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Use of the term Illyrian in modern history

Hi. With regard to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_August_6#Category:Use_of_the_term_Illyrian_in_modern_history, how would you suggest that I categorize these articles instead? Because currently we e.g. still have at least Croatia Rediviva and three articles on medieval armorials inside Category:Illyrian movement, which is inappropriate, because they're not about the 19th century movement. --Joy (talk) 08:29, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@Joy, you could create a new category and populate with those articles, or you could simply remove them from the category.
Given that the category was deleted because of SHAREDNAME, it should be sorted out on a case by case basis, there's no one category to move all the articles to. — Qwerfjkltalk 09:29, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Yes, that is fine, but I'm wondering if after reading that discussion do you have a suggestion where do I make it more distinct, and less ostensibly about the name. Do we lose the dogs? Do we lose locations (Ilirska Bistrica)? Do we lose people referred to as Illyrian? Only historical events? Any hints as to how to organize these categories would be welcome. --Joy (talk) 10:24, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
@Joy, what categories are you referring to? I'm not sure I quite follow what you're asking. — Qwerfjkltalk 13:07, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm asking about the content of the category that got deleted. It's no longer there so I imagine it must be impossible to follow, sorry. --Joy (talk) 14:51, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
@Joy, nothing needs to be done with it, which is why the category was deleted. — Qwerfjkltalk 14:55, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
I know that nothing *needs* to be done with it, but as I explained at considerable length in the linked discussion, there is merit to categorizing these topics. Certainly three other people didn't like the previous implementation, but I am convinced there should be some other way to cover at least some of that ground that would not run afoul of the guidelines on overcategorization. --Joy (talk) 14:58, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
@Joy, I'm afraid I mostly deal with closing categories. Perhaps Marcocapelle will be able to help? — Qwerfjkltalk 15:01, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
@Joy: if it is a notable topic, best thing is to write an article about it, in which you can link to already existing articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:23, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl (bot), too

Hello, Qwerfjkl,

I have a question about your bot. Why would it create Draft:Pyrocynical 2? If you look at the page log, you can see that this page is just contunally recreated by blocked accounts doing vandalism. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 04:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

@Liz, I assume it was just edit conflicting, as the page creations always happen within the same minute of it being deleted. — Qwerfjkltalk 06:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl (bot) – DevonFlick

Hey, ummm... well, my only intention with the edit was add a bit of strange (but not exactly unknown or fake) data from a band that i really love. The problem i see is that apparently there are mistakes on the link additon on the Edit Section. If u can, pls explain me how to fix it. The information i added IS REAL, so i don't have bad intentions with the modification. Right? Good afternoon and i wait answers :] — Preceding unsigned comment added by DevonFlick (talkcontribs) 21:56, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@DevonFlick, you seem to have used |title:= instead of |title=. To fix the error just replace the former with the latter. — Qwerfjkltalk 06:41, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Bot work (contd.)

Thanks for all your work with #Bot work above. I just wondered if there was any progress on taking over Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/EnterpriseyBot 10? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:51, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@MSGJ, I haven't finished that bot task yet. Regarding Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/EnterpriseyBot 10, I'm trying to clear out the CfD backlog first of all. Once I finish with that, I'll start work on the bot tasks. — Qwerfjkltalk 10:38, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
@MSGJ, sorry for the delay, I've finally gotten around to this and I have the code mostly working. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:22, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Great! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:11, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
@MSGJ, can you create a tracking category for this? Currently the only method I have to to check all talk pages of redirects, which is not very efficient. — Qwerfjkltalk 17:28, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
We've got Category:Articles with conflicting quality ratings but we can make one more specific to redirects if that would be useful — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:46, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
@MSGJ, that category looks good to me. Thanks. — Qwerfjkltalk 09:42, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

This is a redirect, classified as stub by the bot. - Altenmann >talk 16:08, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

@Altenmann, seems a minor issue to me. (Probably because of the prod it's not technically a redirect.) — Qwerfjkltalk 16:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #590

Tech News: 2023-34

15:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl (bot) – Kahtar

Page: Onna

Diff: Special:Diff/1171351067

Comment/question: Please stop your bot from editing a page which is a redirect ~ my talk page is a redirect because i don't use it. Your bot should recognise this and respect it. In addition, it is not clear what the problem is with the edits; this is at least the second time Qwerfjkl bot has claimed an error, but the edits are compliant with the requirements of the CS1 referencing templates, so i don't understand the message. Thank you. Happy days, ~ LindsayHello 16:59, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

