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Lady Eve

Hi. I got a notification that you undid a redirect on Lady Eve due to the notability issues outside of the fact that she is a top minion of Kobra and had a version of her appearing in the Black Lightning TV. I am letting you know that I had established Lady Eve's page with info from the List of minor DC Comics characters page due to her appearances in comics including DC Rebirth and the fact that someone put her link in the Outsiders template. I'm just telling you this. --Rtkat3 (talk) 17:06, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

I redirected it because it didn’t meet the WP:GNG. That fictional stuff doesn’t really matter here - we need this party sources specifically writing articles about this fictional subject. Sergecross73 msg me 00:09, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

My school's IP and complaints on administrators

Hello Sergecross73. This IP address is my community college's IP that is assigned to computers throughout the campus. A year ago, there was an edit war between two different users and I have to admit, a six month block is unfair. I asked another admin and he declined the unblock. In August 2018, just another (only one) unconstructive edit was made resulting in a year long block. I consider this unfair. I hope there can be feedback about this IP since I don't want another declined unblock request. I also feel that admins are discriminators who don't care about their editors (unless they are administrators), and I ask you for help. This makes me a user who is nicer than admins in general. Thanks, Dolfinz1972 (talk) 00:08, 24 November 2018 (UTC).

(talk page watcher) Why are you asking for it to be unblocked? While I understand you feel the block durations are too long, there doesn't seem to be anything constructive from this IP. The block prevents edits by the IP, but if you log into your own account you should be fine. -- ferret (talk) 00:36, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Can you explain further why you feel admin are discriminating? I can understand how one may feel a block may be too long, but I’m puzzled by your comments tying discrimination into all of this. Sergecross73 msg me 01:06, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm asking for it to be unblocked because there were no warnings given after the block expired. There should have been warnings. And I put in discrimination because of reading on WP:ANI and other admins' talk pages, I have to agree with the editor. Everyone has the right to edit but my college's IP address is not allowed to just for one edit. I haven't been that active and won't be until there is an "admin reform". I notice a lot of admins violating WP:CIVIL and they have done that for years. Some admins are never friendly. And they lie, too; @Ferret: there have been constructive editors on that IP address, including one who restored warnings, some other user just removes them when they pop up. There has also been constructive minor edits from that IP. Dolfinz1972 (talk) 22:43, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Also, I read on WP:ANI (archived) that some administrators are just plain bad, so bad that it makes some editors want to do self-harm. I don't know why you don't take care of administrators being so rude. They use such a strong tone to hurt someone. Why do you not take care of that? They might have done something but stop biting them. There are multiple policies taking care of this. And some editors complain about admins not following them. I don't want to see an editor commit suicide just because of the incivility of administrators. Do something! Pinging other admins such as @Acroterion, Doug Weller, Drmies, Floquenbeam, GeneralizationsAreBad, Primefac, Ritchie333, TonyBallioni, and Widr: I'm just listing examples, but calling every admin out. Reported users may do something wrong, but can't we all learn to get along? This is why we can't have nice things. Dolfinz1972 (talk) 22:43, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
I will try to help you, but there’s a lot going on here. I need more details, and some of this is...a little off-base. To explain:
  1. I’m still unclear on the accusations of discrimination. Specifically who discriminated against who? What exactly is the discriminated group here, and what is the proof of it? Are we talking about racism? Sexism? Ageism? Religion?
  2. What is the edit that caused the second block without warning? Because depending on what it was, further warnings aren’t always warranted. (For example, if I see someone going around making edits like switching “Super Mario Bros” to “Super Poop Bros”, I could see jumping straight to blocking - there’s no real scenario in which someone in good-faith, would believe that edit would be acceptable. Especially if the editor/IP had been blocked for this before.
  3. Yes, everyone starts off with the right to edit, but it is not a guarantee. It is forfeited when people don’t follow the rules. It’s unfortunate that anonymous editors get IP addresses blocked and make it so innocent people can’t edit, but it still doesn’t violate Wikipedia’s principles because there are still ways for the innocent to edit.
  4. If there are good-faith editors who want to edit Wikipedia at your college, but can’t because of the block, I’d encourage them to create an account. Even if the blocks are affecting school computers, most students likely have a laptop and/or smartphone where they could create an account for editing from anywhere.
  5. While I don’t support anyone antagonizing anyone to the point of suicide, I dont believe “admin causing suicide” is a common scenario on Wikipedia. Such things should be taken very seriously...but I believe any cases of this have been very much such isolated accounts.
  6. To ask me “Why aren’t you doing anything about admin making people suicidal” is like going to your local police officer and asking them why they didn’t prevent the 9/11 attacks. It’s awful, but I’m just one random authority figure. Wrong time, wrong place, and a bigger issue than what I can take care of.
  7. My talk page isn’t going to be the place to discuss admin reform. An unblock, maybe. But tagging a bunch of admin and then complaining isn’t going to get you the results you want. WP:VP or WP:AN are probably the types of venues you’d want for big changes. But I can tell you right now - if you go there, you’re going to need much more detailed stuff there. This is mostly vague complaining about vague anecdotes without proposing any concrete changes for solutions. Without more concrete details and proposals, it’ll just lead to endless arguing without results. Sergecross73 msg me 00:57, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Jill Valentine FAC

