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Hello, Qwerfjkl,

Your relisting comment on this CFD discussion says that you originally closed it as "Delete". Did you put in a request for the JJMC89bot to empty this category because of this closure? Because that's what happened. It now looks like there might be a number of editors who want to retain this category so could you revert that bot request to repopulate this category? Thank you. Liz Read! Talk!

Hi Liz,
I explained this in my relisting comment:
I originally closed this as delete. After some discussion on my talk page, I believe it is more appropriate to relist this discussion. If there is not consensus to delete the category, it should be restored when this discussion is closed.— Qwerfjkltalk 07:33, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

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OUN members

Hi, can you elaborate why did you close Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 11#Category:Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists politicians as listfy and removed entire category? There was no clear consensus for such an option. Marcelus (talk) 14:17, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

@Marcelus, there wqas consensus that membership was not defining, ass all users except you agreed, and you arguments were weak. There were issues with both of the renames (DEFINING, ARBITRARYCAT, and so jc37's solution, namely listification, had stronger consensus than any of the alternatives. As the current name has a problem, I could not close it as no consensus, so I closed it with the option with strongest consensus, listification. — Qwerfjkltalk 14:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
They weren't weak, we have Category:Ukrainian politicians by party, it's normal to categorize people by their political affilation. I don't really understand arguments of others, OUN membership is as defining as any other party. As I said there was no consensus to remove the category. Marcelus (talk) 14:36, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
@Marcelus, there was consensus that it wasn't defining, even if you disagree with that. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:14, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Look, there is no consensus that membership in political organisation isn't defyining. So the claims made during the move discussion has no basis. Marcelus (talk) 12:47, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
@Marcelus, I'm sorry, but that's not how I read consensus, as I explained above. There isn't much more I can say. — Qwerfjkltalk 17:32, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

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Bad bot banners

I have recently seen your bot add WikiProject Science banners to articles that are about technology or mathematics rather than science. Additionally it is using a banner shell for articles that do not need a banner shell because they have only one banner. Please make it stop. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:46, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

@David Eppstein, the banner shell should be added to all articles - note the discussion at the BRFA. The incorrect WikiProjects is because the bot uses mw:ORES, whcih isn't always accurate. — Qwerfjkltalk 07:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
As a note, it also seems to (well, ORES seems to) default to video games for articles that are really about board games or card games. Not a major deal, just something to keep in mind if there's a second iteration of the bot. --PresN 18:03, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
I think it's just ORES being inaccurate. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:06, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Just in case

FYI Talk:1962 Brisbane Rugby League season

04:01, 30 June 2023 Qwerfjkl (bot) talk contribs 104 bytes +104 Adding {{WikiProject banner shell}}; automatically added WikiProject(s): {{WikiProject Oceania}}, {{WikiProject Politics}} (Task 19) has been hit with assessment tags that dont fit - trust all is well JarrahTree 15:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@JarrahTree, probably nothing to worry about (you can remove the WikiProjects if you want). — Qwerfjkltalk 17:33, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
I am sorry I am not sure what is going on here, Talk:1934 Brisbane Rugby League season is nothing to worry about?
Are the rugby season articles staying with the incorrect tagging? JarrahTree 00:57, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Oceanian politics is relevant to Brisbane rugby seasons? or am I missing something JarrahTree 00:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
@JarrahTree, no, it's not. The WikiProjects tagged are not always correct. — Qwerfjkltalk 07:18, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
@JarrahTree: It's clear from other threads on this page that Qwerfjkl cares little about fixing up the mess that they're creating, and so we need to do it ourselves. Like this. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:11, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

