? - wolf 12:15, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
I feel like 'major generals' and 'rear admirals' fits better. Hold off for now. SuperWIKI (talk) 12:21, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
I don't think it's an urgent matter, just pointing out the inconsistency between the list titles. Have a nice day - wolf 13:22, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

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Citation needed.

Do you have a ref for this change. --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 21:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I do, will be adding. SuperWIKI (talk) 22:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
@Ancheta Wis: Ah yes, wrong sergeant major. It was CSM Paul E. Biggs who retired. It's been removed, my bad. SuperWIKI (talk) 01:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for following it up. --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 04:50, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
I created a draft for Paul E. Biggs here. I didn't grab his photo, though. --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs)
On it! Use Template: Infobox military person to help you out. SuperWIKI (talk) 06:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
What do you think of using Biggs' photo on the Command Sergeant Major article. It's a nice shot of his stripes. Then the image could become a link to the Biggs article. I'm not sure about his fourragère (It's a Schützenschnur -- German marksmanship, which I imagine he earned at Fort Bliss, or during one of his tours in Germany --only enlisted US soldiers are authorized to wear the badge). --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 06:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Use a higher-def image from the Wikimedia image category. SuperWIKI (talk) 07:07, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

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Coast Guard CMDCS

Hi! Apparently, the USCG also has got the grade of Command Senior Chief Petty Officer (Silver Badge), see here: https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/USDHSCG/bulletins/2bf8f3d Thanks, 2001:7E8:C681:7A01:A8CA:A11C:A950:AF2D (talk) 20:48, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

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@Thewolfchild: I might need some help here, I have no idea how to handle this. An IP user has been making good faith edits that, while helpful in some areas, also has some problems with markup and clarity of language, including removing specific details on educational degrees and specific years of assignments. How do I handle this? SuperWIKI (talk) 07:39, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Just what you're doing. You posted a comment on their talk page to try and engage in discussion (though in the future, comments related to article content should be on the article talk page). If they respond, then try to work out a resolution. If you can't, then dispute resolution would be your next step. If they don't respond and discontinue editing, then you can resume working on the page, and restore any edits you feel are appropriate.

If they don't respond, but continue to edit the page, then you have two options; 1) if the edits clearly do not benefit the article (ie: vandalism), then warn them, using the vandalism or disruptive editing templates found on twinkle. If they continue despite 3 or 4 warnings, report them to AIV. 2) If their edits are basically just in opposition to yours, (making it a content dispute), then file a report at ANI, indicating they refuse to engage despite all your attempts. Lastly, this is just my opinion, others may differ. Since you specifically pinged me, I won't be able to be involved directly, as it would make this a canvassing violation, but feel free to ping again me if you have any more questions. Cheers - wolf 18:37, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Status of Air Force 3 stars since 2010

Have you started work on it as a draft yet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EPMen (talk • contribs) 02:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Not yet, but I will soon. SuperWIKI (talk) 02:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

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Question: while I agree that my error was not putting the template on both the source and target page, I engage in large sets of copying between list pages, as they share very similar formats. These can take up to 50 sets of edits in a single day. To clarify (if I missed anything on the Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia page), will a single template be enough to cover a single set of edits (i.e. for every set of transfers between two pages) or must every individual copy-edit be attributed? As stated above, said large sets would likely constitute the extensive copying that would require the template. SuperWIKI (talk) 13:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

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Family relation

I can't seem to find anything, perhaps you might with your activity in US military related articles: are Michael Minihan and Kenneth Minihan related? Connormah (talk) 17:06, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Funny story about that. I too did some research on the matter but also found nothing. The sole trail I had turned to be Michael Hayden's son instead. No luck but if I do find anything, I will be in touch. SuperWIKI (talk) 17:09, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

E-mail this user

If you're willing to set this function up, I have some further documented details with refs on a very, unfortunately, obscure and non-important part of Zumwalt's tour as CNO. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 08:33, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. SuperWIKI (talk) 09:25, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

