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The Bugle: Issue LXXXI, December 2012

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Frank Hassett

Is there an interesting story behind this pair of edits? (Or is it just a pair of edits?) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 03:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

• (cur | prev) 11:31, 20 January 2013‎ Nford24(Talk | contribs)‎ . . (27,253 bytes) (-114)‎ . .(.) (undo)
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P.S.

P.S. Happy New Year! --Pdfpdf (talk) 03:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

P.P.S. (If you're not going to use the edit comment field, you may as well turn off the switch that's forcing you to pot the dot there. Pdfpdf (talk) 03:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC))

I had the understanding that all Australian's who served were eligible and most senior officers after the war were given the medal. I had received a confirmation email (before Christmas) from from the DPC and the AWM that this had not happened and no Australians have ever been eligible for the medal. A simple misunderstanding on my part.

Oh. How disappointing. (i.e. Not very interesting at all.) I'm wondering if you confused it with the United Nations Korea Medal, which is the only foreign campaign medal that is worn amongst the Oz campaign medals - rather than after all the other Oz medals? [1] Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 05:41, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Also Happy New Year to you too. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 04:47, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Gulf Medal BAR MID.png

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WOFF-AF

Thanks for the heads-up. Best wishes on this one - other than the same two refs that you also found, I couldn't find anything useful / useable! I'm up to my eyeballs in a collaboration on Nancy Wilson (rock musician) at the moment, but if you want a hand, drop me a line and I'll see what I can do. Gotta tell you though, if I'd found anything useful when I was looking, I would have started an article then. (i.e. I'm not optomistic.)
At that time there was a bit more available on RSM-A, but still not enough for a separate article. I guess that means that your WO-N article is quite an achievement!

If you feel like trying for consistency - which would be quite a challenge in the current setup, the relevant pages to attack are:

Warrant Officer of the Navy	a page (created by you)
WO-N	redirects to Warrant Officer of the Navy
Regimental Sergeant Major of the Army	redirects to Warrant officer#Australia
Also: Regimental Sergeant Major#Australia
RSM-A	a disambiguation page
Warrant Officer of the Air Force	a page (created by you)
WOFF-AF	redirects to Warrant Officer of the Air Force

Cheers (and good luck), Pdfpdf (talk) 13:30, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

MID

Suggest that your reverse your MID addition since the page is for the Australian Honours System. It specifically states that prior to 1975 Australia was part of the Imperial Honours System. The Australian Government ceased recommendations for operational gallantry awards such as the VC, MC, DCM etc in 1975 not 1991. The last awards were in 1972 for for Vietnam. It would seem that it was Australia’s involvement in the Gulf War that initiated the creation of the VCFA and Australian Gallantry Awards although the first awards were not for that conflict but for Rwanda. Anthony Staunton (talk) 14:33, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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Recent edits to military biographies

Hi,

A few of your recent edits have confused me a bit: You've removed someone's post-nominals from the infobox, and also added someone's rank into the name parameter, which I'm pretty sure isn't right, and the consensus seems to be not to put ranks into the infobox headers. You've also removed a 'plainlist' template from an infobox, when the documentation says to use it, and removed a 'post-nominals' template from a lead section, which I thought was a useful addition. You've also deleted awards from infoboxes where someone has been promoted within an Order - I can't find any definite guidelines on this, but I'd say that the awards are still significant, even when a higher one has been awarded. You've also deleted the dates of awards - again I can't find guidelines, but I'd say its useful information. I also notice you've added some ostentatious medal ribbon sections, which are definitely frowned on - there was a discussion on this not long ago, which petered out without coming to any definite conclusion, but the consensus was definitely against the sort of thing you've added (even though there's a lot of them around). The sort of thing I've put into e.g. David Walker seemed to be a bit more acceptable, although certainly not to everyone.

Can you point to guidelines for the things I've mentioned above? It would help to know what you've based your changes on.

Thanks, Antrim Kate (talk) 23:24, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I have not got back sooner and I might be offline for a while yet because of the floods. I have made a few edits on military bio's, with what's been going on of late I can't rightly remember what I've done and for what specific reasons, if you could list a couple of your pages of interest that would be good.

In regards to the page you have already pointed out; The table I replaced with mine enables more detailed information to be added without making the replaced table look too odd, I am happy with the other table though. I removed the year awards from the infobox to tidy it up as it could go into the table and I changed the CBE ribbon.

The changes I made to Richard Barrons is a good example of what I am trying to achieve throughout British Armed Forces officers, which is clear and concise. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 05:31, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

That's a perfectly prompt reply as far as I'm concerned. Sorry to hear you're having weather problems - obviously get back to me when you can. The medal table for Richard Barrons is about the size I think they should be (so as not to upset too many people). You've also got his MBE and OBE there as well as the CBE, with their dates, which is also what I was thinking should be included. What I hadn't spotted on the pages I was looking at (Stuart Peach, Andy Pulford, Tim Anderson and Stephen Hillier) was that you'd put this info into the medal tables, so apologies for that. I do still think that it would be better to have that info in the infobox though - they are still "significant awards" or whatever the wording is - and I think the medal tables would be better just showing the current medals - they'd be neater with no double rows and, with just a description of the medal, they'd stay the same size as the infobox rather than spreading out. What are your reasons for preferring it the other way around? Antrim Kate (talk) 23:36, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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Iraq Medal

