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	Nice job cleaning up Florida Wildlife Corridor * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:59, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for the award and the kind encouragement! It's reassuring that there are eyes overseeing what we do, ensuring quality and integrity! Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 14:34, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cerisy-la-Forêt

Hi again, Oona. You hit my watchlist with these 10 edits at Cerisy-la-Forêt. With the exception of the section on the origin of the name which you sourced (thanks for that), the rest of the added material is unsourced, and subject to removal. Please source the rest of the added content with citations to reliable sources which support it. In addition, you changed some content that sits in front of previously existing citations, that make it look like your content is sourced by those citations, when in fact, it isn't; those citations don't support your added/changed content and you will need additional citations buddied up right next to the pre-existing ones, in order to support your changes in those cases. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 04:47, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I need to state here that the uncredited edits I made were translations from the French-language version of the page. I didn't understand that translated Wikipedia pages need to be credited in the talk section. I think. This kind editor told me I could ping him when I find help pages I don't understand, but I don't remember how to do it and I don't remember how to find my way back to where he told me that. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 07:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1956 Niles Canyon Douglas R5D-2 crash

How did you manage to get the coordinates for the 1956 Niles Canyon Douglas R5D-2 crash? I did some research a few weeks ago and wasn't able to get more accurate than about a mile radius. Best, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First, I looked up Naval Airstation Alameda. I assumed the plane would be trying an approach from the southeast and circling clockwise, thus hitting the ridge on the east slope. I looked up what Sunol Ridge and Nile canyon encompass (topo maps). Then I went into Google Earth and got the coordinates 3.5 miles north of Niles on the east slope of Sunol Ridge, per the sources in the Wikipedia article. However, tonight I found an Oakland Tribune article that indicated the crash site in a rudimentary map. Sure enough, judging by a waterway noted in the map, the crash was on the east slope of the ridge. Figuring that the reporters at the Trib would be talking directly to the guys who flew over the crash site, I relied more on the map than the other sources cited in our Wikipedia article. So I again went into Google Earth and reconciled the crude map with the satellite imagery. That indicated a site northeast, not north, of Niles. So I got the coordinates 3.5 miles in that direction that still hit on an eastward slope. So I corrected the coordinates. I'll try to figure out a way to let people see what I'm seeing in the old newspapers...

Just before responding to you, though, I also learned that the man who owned land where the plane crashed was named Elmer O'Connell. Property ownership is a matter of public record in California, so a trip to the assessor's office and a hunt through their records should turn up where exactly his ranch was located. His farm might be comprised of multiple parcels, but we'd want to be looking for one on the east slope of Sunol Ridge. I wonder if we can hunt that up online. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 08:06, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon me. It wasn't a waterway (Stonybrook Creek) but a road (Stonybrook Road). Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 08:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice detective work! Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's really nice of you. Lol, I only showed up to fulfill Wikipedia's request for coordinates. I didn't think anyone was paying attention. *blush* Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 01:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Found a pretty precise location for the plane crash. The eyewitness who spoke to the papers was in the 1950 census. I could locate exactly where he lived. I changed the coordinates to correspond exactly with what he said. I know: primary sources. But I can read censuses. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 11:18, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We're not supposed to use primary resources or post original research. But what do we do if there are few secondary sources and you discover proof that they're mistaken? Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 12:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's definitely a complicated situation. Coordinates generally aren't cited (except for rare cases where there's actual controversy about it), so there's not really applicable guidelines like there are for text. It might be worth posting on the article talk page explaining how you got the coordinates in case another editor is curious.

It's important to remember that even small improvements like adding coordinates will be noticed by other editors - and really do improve the experience for readers! It's easy to forget sometimes, but good edits really are appreciated. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:49, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are truly kind. As far as text and original sources go, what do we do if we find the secondary sources are mistaken or just overlook something obvious? When i was working on a page for an FBI agent, I found that J. Edgar Hoover's secretary never married and had lived with the same woman in the 1930, 1940 and 1950 censuses at different addresses. They both were clerical staff, but the second woman was referred to as "partner" in the 1940 and 1950 censuses and the secretary as "head." When the second woman died, her address was the 1950 address and 3 months later the secretary moved to Florida. So I created a Personal Life section and listed the second woman as the secretatry's partner. Was that wrong? It's how they identified themselves to the ennumerator. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 10:32, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

eek. I forgot to add that this secretary has her own Wikipedia page. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 10:33, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that situation is a case of exceptional claims requiring exceptional sources. Unless there are reliable secondary sources indicating that Gandy and Morrow were in a relationship, I would not add it - census data alone is nowhere near sufficient to verify a relationship, especially with how vague "partner" is. The most you can say is what was specifically reported in the census; if you do so, you'll want to add access information to the citations since they require registration. As with any information about sexuality that's not an explicit self-identification, I would recommend getting consensus on the article talk page for what to do. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. That's why I didn't speculate on what Gandy meant by "partner." I just repeated what was in the census. I also found a society column article about them travelling together to Morrow's home state of Tennessee, (Gandy was from New Jersey) so they did have at least that much of a relationship. They had been sharing their living space for a minimum 20 years and that would indicate a personal, but not necessarily sexual, relationship. We try to pigeonhole relationships, but I've known about six couples who live together in non-sexual relationships. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 11:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 2024