Hi. Sorry to bother you again, but I've nominated Jill Valentine at FAC here. If you have a few minutes to spare over the next few days, I'd really appreciate if you could briefly paraphrase some of the comments you left at my talk page to the FAC. These past few days, it seems to have plummeted down to the bottom of the FAC nominations page. Any commentary would be appreciated. ;) Homeostasis07 (talk) 01:23, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

No problem. Remind me again tomorrow/ in 24 hours if I still haven’t commented yet. Sergecross73 msg me 03:45, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Ping. Homeostasis07 (talk) 02:05, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey Sergecross, just asking your opinion since you edit rock and metal acts' articles quite a bit and I see it quite a bit as well: do you think terms like lead vocals, drums, guitar, etc. should be linked in the personnel section? I usually remove these because WP:OVERLINK says common terms understood in context (especially on an album article where most readers will know what basic instruments are), but many editors still see fit to include them. In addition to that, what do you think about references throughout an article repeatedly linking to a specific publisher (like repeated links to Billboard (magazine) each time that publication is sourced)? I consider that overlinking as well, but I don't think as many do. Ss112 21:41, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, no problem, ask anytime.
  • First question: Yes, you are correct, linking vocals, guitar, etc are considered overlinking. I recall because I started a WikiProject level discussion on it somewhere years ago, and was surprised that the consensus was that it was overlinking because I had seen them be linked so prominently. But yeah, consensus was that it was generall overlinking, though I personally tend to link to things like mixing and mastering because I don’t think your average person understands some of those sorts of roles.
  • Second question - I would generally not link something like Billboard repeatedly, with the exception of it being listed repeatedly in the charts section. I don’t know for sure, but it’s maybe more acceptable to overlink in re-sortable charts. I could be wrong though. Sergecross73 msg me 00:02, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:36, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Handheld Switch

The Switch is both a home and handheld. We could add a hybrid section. LPCDDude (talk) 00:44, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I’m aware. But it doesn’t make sense to list everything twice, nor does it to make a separate section for hybrids in a section all by itself where there’s nothing to compare it to. Sergecross73 msg me 14:24, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Xenoblade 2 sales

Right, it's clear you didn't read my note. Xenoblade 2's sales have gone up to 1.53 million units via Nintendo's top ten as can see here.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html

The problem (which I pointed out in the Talk page) is that this will change come March and that we need an archive of some sort. As you can see the information is correct and I only cited the website because of the eventual March change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:DD00:39D0:2DA3:57E6:9062:7CDE (talk) 17:00, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

I saw your note. I’m just saying find a better replacement source. Sergecross73 msg me 17:10, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Such as what? The original source will be gone in March and any other source would be a random website just reporting what we know is fact such as this. https://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-million-sellers-october-2018/

