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Better pic of third rail tips at Valhalla

Roy,

Per your suggestion during peer review for Valhalla train crash, I took the opportunity during another trip down there in late March to take some new pictures. After shooting some with from the crossing itself, I realized a view from the side might make the point better.

So only yesterday did I get around to swapping it in. Do you think that works better? It's not the best quality image since it was a pretty overcast day and I was using my phone (I did take some DSLR pics that maybe I might be able to find a way to upload at some point), crouching in bushes by the side of the track. But it does show that wedge shape. Daniel Case (talk) 02:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'll certainly agree with "It's not the best quality image" :-) RoySmith (talk) 16:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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Created something you could incorporate into DYK-Tools-Bot

Took me around 30 minutes to whip up User:GalliumBot#minos, which just looks for lost nominations (in Category:Pending DYK nominations that aren't transcluded to WP:DYKN or WP:DYKNA). I could get a whole BRFA to run it myself, but I think it'd probably be easier to create a tracking category/template for it and append it to what DYK-Tools-Bot already does? My source code is available at User:GalliumBot/minos/minos.py :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, if you had the heart to make it retransclude the nominations, that'd be even better, but I am not feeling that. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Maybe. TBH, I found the whole WP:BAG process rather frustrating and unfriendly. I'm not enthused about going back there. RoySmith-Mobile (talk) 12:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Honestly, I did too, so fair enough. This is just an add-on to an already approved process, though – should be a cakewalk. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm also seem to be in a non-coding phase these days. I've been working my way through some of my old articles getting them up to GA or FA standards, and that's eating up most of my wiki-time. RoySmith (talk) 00:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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2O for a DYK

Hi RoySmith, would you be willing to give a 2O for DYK I have coming up? I'll send an email with the relevant extracts from the sources and my thoughts, please take a look if you're interested or ignore it if you're not. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 17:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Pahunkat, I'm happy to take a look. You asked about using "tourist destination" in the hook, and I agree with your concern. The source talks about inviting people to come visit the plant, but doesn't actually talk about tourism. I think going with ALT1 would be preferable. RoySmith (talk) 18:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back. Alt 1 I'd change to "DYK that the Nabisco Shredded Wheat Factory was so attractive used as a marketing tool, with its image was printed on cereal packets until 1960", just so it better aligns with the sources. Now that I think about it, just "used as a marketing tool" is a decent hook in itself and it's taken straight from the book.
I'll raise this at WT:DYK, thanks for your help. Pahunkat (talk) 18:51, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Re: DYKFICTION

I've always thought the section on WP:DYKFICTION was far too ambiguous for me to make heads or tails of it. Can you do me a favor and take a glance at the hook here and let me know if you think it passes DYKFICTION? I feel like I still don't have a good grasp on this guideline. Viriditas (talk) 21:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

To be honest, @Theleekycauldron is probably a better person to ask. RoySmith (talk) 22:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 22:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

In appreciation

The Premium Reviewer Barnstar
By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this barnstar in recognition of the large number of thorough, detailed and actionable reviews you have carried out at FAC. This work is very much appreciated. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
@Gog the Mild thanks. Sometimes I feel like I'm being too harsh, so please let me know if I go overboard. RoySmith (talk) 16:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
I can't say that I have noticed that, but if I do I shall. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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Category:Historic buildings and structures in New York (state) has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Roy, please can you take a look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie/archive2 whenever you are less busy. Will appreciate your comments. Thanks. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 14:38, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll take a look, but probably won't be able to review it. Biographies are not really my thing, but thanks for the ping. RoySmith (talk) 20:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

First Punic War

Good evening Roy. Could I put a trifle of admin work your way? Would it be possible for you to take a look at the recent edits to First Punic War, and referee the ah, discussion? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I have applied a Solomon-like solution :-) RoySmith (talk) 22:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
@Gog the Mild just to clarify, The FA banner does say if you can update or improve it, please do so, and sometimes that means updates that are less than useful. As an admin, I'm supposed to stay out of content disputes. If this was clearly vandalism, I'd have no problem stepping in with a block or longer-term semi-protection for the page, but I don't think that applies here. I've added the article to my watchlist and I'll keep an eye on it, lets see what happens. RoySmith (talk) 15:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
That's fine by me Roy. Thanks for keeping an eye on it. I have no issues with the edits, I do with the ignoring BRD, among others. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:25, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

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The article Robert Weinberg (urban planner) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Robert Weinberg (urban planner) for comments about the article, and Talk:Robert Weinberg (urban planner)/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Pbritti -- Pbritti (talk) 02:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Promotion of Arthur O. Austin

Congratulations, RoySmith! The article you nominated, Arthur O. Austin, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.
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Google Maps