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Added template, non-separated, inconcise lead

Hi. What does "non-separated" mean? And slapping a template on an article is not very helpful. You might consider {{sofixit}}. Thanks ♦ Lingzhi.Random (talk) 15:15, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Noted. SuperWIKI (talk) 15:21, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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Rachel Levine's commission

I see that you beat me to this. I'm very surprised that she accepted a direct commission. She could have just served in office as a civilian. Neovu79 (talk) 15:56, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

I was actually surprised too, but for different reasons. I thought for sure that her four-star rank would need a separate Senate confirmation, and the United States Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions does those. I thought the news meant she was awaiting confirmation and would face stiff Republican resistance, but nope. Swearing in immediately. Also, the image for her isn't my download, it's Delfuego's. My thanks goes to him. SuperWIKI (talk) 16:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
@Neovu79: What's the chances of her full-length image coming out any time soon? SuperWIKI (talk) 16:05, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
Levine did not have to go through a senatorial confirmation to receive her commission and appointment to four-star rank, because the Presidential Appointment Efficiency and Streamlining Act of 2011 (Pub. L. 112-166) eliminated that requirement for all appointments to and promotions for the Public Health Service Commissioned Corps and the NOAA Corps. So I was also very surprised that Rear Admiral Nancy Hann is currently awaiting Senate approval for her second star. Her last three predecessors did not have to go through that, and there is no law requirement to be appointed for the position of director. One of her predecessors, Vice Admiral Michael Devany, didn't even got through senatorial confirmation when he received his third star. The Act placed all appointments and promotions of offices for these services from the department secretaries to the president. Once the president signs off on the appointment, the officer allowed to be appointed or promoted. Neovu79 (talk) 16:46, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
I don't know if I'm correct, but I don't see that bit about PHSCC admirals not needing their ranks confirmed anywhere on Wikipedia. I'm heading to bed now (and on mobile), but if you're just getting active right about now, I highly recommend you help add those details to the relevant pages. SuperWIKI (talk) 17:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
There isn't any information on that because, originally, there was no precedence. Every other four-star admiral were either already an officer when they were nominated for the position of ASH or they were nominated to be appointed a commission ("to be Medical Director in the Regular Corps of the Public Health Service") into the commissioned corps, within the same nomination of for appointment as ASH. Their full nominations read as to be Medical Director in the Regular Corps of the Public Health Service, subject to the qualifications therefor as provided by law and regulations, and to be an Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services. Neovu79 (talk) 17:10, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
I don't just mean for four-star ranks, but all ranks in the PHSCC in general. The Act says, and I quote: "Eliminates the requirement of Senate approval of all appointments to and promotions for the Commissioned Officer Corps in the Public Health Service and in NOAA." That would be a very notable distinction indeed in comparison to other uniformed services, yet I don't (seemingly) see it on Wikipedia. SuperWIKI (talk) 17:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Lance K. Landrum

On the topic of Lance K. Landrum, a U.S. Air Force lieutenant general, you reverted my edits after you stated that Wiki policy says that ranks' images shouldn't be included in the infobox. From what I've found, many well-known articles include an image of the rank in the infobox, including George Patton, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and Omar Bradley.

You stated that military rank should not be included as an honorific prefix, but I have seen it used in many other articles, such as for Dwight Eisenhower, Omar Bradley, Chester Nimitz, and Douglas MacArthur. All of the aforementioned articles are widely visited and edited, and many are featured articles, which are meant to be used as an example for how new articles should look.

