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Pings

I know what you mean about pings and the yellow bar of super cringe. I'm usually like oh shit what have I done, lol. As for the draft, glad to know you are hyped about it. Sometimes I hesitate about pinging folks who I think can help because I don't want anyone to feel obligated. S0091 (talk) 18:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

S0091! I love that you went so far above and beyond when you reviewed the drafts. It is so unusual, and it's what we need to be doing to keep new editors from fleeing! Thank you for reminding me of that. I feel the same way about pinging other editors. Worse though is pinging another editor and being ignored. It's really discouraging.
So good to (kinda) meet you! Julie JSFarman (talk) 19:10, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
My view on reviewing has changed over time and my overall editing has changed after I discovered I had access to the WP Library (a Wikipedia life changer!). I don't always help out drafts...sometimes I'm lazy but do on occasion especially for historical topics where it's clear the creator likely does not have access to better sources. There's actually at least a handful or so editors who are willing to do so: valereee for food topics, BeanieFan11 for sports, jengod and PigeonChichenFish for various, KylieTastic usually for FloridaArmy's African American politician drafts, WIR for women/under-represented groups and so on. When DGG was still alive he focused on academics, even going through the painful exercise of reviewing abandoned drafts coming up for G13 (miss him). I came across you and your fantastic User page sometime ago while reviewing and apparently tucked you away in my head. When I came across the The Central, I connected the two.
Eh...it doesn't bother if I ping someone and they don't respond, nor if I leave a note on a WikiProject talk page that gets no traction. This is a volunteer effort and it should be mostly be enjoyable. If no one is into it, disappointing but that's fine. Also, I know I have been pinged and completely forgot because I was focused on something else at the time. Anyway, great to "wiki" meet you as well. S0091 (talk) 19:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
S0091! When I looked at your talk page, I was reminded of how difficult reviewing is. Way too many disgruntled people, way too many messages. Huge props to you for responding to so many (unkind) comments with kindness. I still review aticles now and then, and I patrol from time to time, but not to the extent that I used to. (I find patroling much more difficult than reviewing.)
I am very psyched that you registered my existence! (One of the highlights of my experiences here was DGG asking me to weigh in on a music-related AfD; it was probably because he was tired of me asking him about academics. I miss him too.) I am familiar with all of the editors you mentioned, of course, but I didn't know jengod at all until she came to an editathon in December. She is brilliant. And she edits entirely on her cell.
And yes! The Wikipedia Library is a game changer. I think I edited for about five years without knowing it existed. Now I use it all the time.
I added the Central to our articles list for the edit-a-thon on Sunday. I hope we can find references. If we do, you will hear me celebrating from wherever you are! Julie JSFarman (talk) 03:42, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I will very likely be at the Los Angeles meetup

I said I'd leave a message on your talk page, as it is very much likely I will be there this Saturday. I have never been at a Wikipedia meetup before, so I'm excited for this! ShticktatorTal (talk) 04:47, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Fantastic!!! Last meetup we had was a blast. I am always a little harried at these things (because I am hella disorganized) but I am so psyched to meet you, ShticktatorTal. I feel like we are kindred spirits in at least a handful of ways! JSFarman (talk) 05:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thank you for hosting the edit-a-thon in West Hollywood. The turnout was outstanding, and hopefully the new editors will becoming meaninful productive contributors in whatever endeavor they apply themselves on Wikipedia and elsewhere. It was great seeing you again. RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 11:25, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

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J.M.I. Recordings

I published this article recently - Draft:J.M.I. Recordings - and it was speedy deleted. I'm wondering if you might be able to review it this time around before I publish it again? Record labels seems a little tricky to have published sources where it is a primary subject, because most of the articles that discuss the label are discussing particular albums or artists the label has produced.. Hexatekin (talk) 17:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

(by talk reader) @Hexatekin: I'm curious why you wrote this draft. The subject is not notable, which is typical of book publishers, record labels, and other publishers of material. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Quoting from User:Jessiemay1984 on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Record Labels, "it is impossible to divorce a record label's press coverage from its artists, nor would it make sense to do so." The notability guidelines for record labels have not been fully agreed upon, although there are many in progress discussions, see: Wikipedia talk:Notability (music)/Archive 21#Proposed criteria for record labels. Labels are usually covered in press about artists, but the way the press works doesn't necessarily make them non-notable. Hexatekin (talk) 18:03, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
I had asked the question of why you wrote the draft, which went unanswered. Wikipedia consensus has turned against subject-specific notability guidelines like WP:PORNBIO and WP:SOLDIER so conversations along those lines accomplish nothing. I thought you came here asking for guidance, not argument. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:42, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Hexatekin and hello Chris!
As Chris wrote, you should adhere to the notability criteria for companies. And -- as you noted -- labels don't get a lot of coverage. Particularly jazz labels (and artists).
If the article was speedily deleted, it means (in all likelihood) that an editor assessed the subject as lacking notability and an administrator agreed with their assessment and deleted the article. The subject of an article has to meet the inclusion criteria: independent, reliable sources that provide extensive coverage specifically via independent, reliable sources. Based on the references used, the company doesn't yet meet notability. (I will happily review any article of yours if you ping me, but in this case, I would decline it.)
And Chris! Hexatekin came to an edit-a-thon in LA two weeks ago. They do not have a COI. JSFarman (talk) 19:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

