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Melon...not a reliable source?

I noticed that you keep reverting stuff when it is referenced from the Korean online streaming platform Melon music. I don't understand it cause it is a fairly big streaming site that is pretty major when Korean music industry is concerned, so why is it unreliable? I wanna hear your thoughts on this.Waltzingmogumogupeach (talk) 01:45, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, not a reliable source other than for crediting otherwise it shouldn't be used for anything else likewise for every other music streaming services per MOS:ALBUM and WP:VENDOR. In addition, don't include partial composition for selected tracks only which was also the reason I reverted it, if there are no secondary reliable news sources for all tracks then don't include it, we are not not an indiscriminate collection of information nor a newspaper. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:04, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Source

Hello. You have removed my changes with message that there is no source for the information, but the album was already mentioned and news article was in the reference list before my change, thus I did not add any additional reference. There is no Wikipedia page for the album yet, so I cannot make reference on it as it was done on previous releases. Let me know what type of reference you want so I can add it SunshineKSH (talk) 16:43, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@SunshineKSH I had manually restored it after re-verifying it's sourced in the article, your edit was reverted not mainly due to lack of inline source but also due to formatting issues and also introducing inconsistency formatting to the article. An advice for you as a newcomer, you should test out your editing in your personal sandbox or WP:SANDBOX first to get yourself familiarise before editing any article, for copyediting, not much self-training is required however adding tables requires some training, you can read more about adding tables correctly by reading Help:Table. I had also added a Welcome menu in your talkpage, please take your time to read though the content by clicking every single links. Should you have any further questions on how to edit correctly without making mistakes such formatting issues, please ask them at the Teahouse instead where you would get a faster response. Happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:03, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Awards

Can I ask why awards cannot be listed by the time they were announced instead of their name? It is making big confusion to many fans, and we wanted to correct that if possible, so everyone can clearly see what happened when. Also, even if the alphabetical order mattered, the new added awards were totally removed when they had all necessary intonation and formatted as previous ones. SunshineKSH (talk) 21:50, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@SunshineKSH Awards has always been arranged in alphabetical order all the while, it's the same for other Korean's artists. You write for general readers not exclusive for fans, if you're here for such then read WP:FANCRUFT. It was removed because I reverted it as you changed the arrangement in the same edit, unfortunately you have to add it back again without screwing up the arrangement. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit request

Hello, BLACKPINK has won Global Artist in South America at Hanteo Awards today. Can you add it in you list? I will put the source below for your reference. Thanks a lot

https://twitter.com/Hanteo_HMAs/status/1624364856592994304?t=vdUX24rZE5whxbBBD_e_OQ&s=19 Inyourarea123 (talk) 12:42, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@Inyourarea123 Do it yourself instead, why bothered publishing your edit when the infobox clearly has hidden comments in place warning against unsourced editing, which I doubt you did read them or did read it but pretended to WP:IDHT instead. And don't come and bs me that you can't edit the article, the article currently isn't protected nor is there such things as section protection, otherwise you wouldn't be able to published your unsourced editing, so do it yourself otherwise don't edit at all. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I already added it on the main box. I saw that you added the award in the list but not in the main box Inyourarea123 (talk) 13:31, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

@Inyourarea123 If your English is bad and cannot understand what editors are communicating to you then you shouldn't be here per WP:CIR. The notes in the infobox clearly stated that any awards added in the infobox must exists in the main table and also be sourced reliably, of which you clearly and evidently failed to do so with this edit. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:38, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you for editing and creating many articles on Korea Lightoil (talk) 04:33, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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Clarification in Inserting Guest Appearances

Hello! I saw the reason why my edit was removed. But are guess apperances not meant to be counted? Not sure about this. Maybe we should put it especially for those who don't know? Shadyph (talk) 16:02, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@Shadyph I'm not unsure which edit(s) nor which article(s) you were referring to. Regardless those details ain't important, as per consensus at WT:KO (dig through the archives), no guesting and/or one-time appearances for television shows (regardless of type) are allowed for inclusion for articles within the scope of WikiProject Korea regardless of the subject's occupation(s). This consensus doesn't affects cameo appearances for television series/dramas, of course provided it's sourced reliably per WP:BURDEN in turn WP:VERIFY. In short, only television shows' roles that are of permanent cast member, permanent host/MC, and contestant are allowed for inclusion, similarly provided it's sourced reliably per WP:VERIFY. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:24, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

