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The Wikipedia Signpost: 5 October 2009

Hi, you sent me a message about an edit I made to a psychochemical weapons page. The only problem here is that I didn't make any edits to any psychochemical weapons pages.131.212.202.74 (talk) 17:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah, wait, nevermind. I remember that edit now. I had no idea wikipedia made pages tracking this stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.212.202.74 (talk) 17:13, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

For your concern about the current political climate in Garfield Hts. It seems that Ron Finerty, (aka Bobblehead or Ronf57) chooses to edit this article with his opinions of the current incumbant Mayor and certain Council members. It should be noted that Wagner promised Finertys' wife the position of economic development director on the off chance he gets elected. Its as if the people of Garfield Hts dont know dirty tricks when they see them. Keep an eye on Finertys comments as they get more laughable. Custom500 (talk) 21:51, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Spermophagia

An article that you have been involved in editing, Spermophagia, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spermophagia. Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Drmies (talk) 17:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

my edit

I apologize... I didn't realize that it would be considered unconstructive... thanks for the heads up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.248.36 (talk) 17:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

unlawful

at the article "vigilante"

i changed the following "unlawful" into unjust (as shown with the >> and << characters below)

"A vigilante is someone who unlawfully punishes a criminal, or participates in a mob or conspiracy to mete out >>unlawful<< punishment to a criminal or criminals."

this is because vigilantes act on what they think is unjust, not necessarily on what the government thinks is unjust.

but this change was reverted by you, i'd like an explanation please85.144.133.46 (talk) 22:21, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

As I said on the talk page Because "illegal" is correct. Anything else is just a particular POV on that government's laws.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:23, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
lets continue this on the talk page85.144.133.46 (talk) 22:25, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia!

The recent message you left me regarding my edit to the page Taxpayer March on Washington appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the message was constructive, please ensure that you review the Life magazine "slideshow" before intervening. You may also wish to read the rulebook on External Links. Thank you. Kenatipo (talk) 17:56, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Your addition of "condescending, pro-Obama" was hardly constructive, it was very POV, and unreferenced.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
More important than that, it was TRUE. Please compare the Life slideshow with the Time photo essay before making any further helpful comments. Kenatipo (talk) 19:39, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Ron, are you sure you know what you're talking about? External links sections don't require footnotes or references. Kenatipo (talk) 20:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Maybe not (I'm sure that there is nothing to stop you adding one if it fits), but it was still very POV - since the article said (I did look at it) Somewhere around 60,000 demonstrators, many from the so-called "Tea Party" tax protest movement, gathered in Washington on Saturday, September 12, 2009, to express concerns about President Obama's health care reforms - I would not call that "pro-Obama" - or am I missing something?  Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:21, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
One reason the Life slideshow is POV is because it attempts to persuade you that most protesters attended the 912dc march for the purpose of calling Obama names: ". . . while also taking the opportunity to voice their belief that Obama is not really an American; is a threat to liberty; is a "spoiled brat"; and is a socialist, or a fascist, or a Maoist, or an Islamist, or perhaps all of those things, and more. Their signs say it all." But as you know from the Wikipedia, that was not their main reason for coming to DC and marching. If it's not POV, why the sneering words "so-called 'Tea Party'"? Kenatipo (talk) 05:23, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
The Life editor is fascinated by the Obama Joker image. In the first 4 photos, we see it 10 times. But, it was not that prevalent at the march. You can review dozens of 912dc photos on Flickr without seeing it. Out of 22 photo captions, 9 captions are negative, 8 are neutral and 5 are questionable/borderline. The negative captions are on slides 1 (the intro comments), 10, 11, 13, 15, 18,, 19, 20 and 21, the most offensive being 20, "somebody's kids apparently need help". If the Life editor had been more honest, the piece would have been titled "Tea Party Protesters Insult Our President". That's why I describe it as pro-Obama -- because it's more concerned with perceived insults to Obama than it is with what most people there were protesting. If you compare the Time photo-essay verbiage with the Life slideshow verbiage, you should be able to see the difference in POV. Time is NPOV, Life is not. Kenatipo (talk) 12:54, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Obviously US politics are much more subtle than ours. We vote them in, then hate them for 3-4 years and like them for 12 months, and vote them in again. After 3 terms we get very fed up and try the other lot. As for sex/race/etc., we don't care - we've had Maggie, now we've a one-eyed Scot... C'est la vie  Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
God save the Queen! I copied a bunch of what I've said here over to the Taxpayer March discussion page, which is where it should probably continue. A new discussion section has started. I appreciate your time and your comments, really. As you can tell, I have way too much free time on my hands. Is Wikipedia really Greek for "the blind leading the blind"? Well, as we Wikipedians say, "The Britannica wasn't written in a day!" Kenatipo (talk) 21:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

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Huggle

Bah! I didn't revert right on the Chevy page, thanks for fixing it =) SparksBoy (Huggle) (talk) 21:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Did HG not give you a warning about the revert - that the revert was to a warned IP? It did for me, that's why I went back a few pages first.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
It didn't give me a warning, it's been bugging on me lately. SparksBoy (Huggle) (talk) 22:03, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting those nasty edits.

I noticed that you reverted edits that User:Locutus0fLegi0n made to my pages. First of all, thank you.

I've had problems with them before, and they seem to hate me for no reason. They know full well what they are doing, and won't stop unless they're perma-banned.

I need to get them perma-banned, however I don't know how to go about that. They've been after me, off and on, for the past few weeks -- I had been impersonated on YouTube, my life has been mocked, and yet you see these messages and think nothing of it?

"We have your dox." They claim to have my information, but...

They need to stop, but I don't know the proper channels to go through. Daniel Benfield (talk) 22:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Have a read of WP:ATTACK. If you have WP:TW enabled (does not work in IE), then you revert any edit that is bad and it will also allow you to post a standard warning (level 1 to level 4) using the "warn" tab, after that you can use the "arv" tab to quickly report the user to WP:AIV, where they may be blocked if an admin decides.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Congrats!

19:10.54       ClueBot-2: Possible vandalism: Tank changed by Jollybro replacing entire content with something else on (N/A). 19:10.54       ClueBot-3: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank&action=history | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=319715299&oldid=319715114 ) 19:10.54       ClueBot-5: Reverting ... 19:10.55       ClueBot-2: Grr! Beaten by Ronhjones.

