User talk:Kudpung/Archive Nov 2011

Bulgarian Parliamentary elections, 1971

I recently noticed that you added the line:

{{uncategorized|date=October 2011}}

to the article, and I couldn’t help but notice that this article is indeed in not only one category , but in four categories.

Дочуване!

Hi. I'm sorry, but there does not appear to be such an article, the article is called Bulgarian parliamentary election, 1971 and I have never edited it. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks. (and please remember to sign your posts). --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Advertisment tag 2

Sorry if I am being a bit pushy, but I saw that you answered some other users and figured you might not have seen my message

Hey its me again the guy with the COGEN page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COGEN_Europe).... look I've been really banging my head on how to rewrite the article, gave it a few days but I can't really think of a way in which to radically alter the way its written. It really just describes what the organisation is doing and the only reason I mentioned some specific dossiers or report was in order to achieve notability.

Anyway I did adjust it a little, deleting a sentence in which I said that the organisations aims to assure the interest of its members.... and changed the last paragraph a bit....and of course as previously mentioned made more use of pronouns. Not a radical makeover as previously mentioned.

With regard to notability, I think I covered it better than other articles that are out there on wikipedia. I know the publications are all European, but this is where the organisation conducts its activities. I have a reference from Euractiv - reference No. 8 (a very reliable an well known source) which is an interview with the managing director of Cogen Europe. I also have a reference from the European Commission which outlines one of their reports (reference No. 21) and also a few from COSPP (Cogeneration and onsite power production) - an important publication in this field - which emphasize their activities. I could have given more, but then would have had to mention more of their activities.....and apparently the article already says to much about them :).

Just a final note, I used the Friends of Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_Europe) article as a model (because it is a similar size organisation), and I don't see much difference in that article's tone and the one I wrote, and with regard to notability, mine covers it a bit better I think.

Sorry for such a long message, but I just wanted to argue my case a bit better. If you still don't see fit to remove the advert tag or to sorta tell me specifically what bothers you about it, then I really hope that some other users out there will help me out more on this.

Thanks again for your time Bogdan 007 (talk) 22:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

My apologies, as you can see, my talk page has been exceptionally busy this month. I'm looking into this now for you.

I have reviewed the article and checked out all the references and the subjects notability. It's still written like an advert, a press release, or an entry in a B2B directory. The Word COGEN appears too frequently and make the page look spammy. Far too many of the references are to COGEN or COGEN related websites also make the page look spammy - also these are primary sources and cannot be used to establish notability. Unfortunately our main policy is the assertion of notability; this means that even if a subject is notable, if there are not sufficient significant independent sources such as articles about the organisation in the established media, an article cannot be retained. The page as it is currently presented is not really an article, i'ts more a list of statements.

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http://www.chp-goes-green.info/europe/cogen Possibly not reliable as it may have been populated with content or a press release supplied by COGEN or its agents. http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/emcc/content/organisation/tn017o.htm?p1=country&p2=JAPAN Corporate profile listing. Possibly not reliable as it may have been populated with content supplied by COGEN or its agents. http://www.euractiv.com/energy-efficiency/combined-heat-power-generation-chp/article-181255?display=normal is not about the company, it's about cogeneration http://www.cospp.com/articles/2011/09/cogeneration-sector-responds-to-energy-efficiency-directive.html Possibly not reliable as it may have been populated with content or a press release supplied by COGEN or its agents. http://www.euractiv.com/energy-efficiency/heat-and-electricity-industry-eu-energy-strategies-overlook-heat-losses-interview- is an intervies with the CEO of COGEN and is therefore again COGEN talking about itself. http://www.endseurope.com/25174/eu-urged-to-put-chp-at-core-of-energy-policy?referrer=search is a subscription-only access and cannot be verified for compliance http://www.powertecrussia.com/blog/cogen-europe-energy-savings/ is a blog, and it does not appear to be about COGEN. http://www.code-project.eu/category/home/ is not about COGEN http://www.eubusiness.com/topics/energy/cogen-europe-11/ is about an event organised or sponsored by COGEN. This is about a COGEN activity and does not support claims of notability. http://www.enr-network.org/teaming-up-cogeneration-and-district-heating-2-June-2010-Brussels.html is not about COGEN and does not support claims of notability http://www.endseurope.com/25923/chp-sector-cautious-about-planned-energy-law?referrer=search s a subscription-only access and cannot be verified for compliance. it does not appear to be aspecifically about COGEN and does not support claims of notability. http://setis.ec.europa.eu/newsroom-items-folder/new-report-2018cogeneration-2050-the-role-of-cogeneration-in-a-european-decarbonised-energy-system2019 is about activities of COGEN but does not appear to support claims of notability

If you have found similar articles that have not been tagged or deleted, it is possibly because they have not been adequately reviewed, or have escaped our new-page patrol system. I'm sorry I can't be more helpful, and at the moment I cannot see a reason for removing the tag. However, the tag may may invite other editors to find reliable sources. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:25, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

PS: I'm not sure if I gave you this link before: Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations, but it may help. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Happy Halloween!

Sp33dyphil has given you some caramel and a candy apple! Caramel and candy-coated apples are fun Halloween treats, and promote WikiLove on Halloween. Hopefully these have made your Halloween (and the proceeding days) much sweeter. Happy Halloween! If Trick-or-treaters come your way, add {{subst:Halloween apples}} to their talkpage with a spoooooky message!

Not sure if Thailand celebrates Halloween though. --Sp33dyphil © • © 05:42, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I think it's very much an American event, although some people in some of the European countries I have lived in might organise a party at home or a college ball (particularly in Germany). Trick-or-treating I have never known in Europe, and although my country, the UK, is listed - unreferenced - in the article as doing it, I have never known it there. Have a good one :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:07, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Have a good one -- don't trick-or-treat in Bangkok tonight, I heard that there's been a flood XD --Sp33dyphil © • © 06:21, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Abhijitsandbox

Back yet again. I'm not sure what to do with this. Thoughts? →Στc. 07:32, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

G2 is fine and I've also salted it, that's the third or deletion now, and four if you count an earlier one today that I moved to his user space. But I'm sure he'll come up with something else - keep your eyes peeled. I don't think he can read English.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:44, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

PS: See the post below - help is needed! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:49, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Eyes needed

Anonymous IPs are removing comments by the clean-up editors from Wikipedia:India Education Program/Courses/Fall 2011/Machine Drawing and Computer Graphics. I've reverted for now, but I suspect they'll keep it up. Sigh! OK. now I really am off. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Seen the post above? I 'll try to keep my eyes on it. Go spend some time with your grandkids :) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I've protected the page and warned the users that they may be facing a block, and that a block will affect all users on the network. If they do this again, I will block them - I just don't care anymore about soft soaping them. Where are all the CAs in all this? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:04, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

About Mission Pictures International and Curate's eggs

Hi Kudpung. "Oh, no, my Lord, I assure you that some parts of it weren't blatant WP:COPYVIOs." I'm must admit having something of a existential crisis about copyvios: on one hand, I could chop them down to tiny stubs; on the other hand I could tag them for speedy deletion. And this article fell in the middle. And before you ask, no!, I'm not asking for this deleted article to be userfied - I already have more WP:KITTENS than a lost cats home! --Shirt58 (talk) 11:57, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

There are no perfectly bright lines, and as you said, it fell right in the middle. Yesterday I might have chopped it down to a tiny stub myself. Today DD was already open on my desktop and says it was copyvio. No worries, I've deleted hundreds (perhaps 1,000s) of pages and never been asked to refund one yet ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:08, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

If you're not sure about what to do with a copyvio (or can't be bothered dealing with it), you can punt it to Wikipedia:Copyright problems for a second opinion. MER-C 12:59, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

sir srry fr deleting deletion tag

sir srry fr deleting deletion tag and i urge u sir pthis plss do remove the tag coz i ws makin ma frnds biography and i ill never ever mke any fault in wiki pedia in my life.... thank u — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveaaron (talk • contribs) 12:17, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Happy Halloween!

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Cheers! ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 13:15, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

IEP Talkback

Hello, Kudpung. You have new messages at Ramshankaryadav's talk page.
Message added Ram (talk • contribs) 16:07, 31 October 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Hey, Kudpung. Just saw this message as I was stalking a bit. If you need help in a specific area or with a certain list of articles, let me know. I'm have lots of time to use today. OlYeller21^Talktome 16:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

About Vandalism

Hello Kudpung! please check my userboxes on my user page, someone vandalized on it at userbox number five. I suddenly saw it and came here to tell you, thanks.--—Assassin'S Creed ^(talk) 05:04, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

 Done →Στc. 05:29, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Lists are all  Done !

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You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

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IEP Student and article lists

Thanks for uploading that list at Wikipedia_talk:India_Education_Program#IEP_student_and_article_lists_and_how_to_use_them. I noticed that most of the related pages already on my watchlist are not there and I think it is because some of the ones in your list are, or have been turned into, redirects - with the target of the redirect being (also) of note. For example, 32 bit microprocessors (on your list) is just a redirect to Microprocessor (not on your list); Dual port RAM is a redirect to Dual-ported RAM, etc. RichardOSmith (talk) 13:25, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Richard, I'm aware of this, but it would have been impossible to sort through those lists and check every entry. They won't do any harm on your watchlist as they will only show if they are edited. Redirects are important to keep in case anyone turns them back into articles (we've had this happen). --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:30, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Yep, the redirects should certainly be on the wishlist, but it's a shame some of the articles that ought to be getting checked will not be. There are over 700 pages to check, but I'm sure I can automate it. Give me a moment ... RichardOSmith (talk) 13:43, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

The targets of the redirects need to be kept too because the blocked students have started vandalising them. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:50, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I believe this is the list of articles that you actually get when requesting the pages on your list. This list has fewer entries that yours because of some of the pages didn't actually exist, and some of the redirects are to the same target. It is a supplement to your list but will duplicate some of it. RichardOSmith (talk) 14:13, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

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What do you think about all of the articles being marked with the {{tl:IEP assignment}} template or hidden category so that these lists can be live? OlYeller21^Talktome 14:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Thanks again for your work on this Richard. it's most appreciated. Some of the non existent pages might be deletions - there have been quite a few, and some of the usernames may also be blocked socks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:35, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Any objection if I update your list with the combined list? RichardOSmith (talk) 14:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