I took the trouble of explaining my edit [2] with an edit summary, and you just made the same change I reverted without explaining why. Perhaps you are right, but I suspect you are not for the reason I highlighted. As such pls respond to my concern with a reference before just reverting. It doesn't really seem that much to expect. Anotherclown (talk) 10:00, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

The Joys of Ageing

Now, I knew that.] (However, I had forgotten.) Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:29, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Age will get us all eventually. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 06:35, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXIII, February 2013

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Honorary Companions of The Order of Australia

I couldn't find anything in the Constitution of The Order of Australia to substantiate this edit of to remove post-nominals AC from Kiri Te Kawana. The Governor-General of Australia did use sect 30. to issue the Designations and Insignia Ordinance and Sect 3(c)(i) states:

A member of the Order of Australia or a person awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia is entitled —
(c) in the case of a Companion, or honorary Companion —
(i) to have the letters “AC” placed after his or her name on all occasions when the use of such letters is customary;

While your edit was made in good faith the constitution of the Order permits honorary members to use the same post-nominals as a substantive member.

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post-nominal template

Hi, That new template looks rather useful. If you haven't done so, can I suggest that you advertise it at WT:MILHIST? Regards, Nick-D (talk) 11:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is. I shall do that now. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 11:16, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

My but you've been a busy boy! (And yes, I also agree "That new template looks rather useful.")

Given the amount of manual work you are doing, have you considered the idea of using a script or bot? I know very little about either, but there are plenty of helpful people who do. It would be a useful skill to acquire, and a more interesting and enjoyable use of your time & effort than endless hours of manual editing. (A further benefit is that you could then explain it all to me, but I guess that's not much of a benefit to you ... ) Anyway, good work / well done. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree, it would be helpful and useful to learn. At the moment I'm hoping by puting it on enough pages that other editors will pick it up and spread it as well. If I did learn I would pass on to you any useful information, since you've taught me so much about Wikipedia editing. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 20:58, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

At the moment I'm hoping by puting it on enough pages that other editors will pick it up and spread it as well. - Good strategic thinking! (i.e. Get somebody else to do it.) With that sort of attitude you'll go far. (I'm impressed. Just don't forget to invite me for a ride on your 40 metre yacht when you acquire it ... ) And thanks for the kind words. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:52, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

In a couple of years I'm hoping that 40 metre yacht will have the colours of freedom on it and have POLICE written on the side of it. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 10:57, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Dates at ODM of Oz

Thanks! (As you probably noticed, I'm running out of steam/motivation.) There's nothing like a bit of collaboration to improve one's motivation! Most appreciated. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:44, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Operational Service Medal - for civilians

I have a colleague who has just returned from TK saying he has picked up two gongs - the NATO ISAF, and the Oz Operational Service Medal for civilians. I can't find any information about the Oz Operational Service Medal for civilians, except that the OSM for Border Protection press releases mention that there are plans to have one ...
Can you throw any light on my problem? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:31, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2013G00260 - 12 Feb 2013 - "It is also notified for general information that the Governor-General has approved certain conditions for the award of the: Australian Operational Service Medal – CIVILIAN" (Not very useful)

http://www.gg.gov.au/sites/default/files/files/honours/regulations-updates/20130205165357826.PDF - 11 pages, dated 12/12/12(!)

It is notified for general information that the Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia has approved certain conditions for the award of the Australian Operational Service Medal - Civilian, as detailed in the following Declarations and Determinations: ... conditions for award of the Australian Operational Service Medal (Civilian) with Clasp: 'EAST TIMOR', 'ICAT', 'IRAQ 2003', 'SOLOMON IS II', 'TIMOR-LESTE'

NO mention of current operations like ISAF. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:05, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

<grin> This seems to sum it up nicely! (source) Pdfpdf (talk) 14:14, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I would love to know as well, but alas I don't. You should get you colleague to send you a photo, It could be a Wiki exclusive. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 21:02, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Not a bad idea! Thank you. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:00, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

You have an order of wearing for OSM-BP. Well done! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:04, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Still nothing about the OSM-Civ. Apparently "picked up" is ambiguous! He meant: he is eligible for it; not that he had been awarded it ... (yet). I must admit that I'm surprised how slow off the mark they are with this one. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:04, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Donaldson

No supporting reference. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:58, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Probably the best time to ask than. I have Gen Hurley on facebook and he recently posted a pic of Donaldson with it, how do I ref a facebook photo?Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 00:41, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a URL for the picture? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=450053378409930&set=pb.332411066840829.-2207520000.1367244016.&type=3&theater Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 14:01, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

You may also notice, he is wearing his ribbons upside down....... WOW! Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 14:02, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean upside-down, or back-to-front? (And no, until you pointed it out, I hadn't noticed.)

But isn't it more a case of "out-of-order" than either upside-down or back-to-front?

Donaldson's WP page says:

(To me), Hurley's photo looks like 6 ribbons: Top row: VC; ?; Bottom row: ISAF; ?; white-green-white(?); white-red-white(?)