ClueBot: 0 - You: 1

Anyways I just saw that in the IRC and wanted to say congrats. :) --Sidonuke (talk :: contribs) 23:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. :-) It's not often one beats ClueBot - especially I think working from here (UK), it seems US editors tend to beat me - I suspect their revert gets to Florida before mine (which I suspect has to go via the NL mirror).  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:20, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Scooby-Doo

Sorry for my revision of Scooby-Doo, was just trying to remove rather a lot of vandalism (picures of genitallia, words changed to penis etc) by some random. Apparently Marek69 had the same idea, but noticed some things I didn't (so reverted it further).

Just thought I'd let ya know Alphathon

It's been a busy night out there...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for Scooby-Doo (and Double Posting)

Hi. Sorry to leave two messages, but I'm a little tired atm so forgot to put my sig and a title in the prev message (which I have quoted below).

"Sorry for my revision of Scooby-Doo, was just trying to remove rather a lot of vandalism (picures of genitallia, words changed to penis etc) by some random. Apparently Marek69 had the same idea, but noticed some things I didn't (so reverted it further).

Just thought I'd let ya know"

Sorry again Alphathon (talk) 00:19, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Tired! It's only 1:20am here... :-)  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:20, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, It's only 1:20am here as well. I did only get about 4hrs. sleep last night though... Alphathon (talk) 00:23, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you, Ronhjones, for watching out for my userpage. It's been continually vandalized by the same individual for the past few days. I very much appreciate your vigilance! Basket of Puppies 22:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Diamond Chess

Hi Ron.

I had added the Diamond Chess page in good faith as something that might be of interest. Other chess variants appeared, such as hexagonal chess. I received notice from the moderators that Wikipedia is "not a gaming site" and that it should be deleted.

I thought this a bit inconsistent since numerous other games appear, but to comply, I removed the offending article.

Now, I am getting warnings and final warnings for having taken it down.

I am not really sure what I should do at this point. If you folks want it up, I will put it up. If you want it down, I will take it down. If you want it modified in some way, and then put up, I am happy to do that as well.

Please advise as to what I need to do, and remove the warnings from my ID.

My intent was (and still is) to share, never to offend.

Thanks,

Jim Guyer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimguyer (talk • contribs) 15:52, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Replied on user's talk page.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:36, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Yo,

How can I be an Admin666isactuallyaholynumber (talk) 22:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

see WP:RFA  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:01, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Australian Capital Territory Debating Union and User:124.168.125.162

This looks like a content dispute to me, rather than vandalism. See User_talk:Rrburke#ACT_Debating_Union_Entry. Cheers. 22:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe. Deleting large chunks and no edit summaries will normally get a revert, either by an editor or by a bot.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Procedural question on "Vandalism" re Taxpayer March on Washington article

Hi, again. I'm interested in knowing more about the "why's" and the "how's" of the reversions of my addition of wording to the Life slideshow External Link. EL guidelines, I think, suggest that links with a POV should be so noted by adding a comment. EL guidelines do not require that ELs be footnoted (I looked at dozens of ELs in many articles - not a single footnote). My opinion is that anyone who compared the Time and the Life photo-essays/slideshows would conclude that one was neutral and one had a clear POV. I wasn't violating any policy by Being Bold - just the opposite. Now, the words I chose to add may have been too bold for some, but that's no reason for reverting the whole thing -- just tone them down a little. Requiring that the whole issue be discussed on the talk page is like requiring group consensus on whether 2 + 2 really equals 4. My adding a comment to an EL is not vandalism. Which brings me to my question: why does Huggle classify my revert of APK's revert as "vandalism"? thanks. Kenatipo (talk) 17:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Now I'm confused. Where did the word "vandal" come up? I don't see it in the huggle template or the edit summary. Anyway, as you are interested, when in Huggle one sees a "diff" view - I saw this diff - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taxpayer_March_on_Washington&diff=next&oldid=319259904 - therefore I saw AgnosticPreachersKid had reverted you because of POV, and then you added an obvious POV text (with a minor edit flag) and had not discussed it on the talk page. I therefore just hit the "Q" key - that's all that's needed in huggle to revert, send a template message, and move on to display the next page of possible vandalism. There are typically 150 pages changed a minute in English Wikipedia, and it can get up to 20 vandalized pages per minute at bad times, so the time one spends on any page tend to be as short as reasonably practicable as some pages take more time than others - e.g from the simple obvious vandalism of adding "fred was ere" to more complex items like - someone changed the co-ordinates of Tucumcari Mountain last night, which meant a had to load up both versions of the page in FF3 and click through to try the co-ords in Google Earth so see if I had a vandal or a proper correction (it was the former).  Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:49, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
"Huggle is an application for dealing with vandalism, written in .NET. It was originally developed by Gurch." "Category: Vandalism removal tools". It's a sort of mindless, shoot first and ask questions later type of tool! The POV didn't start with me, it started with the editor of the Life slideshow. All I was doing was documenting it, per EL guidelines. If anything should have been reverted, it's APK's reversion of my comment. Thanks for letting me know the process, though. Kenatipo (talk) 12:24, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
If we didn't have items like Huggle, Twinkle and Vandal Fighter , and of course users willing to devote time to reverting vandals - then you would not have a Wikipedia worth looking at.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Diamond Chess

Hi Ron,

Thanks for your patience and understanding.

Could you go ahead and remove reference to Diamond Chess from chess variants for now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_variant

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimguyer (talk • contribs) 20:47, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

As you wish  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:07, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Signpost: 19 October 2009

Thank you

I appreciate that...maybe I can repay the favor sometime. :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 23:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

No problem, always happy to keep the user pages unsullied.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:49, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Kind Gesture

I will ask you to please talk to me prior to making any changes. Have the respect that I am working on a page. I would dearly appreciate it. Thank you! By the way there are Thousands of pages on Wiki that need to be worked on, that have been ignored for quite some time. Please appreciate those that are working towards completion. Thanks again! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Modelmanager (talk • contribs) 22:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

You cannot delete an AFD template - the discussion page has been created at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/21_Magazine - the template is required until that discussion is closed.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:15, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

The AFD template is unwarranted and not valid my page was confirmed yesterday! Too many editors on here, go purge the thousands of wiki pages that need mass edits that no one is working on. Please, I am trying my best here. Work with me!!! Modelmanager (talk) 22:28, 20 October 2009 (UTC)Modelmanager

Maybe, but it's too late - you cannot delete the template - please make your case on the discussion page.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for looking out for my userpage! Dac04 (talk) 23:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Any time. Thanks for the feedback.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:27, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Knee jerk reverters