2024 Angel City Edit-a-thon

Hi! I notice you RSVP'd to my event this weekend. Would you be willing to lead a short tutorial for participants who are new to Wikipedia? I've done some editing sporadically over the years but would love some support from a real Wikipedian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/LA/Angel_City_FC_WoSo_Edit-a-thon_2024 Kabest (talk) 22:44, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kabest, I was just about to remove my name from the RSVP list. I have a prosthodontist appt that was just scheduled for exactly the same time as the edit-a-thon. (This procedure wraps up three years of dental hell!.) I'm so sorry! I would love to help.
I will reach out to some other folks to see if anyone else is available. There are also some powerpoint presentations (so uncool) floating around that will walk people through the editing process if you are up for leading the conversation. (Gotta figure out where they're stored.) JSFarman (talk) 23:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Great news! Blervis is experienced and will help! He will get in touch. Woo hoo!!JSFarman (talk) 00:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Yay! Blervis, are you able to lead an introduction to editing? If you can commit to coming, I also need to send you a couple forms the library asks all volunteers to fill out... Let me know what the best way to get those to you is. Kabest (talk) 17:25, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Yes! I have a slide deck already and everything! Sent you a message on FB. Blervis (talk) 18:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Just here to say WOO HOO one more time! Thanks Blervis and Kabest. So glad this is happening. JSFarman (talk) 18:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024

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Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_advice#"Release_history"_tables

Hi @JSFarman. Take a look for which one you prefer at the "Release history" table: "Distributor", "Licensee", "Marketer" or "Promoter". 2001:D08:2910:4C95:17C3:914F:D77C:7595 (talk) 04:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

2001:D08:2910:4C95:17C3:914F:D77C:7595 (talk), Hello! Sorry for the delayed response, and thanks for asking. I tried to respond to the conversation several times but I was so perplexed by the idea of using "marketer" or "promoter" that I lost my ability to be rational. I will attempt it again today. It is so odd. JSFarman (talk) 15:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

The Smubbs & You

Hi! Thank you for looking over and commenting on my AfC submission for The Smubbs. As of right now, I'm a little bit confused on how to satisfy your request — as far as I can tell, every multi-paged source has an attached page number leading to the mention of the article's subject. Instead, is there some way to have the source's url link to a specific page on a pdf?

Hope I'm doing this right! Chroikey (talk) 00:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Chroikey (talk), I am so sorry! I didn't see the page numbers in the cites. I was getting lost in the very old Billboard and Record World articles. I will go over the draft again tonight. JSFarman (talk) 01:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, I can't believe it's been ten years. I probably say this every year, but finding your message on my talk page in 2013 -- surrounded otherwise by notices about orphaned unfree files and disambiguation errors -- was one of the reasons I kept editing. It was the first time I felt like I could be part of Wikipedia. Thank you for the encouragement and for everything you do. JSFarman (talk) 00:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, just thank you! You have perhaps no idea how much encouragement such comments mean for me. 10, however is the last time - I didn't want to make the sapphires any larger ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

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Sam's Club update

Hi JSFarman, in the past you had helped with some changes related to the CEO of Walmart International on the Walmart article I had requested. I made some similar requests on the Sam's Club Talk page and I was hoping you might take a look. I'd really appreciate it! Cheers TJ at Walmart (talk) 14:58, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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Kristi Noem

Keep up the good work! Lighthumormonger (talk) 16:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Lighthumormonger! Same to you. We both seem to embrace a less-is-more attitude, even if it's difficult when it comes to Kristi Noem, because there is SO MUCH MORE. JSFarman (talk) 17:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

You got that right. I guess our readers have to connect a few of the dots on their own from time to time, darn it. But nobody ever said we editors couldn't put the dots a little closer to one another in the way we write, and Noem just happens to make it pretty easy for us to do that! Lighthumormonger (talk) 17:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

There is some great collaborative writing going on in that article. See: "She dispatched the unfortunate ruminant in two shots."[1]. I am in awe of that sentence. JSFarman (talk) 06:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

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Just so you are aware

See WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Shewasafairy regarding MeltPees. Even if they are not a UPE/sock, they have created a mess by copy/pasting other editor's drafts into mainspace, often under a different title. That's a first for me. I have seen many times editors do that with their own creations but not someone else's. Odd. Btw, what I really wanted !vote in that AfD was simply No but likely closers would not consider that a strong argument being (rightfully) sticklers for PAGs and all. S0091 (talk) 17:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Hiya S0091 and thanks. I am not surprised. I have been participating in the NPP backlog drive so I have been paying much more attention than I usually do to new articles/new editors and I have to say it has been exchausting/disheartening (mildly put). I just hit 50 patrols/ reviews and I think I am going to stop for the sake of my mental health. