User talk:Otr500/Archive 5
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Notability for artists
Hi. I saw your note on the Michele Zalopany talk page. If you are going to tag stubs, be sure you read and understand WP:ARTIST. Thanks. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:33, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Just a note to say I had a chance to go over the WP:PSEUDOBIOGRAPHY essay. It's good advice, but it is not an official Wikipedia policy. As the page says, "This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community." Short biographies are all over Wikipedia, and in my mind they serve a purpose: as the beginning of potentially good articles. There is no requirement that an article be of a certain length or contain enough content to fully describe a person's life. The pages we are writing will be around for a long time. Some will remain stubs, and some will get longer as more material becomes available, or more editors become interested. For example, here is the Article on Ellen Carey that I created on April 9th. And here it is today, wonderfully expanded by a very good editor. Thanks. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:06, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
- Short biographies are certainly important if they are expandable. Career stubs that can't possibly be expanded would be a pseudo biography as would one that just does not contain sufficient biographical content or sources found to allow for this. This becomes more important on a BLP that is held to higher standards. While I agree an article may be expanded as more editors become interested I only support that an article remain a stub "only" because of this. If there is insufficient souring "available" that goes toward notability and if I run into that someone may need to prove there is notability. I actually support the area you are working in so don't "plan" to be difficult.
- Just a note to say I had a chance to go over the WP:PSEUDOBIOGRAPHY essay. It's good advice, but it is not an official Wikipedia policy. As the page says, "This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community." Short biographies are all over Wikipedia, and in my mind they serve a purpose: as the beginning of potentially good articles. There is no requirement that an article be of a certain length or contain enough content to fully describe a person's life. The pages we are writing will be around for a long time. Some will remain stubs, and some will get longer as more material becomes available, or more editors become interested. For example, here is the Article on Ellen Carey that I created on April 9th. And here it is today, wonderfully expanded by a very good editor. Thanks. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:06, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
- Essays: Essays that are used on Wikipedia carry no weight over a policy or guideline but do carry weight. On Wikipedia we have "low", "medium" and "high"-impact essays. Wikipedia:Avoiding harm is included in the last one that contains WP:PSEUDO an essay on notability. High-impact essays (rated in the top 5%) are widely read, discussed, and used, often reflecting consensus of several editors, widespread norms, or a generally accepted standard, and can involve 50 or more editors reflecting consensus. Even essays elevated to "explanatory supplement" status contains "This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community". An essay classified as an explanatory supplement like Wikipedia:Here to build an encyclopedia carries weight. It is an "explanatory supplement (still an essay) to the content and behavioral policy and guideline pages" and contains "This page is intended to provide additional information about concepts in the page(s) it supplements. This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community.". WP:NOTHERE has been used to determine if an editor should be sanctioned. Wikipedia:Single-purpose account is an essay often used to note a new editor or IP that has interest in one area, subject, or occasion and may result in bans. Wikipedia:Other stuff exists is often cited at AFD to counter arguments that one article should be kept because other articles exist.
- WP:PSEUDO is often cited when sources cannot be found (on a search) to create an article, or support inclusion, that also involves notability issues. This becomes certainly relevant when there is little of no biographical content or content more related to other things such as a business. When an article is severely lacking in content or sourcing tags can call attention to this and result in improvements. That is the actual reason for maintenance tags. You added references and at least one shows that works exists but nothing substantial so I noted this.
- The fact that an editor is actively working in this area is enough for me at this time and the reason I didn't review the tag removal to see if all the issues were resolved. I just took exception to your comments that I need to read and understand WP:ARTIST. If I was an ass like some I have seen I could simply not tagged, not carried on a discussion, and after I searched could simply have clicked to list at AFD for a more community-wide discussion. This might have resulted in an an article being deleted that possibly could be expanded, like the example you gave, and why I use tags and discussions. Many times I run across articles while in the middle of something and would have to redirect or tag for later. By-the-way, I looked at Ellen Carey and a problem I saw was it was classed wrong. If you feel my reassessment is in error you can ping me on that talk page. Have a nice day, Otr500 (talk) 06:34, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. I fixed the Carey rating.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 12:58, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
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I have recently edited Talk:Uranium One controversy and afterwards (just now) became aware it was subjected to Discretionary sanctions. Otr500 (talk) 20:28, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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Pizzagate
It would be off topic to discuss this on this thread [ https://web.archive.org/web/20190928174848/https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Community_response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_ban_of_Fram&curid=61015662&diff=918410267&oldid=918406767 here], how ever your use of the adverb supposedly in regards to the debunked Pizzagate conspiracy theory, raised my eyebrows. Do you believe that there might be some truth behind the Pizzagate conspiracy theory.?