These lists are for embedding into watchlists only, but as they are complete, it should be quite easy to run a bot to ensure all the article talk pages have the project project templates on their talk pages. Bots need permission, but it could be done semi automatically with AWB. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:40, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll run the check sometime tomorrow or the day after. I'll also try to fetch the redirect pages. As for tagging the pages that pop up as a result, I'll probably do that, but I need permission from the BAG first. ManishEarth^{Talk • Stalk} 04:07, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Warning of Copyvios

Hey Kudpung. I've never had to repeatedly warn an editor about adding copyright violations. Generally, I just use {{tl:uw-copyright}} and the issue stops or the user is blocked. I'm not sure how I feel about leaving that single-issue warning to a student then asking that they be blocked for adding more copyrighted material but four warnings seems like far too many. What method do you use to warn students? Single-issue? 4 levels? I'd feel more confident about blocking if students responded to and acknowledged the warning but that's usually not what happens. Perhaps I'm giving students leeway that I wouldn't give a standard new editor. OlYeller21^Talktome 14:47, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I've just deleted the user page you tagged. Four warnings a mix of any kind from copyvio, disruption of other articles, and recreation of deleted pages. The L4 warning triggers a filter and some admins delete on it. Sometimes, depending on the gravity of the situation, I'll delete at 3 warnings. It's generally immaterial whether the user has responded to the warnings or not. i'm fairly sure that the IEP students are challenged by the language in our TLDR templates and don't understand the implications, but that's not our problem. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:55, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

IEP help

Hey Kudpung, I will assist gladly in the cleanup as I have been doing previously also. I will also try to generate a raw watchlist for you. I wish I could do that right now, however, my semester exams are on and hence it is impossible for me to give time on Wikipedia. I shall again become extremely active after the 8th of November. Till then, please keep me updated as best you can. I do keep checking my talk page and my emails, so that once I am online from the 9th, I shall know exactly what needs to be done. --Debastein1 (talk) 17:52, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. The watchlist data was compiled and posted to the IEP talk page earlier this evening. You have a link to on the message i sent you. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

BLP:PROD

I apologize, I must not have clicked that button. Thanks for fixing that :D Gwickwire (talk) 04:30, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Composition/Improvisation Nos. 1, 2 & 3

Hi. I declined your G12 speedy on this, as after cutting out the copyvio there was (just) enough left to make an article. I have put a {{cclean}} on the talk page and will have a word with the author. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 10:25, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

No problems with that. It was such a massive copyvio I couldn't leave it like it was. But it looks fine now that you have tidied it up. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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Re: If you need help with editing, you can always ask me.

Thank you! I would really like to help out on Wikipedia. I joined a year ago, but stopped and only resumed editing on here two months ago. So I am quite "new". Stats mean a lot to me, but I'd rather know I'd made at least a teeny bit difference to Wikipedia and made it a better place at least by a little bit. My main goal on Wikipedia is not to be recognized for amazing edits and have super amazing stats, (of course it would be nice!) but to help expand this manual. I will certainly keep you in mind if I need help! Thank you! Pinkstrawberry02™ ^talk —Preceding undated comment added 00:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC).

Notations 21 Project

Hello. This is my first time creating a totally new article, although I believe I have edited some years ago.

I posted what I currently have for Notations 21 Project, in the sandbox, as requested.

What would help most here to meet WP requirements? Would photos or videos from events that have taken place in Europe and North America help? Would a description of the principles behind the Project help? Since Notations 21 Project is a for-profit undertaking, is there a possibility it still can qualify for listing? It is truly an artistic, creative, and communication focus, not the typical self-promotion. But I understand the issue you have raised about promotion vs sharing information on a significant entity (organization, person, object).

Thank you!

David Alexander — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opalcomp (talk • contribs) 14:47, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi David. All organisations, including not-for-profit, must meet our criteria at WP:NOTABILITY, WP:GNG (general notability guidelines), and WP:ORG for organisations). Notablity must be asserted by referenced to independent reliable third-party sources. I know it's a lot to read, but I'm afraid that's the downside of being the encyclopedia anyone can contribute to. If your draft can meet these criteria, please ask me again to review it for you. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:54, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Freshman question

Hi- My name is Leslie Fleming and I am a freshman at Clemson University. For my english class we were asked to create or edit a wikipedia page. If you have time I would love if you could look over what I have started in my sandbox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lflemin/Homestead_High_School_(Mequon,_Wisconsin)_sandbox

Thanks so much! Lflemin (talk) 15:14, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I'd be happy too. Please allow me 24 hours due to my time zone. In the meantime please read WP:TPG. :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:29, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

I see you have already asked one editor for help. I'm sure Niki will provide all you need. For schools, do be sure to read WP:WPSCH - you'll find all you need there, and if you still have quetions, see WP:WPSCH/H. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:34, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

What Nikki has not mentioned, is that Wikipedia articles must be neutral - you'll need to remove the mission statement as such sections are considered spammy. You'll also need an infobox. Do check also out WP:WPSCH/AG, and to get some ideas have a look at some school articles I have written such as Hanley Castle High School (my old school), and Malvern College (a WP:Good Article). Note however, that in the UK, school sports are not considered as important as in the USA, most emphasis is on academic study. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay, great! Thank you so much for you assistance and time!

Lflemin (talk) 16:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

John Brunner (Businessman)

You deleted a page entitled "John Brunner (Businessman)" with the reason being that there was no explanation of his importance. The article clearly stated he is a major player in manufacturing field as the leader of Vi-Jon--a company that has been in his family for years. Furthermore, it goes on to point out not only his business background, but his political aspirations as well. He is currently seeking a Senate seat in the state of Missouri. I'd like to know why the post was deleted, and how I can get it restored as soon as possible.

Thank you,

Hugh — Preceding unsigned comment added by HughSprow (talk • contribs) 17:34, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Hugh,
One of the downsides of being 'the encyclopedia anyone can edit' is that there are many policies to be observed that govern the inclusion of articles. Anyone can edit, but we cannot have an article about everyone and everything. The article was deleted under two separate sections of policy:

‎1. Criteria for speedy deletion, section A7: "No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content)". The governing policies for this are:General Notability Guidelines, Biographies of living persons, and Notability criteria for politicians. In addition to which, reliable, independent third party sources, such as significant coverage in the established media, are required as inline links to footnotes, that clearly support all claims and assert notabilitty.

2. Criteria for speedy deletion, section G11 "Promotes an entity, person or product and would require a fundamental rewrite in order to become encyclopedic".Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and cannot be used for advertising, promotion, or political campaigning.(Wikiêdia: Advertising and promotion).

Images: As you are neither the artist, creator, photographer, nor otherwise copyright holder of the image in the article, this cannot be used without the express permission from the image creator, releasing it from copyright. To do this, the copyright holder must personally identify by email by following exactly the instructions at Wikipedia:Contact us/Photo submission.

I know it all sounds very complicated, but our policies and instructions are quite easy to follow. If you are able to comply with the requirements and sources for notability, you are welcome to recreate the article in your Wikipedia sandbox, and as soon as it is ready for publication complete with references, let me know and I will move it to mainspace for you. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:34, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

OrangeTee.com

Hi Kudpung, may I know exactly which part of the content about OrangeTee.com Pte Ltd violates your regulation of non-promotion? Before I create the article, I have read through the articles for other companies in the same industry, e.g. CBRE, Knight Frank. I think that what I described are just the facts about the company, such as the number of staff, history and services. I would appreciate that if you can point out the content that violate your regulations. Thank you very much.Dc0701 (talk) 09:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Please click all the blue links in this message for more details. An article about a company that mainly only lists facts without demonstrating its importance, looks like an entry on a B2B trade directory. See: WP:NOTABILITY. Trade directories and Yellow Pages exist only to promote an organisation's products or services. It may not need to look like an advertisement, but the ultimate goal is the same - see WP:NOTDIR. The purpose of an encyclopedia is not to make anything more widely known; its purpose is to be a repository of information of special interest for those who may want to look something up. Importance must be asserted by references to articles about the organisation in the established media - see WP:RELIABLE SOURCES. If your company meets the criteria in these policies especially at WP:ORG, then it can have an article; however, the fact that other companies have articles may not help. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:24, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Your sysop criteria

So your criteria completely wipes out the possibility of a reformed vandal from 2006 that learned from their mistakes and contributed contructively for 4 years or a good faith editor that did a little mistake for a NAC. I suggest that for your criteria, you have like a time period, like 1 or 2 years since last warning, or things like that. You could be opposing a editor that happens to be vital for the future of Wikipedia (less drama please, so that would be good to have.) ~~Ebe123~~ → report ← Contribs 00:49, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Note that he states that he "usually never follows the criteria" (or something along those lines). →Στc. 01:06, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Correct - and plenty of examples prove it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Ebe, are you starting a conversation or an argument? (I know English isn't your first language). That's probably why I may have appeared dismissive of your previous comment :) Let's put it this way: 6 years, 40,000 edits, voted on 142 RfA with 91.7% accuracy, reviewed 100s of others, founder and coordinator of the WP:RFA2011 project, and one of the firm supporters of WP:RRN, all probably qualifies me to vote on RfA without needing suggestions that I should change my criteria. I also have zero tolerance for drama mongering. It also takes me about one hour to research and make up my mind before casting a vote. Another criteria that is not listed, is that it's interesting to note that newbies who have an I want to be an admin UBX, are probably least likely to be nominated - adminship is not a trophy or a goal to be achieved - and I encourage them to keep editing and wait a while before they even dream of wanting the mop. What I look for above all else in a candidate is maturity - although there are no age limits, there is ample proof that very young admins are likely to derail. We have a tiny number of younger admins, and they act in such a grown up manner, and display such sound judgement that it is impossible to know from their work that they are minors. That said, we have plenty of grown-up admins who behave like children! You can see how you voted at RfA here and how I voted here, Rather than discuss my criteria, why don't we talk about those of other people, and perhaps about yours? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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This is what kills the project, Kudpung. Good long-serving editors who do extraordinary work getting improperly heavied by administrators. --Mkativerata (talk) 05:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Did I CSD it or PROD it or something? When I do NPP I'm not likely to check up on every editor's history when I come across a new page like that. A more detailed investigation would be to discover why the page was at NPP in the first place. Please AGF. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:46, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I do assume your good faith. But you've wrongly heavied a good editor by threatening to strip his autopatrolled right. Fine, we make mistakes. But to take your own words: "Perhaps you could consider" apologising, and "Happy patrolling". --Mkativerata (talk) 05:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I did that before I needed your extra message. I wonder who is the quicker to criticise .--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:58, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Reinstatement

Meets WP:ANYBIO and BLPPROD.

could you wait a while before deletion of the article Kaichen qiu, so that i can find better references. I'm using these references right now, so my article doesn't get deleted under the no references template. I only need ~3-4 days, (he is from stockholm) if i can't find anything by then, then i'll delete the article myself with (db-g7). Please respond. Sorry.