crons

Hi. To continue our discussion regarding crons, and yaml files: the toolforge guide at wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Jobs framework explains how to use yaml files. For a few months I used this type of single yaml file to list all the jobs, but since last 3-4 months, I have been using the yaml files in format described at User:Novem Linguae/Essays/Toolforge bot tutorial#Example cronjobs.yaml. Till now, I did not have any problem with any scripts, this one was the first incident. Interestingly, even that particular script's previous versions (with non-significant differences) worked fine. I think it was one time glitch, or my file's format/encoding was off. —usernamekiran (talk) 12:12, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran, in that case, if it's working fine now, then it's probably nothing to worry about/ — Qwerfjkltalk 14:42, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
I actually did not try it again, I simply stopped, and ran that particular script from my local computer. Lets if something similar happens again. Till then, see you around :-) —usernamekiran (talk) 16:48, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl (bot) – Qwerfjkl_(bot)

List of awards and honors received by Katalin Karikó $1

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1151993498 $2

A possibly erroneous deletion:

Ear-phone (talk) 09:54, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ear-phone, the error is present because you didn't use the |journal= parameter. — Qwerfjkltalk 11:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Ok. TY. This is an edit made from mobile using a Wikimedia reference generator. Ear-phone (talk) 13:26, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Creators, again

I asked about this before. I would like a list of creators of the 300+ categories which I nominated at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 13/Expatriates A-G say. Ideally I would like to be able to do this myself, but am baffled by scripts (unless a button pops up on my edit bar to run them). Ideally again the list would be of the form

  1. Category:Afghan emigrants to Iraq (user:Mar4d)
  2. Category:Afghan emigrants to Ireland (user:StickeyWicket)

I could of course do it by copy and paste but it would take several hours. — Oculi (talk) 16:40, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

@Oculi, I could tag them all if that's the end goal (and notify the creators), otherwise I'd have to modify my current script. — Qwerfjkltalk 08:52, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
The end goal in this case has been reached. One would like to know who created the categories before listing them at cfd, as some editors are more equal than others. (I usually use AWB to tag more than say 10 and have no idea who created what.) Oculi (talk) 09:31, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
@Oculi, there's no easy way for me to do that, unfortunately. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:00, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

auto

Hi there. I noticed that your bot is adding |auto= but not every project banner supports this parameter. For example on Talk:Bute Merthyr Colliery it is identified as an unknown parameter. Is there a way to avoid this? I guess it is difficult for the bot to know which templates support it and which do not. I still think we should add the auto parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}} but that didn't get much support. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:47, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

@MSGJ, yes, I changed it so that it will instead add an invisible comment. See, for example, Talk:Football Cup of the Russian SFSR. — Qwerfjkltalk 10:24, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Auto was such a good idea because an editor could see why the article has such a strange WikiProject. With categories the bot could be checked afterwards with categories like Category:Automatically assessed Chemistry articles. Now we have invisible comments which are not removed when somebody edits the talk page with scripts (or just do not remove it). E.g. [6]. Christian75 (talk) 09:58, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
@Christian75, there's nothing I can really do about this. — Qwerfjkltalk 11:29, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Bot Creator Barnstar
Qwerfjkl (bot)'s CS1 error notification task is a) very useful and b) brilliant. Well done! Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 18:27, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


Question from DiaX1 (20:44, 15 July 2023)

Can i put my biography, on Wikipedia?? --DiaX1 (talk) 20:45, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

@DiaX1: No, see Wikipedia:Autobiography. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:13, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 July 2023

Descriptions switched for Task 19 and 20 on User:Qwerfjkl (bot) page

From what I understand, this edit Special:Permalink/1165557542 which added Central America (which isn't relevant AFAICT) is within the probability tolerances of what the bot claims to do so is probably fine. It's what prompted me to check the bot and I noticed the descriptions of Task 19 and Task 20 are switched on the User:Qwerfjkl (bot) page. The edit was correctly tagged and link as Task 19 = "Tag untagged talk pages with {{WikiProject banner shell}}.", but the bot page table has Task 19 as "Expand a specific reference." The table is incorrect, and confused me in figuring out what the bot thought it was doing. To be clear: I think the bot action, while slightly off in this case, is (probably) fine, it's the documentation page which has the confusing error. Thanks! Salpynx (talk) 02:33, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