My two cents is that there are pedophiles at the level of the highest office, including the occupant of the Whitehouse. The Jeffrey Epstein affair has shed light on that uncomfortable fact,as was the raid on his island home (obviously to secure evidence that would incriminate the most prominent men in our part of the world). I am also of the opinion that this evidence is used to blackmail Senators, Congressmen, businessmen and it might explain why some have made a very obvious 180 degree change. This is my personal opinion, but I am curious as to why you have a condition on the Pizzagate conspiracy theory.Oldperson (talk) 19:07, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hello, The word "supposedly" is simply because I haven't read up on the Pizzagate conspiracy theory. A theory is usually just that as apposed to facts. I do not know anything about it at this point so would inherently have to be neutral until I learn more. As far as Epstein, it created chaos of Royalty which is pretty high up the chain. Who knows where it may lead. Otr500 (talk) 00:24, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
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Notability tags
Hi. I see you have been placing notability tags on pages. Could you please explain notability issues with pages such Dominique Rustichelli, Panayiotis Loizides (Anorthosis Famagusta), and Theofilos Chrysochos (Anorthosis Famagusta)? As far as I can tell they all have played for at least one "fully professional club at a national level of the league structure" (WP:FOOTYN). I'm particularly perplexed in Rustichelli's case. He has played for major French clubs. Also in the case of Rustichelli, how is the article lacking in sourcing? Robby.is.on (talk) 07:51, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hello Robby.is.on, there is no short answer to your questions. A "presumption" of notability is not an exemption although many times presented as such. Not one of our policies and guidelines (or even essays) provide for such. From general, to basic, to the more specific areas of WP:NSPORTS, the determination of a stand-alone article follows the same criteria.
A person is presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of multiple published non-trivial secondary sources which are reliable, and independent of the subject.
- The creation of multiple hundreds of permanent stubs, more often with one source such as "Soccerway", presented as a source and sometimes an "External link" as it likely really is, usually only presents a pseudo biographical sentence or single paragraph. Now, this is not a bad thing, and stubs are meant to be the beginning of something better, however, if the end result is going to be a career stub sentence for an article then it should be considered if the subject is not better suited in another article if better sourcing is not available.
- I AM NOT suggesting merging and not exploring the possibility. I have been performing maintenance for many years and rarely make a submission to AFD although I am active there. When I run across a subject or area where there are issues I try to find a solution. A paragraph of a couple of sentences and maybe some stats needs attention. An article that was created in 2014, and tagged the same year with no improvement since, is still in need of improvement. At a point there is either available sourcing for improvement or the subject really should be covered in another article and this the reason for the tags.
- Theofilos Chrysochos apparently is still active. The article states he plays in the Cypriot First Division as a midfielder but the source seems to show he currently (2019-20) plays for Alki Oroklini (Cypriot Second Division) as a defender. I am not an expert on soccer, or even that familiar with it, but it does seem to be confusion between content and source. Playing one "fully professional club at a national level of the league structure", only passes WP:FOOTYN within the notability criteria laid out under WP:NSPORTS as shown above. If sourcing cannot be found then someone should provide them when it is questioned.
- You specifically asked concerning Dominique Rustichelli, "how is the article lacking in sourcing?" and that is really, really perplexing on my part. My stupid Dell 17.5" laptop has decided that it does not recognize my factory charger so is not charging the battery. The lights flashed shutting the computer off and losing my work (I was on the Dominique Rustichelli talk page) so I had to find it all again. I can only see what I can find. The article is sourced with one source and an "External link". A search did not produce anything to add value and this could be biased because of where I live. Google book shows Amoureux foot with passing mention as well as a "E. Rustichelli".
- You also questioned Panayiotis Loizides that is obviously Panayiotis Loizides (footballer). This has a single source and a Soccerway "External link". The source, a "Translational Announcement" simply provides "The President and the Board of Directors Our team welcome (as yet) our new Soccer Player for the 2019/2020 season Panayiotis Loizidis (Right Back) who competed in ALKI OROCLINIS last year and wishes him a good career.". Surely you are not suggesting this as significant coverage to warrant a stand-alone WP:BLP article? If not then you might agree that as presented there is reason to question the notability and seek improvements. I suppose either Semi-notability or Bare notability (merge request is active) would be applicable. Otr500 (talk) 14:34, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
- Regarding the sources tag: as far as I can tell, the content in the three articles is backed up by the, admittedly scant, sources given. My understanding of the sources tag up to now has been that it is used when the content in an article is not backed up by the sources given.
- Regarding the notability tag: a quick search found me https://www.laprovence.com/article/om/4248366/carton-contre-le-champion.html which is all about Rustichelli. I found a couple of pages like https://www.lfp.fr/ligue1/article/ligue-1-conforama-les-grands-voyageurs.htm which mention him among other players. I think you will find that if you were to look for the two Cypriot players (and other players of that calibre) you'd at the very least find match reports mentioning them. Wouldn't those be sufficient?
- I've added the two sources to the Rustichelli article and removed the tags. Let me know if you have any objections there. Robby.is.on (talk) 20:27, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
- Hello again, I am satisfied that improvements are being made. The reality is not that notability really needs to be "proven" on an article of a subject but that it exists, however, it does need to be shown when questioned. A source, like stats or a site that mainly is concerning statistics (like Football Database), is not actually objective evidence of notability for a biographical article, although it may be deemed sufficient for content. When I run into "admittedly scant, sources given" like you mentioned ("insufficient sources") I generally use Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Additional criteria:
Editors may find these criteria helpful when deciding whether to tag an article as requiring additional citations (using {{BLP sources}} for example), or to instead initiate a deletion discussion
. If there is evidence (already a career tag) Then I will go a step further and question notability.
- You mentioned "sources tag". The notability of a subject has nothing to do with the state of the article content but sourcing does need to advance notability. Playing in a professional league usually gives a presumption of notability per (WP:SPORTSPERSON) but such a presumption is still dependent on verifiable evidence sufficient for a stand-alone article. There needs to be some resemblance of a biographical article over a dictionary entry. This is why we rely on significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. My opinion, that is policy based, is that a single source providing just a bare amount of personal information (name, age, etc.,), or just enough to fill out an infobox creating a permanent stub biography with mainly career stats, means coverage may be better suited in another article. I don't ascribe to a particular timeline but at a point, a 2014 dictionary entry, becomes self-proof. Our comments have become longer than the article content of "Dominique Rustichelli (born 26 June 1934) is a French former professional footballer who played as a striker. Between 1952 and 1958 he played for Olympique de Marseille, scoring 34 goals in 138 league appearances. He then played in a number of other teams before retiring.". This is why I advocate that "sometimes" content is better covered in a parent article than a stand-alone dictionary entry that does not reflect accuracy. Just existance (Notability fallacies) is not sufficient justification for an article.
- My initial search does involve Google search, Google Books and Google news and JSTOR. If I don't find sourcing to provide biographical content I will tag or add tags to an article. A difference between my tagging and others, that may use "flyby tagging", is that I generally also use the talk page and revisit the article.
- The source you provided notes that Dominique Rustichelli is among seven individuals that has "frequented" eight clubs in a career so evidence that there should be sources to establish notability. A lack of information can create "misinformation". An example is that according to the stub article the infobox gives four pieces of information 1)- "Date of birth" and age (age 85), 2)- "Place of birth", 3)- Height, and 4)- Playing position. What seems to be an important piece of information in a biography would be place and date of death, apparently November 01, 1979, according to the source.
- I thought the subject still alive since the article reflects "age 85" and "retired". I tried to find coverage to verify the death (or still living status) of the subject, but still have not corroborated this to provide a more "full and balanced biography of that person's public life" also referred to as "a written account of that person's life".
- There is "notability" (My mention of the two articles I merged now at Wikipedia:Bare notability) but also the Wikipedia standard of notability to warrant a stand-alone article. Sometimes we have to assert that proof be shown which is the intent of the tags. However, consensus is still the actual determination so providing more than a single, not so great overall source for a biography, will likely stave off notability concerns that end up at AFD. Otr500 (talk) 15:08, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
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I was about to do the same as Harrias, so +1... Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:50, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Wrong dash for ranges
Hi, please use a squashed EN dash, not EM dash, for year ranges.
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Thx. Tony (talk) 05:13, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
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note re your group efforts and projects
Hi Otr500! thanks so much for your recent post at Village Pump, to support my idea and effort for a new community forum and bulletin board.
I am writing to ask for your help with this new idea. could you please draft a notice for editors to help out at the group effort that you referred to there? I think your main focus was a drive for article improvement, specifically at BLP as well as in some other areas? Feel free to add any other items, if i left anything out. This is in order to post this info at the new user:Sm8900/community forum, if that's okay? and please feel free to add any comments, thoughts, or insights, to let us know more about the great efforts that you have been considering.
I am looking for editor events and group projects that I could post to post there, in order to get things rolling., my new approach to this is to approach editors individually, and request input and items from that we can post there, in order to get things rolling, and provide some content to show what we are trying to do. could you please let me know if that sounds okay to you? I really appreciate it. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 14:28, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
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March Madness 2020
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I trimmed your addition of lengthy text added to a list that normally contains just a city or town name, per WP:UNDUE. You may want to consider creating an article about Packton, Louisiana. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:10, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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Thank You
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"Fight the Good Fight Every Moment"
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Presidents of the Confederacy
Otr500, I replied to you on the President of the Confederate States of America talk page. I agree that the list of fictional Confederate Presidents being placed on the article is out of place and should probably be removed. However, I think the info regarding the list should be spun off onto a new article instead of being deleted entirely. I just want to get approval from you first. --JCC the Alternate Historian (talk) 21:30, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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Thankyou for your wise and measured response on IMBd as a not at all workable sources and against unbacked assertions there. I would not that the discussion on Britani Bateman has shown that interpretations of what multiple significant roles and reliable sourcing look like is very broad. I would also note that when I created that article back in 2010 I recognized that IMDb would not be enough on its own, and added more sources (such as the Mormon Literature Database entry), they were later removed as coving non-notable roles, and so we ended up with a IMDb backed assertion of one role.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:29, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you for quality articles around Louisiana education and wildlife such as Beauregard Parish Training School (2008), Joyce Wildlife Management Area (2017) and Cheniere Caminada, Louisiana (2019), for meaningful redirects, for reviewing drafts, for dealing with article tags and excess image size and number, for missing, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
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A year ago, you were recipient no. 2207 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:48, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, Im cleaning up some mess up articles that are terrible or not notable its because I cant requst on WP:Afd talk page anymore as they have limits. can you nominate into afd if you can on these articles of Jacob Rica, Cindy Kurleto, Geoff Eigenmann, Paolo Contis, Wendell Ramos, DM Sevilla and Yam Laranas as they are non-notable people with poor sourcing. I would thank you so much if you did it. Cleaning is caring =). 221.148.3.71 (talk) 04:23, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- I have never participated in an AFD-by proxy. I also do not know about any "limits" on submissions. I did check out Cindy Kurleto as a random choice. This is a 2005 BLP, tagged since last year and with 2009 online cite tags. It actually has no references listed, improperly sourced through the "External links" section by an "official page" (primary and self-published source) that is archived and doesn't work, IMDb, a photo gallery (and photos) and FHM.com, that has the subject listed as a "hottie", cover-girl, and "FHM babe". The sourcing standard for a BLP is higher than this. The subject apparently left show biz for 13 years.
- A WP:BEFORE returned some more photos, Instagram, and "GMA Entertainment". In that source it states the subject quit working in 2007 because of PCOS and that she could never have children. She now has two ages 9 and 2.Another source states she quit acting "to focus on raising a family" but that does not appear to be reliable information as the timeline is off by around 4 years. The article states: "Kurleto was declared FHM Philippines' "Sexiest Woman of the World" in 2004. This might be a source if presented correctly, but the archived link does not support content.