The only other option is to archive the page with the wayback machine or something of that sort. Is that considered valid? 2601:204:DD00:39D0:2DA3:57E6:9062:7CDE (talk) 18:01, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

See WP:VG/S for a list of usable or not usable. I’m not saying third party websites aren’t acceptable, I’m saying the one you happened to choose isn’t specifically usable. Tons of websites cover Nintendo news and sales. I’m sure you can find a better source. Sergecross73 msg me 18:26, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Literally none of the websites listed as reliable have covered this which isn't surprising because the small rise itself isn't newsworthy. Best you can do is a web archive like so: https://web.archive.org/web/20181105051039/https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html

But I'm certain there's probably some rule against doing that. 2601:204:DD00:39D0:2DA3:57E6:9062:7CDE (talk) 18:40, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with using web archive, not sure why you’d think that... Sergecross73 msg me 19:16, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Because they're really easy to fake for one. And if that was an option, you should have said something earlier instead of wasting my time. 2601:204:DD00:39D0:2DA3:57E6:9062:7CDE (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Unbelievable. I volunteer my free time on a Saturday to help someone who doesn’t know the basics, only to be chastised for not being fast enough. Thank you. You’re very inspiring. It’s been a pleasure. Sergecross73 msg me 22:19, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

"Reversed horror"

Have you ever heard of a genre called "reversed horror"? This showed up at List of horror video games, and I have some serious doubts that this is really a thing. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:29, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I agree, it sounds like it’s fake, or some fan created term. Likely a WP:NOTNEO violation. Sergecross73 msg me 14:26, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

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seasons cheer

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Sergecross73, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,
Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:12, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks Lee. Same to you! Sergecross73 msg me 20:28, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks Joebro. I wish you the same! Sergecross73 msg me 20:28, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Sergecross73, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
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Coda16 19:08, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks Ethan/Coda. To you as well. Sergecross73 msg me 20:28, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Just thought I'd send you a quick message to let you know that I appreciate all your work in helping with Jill Valentine. I don't know if the article will be promoted this time around or not, but I wanted to send some thanks your way, and tell you that I appreciate the time and effort you put in reviewing the article and offering feedback. Happy holidays, and good luck in 2019. All the best, Homeostasis07 (talk) 19:26, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
No problem. I wish you the best of luck with it. Hopefully it passes. Let me know if it does if you think of it Sergecross73 msg me 20:28, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Sergecross73, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
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Jalen D. Folf (talk) 20:24, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks Jalen. Same to you. Glad to see you back around. Sergecross73 msg me 20:28, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas! -Fwth

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Merry Chr1stmas and Happy H0lidays, Sergecross73!


Hey Sergecross73, i lOvE yOu and wish you a pleasant Merry Christmas and a wonderful New Year.
Thanks for all you do on Wikipedia. 🐇🐇🐇
Flooded with them hundreds 09:36, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Hello Sergecross73: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:10, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

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A belated welcome!

The welcome may be belated, but the cookies are still warm!

Here's wishing you a belated welcome to Wikipedia, Sergecross73. I see that you've already been around a while and wanted to thank you for your contributions. Though you seem to have been successful in finding your way around, you may benefit from following some of the links below, which help editors get the most out of Wikipedia:

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Again, welcome! czar 00:18, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

wait, how can you complain about no welcomes when you have all of these seasons greetings? You already have plenty of cookies
But if you're looking for a good place to share them, the Wikipedia:Teahouse is a friendly place to learn about editing Wikipedia. czar 00:20, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
Than you so much for noticing me, CZAR! I’ll do my best to be a good editor! I’ll look into this house of tea and signatures too!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergecross73 (talk • contribs) 00:40, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

December 2018

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OMG I’m sorry!!! 00:49, 26 December 2018 (UTC)~ Serge Sergecross73 msg me 00:49, 26 December 2018 (UTC) (00:49, 26 December 2018 (UTC))

Classifying songs by genre

Hello! Thanks for weighing in at Talk:Nothing Breaks Like a Heart. I am curious, if you think adding Category:Country pop is a WP:SYNTH issue, what do you think about this discussion? ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:13, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Request Create an Article