RS's ribbons are also difficult to decipher, (though a bit simpler than Donaldson's).

a) What do you think Donaldson is wearing?

b) This sort of uncertainty is what the pedants latch on to, saying a picture is non-definitive. Personally, I think that argument is bull-shit, but in a talk page debate, saying that is ... errr ... "not useful". Pdfpdf (talk) 15:16, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I seem to have missed your last comment here, I can identify all Australian and most of the current British medals and ribbons as well as groups from a glance pretty easily, but that could be because I didn't have a life for a while and studied that kind of stuff. Now I have a bookshelf legit full of books about this king of stuff. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 14:33, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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RSM-A

Hi. I added to the Warrant Officer of the Air Force page after a bit of research. Would you be interested in tackling a RSM-A page? Gbawden (talk) 07:45, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I have been considering doing that for sometime now, I will look into it than. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 01:49, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Stretton

Again, no supporting references. And I have my doubts about a couple of the awards, particularly the Fed star on the DLSM and the 3 rosettes on the NM. Please review, correct, and preferrably add references. BTW: The Scotch obit says:

Alan served in the Korean War in the 1st Battalion from 1954 to 1955, and served in Malaya as the commanding officer of the Australian battalion (1961-63). He was awarded the MBE (Military) on 13 December 1955 for his Korean service.

and

On 12 June 1965 he was awarded the OBE (Military) for his Malayan campaign and on 8 January 1971 was awarded the CBE (Military) for his Vietnam service. In 1970 the South Vietnamese government awarded him its DSO and in 1973 the US awarded him the Bronze Star.

so that gets you off to a good start. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:36, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I've added a few more refs, I'm not sure how to ref a picture though or if it is even common practice on wikipedia. http://www.portrait.gov.au/site/collection_info.php?acno=1999.32 Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 03:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes. You said that in a previous section, too. I guess I haven't responded because I don't really like any of the methods I've thought of so far. I'll continue to think about it. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

This seems to me to be as good/bad as any of the alternatives, though I know there are pedants-with-a-POV who do not agree with me. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:45, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

MG

Well Thank You! (That explains the 10 I couldn't find ... ) Pdfpdf (talk) 12:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Y'know, you can spend a LOT of time looking for something that's not there, and what's more, you NEVER find it!

(Of course, your new correct information requires a re-write of certain parts of the article ... Pdfpdf (talk) 12:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC))

INTERFET

No, I don't think this is a good idea. Maybe a separate page named something like List of recipients of the INTERFET medal, (or even a category - e.g. Category:Recipients of the INTERFET medal), but this page, (International Force East Timor Medal), is about the medal, not about people who have received it.

Yes, I understand why you've done it, (I've done similar myself in the past), but my experience is that one of the pedants (maybe even me!!) will come along and revert it. Please yourself, but you can't now say you haven't been briefed! Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:31, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

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Ribbons

Howdy. If you are going to create ribbons, please can you make them 100x30px? And can you make them bear at least a passing resemblance to the original?

(BTW: If doing so was easy, I would have already done it. e.g. Just for a start, what colours are the ribbon? Every example I look at is a different colour combination to ALL the others ... Pdfpdf (talk) 13:12, 10 May 2013 (UTC))

Yeah I know the colours don't look quite right, I did my two versions (as you've posted above' based on that done by PalawanOz using the size he did Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 14:27, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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Please see WP:NFLIST you cannot use that file. Werieth (talk) 22:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Non-free image use in galleries or tables usually unacceptable, but should be considered on a case-by-case basis - It's an article of official Australian flags so it would be a Case-by-case basis.Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 22:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:NFCR#Submissions_for_List_of_Australian_flags_and_List_of_New_Zealand_flags Werieth (talk) 23:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

The link page gives no information to why it cannot be on the page in question. Your linked page give a further link (WP:NFLIST) however above I have shown that it does not inhibit the image going on the page is question. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 23:09, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Lets take your points above one at a time. 1) who says its allowed? there is no entitlement for the usage of non-free media. 2) says who? this same thing could be claimed for List of Characters in X which has been soundly rejected. 3) No clue what your point is. 4) It is licensed as non-free which means it must comply with WP:NFCC. 5) has no barrings on this discussion. 6) same as point 3. || Now Lets take a look at WP:NFCC specifically #8 how is not having one file in a list of flags prevent the reader from understanding Australian flags? Getting a overview of Australian flags with free files is sufficient. Werieth (talk) 23:16, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

The list is actually from your linked page. The Image only contains one non-free image, that of the ANC's official crest. The Image does not have a page of its own E.G. Australian National Flag. Try reading your evidentiary dot points. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 23:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

How Do We Lay Out Birthday/New Year Honours Lists

I've started a discussion on how to lay out the honours pages given there's several different layouts. Have seen you're working on the 2013 Birthday Honours pages so would definitely like to hear your opinion. -- Karl Stephens (talk) 09:36, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Order of Australia - Corruption.

If you must delete entire sections can you please make an attempt at explaining why. This section is very relevant to the topic, it is not original research, it was fully referenced and there was no call to vandalize the topic by making this bulk deletion. Laughton.andrew (talk) 14:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Laughton.andrew, but that's your opinion, (not fact), and my opinion has differences to yours. As a piece of friendly advice, I suggest that you try understatement in preference to overstatement. You open with the perfectly reasonable statement: "If you must delete entire sections can you please make an attempt at explaining why." But then you go overboard. Maybe the section is indeed very relevant to the topic, but you don't explain how or why, and you don't provide supporting references that explain how or why, or support your (missing) explanation. "it is not original research" - Hmmm. I disagree. Perhaps you should re-read WP:OR? "it was fully referenced" - Errrr. No. It wasn't. "and there was no call to vandalize the topic by making this bulk deletion." - So it's a good thing that he didn't do that, isn't it! Pdfpdf (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Nat, I came here to advise you of activity on Order of Australia and Talk:Order of Australia. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for idea abou putting in the honours. There must be a simple way of copying them all in from one of the websites - as long as links to the various wiki-pages are not lost. SMSophiahounslow (talk) 09:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