@Salpynx, hmm, think I made a mistake because task 20 was approved first. I've fixed it anyhow. Feel free to edit the bot's userpage to fix obvious errors like this one. — Qwerfjkltalk 09:54, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, can you please let me know how you created the list here? I'd like to create similar lists, but I do not know how to. I know there is a wiki search option in AWB, but it seems to return a lot of false results, while yours were perfect. Thanks! CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {CX}) 14:25, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@CX Zoom, I used WP:JWB, but I'm fairly sure AWB should give the same results. I just used the list from search option, using this search. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:34, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, JWB worked great. Donno why AWB breaks. CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {CX}) 17:47, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

I've done wikipedia editing before but now i have one question

Is it posible to still edit wikipedia pages with all of its features (eg. footnotes, links to other pages inside and outside of wikipedia, etc.) on an e-reader (more specifically a kindle paperwhite 10th generation)? I've edited articles on an ipad (via a different account) before but now that i'm doing this on a different device, I would prefer to know if it is even possible in it's even possible in it's totality on a different device so I have turned to you (a far more experienced editor than i am) for more information on this topic — Preceding unsigned comment added by FunnyLickManStudios (talkcontribs) 04:01, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

@FunnyLickManStudios, I would assume it's possible, but I've never tried to do so. You could simply try it to see if it works, or you could ask at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). — Qwerfjkltalk 08:21, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Invalid Linter fix from December 2021

I hope that your script has been updated since this December 2021 edit. I ran into the same problem: font tags without # before the color hex text works, but span tags require the #. I had to adjust my script. I have fixed this page, but if you think there may be others out there, you might look into fixing them. I submitted an AWB request when I discovered my error, and the pages were fixed by a helpful gnome. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:21, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@Jonesey95, I believe I was using your script. — Qwerfjkltalk 08:19, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Ironic. So it goes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:30, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
This search times out, but finds a few hundred pages, maybe a couple thousand. It looks like it's not all our fault, though; nothing prevents editors from putting an invalid color specification in their signature. Also, we have both discussed this before, just 12 months ago. It looks like the task was partly done but never completed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:37, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
@Jonesey95, I seem to reall running Bandersnatch on this and for some reason it didn't catch all the articles. I might try finishing it off some time. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:01, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Relisted CfDs linking to wrong date

Some recent CfD relistings appear to be linking to the wrong page (example). Could you check if this is an error with XFDcloser or something else? —Paul 012 (talk) 07:12, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

@Paul 012, I'd says that's a bug with XFDCloser. The relisting link is correct, but the discussion is moved to the wrong date (the 18th) and the summary also links to the 18th. I suspect the relsit link is only correct (the 19th) because it substitutes a template, instead of using what it thinks is the current day. — Qwerfjkltalk 08:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Banners

@Qwerfjkl Hi, I've noticed that you recently added banners to the talk pages of articles I've started. Many thanks for that. In detail, you added {{WikiProject Asia}}, {{WikiProject Film}} and {{WikiProject Literature}} banners to pages on Japanese films and Japanese novels/literary works (which are my primary fields). Wouldn't it be better to add more specific {{WikiProject Japan |class= |importance=}}, {{WikiProject Film |class= |Japanese=y}} and {{WikiProject Novels |class= |importance=}} banners? Robert Kerber (talk) 12:56, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

@Robert Kerber, yes, it would be, but this one done automatically through my bot, User:Qwerfjkl (bot). — Qwerfjkltalk 14:46, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Renom appropriate?

