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The WikiEagle - January 2022

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Draft: Vaibhav Maloo

Dear User: LeoFrank, There haas been new significant coverage additions to Draft: Vaibhav Maloo. Would it be of interest to Wikipedia now or should I keep this page under construction? Awaiting your kind reply.--User:Nuttyprofessor2016

Hello, Hope you are doing absolutely Fantastic. All four pages of airports of Kerela i.e. COK, CCJ, CCN, TRV have lots of Vandalism data in it. Someone has added Chandigarh, Raipur etc to the page and all are also unsourced. Upon removing them, Users are reverting my edits. please see what you can do about this. Thank you. 49.205.142.14 (talk) 04:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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Air India at Bangalore

Hey LeoFrank, requesting your intervention to check the air india column of the BLR Airport, in which a user called Random Haste is adding some destinations and dates by giving some self created pdf sources which don't look perfectly sourced (one source is from the dgca website which has nothing related to his additions). Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikieditor3453 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Help needed

Hi,Some users are removing content from Chandigarh - they are removing - Vistara - Kolkata route - that route is operated with same flight number, same aircraft and pax does not disembark from aircraft. UK707 is the flight number and you can confirm with Vistara’s website. Looking forward for help in that matter. 649pardeep (talk) 00:04, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, :@LeoFrank: I invite you to Talk:Chandigarh Airport. Dispute over destinations served from Chandigarh Airport and suitability of sources. Your knowledge might helps us to reach the consensus if UK707 UK707 IXC-CCU via DEL without any change at DEL (Direct flight) should be listed on IXC or not. Looking forward to hearing from you. 649pardeep (talk) 06:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

BLR

Hi Leo Frank, i would need your help in this issue, there are a couple of paragraphs in the introduction page of BLR Airport page, which boasts about the achievements the airport has achieved. But, the content is looking promotional and moreover the sentences have been exactly copied from the source supporting that paragraph. I feel these paragraphs are unnecessary and have to be removed as this may be considered as copyright violation as the way in which those have been written is as it is exactly copied from the source. I tried to remove them but a user called random haste is going on reverting my edits. Request you to address this issue. To get a better understanding, would request you to check this revision [[1]]. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikieditor3453 (talk • contribs) 14:52, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

A little mention about achievements is okay, but I agree with you, this is way too much of POV. Anyways, as of now, Sunnya343 has reverted back RandomHaste's edits. — LeoFrank  Talk 16:59, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


Hi @LeoFrank and @Drmies, i would like to talk to you about this user called random haste.

so what happened is yesterday I removed a sentence in Kempegowda International Airport which I feel is not completely meaningful and out of context. It reads "KIA Airport's IATA code 'BLR' is derived from Silicon valley of india', which doesn't actually make sense. But this idiot user called random haste keeps on reverts the edits. He is not bothered to discuss it on his talk page where I even pinged him. he goes on reverts by giving some sloppy reasons He has this ownership attitude towards KIA AIRPORT. He has been in edit war with many people till now and was also blocked once. But hasn't seem to be changed. He once also claimed that he works at KIA. He doesn't allow anyone to make changes to this article if he disapproves that edit. But he'll be the first when it comes to removing content from other airport articles. To be Frank, I'm fed up with this guy. Request you to look into this issue Thanks. Adithya003 (talk) 01:58, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Vijayawada Airport

Hi, it is regrading [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vijayawada_Airport&type=revision&diff=1080766248&oldid=1080762183 this change by the IP. Looks like they are correct since the AAI source does mention NTR Amaravati International Airport. Should we move the article or maintain the WP:COMMONNAME? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:21, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: The name is still Vijayawada Airport per IATA. — LeoFrank  Talk 16:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
That IP range changed reverted our changes, alongwith the maintenance stuff [2]. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:59, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
It happened again [3]. The source they provided this, does mention the full with international - "NTR Amaravati International Airport". Should we mention this term in the lead, but obviously the names at infobox will stay as "Vijayawada Airport", per common name. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:36, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Fylindfotberserk, I'd prefer to rely on the IATA code database. AAI website is not reliable in terms of naming of the airport. I do see discrepancy across airports. — LeoFrank  Talk 10:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
OK. I believe you have to revert furtehr. See [4]. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:00, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Fylindfotberserk, Yes, I corrected it. Just the government changing the name is not sufficient, it needs to be changed in each and every place. I still see Vijayawada Airport on FR24. — LeoFrank  Talk 11:02, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Nice. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:22, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, could you keep an eye on / watchlist this article? Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:42, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Why did you revert my changes?