MOS:TVCAST

Hi @Paper9oll! I just want to ask about section headers like "People related to...". I have edited a Filipino drama article and put these type of headers, however, my edits were reverted saying that we shouldn't put such headers according to MOS:TVCAST. May I ask what is your take in this? - jampol 08:39, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Jpmagabo9 It does looks like an improvement to me, however I couldn't find where exactly that edit you made had violated MOS:TVCAST, maybe it just isn't established format for Filipino-related articles (I'm not sure as I don't edit in that area, just my thoughts) hence those "regulars" see it as "alien formatting" hence they anyhow quoted the MOS for that you would have to resolve it with those "regulars" instead, just don't WP:EDITWAR and/or violate WP:3RR will do even if you're frustrated if their answers. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:00, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much! I'll take note of these. - jampol 09:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Awards

Hi, I added accurate information with reliable source provided, why did you still rollback the edit? Kuycc (talk) 13:24, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Kuycc Firstly, welcome to English Wikipedia. Secondly, to answer your question, NO you did not provided a single reliable source. Thirdly, not only did you not provide a single reliable source, you also rearranged the table layout without consensus in doing so. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:32, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
1.MAMA AWARDS - Artist of the Year, its the same source of Best Female Artist.
https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/2022-mama-awards-nominees-bts-blackpink-full-list-1235160065/
2. Asian Pop Music Awards - BEST FEMALE ARTIST , SONG OF THE YEAR , its the same source (same weibo account) of Top 20 Song of the Year (Overseas)
https://weibo.com/7305169762/MjwUq9H52
3. Seoul Music Awards - Main Prize (Bonsang) , this is the official website.
https://www.seoulmusicawards.com/vote
4. Korea First Brand Awards - Most Anticipated Female Solo Singer , only winners of this award will be published in articles. I can only provide the offical website.
https://twitter.com/KSGUpdates/status/1587031342558380032?s=20
http://fba.kcforum.co.kr/2023/index.php Kuycc (talk) 14:12, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
@Kuycc I don't read mind but you're lucky I know what you want, don't paste something without specifying what you want. I have updated the table in accordance to what the sources stated, not done MAMA Award for Album of the Year as she isn't nominated for such. Also not done for Korea First Brand Awards as you didn't provide reliable sources (that Twitter source isn't reliable because it doesn't comes from an official account) and the official website is also failed verification, either you provide a reliable news source that explicit stated such otherwise I won't update it. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:39, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Please search for "seulgi" on the MAMA Award website, she was nominated for both Artist of the Year and Best Female Artist.
And Asian Pop Music Awards misses nomination for SONG OF THE YEAR, please search for "seulgi" or "SONG OF THE YEAR" on the website.
The Korea First Brand Awards website needs to be connected to a Korean VPN to access.
In addition, is it possible to create a contents of Fan Meetings for 2023 HAPPY SEULGI-DAY?
http://ticket.yes24.com/Special/44820
Thank you so much. Kuycc (talk) 15:22, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Meant to say "Album of the Year" instead of "Artist of the Year", the latter is already updated while the former is failed verification as the Billboard source doesn't explicitly stated such. For Asian Pop Music Awards, it's already included hence I'm not sure why you're making a big fuss as if it wasn't included, if you can't differentiate then go and educate yourself first. For Korea First Brand Awards, I can access the website with no issues, this isn't a access issues, and as stated earlier, it's your WP:BURDEN to search and provide a reliable source to WP:PROVEIT, and likewise this isn't my problem. For fan meetings, we DO NOT include them here as these are non-notable events per WP:NEVENTS and per consensus at WT:KO, we ONLY include actual concerts. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:53, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
First, Asian Pop Music Awards, Seulgi was nominated for 2 awards, "SONG OF THE YEAR" and "BEST FEMALE ARTIST".
"TOP 20 SONGS OF THE YEAR" was decided by the jury and seulgi won.
"SONG OF THE YEAR" and "TOP 20 SONGS OF THE YEAR" are not the same category. If you can't differentiate then let someone who knows edit it.
Second, Korea First Brand Awards, Joy(RV) was nominated for 2019 Beauty Icon, the source is the same as the one I provided above. The official Korea First Brand Award website.
RV was nominated for 2022 Female Idol, the source is the official twitter account.
So seulgi was nominated for “여자솔로가수” "Female Solo Singer". https://twitter.com/kcforum/status/1589467167577509888 Kuycc (talk) 13:39, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
@Kuycc  Done and goodbye. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

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Yuqi photo

Hi, thank you for letting me know. I actually just wanted to update her photo since the one that was up was from 2 years ago. I just didn’t know how or what to do. Pennsterr21 (talk) 05:40, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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WJSN note update

