User talk:Peter I. Vardy/Archive 27

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Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge

Hi there. I've started a new initiative, the Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge. It's a long term goal to bring about 10,000 article improvements to the UK and Ireland. Through two contests involving just six or seven weeks of editing so far we've produced over 1500 improvements. Long term if we have more people chipping it and adding articles they've edited independently as well from all areas of the UK then reaching that target is all possible. I think it would be an amazing achievement to see 10,000 article improvements by editors chipping in. If you support this and think you might want to contribute towards this long term please sign up in the Contributors section. No obligations, just post work on anything you feel like whenever you want, though try to avoid basic stubs if possible as we're trying to reduce the overall stub count and improve general comprehension and quality. So if you're working on Cheshire listing buildings or whatever anyway, just add the entries you work on to the list! Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:09, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Not interested, even though you're working on northwest articles anyway?♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:24, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

It's nothing to do with "not interested". I'm fully occupied in compiling lists of listed buildings in the northwest (I seem to remember your saying in the past that every parish should have such a list - well I'm doing it!). If you look on my user page you will see that Cheshire, Merseyside, and Lancashire are now complete, and I am well into Cumbria. From what date does this "Challenge" start? If it is some time in the past, you have literally hundreds of lists. If it starts around now, you will have to wait, as I am working through Appleby-in-Westmorland, which has over 140 listed buildings to identify, locate and describe. Do lists count in the Challenge? If so, I'll add this when it's complete, but it will be a few days yet. And I don't see why I should interrupt my own project for somebody else's. The present state of play is at User:Peter I. Vardy/sandbox-13, if you're interested in what I am doing. I think I am doing my bit for the northwest. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:22, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for adding Listed buildings in Askham, Cumbria to Blofeld's 10,000 challenge, and many more thanks for compiling the list. I concur that you are doing your bit for the northwest in producing very high quality work such as Askham (and I'm aware of your others). A benefit of the 10,000 is in it surfacing articles so that appreciation may be shown to those who toil, as you do, on magnificent creations like Askham; and another is to encourage others to emulate your standards. These probably count as good things. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:53, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

And thanks to you for the message. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:57, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Editor of the Week [24 September 2016]

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Listed buildings in Hoyland Milton

Hello Peter, thanks for all the hard work on producing the lists. Minor problem with the latest one Listed buildings in Hoyland Milton which has reference to Historic England number 1151097 but this does not appear to be used. Is the reference required and an entry missing from the list? Keith D (talk) 20:05, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that; it's good to have someone doing the checking that I should have done myself. I guess that on one occasion I clicked "cut" rather than "copy". Please continue to keep an eye on things. Cheers, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 07:43, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Merged parish

Hallo, Listed buildings in Skelsmergh and Listed buildings in Scalthwaiterigg could do with being merged, as the parishes combined on 1 April 2015. I've just created Skelsmergh and Scalthwaiterigg. I might have merged the two lists myself, but was wary of upsetting the system which creates the maps etc, so thought I'd best leave it to you. PamD 21:05, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Pam. Will do. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:18, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. When done, please could you either let me know or update the "See also" of Skelsmergh and Scalthwaiterigg where it needs a mention. PamD 08:28, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Sure. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

List problem

Hello Peter,

Looks like a problem with Listed buildings in Hatfield, South Yorkshire. The entry for "Milepost near Manor House" is incomplete as it ends with the word "and". My guess is that the reference for 1192542 should appear there. Keith D (talk) 23:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting it. Corrected. Keep up the good work of checking! --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:33, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