I get tried of editors like you did you even bother reading my edit summary did you look at the edit history or the talk page to see the background of Haberstr edits or the fact he reverted any edits done in the past few months to the last time he tried to push his version? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.38.135 (talk) 23:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Other then User:Philip Baird Shearer, if you are based on the September discussion, I don't see much in a way of consensus in regards of those changes even though I agree it should be compressed a bit. JForget 23:37, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I did bother to read the talk page - it was flagged in the edit summary - That section on reduction was only edited by three editors - two for reduction and one not - that is no consensus, you really need some more agreement for large reductions.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:39, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Fazeel2009

I think he was trying to blank the page, so I've replaced it with SD-blank. HalfShadow (talk) 22:37, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe. The page didn't look that bad - a cleanup and some refs might have made a suiable page

Hey

Who r u

Don't make me call admin

U my postings NO —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ceo7 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Could you run that past me again in normal English. Thanks.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:44, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page so quickly Barret (talk) 22:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. Sometimes it can be just luck which pages show on my WP:HG.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

User:ChrisTheDude page

DINT DO NUFFIN M8 Y U HAVIN A GO? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.16.159 (talk) 00:19, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

You deleted a user page, that is not nothing.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Chelsea FC

Chelsea Football Club is not a subject entirely related to Britain. They have a global fanbase and play football throughout the world in places such as Spain, Bulgaria and the United States. Therefore, I don't think the British version of English should be strictly adhered to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.77.106 (talk) 02:02, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry - but Chelsea is a British club. Their home ground is in south London. They may play away, but that does not make them any less British. Therefore the article should be in British English.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 11:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

The implication was clear.

My update was entirely neutral in viewpoint. Beck mentioned Bauer replacing someone in the White House. The obvious implication is Gregory Craig, White House Counsel, even if it isn't true. That's what Beck was implying. There have been rumors of his departure and Bauer happens to be the President's personal lawyer. White House Counsel is an obvious fit. 71.174.40.116 (talk) 22:39, 22 October 2009 (UTC)Kman

It might be an obvious implication, but you cannot put that in a WP:BLP article. All data must be correctly referenced. If you can find a verifiable source that says that, then you could add it in and quote the source.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
The previous line in the page doesn't have a verifiable source, yet there it sits.71.174.40.116 (talk) 23:00, 22 October 2009 (UTC)Kman
True, and you could delete it for that reason if you wish. But that line just says he might have a new job - it does not mention what job, or who might be replaced - and that data might upset that person and it might not even be true.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:40, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Shroud of Turin

Re Shroud of Turin. Yes. Its not going well. I just about died laughing at the comment tho. It does sound like he somehow video confferenced from the great beyond. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lollipopfop (talk • contribs) 00:14, 23 October 2009 (UTC) Sorry, Im very new to Wiki, so I tend to make things worse. And the Shroud article is pretty messed up even by my standards. I do realize that suggesting a video conference from the great beyond isn't going to make it sound more encyclopedia like. I hope you removed that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lollipopfop (talk • contribs) 00:19, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

That's OK. I'm sure you'll get there in the end.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 14:56, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I am not vandal

I am lost and alone and looking for soup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.226.1.229 (talk) 22:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Personal insults to another user is against policy - see WP:ATTACK  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:21, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

sorry i don't speek spanish —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.226.1.229 (talk) 22:24, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I can confirm there is no Spanish on that page.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:27, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Barry Seal

The information on barry seal page is not accurrate.

I was going to source all this work I was doing as I was in the middle of working on the page.

Now all that work is lost. Why did you do this when i was in the middle of working on the page.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.122.24 (talk) 23:00, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Nothing is lost - You can view the old page in the history. WP:BLP articles must have references to support the data at the time that the data is added - you cannot add paragraphs (especially anything negative) and get round to the references later - someone will always revert the page if you do.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:04, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Vlachs of Serbia

Who has right to present Serbian Vlachs as Romanians?! They have their national name, culture, tradition - identity and they are recognized by the Serbian Constitution an Law as Vlachs (Vlasi). The other ethnic group in Serbia are Romanians. Iin Serbia everyone is free to declare whatever nationality it choose in census. SERBIA - Census 2002: Vlachs: 40.054; Romanians: 34.576. So, who gave right to itself to not respect these facts?! This is the act of basic rudeness! VLACHS ARE VLACHS! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.150.114.197 (talk) 23:44, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

You were politely asked by User:Dc76 in the edit summary of his revert of 22:30, 26 October 2009 "please, do discuss such radical changes in the talk page beforehead", as you do not wish to discuss it there, then you should not be surprised at any subsequent reverting.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Contrary to assertions made above by user 91.150.114.197, the Serbian Constitution does not mention Vlachs. The Serbian Constitution only mentions Serbs by name, other ethnic groups simply being referred to as other citizens of the state of Serbia.

Regarding the term Vlach as found in popular usage, in the media, and in government censuses, it is true that in many peoples' minds there is a distinction between Vlachs and Romanians. However Vlach and its variants Wallach, Wallachian, etc are well-known medieval exonyms for Romanians (cf. the medieval Romanian state of Wallachia or Vlachia). Moreover the Vlachs of Serbia, in their own speech, which consists of dialects of Romanian, call themselves Romanian. There is also ample evidence, mentioned in the Wiki article, of a substantial Vlach origin from the adjacent territory of modern Romania. Nevertheless it is also true that most Vlachs of Serbia today do not self-identify with the modern Romanian people or state. This is partly a result of the complete lack of education on Vlach origin, history, language and culture in Serbian schools. There also is no media (papers, TV, radio, etc) or religious services in Vlach, except for one single tiny church in the village of Malajnica near Negotin, under Father Bojan Aleksandrovic, which is under constant political and religious pressure to close down. Because of longstanding assimilationist pressure, only some 16% of the Vlachs of Serbia declared themselves as such in the last census, in 2002. The true number of Vlachs of Serbia is estimated at 250 000. C0gnate (talk) 17:40, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your time in commenting. I think that shows why the IP did not decide to follow the advice given and discuss on the talk page - as (s)he probably knew what the outcome would be.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

User:B3zocdeq8n

HEY WASSAP MAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by B3zocdeq8n (talk • contribs) 01:36, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Nothing is up.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:39, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

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It is purely fact

Rick Goodman

This is not vandalism at all. If you still think so, please give me encyclopedic sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.100.179 (talk) 23:43, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

It your job to provide the references to the data that you add.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:48, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

The links are commercial. In fact, they are total garbage. Thanks for catching the wiktionary removal, though. [1] I removed the links. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 23:28, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