Could you please explain these discrepancies? Many thanks. Gunwriter (talk) 21:13, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

I've been told that in most cases, adding ranks to the infoboxes, especially en masse is not appropriate (as is adding images to the infobox), as when I attempted adding rank prefixes to members of the German SS. All those examples you have listed are American officers with five-star rank, which in those day were considered permanent personal ranks rather than modern military ranks in modern American which are mere appointments by the Senate. The "personal rank" status is what allows them to use that five-star rank as an honorary prefix. SuperWIKI (talk) 01:27, 25 October 2021 (UTC
I still often see images of rank used for lower ranking officers and foreign officers. For example, Lieutenant Commander Roger B. Chaffee, who has a featured article, includes both a picture of his rank insignia and an image of the United States Navy flag in his infobox. Colonel Chris Hadfield, a Canadian officer, has an image of his rank in the infobox. Many other officers also have images of rank insignia and their branch of service in their infobox. Gunwriter (talk) 04:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion, this is much more indicative of a general style difference among infoboxes. Most contemporary generals of this decade don't use the prefix, hence I follow those. You should bring the general topic to this page, see what the majority will make a consensus on. WP:INFOBOX actually says flag icons should be avoided. SuperWIKI (talk) 04:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Just a note

I had replied to your question (it's not there anymore, but I figured you've seen the ping), anyway... one other thought I had is you could try posting at WT:MILHIST. There's not nearly as much drama as there is at ANI, and the articles you're concerned about fall under that wikiproject, so the editors are more likely to respond and even help you directly. Good luck - wolf 19:09, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

You have any luck so far, sorting this issue out? - wolf 03:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Not yet, but at least one person who's had to revert his edits on the Mark Milley page has expressed similar annoyances. SuperWIKI (talk) 03:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Looks like the problem is getting fixed. - wolf 03:06, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Maybe. I dare not hope. Given the Wikimedia block, LemonJuice might just go right back to editing the way he used to after the block is lifted. Perhaps he might not even know he was blocked, as his lack of communication may imply. SuperWIKI (talk) 03:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Well, this is "rope" part. He's on admin radar now and has already been sanctioned, which appears to have some conditions attached after, namely communication. Any continued disruptive editing and/or refusal to engage can just lead to longer sanctions... until they smarten up or get indef'd. I wouldn't worry too much about this now. Cheers - wolf 04:35, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! SuperWIKI (talk) 04:37, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Four star predictions

Have added to your sandbox3, if you don't mind. KingEdinburgh (talk) 10:15, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

No matter, I was watching you do it. If you have any opinions, you can add to the discussion me and Neovu79 are having. SuperWIKI (talk) 10:23, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

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Tombstone vice admirals for List of United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps three-star admirals

I have looked up and down Google for references of the three tombstone vice admirals and cannot verify that the were promoted upon retirement. Do you have sources for them? Neovu79 (talk) 22:56, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

I believe I got it from the U.S. Statutes at Large, but I lost the specific link to those years. I'll have to go through them one by one again. SuperWIKI (talk) 22:58, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

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Did you find the answer you needed to this question? I'm not sure what you're looking for but the timeline looks fine to me.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:21, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I kinda gave up and said never mind, I'll go with the vertical legend. SuperWIKI (talk) 03:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Ordering of "list of pending appointments" on 4 star list

Just noticed that for the 4 star list, designated position is on the left and current position is on the right. For the 3 star and 2 star lists, the current position is on the left and the designated position is on the right, which I find less confusing. Is re-ordering the "list of pending appointments" section on the 4 star list to make it consistent with the others something you'd be willing to do? Or is there a reason it's the way it is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EPMen (talk • contribs) 01:04, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

@EPMen: Basically it got switched back and forth a few times until it was decided to leave it as is. SuperWIKI (talk) 03:04, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

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Tips Part 2

Looks like Nowell is retiring Friday with Cheeseman succeeding him per the latest Navy flag officer roster. RADM Bill Byrne also retired. Other changes too.