Could you update the precious note you mentioned and add this source [17] also include a message to mention if anyone attempts to change the status of the two members it will be seen as disruptive editing. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 07:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@Btspurplegalaxy Sorry, could you clarify which note you are referring to? Noting that the source is already added via this edit by Lightoil. As for added warning notes to the article, I don't really see the need to include them for now as the article is currently protected, and if they decided to disrupt again by going against the consensus despite the note to look to talk page, then we can request for protection again. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

AWB run on infobox television

Regarding your AWB run on Category:Pages using infobox television with unknown parameters (temp), you may need to make some adjustments to your regex. First, in this edit [18] the |followed_by= value was multiple lines. So when you removed only one line, it left an invalid value. Because it wasn't using {{plainlist}} it didn't break it, but had it been plain list, the infobox would have been broken. Instead, it just included those values in the |last_aired= parameter as that was the previous line. That's how I noticed it because it ended up in Category:Pages using infobox television with nonstandard date. But that brings up another point. It looks like you're just straight up removing |preceded_by=/|followed_by=. Please review the discussion at Template_talk:Infobox_television#Distributor_parameter:_is_it_needed?, especially the stuff later after consensus was reached - we don't want to indiscriminately remove those values. In some (and even most) cases, they should become |related= entries. So if no |related= entry exists, you can use AWB to merge the values and change the param to |related=. Where a |related= value already exists, these need to be looked at and determined if they should be merged with what's already in |related=. Here's an example: [19]. Note that the |preceded_by=/|followed_by= parameters were removed and the value from |followed_by= became |related=. If I can't convince you to do that, so be it, but you definitely need to account for multiple line values as mentioned at the beginning because the only reason I noticed this at all was because it didn't use {{plainlist}} and thus was read as part of the previous valid line. Had {{plainlist}} been used on that entry, it would have broken the infobox. By way of example, here's what happens when a multiline value is missed [20]]. Hope all that makes sense. Ping me if you have any questions or concerns. ButlerBlog (talk) 12:52, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Butlerblog Ya, my algorithm sometimes doesn't works for whatever unknown reasons that I'm still trying to debug on otherwise it does stills work in most cases with exception of some like the one you linked above, which I have to rollback and remove it manually, however may have overlooked the above one. As for |preceded_by and |followed_by values, majority of the time, they are unrelated (basically param abuse) hence I just removed them. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:57, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Something I just thought of as well is that even if you were looking for values with {{plainlist}}, that one I saw would have been missed anyway because the only thing about it was it was an unusual multi-line entry that would be unexpected. For me, I'm right now primarily just focusing on the "easy" ones, such as empty values or just |distributor= with an entry, and I'm skipping entries that need more review or complex changes. ButlerBlog (talk) 13:14, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
@Butlerblog Noted, thanks. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:19, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Sorry - just one other thing to mention out loud in case you hadn't noticed it: Some of the |distributor= values contain named references and are the primary citation for that ref. In those instances, make sure that if you remove it, that the named ref isn't actually used elsewhere in the article. Otherwise, the ref needs to be moved or the article instance will be broken. For me, those are just on my ignore list for now since they require some manual checking. So far from what I've seen, it's rare, but there are some out there. If you've already noticed this, just ignore my comment ;-) ButlerBlog (talk) 13:20, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
@Butlerblog Yes aware of that, thanks — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:22, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

In Special:Diff/1144902757, you removed sourced content from an infobox. Please stop using this script. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@NinjaRobotPirate Apologies, was doing Ctrl+S with relative speed, may have gone to fast with my hands and overlooked it. However, upon checking your diff, it's due to that article's infobox having a messed up syntax which maybe I'm blind or maybe I'm not regardless it's a mistake. But no worries, I won't help out in clearing that category anymore since it's prone to some form of errors be it human-made (me overlooking) or due to messed up syntax. Happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
@NinjaRobotPirate Dude, seriously you need double check Special:diff/1145065720 again, I only removed deprecated distributor param which has been removed from the Template:Infobox television's coding per Special:diff/1144597808. The named ref on the distributor line is already declared first on production_companies line hence there isn't any breaking or removal of references. Fyi, the overlooked AWB run that removed the reference accompanying the released line is still there hence I'm not sure why you exactly reverted it maybe you would like to clarify further. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:09, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
{{infobox film}} has not deprecated the distributor parameter. You are not editing a television infobox. You are editing a film infobox. Look at the wikicode. You can also verify by looking at the rendered page, where a distributor is listed in the infobox. You're removing the distributor field from infobox film, not infobox television. Please keep in mind that "you are responsible for every edit made" per WP:AWBRULES. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
@NinjaRobotPirate Thanks for the clarification, now I see what the issue is, I didn't realise I was editing manually Infobox film syntax, apparently Infobox television is below instead which doesn't has deprecated param. Regardless, I have stopped helping out in clearing that category as stated in my earlier reply, and has no intention in continuing to help the clear that category. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:50, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