help on 1949 English perspective

Hi Peter, glad to see you're still v. active. Hey, I wonder if you could help on some issues in development of Draft:St. George's Episcopal Memorial Church, about a church built in 1949 in the US state of North Dakota, which incorporated recycled stained glass from churches in SE England bombed in WWII, being developed by User:MB (all credit for current article is owed to them). The topic seems extraordinary to me; I have never heard of anything like it. Pls. see discussion at Draft talk:St. George's Episcopal Memorial Church. I wonder if you might have access to England-level or more narrowly local newspapers or other sources which might reflect any response/reaction to the American church's effort? Or any parties due credit for supporting the effort? And/or any news/evidence that stained glass shards from bombed out churches used in any other projects in England or elsewhere? --Doncram (talk) 01:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello; fascinating. I don't have any knowledge of any English sources, but on a Google search I came across 1 and 2 - both relating to US, but it sounds like such use of stained glass did happen. IMO it is entirely feasible. Does this help? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:56, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Doncram: Hi Doncram and Peter; I couldn't help noticing this on my Watchlist and the title intrigued me! This immediately rang a bell, and I remembered that in the research I did for the Cox & Barnard stained glass company I found out that they were responsible for windows at a church in Canada using the same techniques, at the suggestion of a Canadian army chaplain. The full details, and the sources I used (one of which is online, the other being a book I have), are in the last paragraph of the "History" section in that article. I haven't got a chance to review the sources now, but there may be some more useful information there. I note from the draft article linked above that there was a link between the stained glass designers at that church and the Cox & Barnard firm, which might be worth exploring. Cheers, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 10:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Category:Scheduled Ancient Monuments in Herefordshire has been nominated for renaming

Category:Scheduled Ancient Monuments in Herefordshire has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RobinYad (talk) 20:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Final on Listed buildings in Laughton en le Morthen

On Listed buildings in Laughton en le Morthen entry for "Gateway, Old Hall Farm" can you check whether final is intended or should that be finial?— Rod ^talk 13:46, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Rod - yes, a typo which I have corrected. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:12, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Listed buildings in South Yorkshire

Afternoon Peter, glad to see you’re keeping well, and productive!, as the pandemic continues to swirl around us. We’re working on parallel paths just now, as I’ve been adding the listed structures to the Wentworth Woodhouse article. I think there’s a minor cut-and-paste error in your South Yorkshire lists - when I look on the South Yorkshire section on your home page, and hover over “Rotherham (Hoober Ward)” it takes me to the “Rotherham (Boston Castle ward)”. Easily fixed I think, but I hesitate to do it myself. Have you yet done the South Yorkshire district that covers Wentworth Woodhouse? I was wanting to use it as a cross-check, given that I’m bound to have missed something. All the very best. KJP1 (talk) 13:55, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Good to hear from you, and Happy New Year. I have been going out very little for nearly 2 years, so more Wiki-time. Thanks for spotting the silly error - corrected easily, as you say. I have been working through the Rotherham MB in alphabetical order, so have not yet arrived at Wentworth. But I can easily do that next, when I have completed Rotherham (west). --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

And a Happy New Year to you. If it were possible to bump the Rotherham (Wentworth) list up the order of precedence, I’d greatly appreciate it. There are just so many listed structures on and around the Wentworth Woodhouse estate, I’m bound to have overlooked a couple. Obviously, I’m only wanting the ones linked to the Rockinghams, but it would greatly help to have your list as a cross reference. Take care. KJP1 (talk) 14:20, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

@KJP1: Listed buildings in Wentworth, South Yorkshire has been completed and uploaded. Hope it is of some use. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:04, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Peter - much appreciated. Just as soon as I've finished the last redlink in the List of works by Edwin Lutyens, I shall do a cross-check with the Wentworth Woodhouse article. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 11:33, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Listed buildings in Sheffield

As you've now nearly finished the rest of South Yorkshire, I wondered what your plans are for Sheffield? Checking the old articles, I realise that I never wrote one to cover S36, which is based around the Stocksbridge parish. There are also a few buildings in other districts - especially S35 - which are outside the Sheffield district and so appear on other lists you've written, so there could be opportunities to tidy that up, as well as potentially improving the lists, if you're interested. Warofdreams talk 02:22, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, this has been a concern of mine for some time. A while ago I decided that as most LBs in Sheffield are already covered, and that to try to cover them all in the style I have adopted would take a long time, so I will leave them as they are, and move on. I have decided that when I have finished S Yorks, I will go on to Derbyshire, which has no lists. I received the Derbyshire Pevsner as a Christmas present from my family, I have made a sort of commitment to a member of the Derbyshire Project, and also I have paternal family roots in the county, so I will leave Sheffield as it is, at least for the time being. By the way, the first link in the reference section in the Sheffield list I have looked at seems to be dead, so the list has no references.