By the way, is it possible to use <HIDE> tags or drop-boxes to hide images/text, which can then be opened by clicking a <SHOW> tab. I've been testing this on sandbox for a while and i've seen it in a few wiki articles a while back.

Yours, Edgar131 (talk) 08:26, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

• Kudpung, he's created this blatant hoax again and has already attempted once to remove the speedy template. See Kaichen Qiu. The references are completely bogus. Salt all the various permutations of the title? Voceditenore (talk) 09:31, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

• Speedy removed a second time by an account created five minutes ago. See Special:Contributions/Seed1734 Voceditenore (talk) 09:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

 Done --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:42, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

There's a related SPI at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Trowla. →Στc. 00:44, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up Σ. I've just had my breakfast and I haven't checked my watchlist yet. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

User:Scmsa

Me again. Can you look at User talk:Scmsa and the edit history of Suez Canal Medical Students' Association (SCMSA). They are repeatedly removing the maintenace tags, clearly have a conflict of interest and user name to match, and just don't get it. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:31, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind, another admin blocked them. I'm going to wait a few days and then AfD it if there's no coverage provided. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:41, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, beat me to it by a few seconds. I've CSD'd it A7. If another admin deletes it, that's good enough. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:43, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

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IEP help

Hi -- I can tell from your posts at the IEP page that you're a very experienced new page patroller, so I thought you would be a good person to ask this question. I am a long-time editor here, but have never done new page patrolling or checking for copyright problems in any systematic way. It sounds as though there is a substantial amount of work still to be done to clean up after the IEP, and from what I can gather from the discussions involving you, Voceditenore, Blade of the Northern Lights, CalliopeJen1, MER-C, Danger, and others, there is going to be a separate effort to go through every contribution, and you want this done by editors familiar with the appropriate tools. I have to say I wasn't quite clear on what the plan is or what the tools are going to be, since I've not done NPP.

I'd really like to help out with this effort. Can you point me to a page where I can learn about the NPP tools, so that I can contribute? Thanks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mike. Thank you enormously for offering to patrol pages. The main page, which is a quasi tutorial, is at WP:New Pages Patrol and lists tools and scripts that can be used. The main tools are WP:Twinkle that gives quick access to deletion and warning templates (in the case of CSD and PROD/BLPPROD it also automatically places the notice on the user's talk page),and the duplication detector (explained on the NPP page). The hub of the action is at Special:Newpages. You may also need to brush up on WP:DELETION, WP:CSD, and WP:PROD & WP:BLPPROD. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to ask. Happy patrolling! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:51, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks -- that's just what I was looking for. I'll dig in over the next few days, and will come back if I have questions. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:16, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm just starting to take a look now. This is remarkably different to the work I'm used to doing here; my reflex when I see a page like Aragon middle school (CFISD) is to either improve it or ignore it, but here my job is to evaluate it. I took a look at WP:SCHOOLS to see what guidance there was on notability and it indicates that secondary schools are generally notable, so I've marked it as patrolled.

I'm not a big fan of tagging articles -- I understand the reasons to do it but I think it's discouraging to editors; it's better to interact with them personally than to tag their articles. Do you feel that I really need to tag articles such as this is having no sources, or is it OK just to mark it as patrolled and move on?

Also, when I've patrolled a few articles, could I ask you to look through the log of the ones I've patrolled and let me know if I've made any mistakes? Thanks -- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:51, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mike. No one, especially the creators are a fan of tagging, but unfortunately , it's something that has do be done. Tagging pages is, and can be, a controversial and contentious experience. Many people believe in good faith that patrollers should stop and rewrite, copyedit, add references and make a near perfect stub before tagging. In reality, if our patrollers did all that, especially on the pages at the front of the list, we would end up with a huge backlog. We have 1,000 - 1,500 new pages arriving every 24 hours; bearing in mind that for several hours yesterday there was only one (1) patroller working, and that at the best of times there are only around eight (8), you'll understand the need for prioritising some of the actions that patrollers are expected to take. WP:BEFORE tagging is the best guideline to follow, but it isn't policy. Article pages, if tagged, must be tagged with templates, IMHO best done with WP:Twinkle. If articles are not referenced they must be tagged - referencing to reliable sources is the single most important core policy of Wikipedia "verifiability, not truth..."

You may wish to familiarise yourself with the text of templates, Cleanup templates and User talk templates provide you with an overview, but most of these are rarely used; maintenance templates can be applied by anyone at any time, even a registered reader..A page I don't generally provide a link to, but that would be helpful to an experienced editor yourself is my personal collection of notes, links, and and tools that I have made and accumulated over the years in the collapesebox section Pandora's box. The pretty tables of links have been 'borrowed' from other users, I suggest you choose one that is most apt and 'borrow' it yourself. The main priority for using article tags on new pages are, in order: CSD, PROD, COPYVIO, NOT ENGLISH, the various kinds of 'no references', the various kinds of 'clean up' (mostly only a general one is used). Twinkle groups the maintenance tags into areas, the main ones for NPP thus being: verifiability and sources' 'neutrality, bias, and factual accuracy', and 'Referencing technique', and 'general clean up'.

The deletion tags all leave an automatic message on the editors talk page. Necessary user warnings can be applied with Twinkle, and the Twinkle interface permits a preview of the template message and the possibility of inclusion an additional text. This is useful if you wish to add a personal not,. Some of these templates are still to bitey and we're currently making great strides to rewrite the wost of them; I often go back and reedit them when I have posted and saved them.

Many patrollers tag too fast, a tool we have for monitoring their work may be of fleeting interest to you. I don't think it's possible to do all the recommended tasks on a new article in less than about three minutes, and that's my average, but if you start unrzvelling a complex copyvio, it can take as much as an hour (some articles are pieced together with sentences from multiple sources). If the duolication detector reports more than around 75% of article text coming from one source, I generally tag it CSD for copyvio, and leave it at that, but it depends on what you believe the creator's motive was in pasting that article - I have little sympathy for spammers and autobiographers (such as book authors who have pasted their reviews, or jacket note. Some copyvios are opinion pieces or political propoganda that should be deleted anyway.

I realise all this sound very complicated, but in fact NPP draws youngsters and raw newbies like a magnet because they don't even need a user right to do it. Some of them do an excellent job, others make headaches for us. I keep a careful eye on all patrolling, and I'll point out anything you get wrong. Don't hesitate to ask me anything else. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:37, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Here's an example of what not to do. OlYeller21^Talktome 03:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

And by an admin, egad! If the thing is a hoax, it's a hoax - ONE template would do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:17, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I can see that many of the tags are necessary and valuable -- obviously an article with a problem that may require it to be deleted, or part of it to be removed, has to be tagged. I think the ones that worry me most are the ones that indicate an article could be improved or cleaned up. Marking an article as a stub seems to me to be the best way to do this -- the tags have a negative impact on new editors and I think should only be added for a real need; if the need is that the various cleanup projects have to be able to navigate to these articles to improve them, surely marking them as stubs is good enough? I would mind less if the improvement tags were invisible except as categories. I can see that tags referring to copyvios should be highly visible, and of course anything relating to a deletion process must be too. I also don't mind tagging a page if the problem prevents the page being useful at all -- e.g. {{Not English}} seems a reasonable tag.

However, I fully understand that I can't just do NPP my way; I need to do it the way the community thinks it should be done. So would it be OK if I don't use the tags that refer to unreferenced articles or poorly referenced articles, so long as I believe the articles are on notable topics and contain material that could be sourced, even if the current sourcing is poor or missing? And is it OK if I don't use the cleanup tags that indicate things such as wikification, deadend, walled garden, and so on; nor the general cleanup tag? Or would this be harmful, in your opinion? In each case I would do my best to add categories and an appropriate stub class, which I hope will serve a similar purpose. What do you think?

I'm assuming, by the way, that there are no versions of these tags that are invisible except as categories. If there are, then of course I'd opt to use those. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:55, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

(Incidentally, I don't mind talkback templates, but I'm pretty diligent about keeping talk pages on my watchlist, so they're optional in my case.) Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I share your opinion about the cleanup tags that indicate things such as wikification, deadend, walled garden, and so on and I have never understood the policy and/or need concerning the 'orphan' tag - plenty of my own creations are probably orphans.I see a lot of totally unnecessary use of the 'Wikify' tag, especially on extremely short stubs that have nothing to wikify (I think this is done by patrollers in a misplaced attempt to boost their edits count). I do however exercise a strict personal interpretation of our core policy for sourcing, and feel it is essential to use 'noref', 'refimprove', 'onesource' and 'Primary' tags. (+) It's also important to remove any inappropriate EL When patrolling, I always check any citations for reliability and pertinence and tag as accurately as possible, without using different tags with overlapping semantics. Stub templates do not necessarily resolve any problems, AFAIK not many people work through any backlogs on the stub categories. All tags have a dual purpose: to notify the author, and to invite any other editors and readers to carry out any improvements. Readers, especially, will not be familiar with, or aware of meta departments such as invisible categories or what stubs actually are, or any other categories for that matter. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:47, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

+: Not all of them at once of course - the most appropriate one or two are amply sufficient to draw attention to the need of (more) refs. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, there's more we agree on there -- I agree that inappropriate ELs should be removed, and I agree on checking citations for reliability. I'll think some more about the remaining tags -- primary, no refs, improve refs, and single source -- and see if I can come back here with a coherent comment. It's not that I disagree about what the tags assert; I'm just not sure the benefit to editors who work on those backlogs is enough to outweigh the negative impact on readers and, particularly, new editors.