That doesn't happen often

Sorry about my student reverting you. That doesn't happen often. I'll try to reign them in. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Piotrus No worries, I'm not so concern about them reverting me but more concern that they are citing incorrectly in the incorrect formatting and also unable to differentiate unreliable source from reliable source when they revert it. Thanks for reigning them, appreciate it. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:48, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps I missed it - where did they use bad formatting and unreliable sources? I'll try to address the specific diffs in class. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:50, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
@Piotrus Adding source as external links as seen here, here, and not sure what exactly is going on here but certainly required teaching. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
First diff seems broken? I'll talk to the student about the other two. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
@Piotrus My bad, fixed the link, should be correct now. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

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Change from “Kim” to “Jin”

I saw the suggestion to change the name of the page and saw that you were directed to "FAQ". I support the name change for two reasons:

1. The answers on the "FAQ" page do not answer the questions and if the claims on this page are correct, most of the names of the articles about BTS members should be changed.

2. When I translated this page to the Hebrew Wikipedia, it was decided to use the name "Jin" due to all the reasons you mentioned. Estyxxxx (talk) 16:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Estyxxxx Hi, I assumed you were to referring to Talk:Kim Seok-jin#Global revision: Change from “Kim” to “Jin” where I linked Talk:Kim Seok-jin/FAQ in my reply. Fyi and in case you're confused, the FAQ page is the same content included at the top of Talk:Kim Seok-jin where the bunch of yellow boxes are located (only viewable on desktop), you just need to scroll down slightly till you see the box with the title "Frequently asked questions (FAQ)" where clicking on the "View" link (located at the left side of the same box) would redirect you to the same FAQ page hence I didn't randomly linked it. In addition, I didn't create the FAQ page in case you're curious, the page was created by another editor instead and can be verified by viewing the page's history.
The answers to point 1 of your question is already answered in the same FAQ page, if you still have any objections after reading through the FAQ and its linked discussion, then as per A1 of the FAQ, quote "If you disagree with this reasoning, you may request a move" in which you may request a move by following the instructions at WP:RMCM. However do note that, the move request is unlikely to succeed however you may try as there isn't any harm in doing so. As for point 2 of your question, whatever Hebrew Wikipedia does isn't related and has zero connections to English Wikipedia, they have their set own of guidelines and policies while English Wikipedia have their set own of guidelines and policies in which both are not the same despite carrying Wikipedia in its name. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Attack on Titan

@Paper9oll thanks,i don't know how to show you my proof,i am new to this,in original guidebook it was never implied they were siblings i'll post the link of my quota post which'll explain my point plz read it,i have uploaded scans from original guidebook and short story by author My answer to Aren't Mikasa and Eren brothers in “Attack on Titan” brothers and sisters? https://www.quora.com/Arent-Mikasa-and-Eren-brothers-in-Attack-on-Titan-brothers-and-sisters/answer/Zeus-Therapist?ch=15&oid=1477743647860043&share=c6816180&srid=hQsouU&target_type=answer Sagarahir98 (talk) 00:35, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Sagarahir98 Hi, your edit request was rejected because you didn't provide a reliable source on the basis that Quora is a self-published source which is considered as unreliable source. Also noting that you also did not provide a reliable source in the earlier rejected edit request as well. In addition, please do not spam your discussion on article's talk page as noted that you did that on Talk:Attack on Titan, this is an incorrect behaviour. If you have any further questions on sourcing, please ask them at WP:TEAHOUSE where other editors would answer your queries, before filing for another edit request where another editor will come back and response to your request (request's response time will varies). Thanks! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 01:30, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
sorry i didn't mean to be rude but is first trailer of aot unreliable source? Sagarahir98 (talk) 02:12, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
@Sagarahir98 Well it depends if it's an official trailer uploaded by the publisher themselves on their own channel (which I assumed is on YouTube), this would fall under primary source while acceptable isn't really recommended as Attack on Titan is of WP:GA-class, it's always recommended to provide secondary reliable sources instead. However, if you couldn't find any secondary reliable sources, then you may try to file for a new edit request on Talk:Attack on Titan where another editor would come by to response to it, however do note that request's response time will varies. Fyi, your reply isn't rude ... you're just asking question. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
thank you for your help which isn't heplful at all,if english editor had done his job properly i wouldn't be here bothering you Sagarahir98 (talk) 03:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
@Sagarahir98 Well too bad then that my reply "isn't helpful at all" (this is considered as rude). Regardless, if you've any further questions pertaining to sourcing, you may ask them at WP:TEAHOUSE where there're a huge group of editors that would answer your queries. Thanks and goodbye! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:21, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
yes i have asked them, thank you Sagarahir98 (talk) 03:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