@LindsayH, that the bot is editing a redirect is indeed a bug and I will fix that within a few days (unfortunately you've caught me at a bad time, but I'll try to fix that soon). The error your edit introduced isn't your fault, but rather, you changed one of the references to
<ref>{{cite web |website=www.premiumtimesng.com |url=https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/221870-special-report-nigerias-oil-rich-communities-abandoned-shocking-poverty-despite-huge-wealth.html?tztc=1}}</ref>

The edit filled out the |url=, causing the citation template to detect that it had a URL with no title, which triggered the error. The error may be easier to spot in the references section of the article, Onna.
Hope that helps! — Qwerfjkltalk 20:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Brilliant! Thanks for the explanation ~ i looked and relooked at the diff trying to work out what i had done, parsing and reparsing the parameters and contents; nothing seemed any different from the thousands of other CS1 edits Kahtar has made. Now i understand, i'll pop back to Onna and see if i can find the title for the ref. Thanks again! Happy days, ~ LindsayHello 06:14, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Please stop your bot from editing a page which is a redirect

I don't know whether this is related to the previous report, but I'm tiring of needing to revert your bot's "Adding {{WikiProject banner shell}}; automatically assessed class as Stub (Task 19)" edits; redirects are not stubs: DIFF, DIFF, and DIFF. Thanks, wbm1058 (talk) 13:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Wbm1058, it isn't related the the above report. It is due to the length of time the bot takes to process articles; I'm ran the query it uses a while ago, and during the time the article it was going to edit was modified.
This won't happen again because the task is finished, and if I ever run it again, the number of pages it would need to edit would be likely much smaller. Admittably I should have built better error checking into the code, I didn't expect much change on these talk pages, so hopefully there shouldn't be to many errors of this kind.
Sorry for any trouble this caused you. — Qwerfjkltalk 20:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

FYI: This discussion got lost, and only the first category was tagged. I implemented the merge of that one yesterday night, apparently without noticing the other categories which are now in limbo. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:22, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello - I see that the discussion has been closed. Now, how do we go about actually moving the category? Thx. Gjs238 (talk) 12:09, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Gjs238, don't woorry about that. I'll take care of it, within a few days. — Qwerfjkltalk 13:29, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Relisting long CFD

About relisting Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_July_28#Category:Association_football_people_by_prefecture_in_Japan with another collapsed section: if you want to do it that way, it's best to put it at the bottom of a CFD log page (like it currently is), otherwise the collapsing may make it hard to view other sections on some browsers.

Another way to do it is to list a few sample lines and put the full list on the talk page.

Feel free to cut our conversation about relisting from the CFD and paste it here instead. – Fayenatic London 15:19, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

@Fayenatic london, yes, I think the latter would be best. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:23, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #591

Qwerfjkl (bot) – PearlyGigs

Page: Alex_Greenwood

Diff: Special:Diff/1172832138

Comment/question: I'm not sure why this problem was reported as it arose from the same error (a missing title parameter) as in the previous report and, also, the citation was not a bare url. Possible reporting bug? I've fixed the problem by adding the source title. Thanks.

PearlyGigs (talk) 19:22, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

@PearlyGigs, the edit introduced two errors, a bare URL error and a missing title error. These errors frequently occur in the same edit, so normally they would be handled together and the bot would have notified you of one error. For some reason there seems to have been a delay, as it have a notification almost immediately after about the same edit. This is probably due to some kind of lag somewhere, but it seems a rare occurrence so I don't think there's much I can do about it. — Qwerfjkltalk 20:43, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Qwerfjkl. That's fine. It seemed an oddity and I thought you should know about it. Thanks for looking into it. PearlyGigs (talk) 23:04, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 August 2023

Qwerfjkl (bot): Notifying users of reference errors failure - fixed

Qwerfjkl (bot)'s task "Notifying users of reference errors" failed to run per the configuration specified at Wikipedia:Bot activity monitor/Configurations. Detected only 0 edits in the last 1 day, whereas at least 1 was expected. If/when the issue is fixed, please change the section title (e.g. append " - Fixed") or remove this section completely. When that is done, this notice will be reposted if the bot task is still broken or is re-broken. If your bot is behaving as expected, then you may want to modify the task configuration instead. Or to unsubscribe from bot failure notifications, remove the |notify= parameter from the {{/task}} template. Thanks! – SDZeroBot (talk) 06:20, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl (bot): Notifying users of reference errors failure - fixed 2