It depends on what you call commercial. The main article does not sell anything so there is no gain there. There is the usual "Google" type ads, which are always a pain. Does that make the link commercial - I would suspect opinion would be divided. I'm certain there are a lot more WP:EL with those sort of "Google" ads.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:32, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
That other garbage exists is not a reason to keep these, so I can't do anything with that arguments. Articles in this area are being created and trashed with links by a small group of users. I'm going to clean a few, starting with sweeping out the garbage. I have no doubt these links will be deemed commercial and not usable by the wikipedia community.
Here, check this out. It describes some details about the types of links that should be used and shouldn't be used. Neither of the links in the article are in categories of the former, and both fit categories of "shouldn't" in multiple ways. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 23:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I've read those before. Having a quick refresh - They might slip in with "Links to be considered"#4. I agree that they do struggle with "Links normally to be avoided"#5 - with respect to the "Amazon"/"Google" content. There is some good data there, just a matter of ignoring the ads (I automatically don't read them, maybe that's just me). As WP:ELs go, I've seen worse, at least there was only two - sometimes I see pages with far too many...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:51, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I've seen lots worst, too. But you work in the dredges, I see from your contributions history. I'd bet you've seen far worse than I have. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 23:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh, yes indeed - if I had a pound for every extra "gay", "pen*s", etc. that gets added, I would rather rich., and I still get it wrong sometimes (but not very often!) - I got totally fooled last night by "http://www.mmafighting.com.au.tt/news/2009/10/29/overturning-controversial-decision-bound-to-cause-more-controversey" - a fake page set up just to vandalize Wikipedia. Fortunately such smart vandals are few and far between.
Good luck with your campaign on better EL.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
I know better than to attempt that foolhardy campaign. I was just going to clean up a few articles. Thanks for all the time you devote to cleaning up crap, but please come up and breathe every now and then. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 00:28, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you.

Thank you for reverting the vandalism done to my talk page. Have a cookie! :) - Zhang He (talk) 00:25, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, always happy to revert a vandalism of a User Page.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't Understand the Rules Because They're Too Hard to Find

Hey bro when I was updating This Romantic Tragedy's Wikipedia section, I thought that there was free right to edit a page. Not to mention I also did this as a joke. So please disregard my activity then. TriadSambo (talk) 21:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I've put some useful links on your talk page. Enjoy a good read.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:50, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. But the Battle of the Bands thing did exist and is a fact so if it's cool, I'm just gonna update it so it says that they did lose to Centaur Rodeo (which is my brother's band: http://www.myspace.com/centaurr0de0) TriadSambo (talk) 21:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Myspace is not WP:RS  Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh ok. I didn't know you couldn't use Myspace as a reliable source. So what can I edit then? Am I even doing this right? Let me know. TriadSambo (talk) 21:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

All content needs to verifiable - see WP:V and the links on that page  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Wack-a-mole

Hey, thanks for the revert on my talk page. This was my first day using Huggle and wow! I felt like I was bailing out a sailboat with a thimble. Amazing. Take care (and try to avoid eye strain!), JohnnyB256 (talk) 23:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

You picked a rather busy night to start! It's usually only half as busy...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks

Hey there. Thanks for reverting the vandalism on the Neighbours article. I leave the page for ten minutes and they, User talk:203.44.180.197, came back. I was just asking the person who placed the 'last warning' notice on the user's talk page what I should do next and you'd already took action. So, thank you (again) for that. :) JuneGloom07 (talk) 01:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome, and I see that "they" are now blocked for a month  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:29, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Question

I have a problem with an user on Eiður Guðjohnsen, he insist the link should be added to an article as Eidur Gudjohnsen and not as Eiður Guðjohnsen. I explained him why it must be added in the original language but he insists that I'm wrong. Could you tell me if I'm wrong or if he's worng? Archibald Leitch (talk) 01:34, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Not really my field - all I can say is that there is no page Eidur Gudjohnsen, that's a redirect to Eiður Guðjohnsen, which is the correct page name, so I would assume one should use Eiður Guðjohnsen, as it's not good practice to link to redirect pages. Maybe post a question at Wikipedia:Help desk as well?  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your fast answer. Archibald Leitch (talk) 01:39, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hans Adalbert Schweigart

Hans Adalbert Schweigart is wrong spelled, and a person is not an institution. I don't know, if it is spelled Hans-Adalbert Schweigart. --Fmrauch (talk) 23:15, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

If it's a person, then you can nominate for a speedy deletion by adding an {{db-a7}} template to the page (see WP:CSD).  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Sotochace

Are you able to undo what User:Sotochace did? I have blocked the user, but I am not familiar enough with the subject to restore what should be. Jeepday (talk) 01:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I think I'm almost there. There was a page move, but as nothing was edited later, I was able to move it back. I'm tidying up the "otheruses" templates at the top of the three pages as they are too confusing as well.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
All done. All three pages refer to a new page I made - Seven Society (disambiguation) at the top, which is a bit better than the original.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
FYI - See User talk:Sotochace JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 11:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks- he did talk to me by e-mail. I think he's just new and rather dived in at the deep end and no lifejacket... I leave him some comments  Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:33, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

regarding the high brooms article.

to be perfectly honest, i actually live in high brooms, so i think i should just give people a warning as to what it truly is - seeing as wikipedia is about giving factual information on a subject. thanks :) 90.215.18.207 (talk) 22:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, but that is just your point of view - Wikipedia has to be written from a neutral point of view.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my user page :-)! StaticGull  Talk  23:07, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Persistent, isn't he.. :-)  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Forced cool-down periods usually work pretty well :).StaticGull  Talk  23:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
So long as he's not on a dynamic address. Everyone should have a static address, but I think we need IPv6 for that.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:TVP I'M ANGRY!!

Why do youkeep reverting?

What is the best place to keep that?

And why don't you read that it's NOT the test? And you let me to put in sand box, Sand box is deleted every 12 hours but the mission is keep running until the end of November.--125.25.81.65 (talk) 23:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Then create an account, and after 4 days and 10 edits (not difficult) you become autoconfirmed, and can create pages in your user space to build up projects - i.e. your personal sandbox, which won't be deleted.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I have an account already. But I just not log in today because I'm not using the main computer right now.--125.25.81.65 (talk) 23:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

You can log in at any computer, not just your main one.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

But this computer is owned by my dad. And if I log in my dad can hack me. (and my dad likes to know everything!)--125.25.81.65 (talk) 23:33, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

You can tell IE / FF not to remember the password, and you can log out when you finish  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:34, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

What is IE/FF?--125.25.81.65 (talk) 23:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

IE - Internet Explorer; FF = Firefox.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:36, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Safety first. If once there is no diaglog box that means MY DAD COULD HACK ANYTIME!!--125.25.81.65 (talk) 23:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

talk:Telewizja Polska Can I delete the last section?