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  • The AbuseFilter condition limit was increased from 1000 to 2000. [23]
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Kamel Jendoubi smear campaign

Just wanted to let you know that you (inadvertently) restored false defamatory content about Kamel Jendoubi that was added to the article as part of a smear campaign by the government of the United Arab Emirates. Please be more careful in the future, especially when an editor has specifically identified content as "libelous/false content", as was the case here. We almost avoided perpetuating the smear campaign, but not quite. Nosferattus (talk) 16:20, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

@Nosferattus Noted, thanks for notifying. I'm not exactly sure on the details anymore since this happened 2 years back in 2021 but since the article you linked isn't of my interests, it most likely that this article came up on Special:RecentChanges as either orange (Likely have problems) or red (Very likely have problems) when I'm doing recent changes patrolling hence I reverted it. As a recent changes patroller, we don't have knowledge on whether this is smear campaign or intention removal hence I reverted with the edit summary of "Likely censorship of content" on the grounds that Wikipedia is not censored and because the content on surface looks well written and soruced, hence unless someone reverted our revert (which you did by notifying here) otherwise we don't have knowledge on such. Regardless, whether the huge chunk of content is real or false, removed or restored back (or turned into WP:EDITWAR), isn't of my concerns as this isn't my area of interests. Thanks! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:51, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
Hmmm, that's not exactly reassuring. When someone removes content from a BLP asserting that it is "libelous/false content", shouldn't we at least be obliged to do a cursory fact check before restoring the content? Nosferattus (talk) 17:00, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
@Nosferattus As stated above, "because the content on surface looks well written and sourced" (this sentence is me looking at the diff now in 2023 whatever judgement happened back in 2021 which is 2 years ago, I no longer have any memories on such), and also with "libelous/false content" coming from an IP, doesn't looks anywhere convincing even if I did read through the various sources in the article back in 2021 on which I can't remember on such anymore. Regardless, I'm not interested in arguing/debating with you on such since this happened 2 years back and as stated above "whether the huge chunk of content is real or false, removed or restored back (or turned into WP:EDITWAR [for whatever reasons]), isn't of my concerns as this isn't my area of interests". Thanks, happy editing, and goodbye! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:16, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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Your edits

Special:Diff/1148031858: Regardless, I'm not interested in arguing/debating with you on such since this happened 2 years back and as stated above

Maybe you're willing to talk to me, then. I'm thinking about taking away your advanced user permissions. Can you reassure me that you actually do read the sources when you revert edits that purport to remove defamatory content? Or are you just blindly reverting IP editors because you don't trust them? NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:20, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

@NinjaRobotPirate Hi, I do indeed read the sources when reverting edits, however the sources included in the article concerned doesn't read/sound anywhere false at least according to my NPOV reading without knowing the full picture, of which without getting notified that this is an organized fake news campaign by some government organisation, I won't know or get the full picture as this isn't my topic of interests. And also as stated previously to another editor, as this isn't my topic of interest, the article of concerned likely appeared on RecentChanges when I'm patrolling, and also because this happened 2 years back, I can no longer give you detailed answers on why the revert other than looking back at the edit summary that I at that time see the removal as censorship hence the revert. I'm also not saying that I don't trust IPs editor however removing a huge chunk of sourced content does looks suspicious and raise alarms even if they mentioned that it's false content of which as mentioned in the preceding sentence, the sources in the article of concerns doesn't read/sound anywhere false. What happened to the concerned article isn't intention as explained in preceding sentences and previously to another editor. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:35, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
You need to be less dismissive of people's concerns when they come to your talk page. I sincerely hope that you're reading the sources when you revert an edit and not just reverting because the edit looks suspicious. When something raises alarms, please treat that as a sign to look deeper. That means checking the source, making sure it's reliable, checking text-source integrity, etc. Editing Wikipedia can be pretty tedious. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:34, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
@NinjaRobotPirate Noted, will take note of this moving forward. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:39, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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Jungkook Main Vocalist of BTS