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Medal for Gallantry

Hi! I'm a bit tied up for the next few days. Want to keep an eye on Medal for Gallantry? (No big deal if you don't - it will still be there when I get back.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:19, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Sure, but I have limied access to the internet at the moment because I'm stuck on an army base in NSW.Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 22:43, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Cooroy heritage listings

The reason I was deliberately vague about the number of heritage sites and the use of the "including" is because I am working my way (slowly) through the Queensland Heritage Register (there's over 1500 entries). It is quite possible that there will be more entries for Cooroy from that heritage register or from the LGA's local heritage register (which I have not started yet). I put the street addresses in as often heritage listings are in precincts or "streetscapes" so keeping the addresses there enables me to group the entries (as I find them) sensibly by location. I realise it might not make sense in isolation but it does make sense in the bigger picture. Kerry (talk) 04:08, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, I did a 'Cooroy' search in the register and it only came up with the two you've already listed. But checking it by specific location sounds like a good idea, best of luck. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 04:12, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Sigh, the Queensland Heritage Register is a bit iffy with its locations. Some are just plain wrong (mistranscribed I think -- often a name similar to the real name), others were probably right at the time of the listing but the place name has changed over time, some are not actual place names but names of other things such as railway lines (particularly common for heritage-listed railway bridges) so I often find entries beyond the obvious ones (I start with the obvious ones). Although they don't provide the lat/long coordinates for each entry, they will email you a map for each entry from which you can read off the coordinates - these maps seem to be pretty accurate, so I use them whenever the stated location seems doubtful. Kerry (talk) 04:23, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Bruce Alexander McDonald

New article. (i.e. "Fresh blood".) I've had my go at it; I think it would be rather selfish of me not to let you have your go! Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:50, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

P.S. If you can find his death date, AND a reliable supporting reference, I will be ... "very impressed". Pdfpdf (talk) 11:50, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Gustav Nossal

And while you're at it, you might want to cast your eye over Gus's page. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:07, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

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Talkback

Talkback Pdfpdf (talk) 14:18, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Post-nom template

I had a fiddle with it. Have a look at

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Post-nominals/AUS/doc
• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neville_McNamara&curid=11310408&diff=568654446&oldid=568645972

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:38, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I like, I like alot. Good job, thats definitely improved the template heaps. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 21:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Warning Will Robertson!

Background

It occurs to me that the subject title may mean nothing to you, which, in my completely unbiased opinion (cough, cough), is a shame, so I'll proceed to bore the pants off you. In the mid-20th-century, a comic book titled Space Family Robinson (no prizes for guessing its origins) became so popular that Hollywood just had to cash in on it, and Lost in Space made them pots of money. (Again, no prizes for guessing I lusted after Angela Cartwright - or at least, as much as a naïve teenager can lust after a black-and-white image of a female ... Meanwhile, back at the ranch ...) The young lad in the TV show, Will Robertson, struck up a relationship with the robot, (no, don't ask), and whenever the robot perceived a risky / dangerous situation, it blurted out at full volume in a suitably robotic-like voice: "Warning Will Robertson!" (Yeah, OK, you had to be there - ask your parents - maybe they can explain it.) Anyway:

add his full compliment of WW2 medals based on his official portrait as Chief of Naval Staff for the Australian Command and Staff College - http://krystiimelaine.com/P_Admiral_Sir_Anthony_Synnot.html - I'll warn you that there are those who do not consider portraits sufficient evidence. Pdfpdf (talk) 10:58, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

(No, I don't know why they don't think "a picture is worth a thousand words" - I've read their so-called justifications, but it all sounds like WP:I just don't like it to me.) Pdfpdf (talk) 10:58, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

OSM for civvies

You tease! Pdfpdf (talk) 10:27, 19 August 2013 (UTC) (i.e. Anything definitive from anywhere official? And where did that photo come from? Etc. Pdfpdf (talk) 10:27, 19 August 2013 (UTC))

Have you got any idea where these two photos came from, and/or what their copyright status is/are? Pdfpdf (talk) 10:37, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

• https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/s720x720/970503_602458699777258_664316087_n.jpg
• https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/s720x720/525099_531889413500854_789933989_n.jpg

Heritage Medals, they have a contract with the ADF for replica medals;

• http://www.heritagemedals.com.au/australian-operational-service-medal-civilian.html

Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 11:28, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, well, well! (You learn something new every day.) Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk)

I assume you know the OSM civ is now on the Defence website? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

(P.S. One of my colleagues tells me he has actually received his! (ICAT clasp.) He's promising to bring it into the office. Pdfpdf (talk))

Woo hoo!! Pdfpdf (talk) 10:44, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm a little disappointed that you haven't made a fuss over the photo ... But don't worry, I'll live. Life is full of small disappointments.
(I'm not very good at this "guilt" business ... Ho hum.) Pdfpdf (talk) 12:55, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

The medal looks, I had'nt noticed the picture actually. I assume now the 'Arctic Star' and 1939-35 Star with 'Bomber Command' clasp are also featured they (more perspicifically the Arctic Star) should be added to the Australian Campaign Medals page? Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 02:02, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Not wishing to be any more rude that normal, but, ...