I want to delete it until the answer comes--125.25.81.65 (talk) 23:56, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Urgh. What a mess of a talk page. It should only be for discussions. Let me have a go at sorting it out.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
You seem to have beat me to it...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Bhadve

You are not even an administrator so stop claiming to be one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.163.215.166 (talk) 00:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Could you direct me to where I claim to be an administrator? I don't think so.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my talk page! StaticGull  Talk  23:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Pleased to assist.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:31, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

j'accuse

Gordon Ramsey

you reverted my change, said it was unconstructive, and said I should provide an informative edit summary. My change was constructive, and I did provide an informative edit summary, you simply ignored it. Your lazyness is wasting other wikipedians time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.101.2 (talk) 12:57, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

It was a perfectly viable redirect page according to WP:RCAT - Misspellings. There are thousands of such pages. You changed it to a style which is not normal - so it was reverted. People don't want to be told they spelt the name wrong, they just want to get to the article page.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

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Gerald Ford

Ford was NOTED for the sloppy buttsex he had with Reagan in '76. I leave the edit in. 128.122.88.205 (talk) 00:00, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

You need to add a verifiable reference to do that  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:03, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

i don't understand

i don't understand but i put the real Logo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bo yaser (talk • contribs) 00:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

You blanked out the license data  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:56, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Mike Renaud

SERIOUSLY..U HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THEN EDIT WIKIPEDIA??? I HOPE YOUR GETTING PAID FOR THIS OR ELSE I WOULD SUGGEST ASKING FOR SOME COMPENSATION FOR THE TOTAL LOSS OF TIME YOU SPEND SCANNING THIS WEBSITE! GOODLUCK! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.205.55.58 (talk) 01:00, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

It's tough out there, but someone has to do it.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Admin?

I was impressed with your actions on a recent set of edits we partipated in. A review of your edit history, and comments are also impressive. I have seen your {{User wikipedia/Administrator someday}} and would like to recomend you for admin. Do you think you are ready? JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 16:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Dear Jeepday, is anybody really ready? There is always something new to learn - Wikipedia is an evolving system, one cannot know it all. I do get satisfaction in trying to keep it free of vandalism - although (to quote from above) it does at times seem felt "like one is bailing out a sailboat with a thimble", and I think that the extra powers could be very useful here - sometimes there is quite a wait from making a the report to WP:AIV or WP:RPP before action is taken, and during that time one can often see really heavy vandalism. I have looked at some of the WP:RFA over the months to gauge what is required. My only (slight) concern is that others might not see my edits as being of large enough - I am a scientist, I tend to sticks to facts and not add any woolliness, thus any bits I write tend to be short, I'm not one for writing large volumes of prose - and I suspect never will be. So I tend to do a fair proportion of gnome edits (besides the reverting), plus adding chemical structures and waterway route maps - I would estimate that the waterway route maps probably take the most time (per page) than any other editing - the last one must have taken 8-10 hours editing time (Template:Grand Junction Canal Route Map) - too many fiddly bits - but I think it was worth it as the article page (Grand Junction Canal) is (in my opinion) improved.
Anyway, that aside, if you feel you can propose me, then I will accept, and I thank you for your proposal.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Focus on good answers, and everything should turn out just fine. You have many good qualties and the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#RfA_and_automated_edits... is encouraging. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 16:39, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

LET ME EDIT

I WILL TAKE OF WIKIPEDIA MUAHAHAHAHA AHHAHA AHA

Anyone is welcome to edit, provided the edits are constructive.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Removed prod from Anal-oral contact/history1

I've removed the proposed deletion tag from this redirect, because redirects are not eligible for proposed deletion. Only actual articles and disambiguation pages are eligible. You might want to bring this to WP:RFD instead (I have a feeling it would be deleted). Just letting you know, thanks! -- Atama頭 00:06, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Yaroslav

Adding a lists or russians to this page is inappropriate. He was not a russian there was no Russia at the time. The link to the page with russian rulers is more than enough. Thank you. 63.240.123.12 (talk) 23:43, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

If you think the template is incorrect in calling all these people "Russian", then it's better to get the template correct first - as all those people are linked by that template - I would suggest a posting on the template talk page or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia (as the template is part of that project). If you just continue to remove it, then it's more more than likely that editors from the WikiProject Russia will just put it back again - they will have those pages in their watch list.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Max Mermelstein

Hi Ron,

I see that you have recently updated and added quite a bit of information to the Max Mermelstein page as well as other key figures from this era (Barry Seal, Jon Roberts etc.) How did you learn about Max and where are you getting most of the infomation from for the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thabal (talk • contribs) 04:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to disappoint - but I've not added any data to those pages, I've only been reverting the addition of unsourced content.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 09:26, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

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Deep breath...

... 'cos it's a lil' more than 48 hours to go. I am optimistic for your chances, and I wish for you that, to quote Tolkien, "what should be, shall be." With good humor, Jusdafax 22:52, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. It does seem to have opened up a few can of worms... c'ést la vie.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

You are now an admin

I've closed your RFA as successful, as you know, and I would encourage you to keep the concerns of the opposition in your RFA as points of personal improvement for yourself, and to remain cautious when working in these areas for the moment. Show 'em you can be trusted! If you'd like to test your tools out, you can head to new admin school. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to let me or another admin know. Cheers, bibliomaniac15 00:20, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Your RfA

Congrats! The thing that should not be 23:45, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations as well! ConCompS (Talk to me) 00:01, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments, and I thank all those that commented on the RfA (including the opposes and neutrals - everyone is entitled to their own opinion). It did open up some interesting discussions on edit counts and AfD / BLP policy. For those who might worry that I will stop vandal fighting, don't panic - I will still be there helping out. As I said on the page, the tools will be used very carefully at first - I want to observe and understand the actions of others. I suspect this will be quite a learning curve for me.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:11, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Well done! Crafty (talk) 00:23, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! I never thought this would ever come when you had 33 percent support, but you really beat the odds and have become an administrator. Good luck! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:32, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Congrats Ron! It's a great day for you and Wikipedia... Good Fortunes, always! Jusdafax 00:44, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations. As you noted, don't feel compelled to quickly jump into anything. Make the easy blocks at AIV and watch the fruity cases to see how they play out. Please feel absolutely free to ask any questions! Kuru talk 03:02, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Wikipedia:Section

An article that you have been involved in editing, Wikipedia:Section , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. – imis☂ 01:33, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