That all makes sense, and it will be good to see the Derbyshire articles. I'll have to decide what to do about Stocksbridge, whether to leave it, write an article in the style of the other Sheffield ones, or attempt one in your style. Warofdreams talk 23:37, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

TFL notification

Hi, Peter. I'm just posting to let you know that Listed buildings in Runcorn (rural area) – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for February 18. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008 (Talk) 22:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

"Oldford, Cheshire" (John Ingleby painting, 1793)

Hi Peter. I came across this painting dated 1793 (wrongly categorised in a Commons category) and wondered if you know anything about it. Do you think it's the church that was replaced by St John the Baptist's Church, Aldford, and should I should place it in the relevant category or include it in the article? Dave.Dunford (talk) 15:34, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Dave. Very interesting. I don't think there is any way of being absolutely certain, but IMO it is extremely likely. The link on the church's website at [1] gives a description that fits, it "consists of a nave without side-aisles, a chancel, and steeple", it had a clock that was "diamond in shape", and says that there was a watercolour painting of it in the vestry - very likely this image. I can find only one Alford (=Oldford) as a place in England. Although I guess that to be absolutely sure, we would have to check with someone at the church - the painting may still be there. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:14, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Further to this – the church was closed when I visited a few months ago (on a Cheshire Life research expedition) so I still haven't checked whether it matches the picture in the vestry (if it's still there). I'm going to the open gardens at Eaton Hall this weekend so I might get another chance (also hoping to bag some of the unphotographed LBs within the Eaton estate, though I don't know how much opportunity I'll get). Thanks very much for Listed buildings in Hayfield, Derbyshire, by the way – my parish, as you probably realised. Just a few awkward ones to go! Dave.Dunford (talk) 13:01, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Hope you enjoy Eaton Hall. I certainly did some years ago when I took some of the photos in the article. There are some gaps to be filled in Listed buildings in Eccleston, Cheshire. It was good to have such a comprehensive collection of photos in Hayfield - many thanks. Interesting village and parish. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:20, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Productive Eaton Hall visit – photos now uploaded to Listed buildings in Eaton, west Cheshire (I'm seeing a load of "Lua" errors in the references, whatever they are, but I don't think I caused them?). Two minor irritations though: a) I missed a couple of gettable listing photos through a combination of insufficient preparation on my part, courtesy to my companions, and poor mobile signal; and b) we stopped by Aldford church afterwards, to find that it had been locked at 4pm (45 minutes before we arrived), so I still haven't verified the painting. Next time. Dave.Dunford (talk) 13:17, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Great work! It much improves the list. I have just completed Listed buildings in Buxton, which contains much of your work. There may be some photos I've missed. And "Lua" looks like someone has messed up!. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:26, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Camber on Listed buildings in Bakewell

On Listed buildings in Bakewell the description of "Bridge over mill tailrace and obelisk" includes a link to camber and I wasn't sure if Camber beam applied.— Rod ^talk 18:58, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I think it does, and I've fixed it. Thanks. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:43, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Gablet on Listed buildings in Doncaster (Balby South Ward)

In the description of St Catherines Hall on Listed buildings in Doncaster (Balby South Ward) you have included "gableted pinnacles" should that be Gablet roof, Gablets or Gable?— Rod ^talk 17:05, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, a typo. Fixed. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:09, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. Thank you for steadily improve knowledge about historic churches in England! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. Good to hear from you again. Hope all is well with you. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you - look around on my talk, anytime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Charcoal Lodge, Dunham Massey

Hi Peter. I'm still working through my archive of photos as a background task, and I came across a picture I took of Charcoal Lodge at Dunham Massey. I've uploaded it and added it to Wikidata but I couldn't find an appropriate slot in any of your "Listed buildings in..." articles. The building is in the unparished area of Trafford and I think it should come under Listed buildings in Bowdon, Greater Manchester, but before I added it I wanted to check with you. Dave.Dunford (talk) 08:35, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Dave. Looks like I missed it - and I guess it's not the only one. Difficult to get complete lists in non-parished areas. Very grateful if you would add it as you suggest. Cheers, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Easily done, since it's part of the Dunham Massey estate but not actually in the parish. I had a nice day in the Aldersey area today and bagged all the listed buildings in the actual village. Historic England's names are somewhat out here, so I've taken the liberty of correcting them in Listed buildings in Aldersey (with HE's erroneous names in the notes). It's particularly confusing as "Songer" is actually Manor Cottage, and "Manor Cottage" is actually Manor Farm Cottage. This Conservation Area Appraisal has a list of them, which ties in with my recollections on the ground. I should probably let Historic England know, but I haven't yet. Dave.Dunford (talk) 19:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for that. The official names given to listed buildings by HE are IMO a nightmare. The way I get round it is, when appropriate, to use my "own" name in the body of the list, and use the official name in the References, rather than including them in the Notes. Some of the official names are veeeeery long. Where there have been significant changes, eg. names of pubs, or a major change in use, I inform Minor Amendments at HE, but "live with" the others. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:04, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I've now added Charcoal Lodge to Listed buildings in Bowdon, Greater Manchester. I'm not sure what your preferred order is, but I put it at the bottom of the list. Dave.Dunford (talk) 15:00, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for adding it. I usually order LBs in the date of original building, so I have moved Charcoal Lodge appropriately. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:14, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Eaton Boat/Morris Oak Cottages