By the way, I liked your piece in the Signpost; very considered, given the stress that you and the other patrollers were placed under by the IEP. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:08, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - I could have said a lot more but I did enough ranting on the talk pages. The basic problem is that while the WMF does what they do in the best of good faith, and its members are experts in their own fields, there is no clear allocation of responsibilities or delegation of tasks and hence what they all do ether overlaps too much, or conversely lacks communication and coordination. It's also a team of relatively young people, and they appear to have little experience of pure management of large quasi-corporate organisations. Wales should be in the office, but by choice, (a bit like when Jobs left Apple for several years and during his absence it nearly went on the rocks) his professional interests lie elsewhere and he has no executive powers. They're learning, but it seems to be a slow empirical curve. Back to NPP: We don't need to agree on everything, most of the mature editors interpret the policies and guidelines their way in good faith to the benefit of the project; as one of the major players in the development of the BLPPROD, a monumental RfC and series of RfCs,that also discussed many aspects of these tagging policies, I tend to go with the consensus whether it is a consensus of decision or a tacit one of practice and precedent. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Wish it were real

Have a drink with an umbrella in it and be happy to not be in Chicago, where larger umbrellas are needed. Danger High voltage! 05:06, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually I was drinking G&T from the duty free on the Lao border (just up the road from here), spiced with fresh mint and root ginger from my garden ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:11, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Special:UserRights/Philip_Baird_Shearer

Hello, Kudpung. I was wondering why you added all of the user-rights to another admin's account. Aren't all these included in the admin "package"? Cheers, —GFOLEY FOUR!— 04:54, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

For some reason, possibly a software glitch that I don't knoiw how to fix, they weren't automaticallyincluded in the bundle when he was given admin rights. For more information, see his user rights log, and the archived thread on this talk page. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:58, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Looking at the discussion, I don't really understand what the problem is. Even though your autopatrolled, doesn't the page appear in new pages anyways? —GFOLEY FOUR!— 05:07, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but an autopatrolled user's new page does not have yellow highlight. →Στc. 05:16, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

No, it doesn't , and that's the whole idea of the autopatrolled right, it should not appear on special:new pages at all - it's to help relieve the work of the patrollers, because the creators are trusted users. Unlike other 'rights', autopatrolled is not a trophy to be 'awarded', it's purely a meta function, issued on discretion of the admins to iusers who have created a minumum of 50 clean articles. We can do this anytime, and the user doesn't even strictly need to know that he's been given it. We can also remove the right just as easily if the user is abusing it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:18, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

BTW,I know of other admins who don't have autopatrolled rights (one mass produces unreferenced stubs - so it's probably a good thing), but those admins were promoted a very long time ago (pre 2006), possibly before the site software was upgraded for admin to include all those rights.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:24, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Mmm, ok. —GFOLEY FOUR!— 05:28, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Umm, I'm confused!

... by this! It seems to have been moved to where it already was, and my added bits have disappeared in the process! I wanted to add there that I have respectfully suggested that the editor who posted the comment (reference to which has disappeared) should strike out that comment. I feel that his suggestion of wrongdoing there is certeinaly uncivil, not assuming good faith on my (and others') part(s), and bordering on a personal attack on me and others. Pesky (talk …stalk!) 09:16, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm so sorry (I had two different RfA2011 pages open. I'll move it back. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:29, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! It doesn't take much to confuse me, these days! Pesky (talk …stalk!) 09:38, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Survey

So about your revert on my talk page. The survey was there, and I already filled it out. Could you explain why and how? ~~Ebe123~~ → report ← Contribs 12:02, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

It was a fake survey masquerading as a survey by the WP:WMF. The user has been blocked, and we are doing a clean up. Sorry that we were too late to prevent you from doing the survey. I hope that your IP number has not been compromised. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:06, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

That's a little bit of an overstatement Kudpung. It was a good faith error, by a user who did not realise the consequences. He's been unblocked, and all information (including IP addresses) on the site has been surpressed by a WMF employee. Worm^TT · (talk) 12:11, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Glad to hear that. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:13, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

CopyVio

Hello, I found this article to be a copyright violation. The entire text has been copy pasted from Database System Concepts by Henry Korth, S Sudarshan, Abraham Silbershatz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Query_optimization. --Mihir.khatwani (talk) 01:45, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out Mihir. This appears to be a very old Wikipedia article dating from 2005. I'm looking into it, and I might get back to you again later for your help on this; --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:43, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I've had a look at this. It's a very old article that was created in 2005. Can you let me know how you know it is a copyvio? Have you got a copy of the book - is it in your university library? What is the page number? What is the ISBN of the book? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

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RfA Reform

Please bring this[1] up for discussion at some point. I happen to believe it's a great idea and one that needs to be explored. I happen to feel that there are certain individuals who shouldn't be allowed within a mile of RfA. Also, I've compiled number from a sample week at AIV. Will break the numbers down tomorrow, my vision is doubling when I try to look at them tonight. Trusilver 06:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

There are indeed certain individuals who shouldn't be allowed within a mile of RfA. We've discussed these problems at length at WP:RFA2011, but we're not really closer to a solution other than what I suggested at AN/I. Feel free to post your thoughts at WT:RFA2011.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:26, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Status

Hey there--how have you made the flashing Status icon at the top of your page? I like it! N·worsn (parlez-moi) 14:28, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:06, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Issue

Hey. I mentioned this incident here before and was attempting to engage the admin regarding his edit but I feel that I'm being ignored. If it were a non-admin, I'd just make a change and move along. As it's an admin, I'm not sure it's something I should just let go. Any suggestions? OlYeller21^Talktome 17:54, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, yes. I did look at it before and I do feel that it is unnecessary overtagging. However, the user has been an admin since 2008, when RfA was different. They appear to have possibly little experience in maintenance areas or to not be up to date with various new policies and guidelines. It seems to be an isolated incident (unless you have seen a pattern), so I would be inclined to AGF and let it go. Let me know if you think otherwise. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

My first reaction was to check and see how often they had done that sort of thing. I didn't find a single similar case but also didn't find where they had tagged any article in that day. It's such a small thing and even stacking it with ignoring an inquiry isn't that big of a deal but I don't feel that admins should be doing either let alone both. I'll look and see if it's actually something I think is substantially affecting WP and report back if I do. I doubt that will be the case, though. OlYeller21^Talktome 18:40, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Check the user's contribs, and patrol logs. There is a very remote possibility that if this is not their regular editing habit, the account may have been compromised and they are not aware of it. Such things can happen occasionally, for example, when a parent or a sibling leaves their home computer logged into Wikipedia, and other family members get hold of it - it can happen in the office too. (keeping Wikipedia in order involves a lot of detective work!). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:55, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I love detectiving! OlYeller21^Talktome 19:05, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Interestingly, they patrol lots of pages but almost never make an edit to the pages they patrol. I've found a few other pages where they may excessively tag articles (not with 12 like the last example) but I'm still not sure that it warrants action. I checked back to October 10th and found these two: [2][3]. They mark some pages as patrolled that I would scrutinize but I think that's part of a larger problem related to NPP than a single editor. I think it's important to note that they haven't over-tagged any articles since I left the message but they tag so infrequently that it might not mean not be because of me. I'm basically feel the same as before. I see issues but probably not enough to rock the boat over. OlYeller21^Talktome 19:31, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Do you use this tool for keeping an eye on what's going on at NPP? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:35, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

When checking, I went through the logs linked from that page. I sometimes watch it and take note if someone patrols 12 pages in 2 minutes while I'm patrolling. I usually start paying attention while I'm patrolling to see if someone patrols a substantial number of pages at less than 2 minutes per page. I know it doesn't always indicate a problem as I myself patrolled ~10 redirects in a matter of seconds but I think it's still worth watching. In short, yes I watch it. I haven't used the other linked tools besides the AfD Stats tool there, though. OlYeller21^Talktome 19:43, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

FYI. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:47, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Saw that. Unless there's some kind of backlash, I doubt further action would be needed. OlYeller21^Talktome 20:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi both. I had a look at that article and frankly I think it has a high probability of being made up. If indeed this is a word for "a concept underlying the social fabric of traditional communities in north-eastern Vanuatu". Then it ought to have more coverage. There's virtually nothing and the one mention I found claims it means something completely different. The reference is potentially bogus—an "in press" book. I googled the author [4] and his amateur web site. I'm going to do a bit more sleuthing, but am probably going to take it to AfD. Voceditenore (talk) 05:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Back from Wikibreak

Hey Kudpung,

My exams got over and hence I am back from WP:Wikibreak. Will need sometime to get updated as to what exactly happened. Saw there was a CCI also. In the mean time, if you need any help searching for copyvios or anything related to IEP, please inform me, and I will see what I can do asap.

Regards, --Debastein1 (talk) 06:24, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Helping out with problems with student editors in India

Hello Kudpung,

I've read about the India situation with great sadness, and your comments in The Signpost seemed very perceptive to me. Annie Lin from the Wikimedia Foundation has asked me to help out, and I admit that I've been intimidated by the scale of the problem, so have procrastinated. I have no previous experience with systematically looking for copyright violations. I am wondering if you could give me a few tips about how I could be helpful in cleaning up the messes. Thank you for whatever guidance you can offer. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:55, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've left you some tips at your talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 21:47, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Voceditenore. I've been plowing through Indian student articles for a few hours now, and have a headache. Fortunately, many of the articles on obscure (and non-notable) computer programming topics have been redirected to more comprehensive and stable articles monitored by qualified editors. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:11, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

RfA reform

I'll catch up on the threads and offer more input. The past week hasn't been great for time. Maxim_(talk) 01:17, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

USEP discussion

I know you only became involved with the IEP via NPP, but since the US programme also may impact both NPP and the rest of the community, I thought you might be interested in this discussion. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:24, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Kudpung. You have new messages at Mike Christie's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I assume you would prefer a talkback, since you use them yourself -- let me know if that's not the case. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:43, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Strange Rollback

Hi Kudpung,I have a problem.Could you please help me to solve this?

• I can see rollback links beside a user's contributions sometimes(Not always),even though I am not a rollbacker?
• I use Twinkle;but the fact is that;Twinkle doesn't show rollback beside a user's contribs.
• Why does this happen?Even though I had applied in WP:RFP/R before,but they were declined.