I was looking at the U.S. Route 13 in Maryland article, which is also a good article, and I noticed that the parts addressing the terrain US 13 passes through (such as "US 13 passes through wooded areas") has Google Maps as a source. Do you think I could use Google Maps as a source for I-85 passing through forest and rural areas? Let me know your thoughts and I'll reply back ASAP. Thanks. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 02:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Nvm, I figured it out. Do you mind letting me get back on the 17th and finishing up the rest of the article? I'm almost done, and I saw on the GAN page that there are reassessments that have been open for as early as June 14th. I'm not asking for a massive extension, but just for the 17th so that I can get back to my computer and add the citations. I understand if you don't want to grant me the extension, but I have in fact made improvements on my computer, although they haven't been saved yet. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 08:52, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure what to tell you. There's a request for reassessment open. At some point somebody will pick it up and make a decision. I have no control over when that happens. RoySmith (talk) 14:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Ok. All I hope is that I make it back to my computer before it closes and finish up whatever improvements I make to the article. I think I've found out what sources to use for the sentencing and what to remove from the wording. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 16:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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Re the wikirefs tool

Just tried it on The Argosy (magazine) and got an internal server error; my mistake that it should have been Argosy (magazine) (which it coped with), but presumably it doesn't like being asked about non-existent pages. I like what I see of the tool so far, particularly that it preserves links in the references. I could imagine an option to restrict what comes back to only refs with links, or only ones without. Perhaps an option to ask for X randomly selected ones, and an option to copy them to the copy-paste buffer in some appropriate wikitext form -- I use a standardized bullet list with wording that you can see here, for example, but anything pasteable into a GA or FA review would work.

One thing I find myself doing in spotchecks is that I get an intuition pretty quickly about whether there are problems to be found, and if I suspect problems (I'm more right than not, but my instincts are not infallible on this) then I'll go looking for structures that I know from experience are more likely to reveal errors. A couple of examples:

  • Direct quotes, e.g. in reception sections, are rarely wrong, so if I'm hunting errors I'll often skip these.
  • Situations of the form "Here is a sentence with multiple clauses,[1] with a citation halfway through. Here's a second sentence with the citation at the end.[2]" often failed verification on the second half of sentence 1.
  • Paragraphs with one or two cites at the end of each sentence are rarely wrong. The longer the series of sentences cited to a single source, the more likely an error becomes, though this is not as reliable in producing errors as the previous case.
  • Declarative sentences that assert things such as names or dates are less likely to be wrong.
  • Multiple citations, perhaps surprisingly, don't seem to be correlated with reliability -- that is, picking something to verify that has multiple citations doesn't seem to increase the chances of finding an error.
  • Flowery, unnatural, old-fashioned or highly academic or formal language is a moderately strong indication of possible close paraphrasing, *unless* the rest of the article is like that too, in which case the odds are evenly distributed between the author being a formal writer, a non-native speaker, or a bad writer, depending on what the oddity in the language is.

This all means that in some cases I don't want a random sample; I want to bias the selection toward certain types of spotcheck.

Thanks for working on this -- I can see it being pretty useful once you get it a little further along. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. Yeah, dealing with non-existent titles in a useful way is probably #1 on my to-do list. RoySmith (talk) 02:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Big Duck

On 19 July 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Big Duck, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a big duck (pictured) helped promote duck farming on Long Island? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Big Duck. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Big Duck), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Complex/Rational 00:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Domestic duck

On 19 July 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Domestic duck, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a big duck (pictured) helped promote duck farming on Long Island? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Big Duck. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Domestic duck), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Thank you for the ping

... to the Klingenberg hook change. I am not happy that the time frame was removed because I believe that "divided Europe" meant a different thing in the 1970s Cold War than it would in the 2010s, - why omit that context? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

The goal of a hook is to pique the reader's interest, not tell them every detail. I'd like to keep the shorter version, but if you insist, I'll put it back. RoySmith (talk) 17:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Exactly, and I tried to say that but was obviously not understood. Trying harder: the "divided Europe" thingy is more interesting in the context of the 1970s, so would pique the reader's interest more in my humble opinion. We do have readers who know a bit about history, I hope, and should not exclude them. This person recently died, and found interest already, - I just hoped that DYK could add to knowledge about him, not only for those who click but also the large majority who don't. I can't help thinking that the best pique would be his image. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Done. RoySmith (talk) 18:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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SPI

Hi, can I ask why Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/68.7.224.123 was deleted? — Czello (music) 17:48, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Sure. We often delete cases that only mention IP addresses and no accounts. The purpose of the SPI archives is to assist furture investigations by preserving useful history. If there's no accounts involved, there's no useful history to preserve. RoySmith (talk) 18:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Fair enough, thank you — Czello (music) 19:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Image protection

Greetings. Just came here to say that there's nothing "fidgety" about page protection. It's very simple:

  • At Errors, there's a box with links. Follow the link to "Commons media protection"
  • Add the media file to the bottom of the list in the format that you find the other files being listed
  • Wait a few minutes; I think that bot runs every 10 minutes whenever the clock ticks over to "x0".
  • Once the clock has ticked over, go to the Commons page where the file is held and try to edit it. When it won't let you, it's been done.
  • Use the new image on the main page.

It really is that simple. Schwede66 19:39, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, but I also see "Please don't use this page unless you're 100% certain that you understand how it functions." so I'm going to be a wimp. I've never broken the main page before and don't feel the urge to change that :-) RoySmith (talk) 19:44, 27 July 2024 (UTC)