RfA

I just wanted to stop by and congratulate you on your adminship. Mkdwtalk 03:49, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Congrats

With all those automated edits, I'm surprised you weren't sent over to WP:BAG for approval *joke*. Congratulations, and don't break the Wiki! davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 00:48, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations mate! Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 00:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Nicely done, and congratulations. - Dank (push to talk) 01:06, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations from one of your opposers. All the best! - Ret.Prof (talk) 01:11, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Congrats on the mop. I've encountered you from time to time on AIV and seen your positive contributions. Look forward to seeing good things from you. Calmer Waters 04:14, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! I stumbled on your RfA at the last minute and glad I had a chance to weigh in. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 15:31, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

A little late, but congrats. I'm glad to see you passed, and I'm sure you'll make good use of the tools. Robofish (talk) 17:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations, Ronhjones. I'm glad the automated edits didn't hold you back. ~YellowFives 18:30, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

congratulations, Ron! A8UDI 01:12, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Michael Craig-Martin

Information.png Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to the page Michael Craig-Martin has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Ronhjones (Talk) 16:57, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Dynamic IP. Nothing to do with me. Goodbye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.5.190.56 (talk) 14:16, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

The joys of using a dynamic IP, one picks up all the warnings for someone else. Please consider creating an account, it won't cost anything, you won't get someone else's messages, and in some ways it is more private (editors cannot tell where in the world you live - unless you decide to say).  Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Eyes

I'm not as busy as usual, so any reply might take a little longer - I've an eye infection, and can't focus too long on the screen  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

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alpha gamma nu

thanks for changing it to underconstruction, as well i saw you added a comment about that page that it was founded in 1953, but that was actually the date that the current "headquarters" or fraternity house was built. again thanks and i appreciate your input. Kevin Merchant (talk) 00:08, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem. The date came from a quick google search which gave me http://www.unl.edu/agn/ as the first hit.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:15, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Talkpage contributions

WHOIS will show the location of the ISP . I will check that out in future, It might have been a coincidence but at the time it seemed to be worth mentioning, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 23:44, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

It fools a lot of people, we Brits like to be different (I suspect it's cheaper for BT not to enable it!). It always fools the US web sites that try to place "local" adverts on a page - it thinks I'm (87.127.178.158) in Telford, when I'm over 150 miles away.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Brandon Walton page

Hello Ron,

I am new to Wiki. Please help me by providing feedback to help me with getting my article published and approved.

Thanks Best Regards, —Preceding unsigned comment added by B2uproductions (talk • contribs) 01:45, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Please read the comments already on your talk page, also look at WP:YFA.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 02:06, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Stephan Pastis

Re: the edit that you reverted with the comment "Reverted addition of dubious unsourced content". That actually wasn't random vandalism, at least not exactly. The source is the 23 November Pearls Before Swine strip, in which Rat vandalises Stephan's WP bio by inserting that false information. See Talk:Stephan Pastis#Info on high school and tattoos should be added. Just in case you were wondering WTF that was about. Thanks for reverting. -- Zsero (talk) 07:01, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Very interesting. I do remember that it was an odd edit that someone had made, but one sees so many weird tricks and edits by vandals that I'm never surprised any more...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:21, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Kyiv and Luhansk

What is wrong with Kyiv and Luhansk? This is a correct transliteration of Ukrainian into English... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.230.29.53 (talk) 00:51, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

The edit made the introduction text not match the page name any more. I would suggest that before your change the text that you get consensus to change the page name first, then all the data will be consistant.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:55, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for explanation. How can I change the page name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pashko 2 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

We don't actually change the page name - we move the page (along with it's talk page) to a new name, and the old page then becomes a redirect to the new page (thus no links get broken). See WP:MOVE for simple moves, if you think that the move may be controversial then you can suggest the move by following the guidelines at WP:RM. Please read those pages and decide what process is best.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:21, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Copy vio

IMO there is a lot more copy vio than that, I suggest having a bit more of a look, if it is still there I will look some more tomorrow, similar written text all uncited...mmmm.? Off2riorob (talk) 03:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

That was the text that matched a search. There may be a little more similar, but the web page is far smaller than the article, so there has to be a good amount of unique text.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 03:15, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
I had a bit more of a look and the rest seems to be fine, thanks. Regards. Off2riorob (talk) 03:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps I over tagged it I am just getting used to the correct templates to use, but at least it got some attention. Off2riorob (talk) 03:25, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
At least you did find perfectly matching text. It had to be addressed.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 03:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 03:27, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

My Name is Khan

Hello Ronhjones - I wonder if I could seek your input. The My Name is Khan article, about an upcoming film, is subject to frequent vandalism. Awhile ago, I put in a request here: Wikipedia:Requests for page protection but did not receive a response either in terms of accept or decline. This film has received a great deal of publicity for quite some time and so I think the article is worth some kind of semi-protection. I would appreciate your feedback on the topic. Regards, -Classicfilms (talk) 17:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I cannot see any entry at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, I did see an entry at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents on 11th August. Unfortunately, if there is no more input on that thread for 24h then it gets archived - which is what has happened - archive. I see 20 or so reverts over the last 2 months, and now someone has just added links to (probably) copyright violation trailers... (reverted).

Should you see a lot of IP in the future then this is what you need to copy and paste into Wikipedia:Requests for page protection 

==== {{la|My Name Is Khan}} ====
'''Semi-protect''' - high level of IP vandals to this page ~~~~

- just after the {{Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/PRheading}} line
I'll do a week's protection for now, and see how it goes - often vandals will find some other page to play with and don't come back.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:57, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

My apologies. I'm not experienced with these requests and mixed the two up. Yes, that is what happened - I was hoping that someone would make the observations you made about protection due to vandalism which is why I thought that is what I had asked for. Anyway, I appreciate your advice and suggestions and the week's worth of protection. I will follow up. Regards, -Classicfilms (talk) 18:03, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
No problem - suggest make a copy of the code above and save as a text file on your PC, ready for future use - this section will be automatically archived in several days, and you will have to hunt for it there! (if you want to copy to your user page, then edit this page and copy from the edit window, so you get the "nowiki" parts as well, otherwise it won't work.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:08, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
You are very helpful, thanks so much. I was thinking the same thing, so I went ahead and copied to one of my talk archives (with previous posts related to this film). Thanks again, -Classicfilms (talk) 18:30, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Whois