Hello Dear, I want to create an Article please help. AmeliaUS (talk) 18:14, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello Amelia. I can try to help. What were you wanting to create? Sergecross73 msg me 18:29, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

This Artist: https://g.co/kgs/dQ411F https://posts.google.com/share/WSsDMihY I will send authentic References. AmeliaUS (talk) 05:17, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

I know all about his. AmeliaUS (talk) 05:18, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Without Wikipedia bio google knowledge panel is incomplete. AmeliaUS (talk) 05:24, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh boy. I thought this subject sounded familiar. “The Smoothest Aashu” has a long history of breaking Wikipedia rules. I can’t help you with this one. Since he’s got a lot history with promotional editing, you probably have a connection to (or are) Aashu. I’d have you relay the message to him that Wikipedia is not a vanity project where you write your own biography or ask others to do it on your behalf. It’s an encyclopedia written by third parties that shouldn’t have any connection with the subject. Don’t force it. Sergecross73 msg me 13:41, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

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I'll Not Edit on Concept Albums Again

yes both you see are concept albums don't block me from editing i'll not do it again... i apologizeJohnny758 (talk) 13:30, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

  • You don’t necessarily have to stop editing it, you just have to stop adding unsourced entries or adding fake sources that don’t actually verify your additions. But if you are unwilling or unable to correctly add sources, then yes, it would be best you not edit the article.
  • The problem with concept albums is that often people make mistakes in interpreting whether or not an album is a concept album or just an almost with some vague common things. The article underwent a massive 2 year review, and there were a staggering number of entries that were incorrect. Now that the article has been fully cleaned up, a source is needed to verify each entry to make sure the article doesn’t fall back into disrepair.
  • Technically, per the Wikipedia policy on verification and sourcing, all content added to Wikipedia requires sources. So, while your reaction may be to just walk away from the concep album article, know that if you keep adding unsourced content to any Wikipedia article, you’ll likely eventually find your account blocked from editing. It’s a non-negotiable rule here on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 16:17, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Greninja listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Greninja. Since you had some involvement with the Greninja redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Paintspot Infez (talk) 13:33, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

"Single Album"

In your capacity as an Admin, please take a gander at this discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums#"Single Album". We might be getting close to a call for a new policy in the world of songs/albums, and I don't know how that would proceed. Thanks. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:48, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Generally, when it’s not a formal discussion like AFD, you don’t necessarily need to wait for a formal close if the consensus is pretty clear. That said, you may want to wait a little bit for the discussion to die down, as there were still 4-5 comments today. If you need it I can make a call when it slows down - I don’t really have a stance so I could neutrally do it - but usually in this sort of thing is as simple as anyone just going ahead and making the changes... Sergecross73 msg me 01:38, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Nothing More

I'd like to take a moment and say what a wonderful job you have done on this article! Would you, in the future, consider nominating for GA with me? I would love to just get it pushed the rest of the way there - it looks pretty close. dannymusiceditor oops 20:09, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing! I really really enjoyed their most recent album, and was motivated to improve/create everything related to it. Then I doubled down on improving the band article after they got their Grammy Nominations last year, knowing people would be looking them up. (Also I recall a specific blogger scoffing at the fact that a Grammy nominated band hand such a terrible looking band article, as if it made them unworthy or something.)
Anyways, to answer your question, it’s kind of similar to the situation with Blue - it looks great, but there’s a couple sources in there that I’m not sure would convince a hardcore RS skeptic. Mostly, the stuff about their early years. They got soooo little coverage in their early years. But they’ve become a lot bigger in the last year too, so maybe some can be replaced at this point too. Sergecross73 msg me 23:04, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
LOL. There are plenty of those Grammy-nominated bands that have poor articles. They should pick on someone like High on Fire instead. dannymusiceditor oops 05:57, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

January 2019

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Cards84664 (talk) 02:09, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

I’ve commented there. Sergecross73 msg me 02:16, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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