I'm very confused in this.Please reply soon.Best,That's me! ^{Have doubt?} Track me! 15:26, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Dipankan. I'm afraid I can't answer that - it's a question for someone with technical knowledge. All I can say is that it's most likely a bug in whatever operates the inline rollback links. Twinkle strictly concerns the dropdown menus which function on javascript for tagging and warning . Although you don't have the rights, try using the rollback in a VERY appropriate situation , and see what happens. Otherwise, post your query at the Village pump tech. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:48, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

There's a Twinkle option to add Rollback links to user contribution pages - see Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences - I'd guess that's switched on -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

How come that's possible for someone without rollback rights? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:07, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle doesn't use the real Rollback - it uses its own machinations, which just happen to be given the same name -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:19, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

This was not what I wanted.And I have said before sometimes;and not always.By the way may I contact Swarm for the issue?Swarm has good knowledge about rollback.Please suggest.Best,That's me! ^{Have doubt?} Track me! 13:02, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

"21:12, 21 December 2012 (diff | hist) Foobar (talk | contribs) Main Page (61,822,281 bytes) (I edited the main page!) (top) [­rollback­]", or something completely different? →Στc. 22:10, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry,but the links do not appear like that;it shows as [Rollback] [Rollback(VANDAL)]That's me! ^{Have doubt?} Track me! 05:14, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: "And I have said before sometimes;and not always", if it's the Twinkle one that I'm thinking of, it depends on whether each edit is the latest one on the article - if it is still the latest you get the Rollback link, and if it isn't you don't -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:26, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I think it's a bug in the software;although I'm not sure.Especially,when I visit a admin's contribs or a rollbacker's contributions,I can see the links.I don't see any rollback links in a confirmed user.Will I ask about this to Jimbo Wales?That's me! ^{Have doubt?} Track me! 05:14, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think Jimbo will be very interested. Firstly he has no real powers and his role is mainly representative (like a non-executive president or the the Queen. , Secondly, MediaWiki has a team of professional programmers and debuggers, thirdly, the first places to ask are at WT:Twinkle and the WP:TECHPUMP, and if those fail and it seems to clearly be a bug in the site software, as a last resort a report should be filed at WP:BUGS. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:27, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

That example looks similar to the way I see the Twinkle links on diff pages (although the word "rollback" is all lower case for me). On contrib pages it look like "[rollback] [vandalism]", while the normal rollback links look like "[­rollback­]". So if I have both rollback and Twinkle, I see "[­rollback­][rollback] [vandalism]" (but only for entries tagged as (top)). Are you using any other automated/vandalism/etc tools? Also, can you give us links to one contrib page where you see the rollback links and one where you don't? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 05:41, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I see the same thing as Boing! said Zebedee, on any user's contribs page.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:45, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Jasper, you've got rollback rights. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:57, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Nonetheless, what Dipankan is seeing is the set of rollback links built in Twinkle. If you disable them in TWPREFS, they will appear if "Could not load twinkleoptions.js" appears at the top of the page. →Στc. 06:03, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Re:Nonetheless, what Dipankan is seeing is the set of rollback links... If it is mentioned as could not load Twinkle options.js,then the whole Twinkle software does not work,it is disabled for some time.That means,Not only reverting,but features like ARV,Welcome user,Speedy deletion,PROD,RPP etc are all disabled.I don't know why this happens.That's me! ^{Have doubt?} Track me! 14:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

See: WP:RBK. If I remember rightly it only takes about 5 minutes to read. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that will help, because it's almost certainly not the MediaWiki Rollback feature that we're seeing here -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:29, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I had the Twinkle "Rollback" links before I had MediaWiki Rollback -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok,the problem is solved.Now,I've got rollback rights.and I've disabled the rollback feature in Twinkle.You may check at my user rights page.

Renaming user

Hey, Kudpung, Can you provide me some support or info regarding renaming my username. I have a username as a doppleganger account i.e. user:debastein and I want everything in this account to be moved to that, i.e. I want to change user:debastein1 to user:debastein, cause when I own both the accounts, the 1 just looks silly. Can you help me out with some info at least?? --Debastein1 (talk) 16:07, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

See: Wikipedia:Changing username/Assistance. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:36, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

RfA reply

Kudpung: Hi Saeed.

Saeed: Hi Kudpung.

Kudpung: Are you still around?

Saeed: I found a job and stopped Wikipedia 2 month ago.

Kudpung: I have a small favour to ask you based on the graph you made that was featured in the Signpost last year. —Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:50, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Saeed: I'd like to hear that, and love to help you. I prefer recieving e-mail on Saeed.veradi at gmail dot com. I check mail every day, and Wikipedia every month. — Saeed (Talk) 18:07, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

name changes

Thanks for your message at User talk:JamesBWatson#name changes. Answered there. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:27, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Lingua ac Communitas

Hi Kudpung: I presume you will also be proposing the deletion of many other journals, such as Linguistics (journal)? (talk) 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm generally only interested in articles I come across when patrolling new pages and implementing deletion policy. However, as you have mentioned it, Linguistics (journal) appears to have escaped our patrollers' attention (we are currently under staffed). You may also find some interesting background to our deletion policy at WP:OTHERSTUFF. If you are able to provide the required reliable sources that would assert notability per WP:JOURNAL, the deletion debate would be almost sure to have a favourable closure. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:13, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your speedy reply. I will critically look at the journal I mentioned ( Linguistics (journal)) and other journals in the field and see whether they fail to meet the standard. (talk) 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. When Wikipedia was founded, rules for inclusion were made and criteria wee set for different kinds of articles. Articles about journals are relatively easy to assess, but the downside is that although they may be notable in the true sense, if the required kind of sources cannot be found to prove it then the article cannot be kept. Don't hesitate to ask me if you would like further help, or pointing to any other of our 1,000s of pages of policy. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:40, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Universityuser has copied the AfD note to a whole load of other articles (without creating an AfD page, listing it, etc). In addition, several unreferenced/notability tags were put on a whole load of articles (most of them unwarranted). It's a pain going through all of this by hand, can a sysop like you do a general rollback of a users last couple a dozen edits (this behavior clearly is pointy and disruptive)? --Crusio (talk) 14:17, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Love too, but it's late here and I'm just off to bed. But it doesn't need admin rights. If you use twinkle you will have a roll back button in the page histpries or you can use the 'undo'. Do pur a polte notice on the user's tp about what you are doing - if he's amenable, he may be prepared to do it himself. II've seen what he did and I'm sure he was acting in GF. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:23, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I am trying to apply the directives consistently. Presuming that Kudpung's remarks are correct, the same applies to the other journals I selected. (talk), 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you are, but you should try to look for references first. Tthe actual process of placing those templates is complex if you try to do it manually, because there are several extra steps involved if you don't have WP:Twinkle automation installed. Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to nominate a single page for deletion for, the various registration steps and templates involved that must be placed on various pages. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:05, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I see on the discussion page that you agree with deleting the AfD if the references (such as Husserl Studies, Problems of Sustainable Development and Problemy Ekorozwoju, mentioned by Cnilep) can be added. Could you tell me how I could add these (or add them yourself, if that is easy for you to do)? (talk), 13 November 2011 (UTC)

The page at WP:CITE will tell you all you need to know about adding references. However, you may wish to discuss it with Crilep. Note that we do not delete AfD discussions - they run for 7 days and are then assessed and archived by a non involved administrator. If you add references to the article, please mention it on the discussion page, and it will be taken into consideration. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:39, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Most of the references mentioned by Cnilep have been integrated. (talk) 13 November 2011 (UTC)

By the way, what justifies the presence of (e.g.) Neuroscience Letters (why is it a renowned journal)? In the case of this journal I find no more information than in cases that are excluded for being insignificant. (talk) 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Check out the WikiProject Academic Journals, you should find all you need in there. It's run by Crusio. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:35, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Request

Hello. If you could please provide me with a copy of Taelah Bowater I would appreciate it. I am trying to guide this user in the right direction and I could help them, fact is I just need to see their work. Thanks, Belugaboy^{cup of tea?} 20:41, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't do that - it would violate our policy of non disclosure of deleted material to non authorised users. If the creator wishes to request a copy, and if on examination the request seems reasonable, the article can userfied or emailed to them. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:37, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh. Okay. I was just looking to guide this user to other places of the Internet where they would feel welcome. Not help them here. By the sounds of things I really don't think they want to contribute. I understand. X this. Belugaboy^{cup of tea?} 13:06, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

If you take a very careful look at the comment I left on the user's talk page, you will see that they are perfectly welcome here - within the rules. BTW there is no need to strike previous messages - they are still relevant because they have been answered. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for letting me know. I think we can bag this conversation. Warm regards, Belugaboy^{cup of tea?} 21:36, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Spidey665

Hello

Just to let you know, you may wish to take a look at Spidey 665's talk page under the name hide section, he's feeling that you were rude to him before. I've responded the best I can.--5 albert square (talk) 01:11, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi 5AS. Spidey is just being exasperating. I'm generally as patient with the most intractable of kids as the kindest of users and sysops (as my history will demonstrate). If he wasn't a kid I would have blocked his talk page long ago. I'm firmly of the opinion that this is a severe case of lack of maturity, and while mentoring may teach him the ins and outs of editing, it won't teach him to grow up - and it's not our job to be educators even if, like me, in real life we are. I've said nothing more and nothing less too him than his class teacher would have said. I would firmly oppose any further unblock requests, but in deference to Spidey, I wouldn't want to be seen as being 'involved'. I just happen to have his tp and edits on my 10,000+ watchlist. Spidey is only here for social networking at a MySpace level. Thanks enormously for your support and chiming in, however IMHO, I think we're all wasting our time. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:58, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