Hi, regarding your comment on the Stedman Pearson article the other day, to use Whois for location identification, I had a look one two three four and these four ip look to me to be totally identical, would you please comment regarding that..as I am quite new in looking at these Whois reports would you please comment as to what are the clearest identifiers in the report and what specifically is conclusive, if and when you have time, no worries..no pressure. Off2riorob (talk) 20:51, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm a little confused - those links are all for the same IP address (bad cut and paste?) - I assume you mean the 4 address on the talk page. Personally I always use this site - thus:
http://whois.domaintools.com/79.66.101.199
http://whois.domaintools.com/89.168.119.97
http://whois.domaintools.com/80.41.94.201
http://whois.domaintools.com/80.47.55.228
as I have found that it always works with all IP addresses worldwide, and seems (to me) to give a little more info sometimes.
The main problem is that for years, we have had only one telephone provider (British Telecom), as it was originally government run. So there's only one main system and all other providers have to lease lines from BT. For various privacy reasons, BT will not link personal user location info to the IP address, so what you "see" as location info is usually where the ISP's main equipment is located. So the user of those IP address could be anywhere in the UK.
E.g. if you look at http://whois.domaintools.com/87.127.178.158 (that's my static IP address) it says the location is Telford, and it would say the same for every EntaNet customer in the UK area.
Tiscali is further confounded (in this case) by the fact that Tiscali initially bought up lots of small ISPs in the early years (1998-2005 or so) - so lots of customers (occasional one can spot slight differences in the whois, depending on the original customer), they then got into difficulties and sold to Talk Talk (so all those whois records may soon start to change to Talk Talk - who are even bigger and have quite an aggressive marketing plans - and now have lots of the UK exchanges with Talk Talk LLU, so have a big market share - hence I would expect to see a good proportion of UK users using Tiscali - even though they are only 13th in the ratings http://www.dslzoneuk.net/isp_ratings.php (and I won't be joining them...) Hope that all makes some sense, if anything is unclear, then let me know.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:18, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes that helps a lot thanks for your trouble, I must have flu posting one report four times. Off2riorob (talk) 23:28, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

For this bit of tidying up. Maybe I'll be able to return the favor some day :) See ya 'round Tiderolls 01:01, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

OK, you seem to have made some enemies tonight...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Userpage Shield
I, Eagles247, hereby award Ronhjones this Userpage Shield Barnstar for reverting vandalism by an anti-Semetic bastard on my user page. Thanks! Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:10, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

my attempt at putting in a reference

Hi,

Thanks for cleaning up my (brand new to Wiki) attempt at putting in a reference and link to the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_2018_and_2022_FIFA_World_Cup_bid

The reference I wished to add is http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/world-cup-bid-needs-reality-cheque/story-e6frfifo-1225809729751 but I can't get my head around the Wiki editing instructions on references. Be grateful for some help.

The link which apparently was not allowed is http://barklystend.blogspot.com/2009/12/australian-government-supports-foreign.html I'm not sure why - as it is relevant to the issue? Again I'd be grateful for some advice.

Yours,

pH1979 —Preceding unsigned comment added by PH1979 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

To add a ref - use
<ref>http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/world-cup-bid-needs-reality-cheque/story-e6frfifo-1225809729751 TITLE GOES HERE</ref>
place it after the appropriate text (it will show as a number in brackets when saved), but make sure it goes above the References section which will have either <references/> OR {{reflist}} as the placeholder for the references. As for the other ref, blogs are not allowed as references - see reliable sources  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:26, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

My Article you deleted

Hello , Im Really Sorry About Mistakes That Happened in this Article ,That Was My First One ,I Wonder if you can edit it yourself and write the needed contexts

this is the link for it http://www.jafi.org.il/education/anthology/english/print/E5B-michtav_learavi.pdf

I Think its going to help many people and explain them Great Scientist And Philosopher "Albert Enstien" Point of view about Arab - Israeli Conflicts and the ways to solve it


Accept My Best Regards

Faisal Saeed Al Mutar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faisoly (talk • contribs) 02:54, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

It's just a letter. You will have to decide which article (either present already or to be written) the letter would be useful for. The content of just the letter would not make an article. I would suggest you read the links given to you in your welcome template. You might also like to consider making any new articles in your user space first (i.e a personal sandbox User:Faisoly/Sandbox - I have put the deleted article there for you), where you can work and refine your article to a good quality, before moving it to the main article space.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 03:08, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Ronhjones. You have new messages at Talk:Ratings Percentage Index.
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ACUA

Hi Ronhjones. :) I notice that you removed the CSD tag from the ACUA article after removing some of the content. However, the article still contained two large paragraphs of text that were blatant copyright violations. Please be more careful in the future when you compare the article to the source. Thanks, Theleftorium 19:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that. They changed just enough words so I didn't get a match in searching for short phrases. I'll watch out for those tricks in future.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:11, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
No worries. I certainly know what you mean. :) Theleftorium 20:14, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Government College of Technology, Karachi

Hi. The Copyvio on Government College of Technology, Karachi was a compound one with additional material copied from http://www.gctkarachi.com/html/mainlinks/History.htm so the removal of the first section isn't sufficient. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. That website was not working properly when I tried to access other pages via the menus. May have been down for maintenance, as it works OK now.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:07, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, the connection may be dodgy as I got some timeouts when I was checking it out originally. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 00:11, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Editnotice

Hola, thanks for fixing my edit notice request. Just to make sure, I may have found a mistake at Wikipedia:EDN. It says under the instructions for requesting an editnotice to be made:

Another way to find the link for an editnotice is to:

  • Open the edit window of the page where you want to create an editnotice
  • Place this code on the page: [[{{editnotice pagename}}]]
  • Preview the page and follow the link to the editnotice

By following those instructions, the page would end up at Template:Editnotice FarmVille as I did, rather than Template:Editnotices/Page/FarmVille, correct? Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:22, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I've been playing for 30 mins to get it right, that code is not that helpful - you have to put

[[{{editnotice talkpagename))]]
on the main (FarmVille) page - just preview will do, then you get the correct link (Template talk:Editnotices/Page/FarmVille - which is where I had to move your page to. Then I copy the template part to the "template" page. And then protect the template. Whewww... Still it seems to work!!  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:26, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see what I did wrong now. In the [[{{editnotice pagename}}]] template, I replaced "pagename" with FarmVille instead of just leaving the template as is, which is why it turned up all funky. Silly me. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
When I have a free moment I may change the instructions...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
That would be nice. I'd change it now if I had time, but I've got my biology homework staring at me from my desk. Well, thanks then. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Good luck, I skipped biology, just did chemistry, bad idea, never do a subject that grows faster than you can learn it.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:40, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Heh, biology is certainly a big jump from learning about rocks in middle school. Anyways, Template talk:Editnotice FarmVille should probably be deleted know that it's been moved. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Maryum Jameelah

An article that you have been involved in editing, Maryum Jameelah , has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maryum Jameelah (3rd nomination). Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Codf1977 (talk) 18:02, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks. Abecedare (talk) 19:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

There's more

Take a look at Category:Years of the 19th century in India, a whole bunch of pages should be deleted because the same reason as 2009 in Afghanistan, lack of context. Qajar (talk) 05:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Deleting articles serves no educational or archival purpose at all. People like you need to go away. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.229.51 (talk) 09:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
It depends on the page, e.g what purpose does 1811 in India serve that could not accomplished better and easier to maintain with a category? If people make pages that do not follow the guidelines, then they cannot complain if the page is tagged by a user for deletion.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:24, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

By all means

'Ave a go, please, seriously can't work it out.