• The medal looks, - ?
• I had'nt noticed the picture actually. - Oh. Oh well.
• I assume ... - Hmmm. Good question. Sorry, don't know the answer. Hmmm. Maybe Anthony Staunton might know the answer? (Sorry.)

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

P.S. (Hopefully amusing anecdote.)
I mentioned to my friend that he should have an ICAT clasp for his medal. He replied that there were several other plastic bags that came with the medal that he hadn't looked at yet. A couple of days later he mentioned that, yes, one of the bags actually contained two clasps - one for the medal, and one for the miniature. He said that the one for the miniature was so small that he couldn't pick it up, and he supposed he would have to pay an expert to fit it onto the miniature ribbon. But given that he didn't own a dinner suit, and hadn't worn any sort of suit since he'd been married, he didn't see this as a high priority ...
Pdfpdf (talk) 13:52, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

If/when you're in the mood ...

Template:Australian Honours System and Template:Australian Campaign Medals are inconsistent. (Almost to the point of being unrelated.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:44, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

I can see what you mean, but I believe the desired outcome was the 'Australian Honours System' template would only show awards created through the Australian System, and the 'Australian Campaign Medals' would list the campaign medals awarded to Australians pre and post federation. If it was a workable idea to add all of the (at least post-federation) medals to the 'Australian Honours System' template than I would be happy to look into it. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 05:32, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm. (Don't have an answer.) Pdfpdf (talk) 12:49, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, of course, that's not accurate. My indecision is based on the fact that I don't see the point of two templates where one is a subset of the other. i.e. It seems more logical to have ALL of the campaign medals in one of the templates, and NONE of them in the other. But I haven't thought it through yet. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:55, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

When it comes down to it, i actually agree. There's no point in having it separate but parts the same. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 21:50, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

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QSO

Have any Australians been awarded the QSO?
Has the GG authorized the use of QSO as a post-nominal? Pdfpdf (talk) 11:10, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Sir William Heseltine - Private Secretary to the Sovereign and no i dont believe so, but he did for sometime. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 12:16, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

HELP! (aka Categories for Post-noms, and related matters)

Somehow-or-other I seem to have made myself responsible for Template:Post-nominals/AUS-cats and its documentation. (Silly me!)
This is going to lead me to asking you a number of questions ('coz I don't know who else to ask.)

• Australian Antarctic Medal (AAM) - a) Doesn't seem to appear in Template:Australian Honours System. b) Not sure where it should appear. c) Help! Found it! (At the end of "Meritorious Service Awards") Pdfpdf (talk)

I'll add more entries as I come across them. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:25, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

• (Re Template:Australian Honours System) What order are "Meritorious Service Awards" in? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:29, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The order of wear for the Meritorious awards is;

• Distinguished Service Medal (not a meritorious service award)
• Public Service Medal
• Australian Police Medal
• Australian Fire Service Medal
• Ambulance Service Medal
• Emergency Service Medal
• Medal of the Order of Australia (not a meritorious service award)
• Order of St John (all grades - (not a meritorious service award)
• Conspicuous Service Medal (not a meritorious service award)
• Australian Antarctic Medal
• Royal Victorian Medal (not a meritorious service award)

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Whatever approach you choose to take, you continue to have my support. Quite clearly and obviously, this guy is a WP:DICK. (After all, you really have to be screwing up in a BIG way to annoy the calm and rational Nick-D, and I see that the history of his talk page includes "less than supportive" comments from a number of reasonable / rational / reliable / sensible / editors, so you are in "low risk" territory.) But never-the-less, I expect that at your age you have no great wish to be categorised as a "grumpy old man". If you are finding my post a bit random, I'm more than happy to clarify things via email.
Meanwhile, I continue to be impressed by your diligence. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not really finding this too random, but doing night shifts at work, doing call-outs with the SES then sailing most weekends with the navy cadets is taking its toll. Heck I'm on Wikipedia right now, looking out my window and all I can see is a gum tree surrounded by a blue sky with a dam next to it... its a lovely day so i might go and enjoy it (after an episode of Foyles War maybe). Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 23:53, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

666!

As one of a highly select international group, you are hereby invited to join me in celebrating my 666! (Let the games begin!) Pdfpdf (talk) 11:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

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G'day mate, Just wanted to let you know that I am a close relative of Mike Hindmarsh. He contacted me yesterday asking that I change some incorrect information in regards to his Wikipedia page. He is, in fact a Major General in the UAE armed forces, the article which reported him as a Lieutenant General has incorrectly reported so (He wishes!). Cheers, Backswamp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Backswamp (talk • contribs) 21:26, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough, I can only go off the refs provided, but seems legit. Cheers for the heads up. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 01:51, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Shire of Noosa timeline

I just saw the timeline for the mayors that you added to Shire of Noosa. It looks very nice and does convey information that isn't obvious from the list of names and dates. I've been doing a lot of work lately on trying to get at least a basic article on all our former shires, and lists/tables of majors and populations etc are part of that, so I had been wondering about better ways to present this kind of info than just a list or table. Did you use any tool to generate this timeline, or is this something that you have to manually edit to create? If it was a tool, can you point me at it as I can see it would be quite useful. Thanks. Kerry (talk) 06:56, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I do wish you luck in your endeavour, I came across the timeline sometime ago and have since placed it on the Chief od the Defence Force (Australia) page as well as others along those same lines. Just copy and past it into what ever article you need and change the values, play around with it on your sandbox because its pretty cool. If your looking for something different then check out the list of monarchs on the Monarchy of Australia page which is one of mine. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 11:58, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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Oz Knights Bachelor