Eaton Boat

Morris Oak Cottages

Hi Peter. I untangled a Historic England mess involving two John Douglas buildings yesterday, while on a walk between Aldford and Eccleston. HE have the wrong grid reference for Eaton Boat – theirs (SJ 41865 61109) places it in more or less the same place as Morris Oak Cottages, whereas the correct location for Eaton Boat (which matches my photo and the Images of England photo on the NHLE) is more like SJ 41864 61112, next to the river further towards the Aldford Iron Bridge. I'll let HE know the correct location. The photo you uploaded to NHLE is Morris Oak Cottages; I'll mention that too. Sadly, Aldford church was closed, so I didn't manage to verify the painting we discussed a while back. Dave.Dunford (talk) 13:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I've added the photo to the infobox on your Eaton Boat article, and corrected the location. Dave.Dunford (talk) 13:30, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Scrub that. The grid ref on the NHLE page (SJ 41865 61109) is about right; the error seems to have been in the original Eaton Boat Wikipedia article (and was copied to Wikidata). I'll still let HE know that your picture on the NHLE Eaton Boat page is the wrong building. I'll correct Listed buildings in Eaton, west Cheshire and Listed buildings in Eccleston, Cheshire as needed. Dave.Dunford (talk)

Thanks for all that. I seem to recall some confusion of my own when I started the article. What I do remember is the delightful walk along the river from Aldford to Eccleston, particularly in the spring. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:17, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Defaultsort for churches

Please see discussion I started at User talk:The joy of all things. Thanks PamD 08:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Pam. I have made a comment. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:06, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Bluecap

Hi, I was just reading your article on Bluecap - very interesting (and I now know the reason for the name of the nearby pub!). Just wondering if you've made a typo in the sentence "Bluebell became a legend in northwest England"? I'm not sure who Bluebell is, unless it's supposed to be Bluecap? Didn't want to change without checking in case I was misunderstanding! Cheers. Casey boy (talk) 09:40, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

A typo, as you suggest. Well spotted!. Corrected. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:09, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Listed buildings in Erewash

I spotted that you're currently working on an article on listed buildings in the unparished part of Erewash. There is a parish of Sandiacre which splits the unparished area into two areas which could reasonably be described as Ilkeston and Long Eaton, so I think it might be better to create separate articles for listed buildings in Sandiacre, Ilkeston and Long Eaton? Warofdreams talk 11:31, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, that's very helpful. It's always difficult to deal with unparished areas without local knowledge. I will take up your suggestion when I publish, and hope I place the LBs in the correct list. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Peter, just wanted to say thank you for these articles. I used to live in the Nottingham/Derby area and still have friends and family in the area so I've enjoyed reading about some familiar buildings! Even better, you've used a few of my photos! Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, HJ. Thanks for the message. I am enjoying compiling the lists in this interesting part of the country. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:41, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

I'll have to upload my photos of the war memorial in Stanton by Dale. It's where I spent my two minutes' silence on Remembrance Sunday last year. This year I was in Coventry but that memorial is much better covered! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:33, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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As a TPS, this templated message is really quite hilarious. To Peter, it may be less so. The suggestion that he may be a new user could be very swiftly addressed by a look at his Userpage. It is certainly arguable that he has contributed more to the coverage of buildings and architecture on Wikipedia than any other single editor. I see he has contested the deletion and am sure that sense will prevail. KJP1 (talk) 17:53, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Praxidicae, you seem to have mistagged this article. Also, after 15 years and 200,000+ edits, I think you can assume Peter I. Vardy knows what he is doing on Wikipedia. He also left a good explanation on the article talk page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks to both for your support, and especially to Liz for getting rid of the tag. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Listed Buildings in Selside and Fawcett Forest