Feel free to delete SB3 if it doesn't work out as I wont need it and only created it for this. Cheers, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 22:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I've have a try  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your help so far Ron, I've got to log out for a bit now though and I'll be back in a few hours. Cheers, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 23:01, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Copy from Main Help

You could copy and modify some code from the Infoboxes templates e.g {{Infobox actor}} uses {{infobox}} which in turn uses {{infobox/row}}. Now {{infobox/row}} is the one that does the display, so that needs to be changed to display 4 columns (and add extra fields), then {{infobox}} needs changing to pass 4 parameters to {{infobox/row}}, then the main template based on {{Infobox actor}}, needs the fields you have in your original one. (Of course when I said "change" - I meant change a copy, not the original infobox template!) Hope that makes some sense...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:49, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Damn... was hoping it'd be simpler than that lol, are you saying that if I adjusted (a copy of) {{Infobox/row}} and incorporated it into the template it would stop the grey space showing up? Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 22:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Is anything easy to code? :-) Well it works for Infoboxes - if there is no data then the label and data does not show. As for changing the "row" template - that might be easy - change the number of columns to 4 and the final data to data|data1|data2 (I think). If you want a hand drop a message on my talk page, and I'll have a go (at least I can delete anything that doesn't work!)  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

What a Nighttmare

Gave up on the 3 nested templates idea - it wasn't going to work without a lot of head scratching. I think the problem was trying to use data1|data2|data3 in a field, the "|" means different things inside braces! Then I remembered I made a template without all the nested options {{Infobox aqueduct navigable}}, so I've used that as a basis - much easier to work with. You'll see an example of its output at User:Jeffrey Mall/SB. It's saved at {{Infobox FourColumns}}. I've made it general purpose, so that it could be used in other articles - so all the text (including headers) is added on the article page, also allows for one picture (if required) and an "extra" box - full width at bottom. Let me know what you think.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help Ron, I really appreciate it. I'm going to see if I can adapt or incorporate some of the code from either {{Infobox aqueduct navigable}} or {{Infobox FourColumns}} (or both) into what will hopefully become a standardized filmography template. This is for you, in recognition of all your hard work over the past few hours. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 01:33, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
The da Vinci Barnstar
I present Ronhjones with this barnstar for his hard work and determination to aid me in coding one nightmare of a filmography template. Thank you, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 01:31, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank You. You could just modify {{Infobox FourColumns}}, since you will be the only user (unless someone esle finds a use for one). I've put in 60 lines of fields - I hope that was enough :-)  Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:37, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Some lemon cookies in a cup for you! If you are allergic to lemon cookies, please return them for some File:Grasshoppercupcakes.JPG!

Thank you for beating me to reverting vandalism on my own talk page!  fetchcomms☛ 22:58, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem, can't beat much tonight - too cold outside (-4C), everyone's on the 'net...  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:00, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Heh  fetchcomms☛ 23:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Congrazzles

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Thanks for all your work in Recent Changes... you even rollback everything before I get there :p  IShadowed  ✰  23:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank You. When Huggle is working well, it's not that difficult (I sometimes beat Cluebot on a good day), and the total Huggle revert count of 7 per min at present, is rather smaller than normal  Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Sutter Middle School vs. Folsom Middle School

I would like to get the page for "Sutter Middle School vs. Folsom Middle School" back. It would mean a great deal to the citizens of Folsom, CA and the debate has been a known event in the community for some time now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fathertime767 (talk • contribs) 23:58, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

If you want, I will userfy it for you, but it will need some work, quoting reliable sources, before it will last long in Article space (facebook pages are not reliable sources). Let me know if you want a copy in your user space.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:02, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

I would appreciate a copy of it so that I can edit as needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fathertime767 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

i am osrry

i am verry sorry i am actally disabled and mum says that i can edit wickypedia becos she is busy with a man in her room! until i am fed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.176.126 (talk) 22:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

My Name Is Khan again...

Hi Ronhjones - Sorry to bother you with this again, but I wonder if you could keep My Name Is Khan on your watchlist? The week long protection has expired and non-rs links to videos and so forth are being added. I don't think enough time has passed to post a request for full protection yet but at the same time, it would help if a few more people could watch the page in the meantime. I have reverted this once today and once before on a different day but do not wish to get into an edit war over the issue. Thanks, -Classicfilms (talk) 22:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean. Page now being watched. Last edits reverted and user warned with {{uw-copyright-link}}.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:38, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks so much... -Classicfilms (talk) 22:51, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Magicman77

Thanks, Ron, I was going to remove my warning to magicman77, and I noticed you had already done so. Thanks for cleaning up my mess. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 01:02, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

And I thought I'd warned him... I was wrong, we must have pressed "Q" at the same time, and you beat me  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:05, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

you have a gmail

re what appeared to be a deleted item seems to be srpinging up again - cheers SatuSuro 02:05, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

? A little too cryptic a clue for me... Please expand.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:18, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Ah, the e-mail arrived, now I see.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:48, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Royal Norfolk and Suffolk Yacht Club

The article is such a mess that I think it might be an idea to suggest the article is moved to his user page until it is sorted out? TeapotgeorgeTalk 22:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I gave him/her links to templates and their documentation, I was hoping they would take them up. But feel free to suggest if nothing changes.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Alex Humes

See? If I didn't edit that article, you wouldn't have improved it with more information! Maybe you should thank me next time rather than just send me snarky messages. You could say "thanks for vandalising that! I found it hilarious! But, I've edited it now to make it more informative!!" But no. I won't get that from you at all. This makes me sad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.197.173 (talk) 00:36, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I added nothing, only removed several vandal edits by different editors.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:40, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
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