- The main problem is that there just is not enough sourcing to advance notability (NACTOR) for an article that is rife with apparent original research such as in the unsourced biography section. I would be tempted to list this one but not as a proxy-listing.
- Your request seems valid (in this case) but the reasoning for the request is unclear. Of course, I dug a little deeper. You show to be a new IP editor here jumping into maintenance. I can't see that as a bad thing but the seven articles listed have a central "Filipino" theme so I don't know if you just have interests in that area or edited on that Wikipedia. As I am an inquiring-mind your request raises more questions than I am prepared to deal with. Suggestion: To not appear as an IP SPA (AFD's of Filipino related BLP's) I would suggest registering (or logging-in if the case) so things will not appear shady. That may not be the case but I really can't tell. I will put these on my "things to look at list" though. Thanks, -- Otr500 (talk) 11:46, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
IP user posted at Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion#Minor_celebrities_major_cleanup_Afd_req but initially listed 5 articles, which I complied. Then they tacked the other 9 on. While they have a similiar theme, I think mass blasting the AFD on behalf of an IP is pushing the purpose of proxy IP nomination. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 17:56, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, so do I-- Thanks, -- Otr500 (talk) 23:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hey User:Tyw7 and owner of talk page, I apologized for unable to be patient for the five afd to finish before nominating others too. I saw once on twitter about minor celebrities talking wikipedia and editing their article which is the reason im here for their articles, if its bad I request for afd so I apologize again and be patient this time, promise wont request someone other than talk page of WP:RFD. Stay safe guys. 101.109.209.204 (talk) 04:00, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: I am NOT the "owner" of WP:AFD. Heck, I don't think there is an owner of AFD. Edit: IP editor, maybe you should register since your IP number keeps changing. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 06:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hey User:Tyw7 and owner of talk page, I apologized for unable to be patient for the five afd to finish before nominating others too. I saw once on twitter about minor celebrities talking wikipedia and editing their article which is the reason im here for their articles, if its bad I request for afd so I apologize again and be patient this time, promise wont request someone other than talk page of WP:RFD. Stay safe guys. 101.109.209.204 (talk) 04:00, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- --LOL-- I think "owner of talk page" was referring to me. -- Otr500 (talk) 00:15, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't mean to imply the IP did anything "wrong" or deserving a block (certainly without investigation) but was just giving suggestions. I am not familiar with a rationale of such a block because of "nmap-confirmed OpenVPN". I am all for registering, but that is not currently Wikipedia's direction and respect it. In fact a couple of the suggested nominations I checked appear to me to be justifiable. -- Otr500 (talk) 00:28, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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- Oops! A draw-back to being "on-call" everyday with my job is the call can be inopportune causing a rush to complete a current task --and an inadvertent error of some sort. Thanks for the instructions though. I keep forgetting to try the second option. -- Otr500 (talk) 00:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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thanks for flagging it in your !vote here. I did some research and cleaned it up some. StarM 22:37, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:06, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Feedback request: Geography and places Good Article nomination
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Administrators' newsletter – September 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2020).
Administrator changes
CheckUser changes
Guideline and policy news
- Following a request for comment, the minimum length for site ban discussions was increased to 72 hours, up from 24.
- A request for comment is ongoing to determine whether paid editors
must
orshould
use the articles for creation process. - A request for comment is open to resolve inconsistencies between the draftification and alternative to deletion processes.
Arbitration
- A request for comment is open to provide an opportunity to amend the structure, rules, and procedures of the 2020 English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee election and to resolve any issues not covered by existing rules.
- An open request for comment asks whether active Arbitrators may serve on the Trust and Safety Case Review Committee or Ombudsman commission.
Feedback request: History and geography request for comment
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Feedback request: Wikipedia style and naming request for comment
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Feedback request: History Good Article nomination
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Feedback request: Miscellaneous Good Article nomination
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The Planning Exchange Draft
Hello
Thank you for taking the time to comment on my draft entry for The Planning Exchange. I've made the suggested changes to the lead section and in the 'Acquisition by Idox' section I've moved the external links to footnotes. I hope this is clearer and compliant with guidelines. Can the draft now be moved to the article space? Kind regards --Iandubya (talk) 14:18, 4 September 2020 (UTC)