Tips

Just found a lot of changes in terms of which selects have been promoted. Didn't want to make the edits myself since I'm terrible at formatting.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2022/march/marine-corps-general-officers-and-senior-enlisted-leaders — Preceding unsigned comment added by EPMen (talk • contribs) 14:37, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I'll get on it tomorrow. SuperWIKI (talk) 14:52, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Just found out that the White House plans to nominate Cavoli for European Command and Fenton for Special Operations Command. https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-expected-to-name-new-commander-to-lead-allied-forces-in-europe-11649694813?mod=politics_lead_pos4 EPMen (talk) 23:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
Maj. Gen. John Meyer will replace Sims as 1st Infantry/ Fort Riley Commander. https://themercury.com/news/army-tabs-john-meyer-as-new-fort-riley-commanding-general/article_290123e9-7fd6-5ba9-8728-366ad9fe0d3b.html EPMen (talk) 01:49, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Looks like Bunch is retiring, as he has a job lined up. https://taskandpurpose.com/humor/air-force-four-star-general-hired-school-board/ EPMen (talk) 18:12, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Looks like Schlise has been promoted from RDML to RADM per an April 8th post on CNO Gilday's Facebook page. The April 2022 Navy Flag roster lists his DOR (I guess retroactively) as 6/2020. EPMen (talk) 23:50, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Announcements of assignments for recently nominated 3 and 4 stars:
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3011179/general-officer-announcements/ (USAF)
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3011176/flag-officer-announcements/ (USN) EPMen (talk) 22:38, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Looks like USMC MajGen Trollinger is now In Transit, as USN RDML Adan Cruz is now Deputy Director, Political-Military Affairs (Middle East), J-5, Joint Staff.
https://www.navy.mil/Leadership/Flag-Officer-Biographies/BioDisplay/Article/3031372/rear-admiral-adan-g-cruz/rear-admiral-adan-g-cruz/rear-admiral-adan-g-cruz/ EPMen (talk) 02:50, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
For USAF, Dunn has replaced the retiring Craige at AFPC. Brig. Gen. (select) Kirsten Aguilar will take his old job as Director, Military Force Management Policy, office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Manpower, Personnel, and Services, so it will no longer be a 2 star position. https://www.afpc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3037794/afpc-welcomes-a-new-commander/ EPMen (talk) 17:21, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Also looks Robinson has replaced Webb at AETC with Webb retiring
https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Song-is-over-for-Webb-as-AETC-salutes-new-17187488.php EPMen (talk) 21:29, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Looks like Bauernfeind might not have retired after all. There was never an official Senate communication that he had. https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/5/5/afsoc-redefines-itself-for-great-power-competition EPMen (talk) 23:45, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
new batch of Air Force Major Generals.
https://www.congress.gov/nomination/117th-congress/2196?s=1&r=3
Miller is probably only on their for procedural reasons.
Here is a list of all them with their current positions and new positions (if already announced):
  • Brig. Gen. David Abba (USAF, Director, Special Programs and Department of Defense Special Access Program Central Office, Headquarters US Air Force)
  • Brig. Gen. Charles E. Brown Jr. (USAF, In Transit as far as I know; last served as Chief of Staff, Air Mobility Command))
  • Brig. Gen. Joel Carey (USAF, Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations, Headquarters Allied Air Command, Ramstein Air Base)
  • Brig. Gen. Julian Cheater (Commanding General, Over-the-Horizon Counterterrorism, US Central Command —> Assistant Deputy Under Secretary of the Air Force for International Affairs)
  • Brig. Gen. Darren Cole (USAF, Director, Logistics, Engineering, and Force Protection, Air Mobility Command)
  • Brig. Gen. Heath Collins (USAF, Program Executive Officer for Weapons and Director, Armament Directorate, Eglin AFB)
  • Brig. Gen. Douglas Coppinger (USAF, Deputy Chief, Central Security Service, National Security Agency)
  • Brig. Gen. Daniel DeVoe (Commander, 618th Air Operations Center (Tanker Airlift Control Center), Air Mobility Command —> Director, Air Force Warfighting Integration Capability, office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Air Force Futures, A-5)