Greetings, I noticed that you recently created the article Listed buildings in Selside and Fawcett Forest, and I wanted to thank you for doing so - it quite slipped my mind when I made the article about the parish! Have a lovely day, Frzzl (talk) 10:55, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Smisby lock-up

Inspired by your latest list, I thought this sweet little structure merited an article of its own. Thanks as ever for your continuing work on the lists, and hoping that you are keeping well. KJP1 (talk) 11:12, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, a good little article on an interesting building. I've added a See also section. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:12, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Derby

Hi Peter, just wondering if you had any plans for listing the listed buildings in Derby itself? I see there are about 400 so it would need to be split up somehow. How many parishes do you have left? Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:12, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I guess about 17 parishes left, then to embark on Derby itself, if life goes to plan. In due course, I will decide how to split it. Do you have any suggestions, as it is unparished? It depends on how it sorts out: inner/outer; north/south; east/west, or whatever. Are there any sort of "natural" borders? Cheers,--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:03, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi both; spotted this on my watchlist. (Talk page stalking!) I have seen two approaches taken for places with too many listed buildings for one article. The approach I took with Brighton and Hove was to sort stuff into alphabetical order (with e.g. 163 North Street counting as "N") and working out a split which left a series of lists of approximately the same length (I found about 100 entries to be about right) and with no split across a letter, if that makes sense. For larger cities I have also seen splits by postcode area (the outcode – so DE1 etc.). I'm not sure if that would work for Derby because some postcode areas cover surrounding parts of Derbyshire as well as the city area. Geographical splits would be the other logical alternative. All approaches would probably need a bit of planning with a spreadsheet. Cheers, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 20:25, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful suggestions. In the past, I have used various devices. For Manchester, I used postcodes, but this does not work everywhere, because, as you say, postcode areas often spill over into outlying civil parishes, which have already been covered. In some places I have used geographical splits, as in Ludlow, Lancaster and Shrewsbury. And for the bigger cities dividing into electoral wards seems to work (Leeds, Huddersfield, Doncaster). I will decide nearer the time. Best wishes to you and all my page stalkers - have a good Christmas! --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:02, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

I think geographical is the way to go. I'm not sure what areas the postcodes cover in Derby but the city centre is not huge so I can imagine DE1 stretching quite a way out. The city centre is divided into quarters which seem fairly well defined and a lot of the suburbs will have been parishes in their own right before the city was created (it's only been a city since the silver jubilee). I happened across a marker post last time I was there which noted the boundary between the parishes of Derby and Chaddesden but I don't know the western side very well. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:42, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Peter I. Vardy!

Happy New Year!

Peter I. Vardy,
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Many thanks, Moops, and I wish the same to you. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:28, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Derbyshire

Congratulations on completing another county - excellent work as ever! Looking forward to seeing your articles on Nottinghamshire emerge, though from a personal point of view, I'd love to tempt you to do North Yorkshire some time! Warofdreams talk 22:28, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks. I've had a very interesting time in Derbyshire. My next choice was between North Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire, but the latter won because of family connections. Maybe nest time. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:29, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

I'll look out for the Notts articles. My photos might pop up in the south western parts of the county again; I have family on the Notts-Derbyshire border and I know the area between Nottingham and Derby fairly well. Before you put Derbyshire to bed though, I notice Bennerley Viaduct doesn't seem to be on any of the lists but it's in both Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:11, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, and I look forward to your photos when I am unable to find them (or when yours are better). Your comment on Bennerley Viaduct highlights a difficulty I have in which list to place a specific listed building. It's fairly straightforward when they are in parished areas, but otherwise I have little guidance to prevent over-large lists, so I resort to electoral wards. The viaduct will certainly appear when I do the Awsworth list for Notts. Historic England records it in both counties and says it is in an unparished area of Erewash, but does not record a ward. So where do I put it? Can you live with it just in the Awsworth list? At least it will be recorded. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:43, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Seeing as it's unparished, I guess it belongs to Ilkeston, even though it's quite a way out of town. I'll upload my photos when I get chance. I got a bus from Derby city centre to Cotmanhay and walked down the canal to the viaduct then walked further down the canal into Ilkeston town centre. The views from the top are really quite something but it was about half an hour's walk to the town centre. I'm not sure it's written about in enough depth to write a featured article but I might give it a go. And I'll look forward to seeing it appear on the Awsworth list. HE's location descriptions are less than helpful sometimes. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