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Hello Kudpung, can you please delete the following page Yeh Tera Ghar Yeh Mera Gharr. This is a made up title of a series which never aired on STAR One or any other Indian channel. I have been watching this channel since its launch and I have also searched on the Net, there is no news article to be found on this title. However, there was a 2001 Bollywood movie named Yeh Teraa Ghar Yeh Meraa Ghar. I will greatly appreciate your help. Thank you! Survir (talk) 02:51, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Extremely busy right now, give me an hour or so and I'll do whatever has to be done. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Survir. I've done it already. It was nothing complicated. It's actually something you can easily do yourself after looking for possible sources. See what I have done, follow the links in the PROD notice, then read WP:PROD, and possibly also WP:DELETION and WP:NOTABILITY if you haven't done so already. The next time, you'll be able to do this yourself, but don't hesitate to ask me if you need help or advice. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:23, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Kudpung, first of all, thank you very much for your help. Now user ClubOranje left a message with a hyperlink associated to this particular television series on my talk page that this series does air and it is listed under Schedule on STAR One channel's official site. After doing a through search and reading through articles, I have found that there is a television series with this title. It is recently launched (even though STAR One did not broadcast any trailers of the series). The series was earlier titled Waaris and was to air on STAR Plus (sister channel of STAR One), but for some reason it was delayed. Therefore, I apologise, but do thank you for your help. I will remove the deletion tag and will try to improve the article in some time by adding proper references. Thanks again!Survir (talk) 01:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Albert Shagidullin (baritone)

Hi Kudpung, iIf it hasn't already been deleted can you please delete this and salt the title. This is the the third time they've created it, all copyvio. There was a fourth, identical, but I moved it and cleaned out the copyvio (subject is notable). This is causing a real mess with redirects too. See Talk:Albert Schagidullin and User talk:Bebossonline. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:56, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

 Done --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:07, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

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Random selection? I had no idea Wikipedia had it's own version of jury duty. Nev1 (talk) 23:41, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

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Deletion

Why did you delete my Charity Naked Calendars page? It's totally legit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NakedCalendars (talk • contribs) 05:03, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Please see the many deletion notices on your talk page. See also WP:TPG. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:09, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Why are you deleting my calendars page now? I don't understand. It has sources and it legit.

No it doesn't.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:18, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Look, this is a very huge area of knowledge not yet covered by wiki. Look it up on google. Charity Naked Calendars are a huge phenomenon. My page was hardly vandalism and I had sources. What do I need to do to make it work?

can I put it up again, because there were sources..you may have missed them. Also see "Nude Calendar" page that doesn't even have sources. Why not delete that then?

(edit conflict)I repeat, cite your sources, don't just say you have them. See WP:CITE for help. Wikipedia does not take pages related to nudity softly, so you will have to really spend time on this. I suggest you use the article wizard as I suggested on your talk page. Don't recreate it until then. Nude Calender does have sources.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

At the top of the nude calendars page it says the article sites no sources, could you kindly direct me to the sources on that page.

oh, sorry, i see one source now..is that all it takes, one?

At least to avoid speedy deletion (WP:CSD).Jasper Deng (talk) 05:26, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

i see why the economist said that it's hard to make articles for wiki and why editors are decreasing. this process is very difficult, i'll probably just give up — Preceding unsigned comment added by NakedCalendars (talk • contribs) 05:26, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Don't give up. There's a saying for piano players, "One does not learn difficult fingerings until he/she recognizes them to be easy".Jasper Deng (talk) 05:28, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

For starters, please read WP:TPG, then the details in the deletion notices on your talk page, and follow the links in them. You will not be able to create it as a live page until its notability is correctly asserted and sourced. Consider starting the article in your User space where it will be reviewed first. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:30, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It is a valid, if somewhat, ahem, saucy topic. I'm busy at the moment but would be up for a userspace draft later on. There are refs a-plenty. I just hope my mum isn't reading this... I wouldn't want her getting any fundraising ideas for for her bowls club --Shirt58 (talk) 05:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Validity ≠ notability. A list of nude calendars is not a list of references. Write an articles about nude calendar by all means (in your user space) if it can pass the Notability, and Reliable Sources tests.Wikipedia is not censored. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:05, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

RE:

Thank you for contacting me in regards to the Jumer's Casino page.. This was my first page so I might have made it seem as if I was promoting the location, but I have change the wording to a more informal way of communicating to the viewer..

Thanks Again, Eric — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericnotderek (talk • contribs) 06:37, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid it still looks very much like a promotional piece - especially with the large, brochure-style photo. Some of the text is still decidedly inappropriate. That said, the article is still unreferenced and makes no claims why this particular casino is any different from any others in a way that asserts its importance for an encyclopedia. Please see: Notability and Reliable Sources. If you can address these points, it may be able to be kept, but for the moment I see no alternative but to send it for deletion discussion where the community will decide. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:47, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

RE:

Why will the pictures be deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericnotderek (talk • contribs) 06:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Probably, but by another admin. I'm not a picture specialist. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:57, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay check out the page now.. Hey while your here how do you get that Status Update thing on your profile?? Its cool! :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericnotderek (talk • contribs) 07:06, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

There are also copyright violations from http://qctimes.com/article_5f02953e-bc8c-11df-a9c7-001cc4c002e0.html - they could be grounds for speedy deletion. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:09, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Shinya Tokuni

I remove proposed deletion. Because this article meets the notability guideline Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Association football. Shinya Tokuni have appeared Emperor's Cup in 2000. Thanks. Nameless User (talk) 09:01, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. No problem. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:03, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Smart space

Hi Kudpung, about your decline of my CSD A1 request at Smart space - on reflection I think you're probably right that it is too long to qualify for A1, but I still can't actually see what the article is about. I've left a message at Talk:Smart space if you want to comment. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 13:10, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Technology Crossover Ventures

Hi,

I was adding information on a fund called Technology Crossover Ventures, and I wanted to follow up on its speedy deletion. The reasoning was that it was copyright infringement from a site called wallstreetoasis.com. If you look at that site, it's a forum where people copy/paste information. I was taking information from the company's website as a source to populate the wiki page. Accordingly, I feel this is an error, and should be reversed. Your thoughts on this matter would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asparagus10 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Actually there are several policy issues involved here - not just the copyright violtion of having taken text verbatim from another source. As you rightly point out, that source is a blog, and is not even reliable per WP:RS. Also, we cannot use material from a company's own website - that would be WP:Primary. If reliable sources are available, they must also assert notability that conforms with our criteria at WP:ORG for corporations. Your article unfortunately did not meet any of those points. You are welcome to start a new one, but you may wish to consider making it in your user space, where it might avoid being speedily deleted, but do remember that even there, it must not contain any material that duplicates an external source. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:44, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Joan Givner

The claims made were not credible claims, as is plainly stated in the CSD cirteria. There was no sourcing at all, and even then a list of academic article is insufficient for notability. A speedy was clearly warranted here. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 20:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Just so that you know - I did it myself. Lazy page creators, and lazy page patrollers ;)

Addendum. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:08, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks! Masalai (talk) 04:14, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I think we've just hit paydirt

Speaks for itself. MER-C 08:18, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we have for a minute. The next phase of the IEP might be put of until June/July, but this is nothing to do with the impact the Pune experiment has on the community's clean-up resources. There appears to be somewhat more communication coming from various quarters of the WMF - especially the organisers of the education programmes, but the messages are mainly TLDR posts about how well they believe they are coping, and worded to be more like academic papers than an effort to engage the community in dialogue. The overall tone is that the IEP was a success because it pointed out items for refinement rather than damage control, and no one is pushing for the reforms of NPP that I have been proving are badly needed for over a year - long before the IEP went live. Three weeks ago we were told a solution for CorenBot would be coming 'within a week', and there has been no further discussion or development on the new-user tool projects and NPP tools now for nearly two months, and as a result, I'm reducing my activity in those areas. I still watch all the talk pages, blogs, and mailing lists very closely, but I'm now focusing my Wiki work on other areas of the encyclopedia. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:54, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I know: that's what I referred to as the "WMF circlejerk" in the post which Cindy replied to. And they still haven't supplied a list of all the students, just like they promised here, a month ago.

In other news, I just handed out a bunch of spam4im's to another group of Indian (sock|meat)puppet SEO accounts. Some things just never change. MER-C 09:24, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Over-use of "welcomes"

Hi, Kudpung, and thank you for the message. Rest assured that I will be following your appreciated constructive criticism of my editing. There is, however, a counter-argument that could possibly be made: a editor (be it a newbie, sock, or VOA) should have the rules pointed out to them - by a welcome template, for example - so that any further action is with reference to those rules. I was following a number of User:Bwilkins' recent WP:AN/I comments to this effect. All that said, thanks and happy editing, to you too! --Shirt58 (talk) 10:48, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Undo your speedy of power to hire and fire now

your failure to consider argument put at the talk page is disturbing undo your speedy now Fifelfoo_m (talk) 10:55, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

you have been mentioned at WP:ANIFifelfoo_m (talk) 11:31, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

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NPP question

Was my tagging of HaloCharts with A7 appropriate? The wording in the template says "...that does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject." and the article basically says "HaloCharts was amazing at one point." Is that appropriate for an A7? Thanks! HurricaneFan25 19:22, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

It should have been tagged per WP:CSD#G11 as blatant spam. You'll find that admins generally react quicker to spam than to most other criteria. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:32, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

No comment on HaloCharts because I can't see it, but for future comparisons, I'd comment that you are correct, "was amazing at one point" is definitely not a credible claim of significance sufficient to avoid A7.

In fact, almost any qualitative claims like this are not credible claims of significance. I'd perhaps make an exception for something like "was the best British golfer of the 1960s" since although that's still qualitative, it's much more likely to be verifiable in some sense. Beyond that you get into "was the best online zombie-themed game of the 1990s" or whatever, and credibility gets strained.