(In response to recent uncited edit, and to your edit of 16 June 2013)
Howdy! What alerted you to Hintze's knighthood? - Do you know if there have been any others since Bingham's in 1988? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:03, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

On the 2013 Birthday Honours, he had 'AM' after his name which drew my attention. See - http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/60534/supplements/1 (2nd from the top in the second column, on page 1). Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 11:08, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Also, to the second, not that I am aware of. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 11:09, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! (Appreciated.) Pdfpdf (talk) 12:27, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Ramblings: i) Interesting eh? ii) No KtB between 1988 and 2013 - also interesting? iii) Presumably no (other) major donations to either party by Australians in this period? iv) Afterthought: What about Rupert Murdoch? Reflection: Who cares? v) Such ramblings must be a reflection on the time of day (Yes, I see it's fast approaching 23:00) vi) It's Monday tomorrow - discretion says it's probably a good time to go to bed.

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:27, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm. I gather you feel my sense of humour is of limited appeal? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:35, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I didn't realise you put that there, but I didn't see the point in it.Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 00:25, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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Shire of Noosa

Thanks for your edits about Cooroy being the location for the new council. Do you know what happened to the former shire chambers in Pelican Street, Tewantin or why they decided on Cooroy rather than Tewantin? Kerry (talk) 01:44, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Your welcome. No the ceremony started earlier then it was supposed too so i only arrived during Sandy Boulton's oath. But during Noel Playfords speach at the end it did make mention of the council chanmers being altered by the SCRC and it was no longer suitable to the new NSC council team, so until that is ready the cooroy hall will service the council. Noel did make mention of a new chambers (though he could be refering to the current chambers after the alterations are done) but a lady i spoke too who was there for the entire ceremony said they are building new chambers at either cooroy or the suburb between cooroy and tewantin (sorry i forgot the name). On a side note, Noel also said all of the furniture at the current chambers was being removed and not going back (not sure why, wrong logo maybe?). Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 04:24, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, maybe the full text of the speech will appear on their website (when they have one) or in the local newspaper.Kerry (talk) 04:30, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Their website went live early yesterday morning, http://www.noosa.qld.gov.au/ Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 04:53, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for reverting my revert (meant quite sincerely). The edit I *thought* I was reverting was about Sunshine Coast being named by Marnie Wood, which came from an IP editor who's been vandalising a number of articles of late. I have no idea how I managed to revert the wrong edit. Anyhow, I will go now and get rid of the "Marnie" nonsense which is what I was trying to get rid of in the first place. Kerry (talk) 07:56, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Sunshine Coast Region edit - this is really weird?!

Thanks for reverting my revert (meant quite sincerely). The edit I *thought* I was reverting was about Sunshine Coast being named by Marnie Wood, which came from an IP editor who's been vandalising a number of articles of late. I have no idea how I managed to revert the wrong edit. Anyhow, I will go now and get rid of the "Marnie" nonsense which is what I was trying to get rid of in the first place. Kerry (talk) 07:56, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

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Baronets

In passing I've just noticed you adding Bt after a peerage. You may be unaware that this is not officially used for peers because it is an abbreviation not a true post nominal. eg. Sir John Smith Bt OBE becomes Lord Smith OBE. See the Duke of Westminster as an example.. All the best Garlicplanting (talk) 14:52, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Do you have any support ref's other then the gazette? The 'Bt' is an offical post-nominal used for those with higher titles (when E.G. 'Mark Edwards, 4th Baron Burke').Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 17:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Take your pick; search the offical sites for any parliamentary paper/committee/Act/Warrant/legal document/publication or similar! Bt follows the self same rules as Kt (Knight) and for non knights Esq. It cannot, and is not, officially used after the title. Chat all you like. Garlicplanting (talk) 11:39, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Cool, no need to be a prick but, however I call your attention to something you have overlooked... The Standing Council of the Baronetage seems to support my statement and since they are the group responsible for all Baronets I think they know what is correct. Chat all you like. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 21:23, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I have been perfectly civil to you so why descend into personal abuse. The SCB, of which I am perfectly aware, is private organisation - it is not parliament nor the official government newspaper nor is it an official publication by a government department from which sources I quoted. I have provided multiple official sources - the SCB is one non-government source and not of superior authority quite the reverse. And they don't so far as I can see support you in any event. If you are confusing say "Sir John Smith, 2nd Baronet; 2nd Baron Smith" that is a conventional listing of titles which is fine and a form that raises no issues it doesn't say "Baron Smith Bt" is correct. Garlicplanting (talk) 11:03, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Hmmm. Chat all you like. is hardly "perfectly civil". In fact, the way you have used it is rude. "It ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it." In Australia, we refer to arrogant know-alls as pricks - maybe it's a language thing that doesn't translate? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:09, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

His sig says "Want to have a chat?" - "chat all you like" seemed a perfectly friendly tag on my post. As to your other remarks - I suggest you re-read Wikipedia:CIVIL#Edit_summary_dos_and_don.27ts.Garlicplanting (talk) 14:37, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Umm yeah, you are on my talk page here buddy, but if I have caused any insult I do apologise. And 'Want to have a chat?' is simply more interesting than 'Talk' but adding 'Chat all you like' is hardly appropriate. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 15:59, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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Howdy! What did you base this on? (I haven't found anything relevant / useful.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:53, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

http://www.defence.gov.au/news/navynews/editions/4718/topstories/story03.htm

I should have ref'd it to start with, my bad there. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 15:56, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