• Hi Peter, could you let me know what exactly Pevsner has to say about Bennerley Viaduct please? Feel free to email if it's more than just a snippet. I've decided to make that my latest project! Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:58, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
  • It's more than a snippet. I will email. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:49, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

    Thanks Peter! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Listing policy on the Isle of Man

Morning Peter,

Do you happen to know anything of the listing policy on the Isle of Man? This led me to this, and I realised, for the first time ever!, that Historic England doesn't cover it. What I can't work out is whether they have a grading system, or whether it's a binary Registered/Not Registered approach. And whether they have a website or just a bunch of old PDFs. Any advice appreciated. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 10:27, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, KJP. Very interesting, but I know nothing of the LBs in the IOM. It's an enormous list, complied mainly by User:Domcram. I suggest you contact him/her. Cheers, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

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Listed buildings in West Bridgford

Hi Peter! Hope you're okay. I was just wondering where you got the boundary for West Bridgford from for that list. I'd always been under the impression that the Trent was the dividing line between the City of Nottingham and West Bridgford, so everything on the left bank would be in Nottingham and the bridges would be in both but your list has the bridges entirely in WB, along with various buildings on the left bank (including, incongruously, the city's war memorial). Google Maps seems to confirm my impression, as does our article on West Bridgford. Are you working from a source that says something different? Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment, which has also cased concern to me. Deciding which listed building to place in which list is relatively easy for parished areas, but unparished areas can be a nightmare. In some places, I have used a title such as Listed buildings in Gedling (unparished areas) as a way out. When it came to Rushcliffe, I tried the same idea using a similar tactic. It led to this conversation Talk:Listed buildings in Rushcliffe (unparished areas). So I changed the tile to the present one. All very unsatisfactory, as you say, but my intention in compiling the lists is to ensure that all the listed buildings are included somewhere. As I understand it, the buildings on the left bank included in the list are in the Trent Bridge Ward of Rushcliffe [2]. When I get round to doing the city of Nottingham, there are too many listed buildings for one list, and the only way I can see to do it is, again, by electoral wards. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Conksbury listed buildings

Hi Peter. I was in the Over Haddon area in Derbyshire the other day and I photographed one or two listed buildings that I was looking to place in the appropriate Derbyshire listed building article. According to its NHLE entry, Conksbury Farmhouse (right) is in Over Haddon parish, but it's not in your list at Listed buildings in Over Haddon. It is, however, mentioned at Conksbury. Did you deliberately leave the Conksbury buildings out of the Over Haddon list, as they're covered at Conksbury, or was this an oversight? Also applies to Conksbury Hall (which I didn't/couldn't photograph as it wasn't visible from any of the paths/roads I walked). Dave.Dunford (talk) 12:30, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I have to confess that I relied (too much) on British Listed Buildings to identify the relevant parishes, and they got this one wrong. Conkesbury must be very near boundaries. A search in the NHLE for "Conksbury" shows that the farmhouse is in Over Haddon, the milestone 800 metres away from the farmhouse is in Youlgrave, as is Conksbury Hall. And Conksbury Bridge is in Nether Haddon. I will move the farmhouse and leave the hall where it is. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Nottingham Arboretum

Hello, Dr. Vardy. I am not from the UK, but I came across the arboretum's page and noticed the flag on the section for Listed buildings. Pondering it, I wonder if it would be too difficult to write that section in prose without either sounding too promotional or screamingly boring. If you're thinking I am laughably remote from being any sort of expert on British architecture, you're right. Having watched enough Time Team to have episodes with the first of Mick's stripy jumpers saved to a thumb drive doesn't qualify me for anything. However, it taught me what Historic England is and what Listing a building means. So, would it be okay with you if I presented the Listed buildings on the Nottingham Arboretum page in a table like the one you have on your page of Listed buildings in Nottingham? I also have asked Desertarun about this out of respect for the effort they put into the page. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 03:22, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Oona Wikiwalker - I'll leave Peter to comment, obviously, but a table would, in my view, be a great improvement on the current bulleted list. A prose paragraph is an alternative, e.g. here but the strings of cites can look a bit off-putting. A clever alternative I was taught is to stack the cites, as here. This does involve a tricky little bit of Wiki coding, which I'd be pleased to help with if necessary. Now, whether the result would remain "screamingly boring" is a matter of opinion! KJP1 (talk) 03:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