Hello, Oona Wikiwalker. I noticed that your recent edit to 1984 World Series added a link to an image on an external website or on your computer, or to a file name that does not exist on Wikipedia's server. For technical and policy reasons it is not possible to use images from external sources on Wikipedia. Most images you find on the internet are copyrighted and cannot be used on Wikipedia, or their use is subject to certain restrictions. If the image meets Wikipedia's image use policy, consider uploading it to Wikipedia yourself or request that someone else upload it. See the image tutorial to learn about wiki syntax used for images. Thank you. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 04:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please show me where. In the infobox I changed 1984 World Series logo.gif to 1984 World Series logo.png. I'm undoing your revert until you show me the external link. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 05:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no file called 1984 World Series logo.png. Read the entire message, including the part "or to a file name that does not exist on Wikipedia's server". - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 09:04, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is. It's visible on the page. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 09:06, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're looking at the image I uploaded, visible in the lower part of the infobox of this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_World_Series Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 09:08, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eep. You're right. I didn't read your message carefully. I did mistakenly change the logo's file suffix instead of the cover. My apologies. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 09:11, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I did not read your message carefully. But after misreading it the first time, I checked the page, noticed the mistake, didn't realize I made it, but fixed it anyway. Is the page still fixed? Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 09:12, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for caring about accuracy and for being persistent in correcting this. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 09:13, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, there's not and no, I'm not. There's 1984 World Series Program.png, but no 1984 World Series logo.png. See?

File:1984 World Series logo.png

Your submission at Articles for creation: Lesya Ukrainka Museum has been accepted

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April 2024

Hello. I have noticed that you often edit without using an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This helps your fellow editors use their time more productively, rather than spending it unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying your work. Even a short summary is better than no summary, and summaries are particularly important for large, complex, or potentially controversial edits. To help yourself remember, you may wish to check the "prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in your preferences. This would be especially helpful when deleting templates, cheers 〜 Adflatuss • talk 17:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did not realize I did it that much! The minor edits are just that, and I haven't worried about them. But I can definitely see how the major edits would be. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 00:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinates of school district

Thanks for all your work on coordinates! It's great work, and I greatly appreciate it.

I've reinstated the {{coord missing}} tag on Empire Union School District; this is a good case of an article that should have coordinates: the school district's address is public, it's on their very searchable own public website under "Find Us", they are on Google Maps, Bing Maps, and presumably all the other major online mapping systems, and their headquarters in a building on a public road with "Empire Union School District" in large letters on the front. They also have pages on their website for all their schools, making their addresses public and similarly locatable on major mapping services. They clearly have no desire to keep their location, or those of their schools, secret.

While there are things with legitimate reasons why they should not have location data, such as secret archeological sites, people's private homes (with notable exceptions), locations of clinics or refuges for vulnerable people, etc. etc., this definitely isn't one.

What is the threat you seek to guard against? — The Anome (talk) 12:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being linked in any to mass shootings at primary or secondary schools or the office of such districts. While Empire Union School District has made its information available on their website and the information is available in other places as well, I would never want to hear "The mass shooter at XXX was found to have researched XXX using Wikipedia." If Wikipedia carries the location of primary and secondary schools, it can never be sure the above will never be true.

Would you be willing to consider that all active primary or secondary schools ARE refuges for vulnerable people (minor children)? We protect them and restrict access to them during in such a way that they can be considered refuges during school hours. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 03:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Schools are listed on all major mapping services, because they are public facilities just like shops, hospitals, hotels, airports, police stations and restaurants. Indeed, most schools themselves publish their locations directly on the web via their own websites. This information is not only not hidden, it is actively made as available as possible to users of mapping services. For example, you type "schools near me" into Google Maps, it gives you exactly that: locations of every school near your location. Listing them on Wikipedia therefore does not add any extra risk, but it does add extra utility by making encyclopedic information about them more widely available to the general public, something usually considered an unexceptional good (for example, it can help parents to make better choices about what schools to send their children to).

As I understand it, most school shootings are committed by disgruntled local people, often pupils or ex-pupils of the schools in question, not random strangers from afar. More that that, most people in an area already know where all the local schools are by virtue of being part of normal community life. When people move into an area, they have to be able to find out where the schools are, in order to enrol their children in them. Short of guarding this infomation like nuclear secrets and brain-wiping the population after they leave school or their children grow up, and perhaps also blindfolding them in public places so they can't see these incredibly-obvious-in-plain-sight facilities and the children going to and from them, it's difficult to see how this could be kept secret.

If you are really seriously concerned about this, you should either start a campaign to lobby for making the locations of schools secret and removing them from all mapping services including Wikipedia (which won't in any case stop the local-people problem), or — considerably better and more effective — campaign for gun control measures, something which has effectively eliminated school shootings in every country that has enacted them. — The Anome (talk) 18:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, you mistakenly assume that I do not do this already. However, I too am guilty of judging a book by its thumbnail (Who reads books with covers anymore?).

I'll go back and revert the edits I made to schools and add the coordinates. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 19:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should the coordinates for Homestead Temporary Shelter for Unaccompanied Children be on Wikipedia? Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 20:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it should. It's a massive government facility with a clearly advertised location. Its mere existence is disturbing. — The Anome (talk) 21:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Its fully glory is only visible back in 2017, though. It took a long time to post because this place has a nasty history and I needed to push away from the keyboard. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 22:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Finished. I didn't revert most of the edits because the few that I reverted caused an odd error to appear. I figure that since the page history shows me adding the coordinates immediately after having said they shouldn't be on Wikipedia because schoolchildren are a captive, vulnerable population, the reader would assume I'm correcting myself. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 01:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Newbie's guide to mapping in Wikipedia

Let's make one! Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 05:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:1Q84bookcover.png listed for discussion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:1Q84bookcover.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 2024

Hi Oona Wikiwalker! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Live Oak Plantation, Florida that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]