Why did you revert my edits on 12273 Howrah-Duronto Express timings here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howrah%E2%80%93New_Delhi_Duronto_Express? (Libreravi (talk) 13:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC))

Why did you revert my changes?

Why did you revert my edits on 12273 Howrah-Duronto Express timings here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howrah%E2%80%93New_Delhi_Duronto_Express? (Libreravi (talk) 13:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC))

July 2022

Hi Leo Frank. Hope you're doing great. Request you to have a look on this issue. A user called Alotorus is adding a connecting flight route from deoghar to Bangalore via kolkata in Kempegowda International Airport. The source attached by him clearly states that this is a connecting flight. I was explaining him that as per WP: AIRPORTSG, connecting flights shouldn't be added... But he is adding that route again and again. Request you to check it Thanks Wikieditor3453 (talk) 09:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi,Hi Leo Frank. Hope you're doing great. Humble request you to kindly have a look on an article named "Deoghar Airport". A user named "Alotorus" is adding a connecting flight/ layover fligts in airlines and destination section of Deoghar Airport. I told him not to add this connecting flights as it against Wikipedia policies but he won't listen and he keeps reverting the edits done by me and some other user.The news citation attached by him clearly states that this is a connecting flight not the direct one's. Please kindly look into it. Thanks. Flashthomsom (talk) 19:18, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

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September 2023

Information icon Hello, I'm Thewikizoomer. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, it's important to be mindful of the feelings of your fellow editors, who may be frustrated by certain types of interaction, such as your addition to Vistara. While you probably didn't intend any offense, please do remember that Wikipedia strives to be an inclusive atmosphere. In light of that, it would be greatly appreciated if you could moderate yourself so as not to offend. The Vistara airline got its 5th 787 delivered on 1 September 2023, instead of reverting constructive edits and raging at editors talk page, you're advised to refer to citations. Anyways here are the tail numbers of all the 787s delivered to Vistara. CAPSLOCK is for noticing and NOT yelling like you're alleging and resorting to harassment on my talkpage - VT-TSQ, VT-TSO, VT-TSP, VT-TSE, VT-TSD Thewikizoomer (talk) 07:54, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Also you don't need to use multiple warning templates on a single issue. Thewikizoomer (talk) 07:55, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
First, see WP:DTTR. Capslock is for yelling, that's an internet standard way to shout. — LeoFrank  Talk 17:05, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
What you also don't seem to understand is mislabeling edits of users who disagree with you as vandalism. From the discussion at ANI, it is clear that you either do not understand or you choose not to understand. — LeoFrank  Talk 17:08, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

RfC on the "Airlines and destinations" tables in airport articles

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § RfC on the "Airlines and destinations" tables in airport articles. I saw that you participated in a previous discussion on this topic. Sunnya343 (talk) 17:35, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Indic Script consensus

Please kindly read my discussion under User_talk:Javierfv1212#Replacing_Devanagari_with_Brahmi and User_talk:Symphing12#Aṣṭādhyāyī and maybe let's begin anew a talk about consesus on using Indic Scripts, because I think those contained in Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics/Archive_48#Native_languages_in_lead (re:lead)] and Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics/Archive_64#Multiple_Indicscript_in_infoboxes_are_out_of_control (re:infobox) are dated. noychoH (talk) 21:45, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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AI and AIX fleet page