Qwerfjkl (bot)'s task "Notifying users of reference errors" failed to run per the configuration specified at Wikipedia:Bot activity monitor/Configurations. Detected only 0 edits in the last 1 day, whereas at least 1 was expected. If/when the issue is fixed, please change the section title (e.g. append " - Fixed") or remove this section completely. When that is done, this notice will be reposted if the bot task is still broken or is re-broken. If your bot is behaving as expected, then you may want to modify the task configuration instead. Or to unsubscribe from bot failure notifications, remove the |notify= parameter from the {{/task}} template. Thanks! – SDZeroBot (talk) 13:20, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh well. Guess I need to wait for the bot to edit. — Qwerfjkltalk 13:21, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2023).

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Question from Runnnggg on Telephone numbers in Bangladesh (20:12, 1 September 2023)

+8809638945790 --Runnnggg (talk) 20:13, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

@Runnnggg, do you have a question? — Qwerfjkltalk 20:14, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #592

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I dont understand

why your bot is still operating - there are so many errors! is there something an editor needs to know why you are still running it? JarrahTree 10:44, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@JarrahTree, which task are you referring to, and what erros? Diffs would help. — Qwerfjkltalk 11:34, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Australian cricket annual seasons - are not politics in oceania, however you might try to convince me -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:1947%E2%80%9348_Sheffield_Shield_season
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:1949%E2%80%9350_Sheffield_Shield_season

JarrahTree 11:57, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@JarrahTree, correct. Those edits happened over 2 months ago, however. The task is now finished. I also turned off the ORES wikiproject detection because it was too unreliable. — Qwerfjkltalk 14:00, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

For the note - almost all of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Oceania_articles is full of totally wrong project tags JarrahTree 10:37, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@JarrahTree, yes, I was editing 200,000 pages, I expected there to be some false positives. As I founf the rate was too high, I stopped tagging wikiprojects. Would you like me to go through and undo the bot's edits on pages in that category? — Qwerfjkltalk 15:25, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
nah dont bother - the discovery process is a useful practice - no big deal, thanks for explaining what happened, understanding what went wrong is as interesting as fixing the problems... JarrahTree 00:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl (bot) – Pranesh_Ravikumar

Page: Timeline_of_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict_in_2023

Diff:https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/137376 Special:Diff/1173900662

Automatic citations not working so added manual

Pranesh Ravikumar (talk) 03:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pranesh Ravikumar, you can read the source and manually give it a title. For example, in this case, |title=Israeli police kill Palestinian child, 14, in Jerusalem would do nicely. — Qwerfjkltalk 17:13, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Question from Pooprager (09:08, 8 September 2023)

how do i make my own artical ? --Pooprager (talk) 09:08, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Indefinitely blocked. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:03, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

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Qwerfjkl (bot) – Phoenixupdate

Page: List_of_best-selling_albums_in_the_Philippines

Diff: Special:Diff/1174240006

Comment/question: Hello. Regarding the edits that I made, I just manually reverted my edits to the first one that I hadn't previously edited. So I think I am not the one who has made errors there. Thank you!

Phoenixupdate (talk) 03:42, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello again! I just edited the reference that has an error. Phoenixupdate (talk) 03:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
@Phoenixupdate, the bot should have ignored that edit as it was tagged with manual revert. I'll fix that soon. — Qwerfjkltalk 06:55, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 Done, might take a bit for the change to take effect. — Qwerfjkltalk 10:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Greenvillette (07:59, 8 September 2023)

I am new in Wikipedia, My edits were reverted, I have done minor edits like one line or two lines , those information was not wrong , But I don't know why they were reverted, my only intention was to contribute by writing. Because Wikipedia has been helping not only me rather all ,from a long time by its vast informations.Thanks for reading. --Greenvillette (talk) 07:59, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

@Greenvillette, your edits were of poor quality, for example this one on Itihas (2002 film) had mutilple spelling and punctuation errors and contained irrelevant information. Here Materialscientist said in their edit summary that they reverted you for not citing sources, and reverted you again when you redid the edit. You can always ask the person who reverted you to explain why, but they will be unwilling to help you if you edit disruptively like this, and continue re-editing once reverted. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:03, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Where can I get all guidelines regarding editing Wikipedia pages?? Greenvillette (talk) 02:29, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
@Greenvillette, WP:PG contains links to the lists of guidelines and policies. — Qwerfjkltalk 06:52, 10 September 2023 (UTC)