  • Brig. Gen. Steven G. Edwards (USAF, Chief of Staff, US Air Forces in Europe and Africa)
  • Brig. Gen. Michael Greiner (USAF, Comptroller, Air Force Materiel Command, Wright-Patterson AFB)
  • Brig. Gen. Stephen Jost (Deputy Director, Joint Strategic Planning, J-5, Joint Staff —> Commander Joint Enabling Capabilities Command, US Transportation Command)
  • Brig. Gen. John M. Klein Jr. (USAF, Chief of Staff, Air Mobility Command) (USAFA)
  • Brig. Gen. Daniel Lasica (Director, Current Operations, office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations —> Director of Plans, Policy, Strategy, and Capabilities, J-5/8, US European Command)
  • Brig. Gen. Benjamin Maitre (USAF, Director, Force Structure, Requirements, Resources, and Strategic Assessments, J-8, US Special Operations Command) (USAFA)
  • Brig. Gen. John Newberry (PEO for Bombers, AFLCMC —> Commander, Air Force Nuclear Weapons Center/ Air Force PEO for Strategic Systems, Kirtland AFB)
  • Brig. Gen. Evan Pettus (USAF, Vice Commander, US Air Force Warfare Center) (USAFA)
  • Brig. Gen. Bradley Pyburn (Deputy Commander, 16th Air Force (Air Forces Cyber) —> Chief of Staff, US Cyber Command)
  • Brig. Gen. Mark Pye (USAF, Director of Concepts and Strategy, office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Air Force Futures, Headquarters US Air Force, A-5) (USAFA)
  • Brig. Gen. David Sanford (Commander, Defense Logistics Agency-Aviation —> Director, Logistics, Engineering, and Force Protection, Pacific Air Forces)
  • Brig. Gen. Jennifer Short (USAF, Deputy Director of Strategic Planning and Policy, DJ-5, US Indo-Pacific Command)
  • Brig. Gen. David Snoddy (Deputy Director of Operations, DJ-3, US Cyber Command —> Assistant Deputy Chief of Staff for ISR and Cyber Effects Operations, A-2/6)
  • Brig. Gen. Alice Ward Treviño (USAF, Commander, Air Force Installation Contracting Center, Air Force Installation and Mission Support Center, Air Force Materiel Command) (USAFA)
  • Brig. Gen. Parker Wright (USAF, Director of Intelligence and Information, J-2, US Northern Command/ NORAD) (USAFA)
EPMen (talk) 00:08, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm 99.9% certain that Treviño will be taking the retiring Holt's job. EPMen (talk) 00:09, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Do you plan to add the designated positions of the ones that have one? EPMen (talk) 23:25, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Beagle IS taking Theodore Martin's job. https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/45966/20220526/fort-drum-commander-to-be-promoted-and-reassigned EPMen (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Tullos IS getting Air University and Sam Barrett is retiring.
https://www.afrc.af.mil/News/Article/3054143/senior-leader-announcement-week-of-june-6/ EPMen (talk) 03:13, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Caroline Miller has been promoted with a new image. https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/1955079/caroline-m-miller/ EPMen (talk) 00:48, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

List of United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps four-star admirals

Re: List of United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps four-star admirals, your edit show here, which reverted my edit shown here may have been misinterpreted.

Your edit summary of "Per style in other lists, the numbering is intended to be a tally format, with names unmentioned." would indicate you though my edit which changed the phrasing from

One, James O. Mason, was already an officer in the regular corps...

back to the original phrasing of

One was already an officer in the regular corps...

decreased the readability of the article such that way they reader has to hover/jump to the piped link to find out that officer's name. My edit was not intended to sequence the officers in any way, but was an attempt to improve the grammar, as I indicated in my edit summary. — MrDolomite • Talk 18:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I have a (fortunately rare) habit of hewing to the page creator Morinao's editing style since most of my military lists are based on his, which, due to his list creations being sporadic due to long research periods off-site, sometimes conflict with present Wikipedia MOS. Apologies if this made me revert your edit on instinct. You can change it back if you wish. SuperWIKI (talk) 03:33, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
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