I just wonder why doesnt the description of Jungkook referring to him as main vocalist but only as vocalist? The same on BTS Wikipedia Therese2203 (talk) 18:41, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

@Therese2203 Hi, as per consensus at WikiProject Korea (search through the archives), inclusion of main/lead/sub and wordings with similar meanings is no allowed. This applies to the inclusion of maknae, visual, center, etc, basically all of the WP:FANCRUFT terms is not allowed as per the consensus. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 00:04, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Inputbox blank report for ordinary use for IPs

I don't know what you were trying to do an this page, but this has not been a pleasant experience. I don't know why you decided to call me "clueless" or what you were even trying to do in most of those edits. From my perspective the order of events has been:

  • Following the edits and discussion at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Manpreet dhir I came to the conclusion that the preload template may have been poorly worded and confusing people responding to edit requests.
  • I went to the talk page of the preload template and filed an edit request to swap the wording of the preload back to the previous version. I pinged you and Actualcpscm to see if you had any feedback and if you thought this change would fix the confusion in the wording.
  • You join the conversation with an unpleasant message where you accuse me of breaking everything, "brute forcing" the SPI process, and essentially try to paint me as incompetent [39].
  • You move a discussion about a template to my personal talk page, accusing me of "abuse[ing] the system" by stating a discussion about a template on the template's talk page [40].
  • You tag the talk page for speedy deletion under a criteria that does not apply [41].
  • You remove the template edit request, and call me clueless [42]. I thought my first message was quite clear that I was asking for the text on a template editor level protected page to be reverted to it's previous version.

Have you developed jaundiced view from exclusively interacting with IP vandals? There are good faith IP editors too you know! 192.76.8.84 (talk) 16:37, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

@192.76.8.84 I certainly got confused by point 1. As for point 3, I didn't accuse you of breaking anything but suspected incorrect workflow usage, if this offended you then sorry, of which this suspicion was resolved with your workflow explanation. As for point 2, 4–5, that preload template title is misleading or rather unconventional hence I initially thought you created it just to start a discussion to explain on why you kept restoring the edit request before realising that it's an legit page where the talk page wasn't created at all till today hence the misunderstanding and stupid mistake of tagging it. As for point 6, I didn't read your content at the top, I thought you were trying to continued the discussion on where it left off at the SPI. Lastly, I did not said your edits are in bad faith, you said this yourself hence don't force it down my throat, I came across AGF IPs before so fyi. I'm just responsing to pending edit requests and yours happened to be "misplaced" of which in the end isn't but due to incorrect wording of the preload template, in which you kept on restoring the edit request twice without detailed explanation (like informing editors that this is being added automatically via so-and-so template) clearly isn't helpful despite it being misplaced hence the misunderstanding. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:52, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
I didn't accuse you of breaking anything you described my edits as trying to bruteforce your way into creating the SPI report by adding incorrect templates. I obviously can't mindread, but the language you used seems like you are implying that I am breaking the SPI process and misusing templates (which were created automatically, and which have been in use in that way for the many many years I've been here), it's like you are trying to make out that I am incompetent and don't know what I am doing.
I did not said your edits are in bad faith You accused me of abuse[ing] the system [43], how is that not an assumption of bad faith? "This discussion appears to be in the wrong place" is one thing, "You are abusing wikipedia by starting a discussion here" is quite another.
Regardless, thank you for the apology. Hopefully the text of the template will be revised to make the edit request usage clearer, and I will give a more informative edit summary if I have to re-activate an edit request in the future. Perhaps just tone down the language a tad? 192.76.8.84 (talk) 17:16, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
@192.76.8.84 Apologies again, if my usage of "bruteforce" makes you intrepret as breaking the SPI process, I'm actually trying to say you may have copied the code from the "Wikipedia" namespace onto the "Wikipedia talk" namespace as a workaround before realising that a workflow exists exclusively for IP editor to create the SPI report as you've explained. As for your 2nd paragraph, I already explained that above in the "As for point 2 ..." and in "As for point 6 ...", it's a misunderstanding and wasn't intention, regardless apologies again. Yes please, if in the future, you happened to need to re-activate an edit request, please explain more in the edit summary if the edit request happened to be in unconventional pages (basically pages that editors don't expect to see them on such as on SPI report before your proposal to improve the wording). Thanks and apologies again. Happy editing and goodbye! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:31, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

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  • There was a problem with all types of CentralNotice banners still being shown to logged-in users even if they had turned off specific banner types. This has now been fixed. [46]