Hi. It's a good thing you've removed 737max orders from Air India fleet page. It's abundantly clear that they'll all go for AIX, yet some people are changing it again and again. May I also request you to update the same on the AIX Wikipedia page as well? P.s. I tried to change it some time back, but like I said, someone keeps changing it again and again 59.88.131.183 (talk) 03:36, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

March 2024

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Your recent editing history at Christ University shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Copy paste of content

Hello LeoFrank, I need your help in reviewing the recent additions by PotatoCyborg in Christ University, which seems unnecessary as the person has basically copy pasted the entire articles, rather than summarising in few lines. Tobinkoshy (talk) 16:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey Tobinkoshy. If you have actually read the wiki contents and the citations it would be obvious that its summarized. It just looks huge because the University has lots of controversies. Please show me at-least one instance of direct copy paste evidence.
And hello LeoFrank. You can't just edit out all the controversies by doing a huge (−12,456) revert back to a version over a month old. If you have any issues with formatting or citations let me know. PotatoCyborg (talk) 15:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
PotatoCyborg Oh really? Ever heard of WP:BRD? And do you WP:OWN the page that I have to consult you to remove problematic content? — LeoFrank  Talk 15:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
LeoFrank, I urge you to consider the principles of Wikipedia's WP:NPOV policy. The extensive reverts seem to diminish the comprehensive nature of the article, potentially skewing the portrayal of Christ University. While I acknowledge the importance of brevity, the deletion of well-sourced and significant information appears as an attempt to obscure the full spectrum of the university's history, including its controversies. We should aim for a balanced representation, allowing readers to access a complete historical record. Rather than large-scale deletions, we should work collaboratively to refine and improve the content, ensuring it meets Wikipedia's standards for accuracy, neutrality, and verifiability. Let's focus on editing and refining the content rather than erasing substantial parts of it, which might inadvertently lead to an information bias. PotatoCyborg (talk) 14:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Please publish all what you are putting up in your news article if you are a journalist. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a collection of news and responses from accused! I suggest you to read WP:NOT which you seem totally unaware of before you just blindly revert to justify your point-of-view — LeoFrank  Talk 14:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
LeoFrank, my intention is not to transform Wikipedia into a news outlet but to ensure that the encyclopedic content reflects a comprehensive and balanced view of Christ University's history, including its controversies, as per Wikipedia's guidelines. The WP:NOT policy you referenced indeed stipulates that Wikipedia is not a newspaper, but it also emphasizes the importance of including significant information relevant to the subject's notability, which these controversies undeniably are. My edits are driven by the desire to maintain a neutral point of view and to document significant events in the university's history, backed by reliable sources. I advocate for a discussion on the content's relevance and representation, not its complete omission, to preserve the integrity and neutrality of the article. Let's collaborate to ensure the content is concise, factual, and adheres to Wikipedia's standards, rather than dismissing substantial, verified information. PotatoCyborg (talk) 15:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
The content you added has nothing to do with WP:NOV. Each and every controversy is also not necessary and notable either. Also, who writes reactions of students, accused in an encyclopedia? This is purely blog-like/news-like material. You are clearly here for a single purpose— LeoFrank  Talk 15:06, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
LeoFrank, acknowledging that not every controversy warrants inclusion in Wikipedia, the instances cited—student suicide linked to sexual harassment allegations, faculty misconduct, and significant student protests—are undeniably notable. These events received extensive coverage from reputable sources, reflecting their impact on the university's community and public perception.
To dismiss these controversies is to overlook the essence of what makes them significant: they are pivotal moments in the university’s history that have led to public discourse, institutional scrutiny, and policy changes. The inclusion of such events in the article is not about sensationalism; it's about documenting the university's history comprehensively and accurately.
We should not shy away from presenting these events in the article, given their documented significance and the substantial attention they've garnered. To do so would be an injustice to the principle of historical completeness and would dilute the article's integrity. As Wikipedia contributors, our role is to ensure that the encyclopedia reflects a full and unbiased record of notable events, supported by credible sources. Let's uphold this responsibility by including these notable controversies in the article, with a balanced and well-sourced narrative. PotatoCyborg (talk) 15:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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