Specifically factual or quantitative claims are much better; "is the largest distillery in the USA" or "has won the (something or other) award twice". I once had an A7 speedy nomination declined because it was an article about a small family business that claimed (without a reference) that the business had been in operation for 90 years - for the admin making the decision, that was a credible claim of significance, even though it could mean no more than that one guy founded the business and then his son took it over and carried on running it. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

HaloCharts was blatant spam for other reasons and has been deleted three times. However, I think it's fair to say that most admins are pretty well versed on deletion policy even if there are still no perfect bright lines, and many don't bother to change the rationlae when pressing the delete button. Good faith errors can occur of course, but if a page is clearly going to be deleted under some criterion or another anyway, it's nothing to make a big fuss about. The accuracy there is only to satisfy the stats. Many page patrollers are uncertain of the policy with borderline cases, but most of them learn empirically over time. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:38, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Institut Saint-André

I see you have been interested in this article. I came to it because all the other edits of its original author Calum245 (talk · contribs) have been blatant hoaxes about non-existent noblemen. Then looking about its website I found this extremely odd page and began to wonder if the whole thing was another hoax - it's easy enough to set up a website these days. However, from Google it seems the school does exist - I suppose the website is either unfinished or has been hacked. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:40, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. The article created by Calum was not a hoax at all. It was originally tagged - too fast - as A7, and I believe it was a genuine article in course of development. The school clearly exists and their site, not unsusually , is made with WordPress software, and is probably simply being updated. You may wish to take the matter up with the deleting admin who might have made a genuine error, otherwise it looks as if we've lost another enthusiastic new user. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:31, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

The school article wasn't tagged, and wasn't deleted. His article Jonathan james anketell murray was tagged A7, which was perhaps not appropriate as it said he was an Earl, but that claim is false so I deleted it G3 hoax.

No, we haven't lost Calum, he's back this morning, but I'm not so sure we want him - this edit, repeating an earlier one I reverted and warned him about, is plain hoax - both our James Stanhope, 7th Earl Stanhope and The peerage.com say that the Earldom of Stanhope died with the 7th Earl, there never was an 8th Earl, and how would his son get to be Earl of Atholl (another extinct title) anyway? LinkedIn shows a real person by this name, based in Brussels - at a guess this may be his son trying to fabricate an aristocratic background for himself. We can't have this sort of nonsense after clear warning, but as the school article shows he can be serious, I have only blocked him for a week. JohnCD (talk) 09:57, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

why fastticket.in page is deleted?

give me perfect reason to delete fastticket.in page and give me tips to do better it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khokhani.kevin (talk • contribs) 06:24, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Your article read like an advertisement, which is not allowed. If you are affiliated with fastticket.in, please read our FAQs for businesses.Jasper Deng (talk) 06:32, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Help translating

Hello. I was wondering if you could help me translates some French text from Tahiti Au Temps Des Cartes Postales for the images 173, 175, 176, 189, 190. Thank you.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:29, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I would be happy to consider translating anything that is to be part of an existing Wikipedia article. The text to translated can be placed on the article talk page, with a message to me here. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:54, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Can you translate 189, 190 onto Talk:Teriimaevarua III? And 173 onto File:Famille royale de Raiatea en 1898.jpg?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Please place any text you would like translating on to the article talk page, and after you have checked that it is free of copyright restrictions. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:05, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Richard Blum financial disclosure

I think we're talking about two different questions. My question was whether or not a government form was considered original research, which, reading the definition on these pages, I believe it is not. You've raised a different question, whether it is helpful to the biography. It's a discussion I'm more than willing to have. The subject of this article is a University of California regent, and former chairman of the board of regents. He is husband of the senior United States senator from California. The University of California System is presently being rocked by demonstrations (students being pepper-sprayed, as you may have seen on CNN) over tuition increases. His financial disclosure form, which is an important transparency tool in American government, is germane, because it shows the holdings of a billionaire who is a member of a wealthy Board of Regents who the students believe, rightly or wrongly, are out of touch with the needs of common people. He filed the form; it's called a "disclosure form" for just that reason, so that the public knows his financial interests. In Thailand you might think twice about this kind of revelation but not in the US where this article is most likely to be read. I'll also add that at the bottom of the article there is already material by someone else that he has been accused of profiting from public positions in the past. For that reason, as well, his financial disclosure form is an integral part of an article on him, and since it was filled out by he himself, required by law if he wants to serve as a UC Regent, there can be no accusation of bias about its inclusion. It's not rude, unfair or discriminatory. It is information on the subject, which I thought Wikipedia was all about. But this is my first time trying to make an addition, so you tell me what you think.190.9.234.151 (talk) 14:05, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

I have read the article. Lest there be any misunderstanding, I am a retired British academic who has chosen to live his days out in Thailand. There are two aspects to the issue you raised, and I preempted on one of them, which you have kindly answered. I am still of the opinion that a link to where the document can be viewed online would be appropriate as an inline <ref></ref> (see WP:CITE) if you are quoting from, or mentioning the document in your text, or as a link in the 'External links' section if it is additional material of general interest to the biography. I wold recommend however, that you discuss it further on the article's talk page at Talk:Richard C. Blum with the other contributors. You can located them though with the other contributors this page and leave an invitation to a discussion on their talk pages. The consensus to include the document will be reached by all of you, and if there is no response from them in a couple of days, you are free to go ahead and edit the article as you feel appropriate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:51, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: GiveDirectly

Hello Kudpung. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of GiveDirectly, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources is in my opinion enough for WP:N. It is certainly enough for A7. Thank you. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Wait, wut? I believe a trout is in order. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:18, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's out of line and I would think an admin would have deleted it had they felt strongly about the A7. When he added the A7 tag, there were two external links to blog posts and two external links to the subject's own website. Neither are a claim of importance let alone usable to establish notability, in my opinion. Probably should have waited more than 11 minutes to tag it though. OlYeller21^Talktome 21:28, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Nah, the GiveWell blog was up when he tagged it. It is an editorial, where GiveDirectly is the primary subject. Since it has editorial control, and is not affiliated to GiveDirectly, that's significant coverage in an independent reliable source, and immediately disqualifies for A7. Any new page patroller should have recognised that. Kudpung is an experienced and good tagger, and it was probably an honest mistake, that happens (I'm pretty sure I made my share of them too) But if you believe trout is too much of an overreaction, you could maybe serve Wikipedia:A Side of Chips to take the edge off. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:40, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I included the GiveWell blog when I mentioned "links to blog posts". I personally think that it all hinges on that one blog entry and that its reliability is subjective. I'll let Kudpung speak for himself, though. I've probably butted in too far as it is so the trout stays! I'm never opposed to a trouting anyway. I think a little silliness is good for productivity.

I'm suddenly craving fish and chips... OlYeller21^Talktome 22:40, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm no more in favour of the sillines of trouting, than I am of the sillines of WikiLove, both which risk either turning Wikipedia into a social media site or reinforcing the strong consensus in the outside world that Wikipedia is a joke or at best, a project run by children. That said, I thoroughly researched the article before deleting it. There is nevertheless nothing to prevent the creator or another user discussing the deletion with either the patroller or the deleting admin in a cordial manner, which on any substantial evidence of notability could result in a refund - which I would have assumed that Martin, as an experienced editor and admin, should have known, and (re)acted appropriately and in a civil manner. I have deleted around 1,500 articles and tagged tens of thousands of others for deletion, and there have only been around five declined CSDs and no successful reclaims. Perhaps we should should examine Martin's 9,679 edits.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

hrm, I think I completely mis-judged the situation here. I expected you would, upon re-inspection of the article, agree with me that tagging it A7 was a mistake (which is what the trout is for, pointing people to a simple mistake. No harm done.) I was actually very much surprised that the auto-untag notice went to your usertalk. At first I re-examined the articles history, because I thought that the userscript made a mistake in who placed the CSD tag. I just couldn't believe that you made this, in my eyes, blatant mistake. Yet is seems we - after examination of the article - disagree on the eligibility of A7 for this article (which is not what trouts are for.) Looking over it again, I still don't see how this article is eligible under A7. Which makes me think: maybe I'm the one interpreting A7 in the wrong way. My thoughts were the following: The blog post is independant, qualifies as a reliable source per WP:NEWSBLOG, and gives significant coverage: the whole article is about the organisation. I believe that automatically disqualifies the article for A7, but you don't seem to agree. Could you let me know how I can see this from your perspective? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 17:36, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion, reliability is inherently subjective and stating your opinion as fact while citing a policy isn't a constructive way to have a conversation. WP:NEWSBLOG is specifically about a blog that belongs to a news source which GiveWell is a self-described "independent, nonprofit charity evaluator". By stating your argument in such a matter-of-fact way, it seems easy to conclude that you feel that any blog is notable simply by looking at the text at a WP:Blue link.

Kudpung, sorry for butting in and sorry if you feel that silliness has no place on WP. Personally, I shy away from extremes and think that variety is conducive to any work environment; especially volunteer environments which I have a great deal of experience in outside of WP. Stepping out of this conversation now. OlYeller21^Talktome 18:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Reading WP:newsblog again, you are right, it does only mention news organisations. The pivotal point for me to have qualified this as a reliable source, is the editorial control over the content. I'd love to hear your point of view Kudpung! Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:44, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

When I tagged the article, the only sources on it were primary sources, and these: Give Well Blog, a simple charity calculator or charity review site; (does not assert notability), [5],blog no further information about the site available. I checked the first two pages in Google. So I missed this. People in glass houses should not throw stones - or fish. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

RfA

Hey! I don't know if you still remember, but I contacted you in September about a potential RfA. Per you advice, I did contact HJ Mitchell at that time, with this response, which led me to this conversation. Keeping in mind my editor review in August, I'd like to once again seek your advice as to whether it is time.--Slon02 (talk) 04:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I remember, and from what I remember, I think I suggested it would be wise to wait at least another few months. Apart from that, the climate at RfA at the moment does not appear to be conducive to an RfA being a pleasant experience for anyone who is not assured of a clear success. However, I can't find where and how I replied to you. Could you please either give me a link, or send me a copy of my email? I will then reply today. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I've emailed you the emails that you sent.--Slon02 (talk) 05:07, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, RFA sucks :P Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 05:10, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Request for Time: India Education Program Learnings

Hi. I'm writing to request a favor. The India Education Program pilot is concluding in Pune, India. It has been extraordinarily challenging and a series of learnings have emerged from the pilot that we intend to take on board to inform the way forward. I had promised an honest, open and comprehensive review. There are multiple ways that we are trying to collate and distill these learnings. One of these is that the Foundation has commissioned a study to do in depth interviews with a wide variety of folks who were directly or indirectly involved in the pilot. The include discussions with students, Ambassadors, faculty as well as members of the global community such as yourself. I thought it would be really particularly useful if we could get your views. You have been involved in the project (albeit not as part of the formal project structure.) I thank you for your involvement. You have made some interesting and insightful comments in the discussions you have participated in. Would you be willing and available for the person working on this study so that she can get your feedback and suggestions and comments? If so, would you let me know on my talk page? Do also let me know how I can have her reach out to you. Many thanks in advance. Hisham (talk) 09:56, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Message?