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 April. It will be on all wikis from 13 April (calendar).
  • Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link" (Moroccan Arabic Wikipedia, Danish Wikipedia, Dinka Wikipedia, Lower Sorbian Wikipedia, Ewe Wikipedia, Greek Wikipedia, Emiliano-Romagnolo Wikipedia, Esperanto Wikipedia, Estonian Wikipedia, Basque Wikipedia, Extremaduran Wikipedia, Tumbuka Wikipedia, Fulah Wikipedia, Finnish Wikipedia, Võro Wikipedia, Fijian Wikipedia, Faroese Wikipedia, Arpitan Wikipedia, Northern Frisian Wikipedia, Friulian Wikipedia, Irish Wikipedia, Guianan Creole Wikipedia, Scottish Gaelic Wikipedia, Galician Wikipedia, Gilaki Wikipedia, Guarani Wikipedia, Goan Konkani Wikipedia, Gothic Wikipedia, Gujarati Wikipedia, Manx Wikipedia). This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally. [47][48]

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Not an admin?

Ha, I thought you were an admin. (I saw your recent AIV post). Have you ever considered running for one? I'd support you :) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:36, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

@Piotrus Hi, thanks for the support. However, I don't think I'm ready to take on the responsibilities as of now. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Reply

Hi! I'll definitely fix up my correction on Kim Hee-chul's page with a better source when I get time. I didn't realise that Naver wouldn't be considered a valid source, since the current existing sources are also from Naver! So sorry about that.

Although I would like to mention that the current sources for his birth actually don't work anymore, I clicked on one of them and the page didn't exist. So as soon as I find a better source I'll fix that up right away. Notprinceparadox (talk) 22:48, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

@Notprinceparadox Hi, Naver News is considered as a reliable source per WP:KO/RS#R however you included Naver Search results instead in which search engine results regardless of search engine provider is considered as unreliable source. As you are editing a topic that is Korean-related, please also see WP:KO/RS#UR for a non-exhaustive list of sources considered as unreliable. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 00:25, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for the information! I didn't realise this page existed, this is extremely helpful Notprinceparadox (talk) 10:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
@Notprinceparadox No problem, happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:39, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Seeking Feedback

Hi Paper9oll, I hope you're well! I'm a wiki newbie and have made contributions to the Fan Activism article, specifically the K-pop section. I'm seeking feedback and tips to ensure the article is up to par. I saw you made edits and gave feedback on the K-pop talk page and am hoping you might leave me some feedback on my contribution! Thanks so much, Alise boal (talk) 23:34, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

@Alise boal Hi, welcome to English Wikipedia. I have read through your edits, don't see any issues with it. You also provided reliable sources which is good. Keep up the great work and happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 00:36, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much! Alise boal (talk) 19:39, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Alstom Movia R151 Edits

If you are talking about the set numbers, those were comfired by SGTrains via Spotters(Link: https://spotters.sgtrains.com/). Thank you for sending me a message about the edits, have a great day. TheOriginalSSE1 (talk) 07:27, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

@TheOriginalSSE1 As stated with the message, you didn't provide a reliable source. And to be more specific, please read WP:SPS instead. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:10, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

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  • At Wikimedia Commons, some thumbnails have not been getting replaced correctly after a new version of the image is uploaded. This should be fixed later this week. [52][53]
  • For the last few weeks, some external tools had inconsistent problems with logging-in with OAuth. This has now been fixed. [54]

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Korean Air

Many, many other airlines listed on Wikipedia have their own separate fleet pages. I do not believe there is any reason not for Korean to have their own as well. SurferSquall (talk) 15:45, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@SurferSquall This isn't for me to decide on, you have to resolve this issues with the parties concerned instead on the relevant venues such as the article's talk page. You were issued a formal final warning for edit warring with other editors in violating of WP:3RR on not just Korean Air but also on other articles as clearly and evidently reflected on your contribution's logs, and you're still clearly and evidently continuing this disruptive editing behavior on Korean Air fleet. In addition, you also removed other's editors comments on Talk:All Nippon Airways violating WP:TPNO. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:54, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
I understand, but: nobody seems to want to discuss it. All they do is revert my edits. SurferSquall (talk) 18:11, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
@SurferSquall Fyi, revert is a form of objection however editors are encourage to discuss it on the article's talk page per WP:COMMUNICATE, even if "nobody seems to want to discuss it" in which "nobody seems to want to discuss it" does not means that you are allowed to use this to edit war. If "nobody seems to want to discuss it" on the article's talk page then bring it to other venues such as WikiProject's talk page e.g. WT:AIRLINE. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:16, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Administrator?