What the hell are you doing editing WP after midnight? Am I teaching you ALL of my bad habits? Pdfpdf (talk) 16:01, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

P.S. I agree, I can't identify them either! Pdfpdf (talk) 16:05, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Workig 9pm-6:30am shifts half the week can cause some side-affects including not knowing what day time is. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 16:06, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

RD

Fascinating. Never heard of it! Please point me at more information. Pdfpdf (talk) 11:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

From what I know the Decoration for Officers of the Royal Naval Reserve (RD) is much like our RFD, see Decoration for Officers of the Royal Naval Reserve. Now the GG has made all of the honours lists from 1975 onwards more accessable, I have found quite a few RD recipients receiving the AM. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 11:50, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

So (presumably) RD is an "Imperial" award? So why doesn't it appear in the Order-of-Wearing document? (OK, that's a somewhat rhetorical question. Never-the-less, it will probably need an answer sometime in the not too distant future ... ) Pdfpdf (talk) 12:14, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

(Sigh. The older I get, the more aware I become of the actual size of the libraries that are full of information about which I know nothing ... Pdfpdf (talk) 12:14, 17 March 2014 (UTC) )

Post-noms template

For it to appear in the Post-noms template, there needs to be some justification - i.e. a supporting reference. It doesn't appear in "Order of wearing", so what's your justification? i.e. please provide a justification, or revert your edit. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I added it because some recipients of the RD appear in the Honour's lists starting from 1975 Queen's Birthday Honours (Australia) - See AM Military Division. The RD is from what I can gather is rated as an equiv to the Efficiency Decoration (ED). The are both indirectly listed as being No. 95 on the list - Long Service Medals (Includes Imperial efficiency and long service awards.) - Which in its self is very vague. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 22:33, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Wow! I'm impressed by your response. OK, I'll pull my head in and stop bothering you. Pdfpdf (talk) 10:23, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I am not bothered. I actually agree with you, some sort of Reference system might be a good idea for the po-noms template, I just don't have the time to do it. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 13:40, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I can understand that. I can even sympathise with it. Never-the-less, I remain impressed. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:25, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

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Order of the Thistle

Hmmmm. You used the wrong template parameter. (i.e. You used GBR-cats.) Interesting that it took me 3 months to notice! How did I notice? Order of the Thistle was a member of category:Honorary Companions of the Order of Australia. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:10, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

BTW ...

1) "Talkback" Pdfpdf (talk) 11:49, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

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Knox

Where did you find his birthdate? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:41, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

https://www.navy.gov.au/biography/vice-admiral-ian-knox Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 14:03, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

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(If the subject line quote means nothing to you, ping me, and I'll supply a reference.)

Regarding Peter Cosgrove, I assumed that with "76 intermediate revisions by 31 users" since I was last there, there'd be lots of work to do. a) From my POV, there was none. b) This seemed to me to be due to you. Therefore, I here-by award you the "I'm impressed" Barnstar (except, I can't find one.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:26, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Cheers. I wanted it looking pretty good before too long, though is still needs a lot more work, E.G: Botox 'Military service' and 'Cyclone Larry Taskforce' (maybe). Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 10:32, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh yes. But never-the-less, "I'm impressed". Pdfpdf (talk) 11:51, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I emailed Stephen Brady this evening, in regards to Cosgroves complete complement of foreign honours including dates. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 12:50, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:46, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

(Should "things" not progress at reasonable speed, I'm happy to "co-sign" (or whatever), and I imagine that JackofOz would be too. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:46, 28 March 2014 (UTC)) Pdfpdf (talk) 13:46, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm quite impressed with your recent edits, and their explanatory summaries. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:34, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

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Nathanael, the images you uploaded a while back -- the Officer of Cadets (OOC) Ranks insignias? Those were very useful. But last week, you made a mistake.

You uploaded new versions of the insignias, which you found on UniformInsignias.org. Those are not free images; they belong to Tony Baldwin (the graphic designer). And even if they were free, you shouldn't have uploaded them as "own work", because they're not your own work and that screws up the provenance.

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Stuart Smith

Hi Nathanael. Is there a reason that User:Nford24/Stuart Smith (general) has not been moved to the main wikispace (and had various links created)? I found it with Google, and there doesn't appear to be a page in main space for him. I'm pretty sure all generals are by definition notable enough. Cheers. --Scott Davis ^Talk 02:04, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I didn't move the page into mainspace because it lacks a lot of core information about the person (with the exception of the honours) owing to copyright on his bio by defence. If you feel that it would be best to move it I am more then happy too. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 03:30, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I'd move it out and link it up, and cite what we can from the public biographies and news reports of promotions and awards. While it's in user-space, it looks like you're still planning to work on it before it goes live, but he's been in the current job long enough people will look here to find out stuff sometimes. Thanks for starting it. --Scott Davis ^Talk 03:39, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I've just moved it to the mainspace. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 03:46, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I've made the two links to it that I had noticed were missing. Might have a go at filling in more info later if I get time and remember :-) Keep up the good work. --Scott Davis ^Talk 03:55, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

(I need a better / more reliable internet connection)

My God but there are a lot of self-opinionated people editing Wikipedia! (No doubt myself included.)
You have come across a gold nugget with Scott Davis.
(I came here to whine and complain - I think it's great that Scott's presence has shut me up.) Thanks Scott. Thanks Nat. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:48, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

a) I can't remember why I came here.

b) You've archived!