What was the reason you visited and edited my talk page? Please respond there. Djathinkimacowboy 07:38, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, malformed link. See Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:45, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Kudpung, I appreciate that clarification. On another note...I need some help! At this page you can view an edit & a revert:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trilby&action=historysubmit&diff=462225102&oldid=461371219

The trouble is I did not make any such edit in the 1st place (which seems to do with Chang Kai-shek wearing a Trilby). As you see, User:Foofbun is responsible for the revert - what am I to do? Can you have a look, perhaps I am missing something. Djathinkimacowboy 07:51, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Here is where you will see what I mean more clearly. See the text in red: When not wearing a military cap, Nationalist Chinese leader Chang Kai-shek frequently wore a trilby, according to Jonathan Fenby's biography Generalissimo Chiang Kai-Shek and the China He Lost. [Italics mine]--This line of text is what seems to have been attributed to me, apparently with my signature.

Problem is, as I said, I made no such edit. I would never have made such an edit as that, and I recently removed the entire section for total lack of notability. But if you look, it then appears User:Foofbun came in and reverted the edit. That bothers me, that I can't see who made the original edit which I did not make. Someone is playing games with me! Could my user account be compromised? Djathinkimacowboy 08:01, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't see any issue there. If anything, somebody just made a very minior format improvement. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:03, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

No, no! I reference the original text that was reverted by User:Foofbun which shows my signature but I did not write. That worries me. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trilby&diff=462225102&oldid=461371219 and you will see the text in red, which was added earlier, is signed by my name, but I did not write that. Djathinkimacowboy 08:32, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Savastika! Oh, I'm sorry, I see what you mean now. I see there is no reason to worry too much. Someone is editing weirdly but it is no worry. Apologies for disturbing you. I forgot to sign, sorry! Djathinkimacowboy 08:37, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)::::::I still don't see any issues. Even if smeone signed a talk page with your sig. the software wouild log it as made by the real poster. mainspace articles cannot be faked because they are not signe and the sofware ads the user's name to the history log. Now if you mean the text in red, that's a different thing - you made the previous edit which was [this], and the left hand side of the diff-diff comparison just shows the section that you had edited, and the red part was in that section. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:42, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Stop CSD patrolling template?

Hi Kudpung, if I remember correctly, you have a nice template you use to ask people to stop tagging articles for speedy deletion when they appear to misunderstand the criteria... Where would I find it? Cheers, Catfish Jim and the soapdish 11:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jim. It's not a template, it's probably one of many customised messages I have in a special multi-clipboard tool on my computer. I used to copy and paste custom messages that I still have stored here but I haven't even looked at that page for at least a year. It's probably a bit of a mess, but you're welcome to raid it if you can understand it all. When I actually ask people to stop tagging, which I've probably only resorted to two or three times, I write something new each time. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:45, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Time to bring it out of retirement, asap --Shirt58 (talk) 11:55, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

This is disturbing. For several reasons including only 142 unique pages edited, prabaly all CSD tags. Let's keep an eye on this and see what happens now that requests have been made. If it conrinues, blocking will sadly be the only solution. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:40, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Shirt, that was the editor I was thinking of!

Thanks Kudpung... I'll certainly keep an eye on this one. He's subsequently tagged a page with multiple A1, G3, G11 and G12. Mind boggling. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 13:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

VenusAngelic

hello, please could you kindly restore my article about VenusAngelic, my daughter, I was not finished with editing, I wanted to post her resume singing with Rumi Shishido in Japan and her acting in the movie Achtung, ferting, Charlie etc, including photos and evidence. It is my first article, so maybe I didn't know I have to finish or it will be quickly reviewed, I thought I had more time... Sorry. Please let me know! (I already wrote 2 persons who where mentioned in the email and on the delete log page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bonadea and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jac16888#VenusAngelic) Sorry it is my first time editing an article! best regards Margaret — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maggie.7537 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:49, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

HI, thank you & Edit conflict

Hi -appreciated you bio. Thanks for comments my page. Edit conflict: Two of you responded within minutes of each other. I would like both your comments to remain, as they contain helpful "blue-links." I presume there's a proper name for them, not Wikilinks? So, can one/both of you resolve the Edit Conflict? Or, is that my task? (I would likely replace the "edit conflicts" with a single "resolved" - presume I am not supposed to edit someone else's words, even if repetitious.) Thanks. --KnowLimits (talk) 19:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

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Venus Angelic

Ok, I think I understand. But She also won "Miss Thai Beuty and Culture 2007" in Switzerland in Gretzenbach. Acting in Achtung, fertig, charlie in Switzerland in 2003 she is even in the trailer. And she is a youtube partner youtube.com/venusangelic and blogger www.venusangelic.com

And see please this: she is worldwide 2. place in LOTTE contest of 2011 and won 500.000 (half million) japanese Yen. http://lotte-fits.jp/dance/announcement.html

Venus was working with Rumi Shishido and Kohei Shigahara as well in 2010, gave concert and idol event together. Can I please maybe write the article with all the references?I have much more references and evidence.

She is already listed on Wikipedia as a net idol and that's why I wrote the article, I wanted to avoid that some hater start to fill out untrue datas.

best regards Margaret — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.204.11.137 (talk) 00:53, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Please read and the message I left on your talk page and review the linked policy pages. If you have problems understanding them (they are sometimes complex), please don't hesitate to let me know. Please log in and use your account when you edit, and remember to sign your posts. Thanks.. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:04, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Paulding Middle School

Hi. You have a beautiful user page. Very nice!

I noticed (edit conflict) that you deleted a section from the Paulding Middle School article as "trivia". First, I would think it should have been obvious from the recent edits to that page that I am in the middle of cleaning up and expanding that article. Wiping out an entire section while it is being actively edited is not very helpful. That has become my "hold-all" section for stuff that I haven't been able to source yet or figure out where to move it elsewhere in the article.

I understand that trivia sections are strongly discouraged, and I understand (and appreciate) why they are. However, I think it can remain there for a little while longer while I continue to edit the article. Please understand that I am not a middle school student doing this for the heck of it. I am an experienced editor working to make the article much better.

It's been a long day, so I am going to sign off en.wiki for several hours now. I just wanted you to understand that I wasn't trying to revert your deletion without a good reason (thus hopefully avoiding you removing it again). Thanks! —Willscrlt ( “Talk” ) 15:47, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. My apologies if I interrupted your work, but I carry out major recasts to keep school articles in tune with WP:WPSCH/AG, and trivia, along with sections such as bell schedules, mission statements are usually the first to go. If you are editing an article for en extended period, please consider placing the 'in use' template on the top of the articles and then you won't be disturbed. Nevertheless, I should point out that middle schools have no inherent notability and unless they have something very special about them, they risk being either deleted or redirected to the articles about the school district (USA) or to the education section of the article about their locality. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:02, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I certainly understand the reason to remove trivia, bell schedules, etc., and I admire the work that you do to keep some type of order in that section. :-) I find the "in-use" template to be a bit of a bother. Usually I just edit pages off-wiki, and then upload them back when I am finished (or at a good stopping point), and since most articles I edit are generally pretty quiet, it's rarely a problem. You didn't cause me any problems, so no worries.

I understand about the notability (or rather non-notability) issue quite well (I've nominated several articles for deletion myself for that very reason), and I am working on improving and highlighting the notability aspect of the article the whole time I am working on the article. I am familiar with the school first-hand, and it seems like some of the luster has worn off over the years. I think much of its former glory was captured in print newspapers, and those are a lot harder to track down in this digital news age. There are definitely things worth mentioning, but finding reliable sources for them is challenging. I'm hoping that once I get the article re-written, that I can request some help from the current staff webmaster at the school to see if she can look through their archives for some good info with sources.

That assumes that the article remains alive long enough to do that. But that's the way things work here on en.wiki. It's all so fast paced when things go awry. Commons and most of the other wikis operate at a much more leisurely pace, and I like that. But en.wiki is just too big with too many editors and vandals to operate leisurely. Oh well. Such is life and the risk we take editing here. :-) —Willscrlt ( “Talk” ) 16:19, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Years ago I also used to to do major chunks of editing off line until I realised that when I put them back in I was squashing intermediate edits by others. Hmm... quiet articles, it's a bit like your toast falling on the floor buttered side down. I wrote an article about my old school a couple of years ago, and when I went back to the UK in September this year I spent a day climbing around in 500 year-old attics sifting through old archives for sources. I'm thinking of nominating it for GA, if you have a moment, I would very much appreciate you taking a look and letting me have your opinion on it. Take care, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind at all. However, the link you provided is broken. As to squashing other edits, I always abort when I see edit conflicts, and I resolve the conflict before blindly saving (usually by merging, but sometimes by squashing—as I did with yours *grin*). I'm really leaving for now. TTYL. —Willscrlt ( “Talk” ) 16:40, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, I'm writing to you because you commented on the talk page of Iaaasi/Daccono and I have a question regarding that whole situation. Since Iaaasi is sitebanned, isn't it a violation of his site wide ban (which includes talk pages) to use the talkpage of a confirmed puppet of his (the "Daccono" account), to further wikilawyer, comment, cite diffs, etc on wikipedia stuff? For example Iaaasi's latest comment. I would like to just revert his edits as a violation of the original Iaaasi siteban. This situation never really came up before so I'm not sure if it were proper for me to revert back his edit in which he asks for unblock. He has a lot of accounts that this could apply to in the future as well ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hobartimus/sandbox4 ). What do you think? Hobartimus (talk) 20:31, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I've seen your excellent work on documenting this issue, but I don't think there is much I can add as it is very complex and I have not been following it since it first came to light. My comment was intended just as a purely neutral observation when having patrolled recent requests for unblock. . --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Primary education

Yes, this is what I meant. Sorry for my poor english... You know when there is 25 CP and 33 CM2, that's 58 children: they must do a 29-puplic CP/CM2 A and 29-pupil CP/CM2 B... Etc. when there are 350 pupil in a school, let's make 12 classes of almost equal size. I'm really sorry about the sources, I don't have any. You may read this. Feel free to edit what I wrote ! --JackAttackFR (talk) 14:16, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

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