Hi Qwerfjkl, thanks for so much of the work you've been doing lately! It is genuinely satisfying to see when people agree with my proposals and you draw that conclusion, or that I am persuaded by alternative proposals and we are able to reach a different consensus than I had planned, but am quite happy with. It allows me to continue doing more work on this wonderful project. :)

I see you recently closed Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 29#Category:German chronicles as No Consensus; I guess that's fine, I kinda made a mess out of the many options. But the next day you closed Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 3#Category:German chroniclers as Merge to Category:Chroniclers from the Holy Roman Empire. That creates a pretty compelling precedent to renominate Category:German chronicles for Alt 1 proposal: Rename to Category:Chronicles about the Holy Roman Empire. This is what Marcocapelle !voted for, and I was ready to accept with some hesitation, and nobody else really voted. Especially now with the closely related cat being renamed thus, I am convinced this is the way to go.

But is it appropriate to renom a cat that has been closed so recently? I don't want to make it look like I do not accept the closure you have performed, I do. But this time I will have only 1 option and I know Marco will support it, so I think we can reach consensus this time. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:03, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

@Nederlandse Leeuw, if I close a nomination as no consensus then I encourage you to reopen it. Generally, I'd discourage nominations with multiple different options, as it tends to lead to a train wreck. It is easier to reach a clear consensus when there is only one option.
In short, go ahead and renominate it. — Qwerfjkltalk 14:50, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Okay thanks! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:04, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

CFD closures

Hello, Qwerfjkl,

Could you leave a more detailed closure statement when you close CFD discussions? I came across some tagged categories and was looking at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 7#Category:Two-time VFL/AFL Premiership players where you said the categories were being Merged but it would be helpful to mention the Merge targets in your closure statement so one doesn't have to read through the entire discussion to figure out what is going to happen.

I don't think this would take much additional time on your part and you don't have to list each category, just summarize and mention the Merge targets in your closure. I hope you can do this with your future CFD closures that are a little complicated like this one. Thank you for all of your contributions to the project! Liz Read! Talk! 17:21, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

The reason why this particular incident caught my eye is that Category:VFL/AFL Premiership players and Category:VFL/AFL Premiership coaches are tagged for CSD C1 speedy deletion but it looks like they will be Merge target categories according to this closure and shouldn't be deleted. Is this your understanding as well? Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 17:25, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi Liz, I tend to only include the target if there are multiple alternative targets in the discussion, but I can try to be clearer if that helps to understand the closure.
Those categories will be populated once the closure is processed and accordingly shouldn't be deleted, as you say. Qwerfjkltalk 20:30, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

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I do not see a consensus for a rename here. Quite the opposite. Srnec (talk) 04:04, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

@Srnec, almost everybody in the nomination supported that rename target, including you. — Qwerfjkltalk 07:01, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
I most certainly did not. I wrote The main article is 'rulers' and, given the variety of titles, that seems best. Nor did Deacon of Pndapetzim. Srnec (talk) 18:11, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
@Srnec, I see. I'm afraid I misunderstood your comment there. In light of that, I think relisting the discussion is the correct action. I'll revert my closure and relist it instead. — Qwerfjkltalk 20:39, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Where are you now , come right now she's not here 23.186.80.194 (talk) 23:43, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

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Qwerfjkl (bot) – 163.152.82.202

Page: Neil_E._Schore

Diff: 1167173478

Comment/question: Must be a false positive

163.152.82.202 (talk) 05:07, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

163.152.82.202, you added
<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://cen.acs.org/articles/90/web/2012/11/Nicholas-Turro-Dies-74.html |access-date=2023-07-26 |website=cen.acs.org}}</ref>

which is missing a |title=. — Qwerfjkltalk 06:58, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello Qwerfjkl,

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Incorrect WikiProject added by bot

The bot has added Talk:2023 Tour de France Femmes, Stage 1 to Stage 8 to WikiProject Biography, but it's not a biographical article, it's about a cycle race in France. Why did it do this? Joseph2302 (talk) 07:17, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

@Joseph2302, because it uses mw:ORES which is not always accurate. — Qwerfjkltalk 08:53, 27 July 2023 (UTC)