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:48, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

"You've archived!", careful now, I might just get a big head. Anyway cheers. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Here) 10:52, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Surely such a thing could never happen! Surely? ;-) Pdfpdf (talk) 10:58, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Order of the Thistle

Order of the Thistle Hi Nathaniel Because I do not understand the formatting stuff properly, I am not confident to make the amendment myself, but the following correction May interest you. The Chancellor of the Order of the Thistle remains the Earl of Airlie. The confusion with lord Smith... arises because the honours list for the thistle is formally approved by the chancellor of that order and, depending how you have access to it, the text all runs together to appear that lord Smith of Kelvin is, in fact appointed chancellor. He was not. The full PDF transcript available through the gov.uk portal is clearer if your device can read it properly. "Chancellor of the Order of the Thistle" is then clearly on a separate line as authorising the publication of the names of the two new knights. I think the confusion arose because of the way newspapers reported these appointments. Thistle appointments, as you know, are normally made on St Andrew's Day in November, but last year that day was overshadowed by a helicopter tragedy in Glasgow. I assume that is why the announcement was deferred to New Year. Had the thistle appointments been issued alone, I do not think the reporting would have been confused. As it is, the press converted the whole PDF document into text for their papers and the formatting suddenly became confusing. PS sorry to appear a pedant, but I am pleased that you take a real interest in the honours system. I am looking forward to seeing who gets the three vacant Garters (if any are awarded this year) on St George's Day - not long to wait! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.99.146 (talk) 11:34, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Actually your suggestion checks out. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 11:38, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Ratan Tata

You may wish to check your facts before reverting people twice. I've given a link in my edit summary when I reverted your second reversion, and if you don't trust an Indian newspaper as a WP:RS you might want to read https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/302680/2014_Honorary_Awards_-_April_Update.pdf - David Biddulph (talk) 08:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

I think you find the point of confusion come from where you placed him, it is an honorary award and you put him in the wrong list. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 10:31, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, i would like to have your opinion about a discussion which i started here, thank.Kingroyos (talk) 23:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

My Opinion

I'm not intending to give you an overinflated opinion of your own self importance, but my personal opinion is that I think you have been around on wikipedia long enough for "people" to have formed their own opinion of you and the value of your contributions, and in general, I expect that most (if not all) would agree that (at a minimum), your contributions are "very useful" Pdfpdf (talk) 18:10, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Well thank you, that does mean a lot coming from you. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 07:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

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Reference for Tim Barrett

Hi Nford24, thanks for adding that to the article. My suggestion would be that you use Template:Twitter status inside ref tags if that makes sense. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:40, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks, I'll add it in. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 06:06, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Hurley

a) Good work!
b) (I hesitate to mention it, but ... ) Uncited.
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:36, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

P.S. Given the redlink on the category, you may wish to investigate:

• Order of the Crown of Thailand
• Category:Order of the Crown of Thailand
• etc.

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:44, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

There is a ref of WP, I just have not had a chance to add it to Hurley's page. See Tim Barretts VADM promotion sentence on his page. Hurley is seen wearing them in the picture. Unfortunately thats all the reference I hae for them. Excepet he was not wearing them last Thursday for sure. I'll add the ref to Hurley when I finnish work. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 15:46, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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Hey! I am just after an opinion. A graphic designer has done the various RAN/RAAF & ANC/AAFC/AAC ranks using his awesome skill and I have been given access to the originals and permission to use them on WP. I have added the flag rank hardboards to the RAN page and was wondering (in your opinion) if I should replace the sleeve lace with the SRI (soft rank insignia) versions then add the hard board's as well. I will (in the coming days) add the OR/WO ranks and the WON special insignia to complete the section. Cheers Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 08:34, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

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Howdy! Sorry, but I'm not the best person to ask - I can only warn you of some of the things that WILL thwart you (as they have me), if you do it wrongly (as I have in the past). I'm not sure that User talk:Ian Rose is an expert in the area either, but he most certainly will be able to point you to someone who is. So, I've taken the liberty of asking him. See User talk:Ian Rose#ADF Ranks. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:25, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks Pdfpdf. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 15:52, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Its a matter of excessive non-free media. We just dont need to include the rank badges for every class. See WP:NFCC#1,3&8. Werieth (talk) 15:59, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Cheers for letting me know Werieth. I have spoken to the author and looked at the licence already used for the same images on another website. [3] is what I should have used. I have uploaded another rank insignia [File:Warrant Officer (RAN Australia).png] with I believe is now the correct licence. Does this work? Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 08:59, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

VCDF

Hi Nford24. Just dropping a note to let you know I have just reverted your addition on the VCDF Group to Vice Chief of the Defence Force (Australia). [4] Quite simply, I reverted the edit as it was unreferenced and a near copy and paste of the text on the Defence VCDF Group page, which is a violation of WP:COPYVIO. Your initiative and contributions are definitely appreciated, but Wikipedia cannot contain copyright text from other websites or sources. If you could please reference future article additions and rewrite text, it would be most appreciated. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 07:30, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey, okay. The VCDFG is essential to the page (as the actual job of the VCDF is to oversea the group). I tried to reword statement but simply couldn't without removing fact and making it a part truth. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 09:02, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

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