Ever considered becoming an administrator? I think you have a high chance of passing an WP:RFA. Lightoil (talk) 03:14, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@Lightoil Hi, thanks for the support. However, I don't think I'm ready to take on the responsibilities as of now. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:02, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Okay noted. Lightoil (talk) 05:03, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

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  • Due to security issues with the Graph extension, graphs have been disabled in all Wikimedia projects. Wikimedia Foundation teams are working to respond to these vulnerabilities. [56]
  • For a few days, it was not possible to save some kinds of edits on the mobile version of a wiki. This has been fixed. [57][58][59]

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  • All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on April 26. This is planned for 14:00 UTC. [60]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 April. It will be on all wikis from 27 April (calendar).

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Question on recent reverted edit

Hello! You recently reverted an edit on the article surrounding Twice's 4th World Tour. While the revert was rightful, I am a bit confused as to why the source is claimed as unreliable (understandable as it is a blog) in this case, yet there are countless of other articles about concert tours in which references to the same blog were not deemed as unreliable and were left unreverted.

Do you have an idea as to why this might be the case? An example would be Enhypen's 1st World Tour "Manifesto", which can be found in the Wikipedia article of the band. Hellothere83 (talk) 17:16, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Hellothere83 Wordpress.com is considered as WP:BLOGS and unreliable per WP:RS/P (Ctrl+F and search for Wordpress.com). Neither does that source falls under WP:EXPERTSOURCE hence it should be removed from whichever article it exists on. Existing on one article doesn't means it should exists and/or can be used on other articles per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. In addition, do note that not every single edits/revisions get reviewed by patrolling editors, hence that explained "countless of other articles about concert tours in which references to the same blog ... were left unreverted". Unless you've consensus (local or community) that deemed the said source as "considered reliable" despite it falling under WP:BLOGS otherwise please research for reliable sources instead. Also do note that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information hence not all information needs to exists here, only reliably sourceable ones should be added here. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:36, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for the clarification on this topic! I'll keep it in mind. Hellothere83 (talk) 17:38, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

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IP

That IP is too self-endorsed. I was about to remove it, anyways you did, that's good. NFRAPC (talk) 05:31, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@NFRAPC No problem, thanks! Happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:32, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

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  • Last week, Community Tech released the first update for providing better diffs, the #1 request in the 2022 Community Wishlist Survey. This update adds legends and tooltips to inline diffs so that users unfamiliar with the blue and yellow highlights can better understand the type of edits made.
  • When you close an image that is displayed via MediaViewer, it will now return to the wiki page instead of going back in your browser history. This feature request was voted #65 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey. [66]
  • The SyntaxHighlight extension now supports wikitext as a selected language. Old alternatives that were used to highlight wikitext, such as html5, moin, and html+handlebars, can now be replaced. [67]
  • Preloading text to new pages/sections now supports preloading from localized MediaWiki interface messages. Here is an example at the Czech Wikipedia that uses preload=MediaWiki:July. [68]

Problems

  • Graph Extension update: Foundation developers have completed upgrading the visualization software to Vega5. Existing community graphs based on Vega2 are no longer compatible. Communities need to update local graphs and templates, and shared lua modules like de:Modul:Graph. The Vega Porting guide provides the most comprehensive detail on migration from Vega2 and here is an example migration. Vega5 has currently just been enabled on mediawiki.org to provide a test environment for communities. [69]

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  • Until now, all new OAuth apps went through manual review. Starting this week, apps using identification-only or basic authorizations will not require review. [70]

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Warning on my previous IP address's talk page

Hi, I noticed that you have given me an Ultraviolet 0.1.4 on Dystopia: The Tree of Language. Please can you remove it for me as I'm new on Wikipedia and wasn't aware that you can give out warnings. 92.41.212.201 (talk) 12:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

@92.41.212.201 Your current IP's talk page (92.41.212.201) currently doesn't have any warnings nor has the talk page been created yet. If you're referring to the L1 warning on the talk page of IP (188.29.81.68) that you previously used to edit on English Wikipedia, as per WP:BLANKING (quote "the user has read and is aware of its contents"), you're permitted to removed it should you wish to. And to explain further, your edit was reverted because you did not provide reliable source, not all sources are considered as reliable and you providing a citation doesn't means you added/provided reliable source, in which Soompi is considered as unreliable source per WP:KO/RS#UR. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:19, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

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  • Citations that are automatically generated based on ISBN are currently broken. This affects citations made with the VisualEditor Automatic tab, and the use of the citoid API in gadgets and user scripts. Work is ongoing to restore this feature. [75]

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 May. It will be on all wikis from 18 May (calendar).
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