That is a wonderful idea! Those pages are NOT boring. However, I don't feel qualified to take your suggestion because I've never been to the arboretum and I don't know anyone who does. Trying to write in any depth would just feel disrespectful to the people who love it. I did try looking at it in Google Earth, but no one's actually walked the park for Google yet; there are only a few 360 degree shots.

If there's a workaround for that, I'm game to put in work on the page! Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 06:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

I have no strong opinion. I must say that I like the paragraph in Belton House linked by KJP1; it reads well, and I think this is the sort of result expected. Thanks for the interest shown by you both. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:13, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Oona Wikiwalker - I've had a go, see what you think, here. KJP1 (talk) 10:41, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Excellent; just what was needed IMO. Many thanks. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:57, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, exactly perfect, and you were much better qualified to do it than I. Great job! Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 21:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I hail from that part of the world and I have been to the arboretum. I'm happy to see its article getting some TLC. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Pevsner Cumbria

Hi Peter -- Do you still have Pevsner for Cumbria? I've been trying to improve the trainwreck that is William Marshall (tennis), actually the architect William Cecil Marshall (1849–1921), and wondered if it had any information on him/his works, as I believe his father owned Derwent Island House. I've added some material from Pevsner Cambridgeshire, but I've inadvertently given the impression he only worked in Cambridge! Thanks in advance for any assistance. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 04:02, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Good to hear from you, and pleased that you are active again on WP. Yes, I do have the Cumbria Pevsner, and there is one reference to William Cecil Marshall. It is under Monk Coniston Hall (which I have walked past), p.296 and says “with additions with red stone dressings by William Cecil Marshall of Leeds, 1882”. Very odd. (The only reference to a William (no Cecil) Marshall in the Leeds Pevsner is about a builder of that name in 1771). There are two references in Cumbria to William Marshall (no Cecil); St Peter, Castle Carrock, p. 276, “Normanised by William Marshall in 1888-9”; and St John Evangelist, Keswick, p. 447, “The chancel was lengthened in 1889 by William Marshall, grandson of the founder”. Earlier it says that the founder was John Marshall in 1836-8 – that certainly seems to fit WCM. Could he have also been a sculptor? Manchester Pevsner refers to sculptures by WCM in Manchester in 1853 and 1862, pp. 74 and 75, 145; and on the Town Hall p.140. The South Yorkshire Pevsner refers to a monument in a church in Tickhill in 1871 by WCM, pp. 49, 672. Could this be a coincidence of names, or a complication for you to sort out. Best of luck!--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:05, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Peter! Currently trying to find a way of contributing that doesn't result in getting infuriated and walking away for 6 months at a time; atm quietly adding listed buildings in Cambridge, which no-one else much seems to be working on at the moment. Starting to work a little on the unparished bits has given me renewed appreciation for all your superb lists: truly an impressive mountain of work!

Will try to untangle all the similarly named people; I think the refs earlier than 1872 are going to be someone else, as he definitely didn't graduate until then. There was a perplexing reference somewhere to him having a degree from Leeds as well as Cambridge but his practice was definitely in London -- really need an obituary but my usual search strategies didn't find anything. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 23:47, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind comments. Yes, the unparished areas are indeed a nightmare. I have divided these into electoral wards, using British Listed Buildings as my source, but some of these are already changed, as I have found in Nottingham, where some lists are on "former" electoral wards! Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:07, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

I've been tentatively trying a quadrant-based approach for the suburbs, as Cambridge very much has a north/east=Town vs west/south=Gown divide; unfortunately the one I've been working on doesn't map onto the wards at all. I think with wards one would quickly hit the problem that there'd be maybe 500 or more in Market ward vs 2 or 3 in Arbury ward! Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 12:22, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Good Luck! I know what you mean; I am meeting something similar in Nottingham. I remember some time ago splitting Ludlow into north/south and Mansfield into inner/outer. Flexibility is all! Cheers, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:32, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

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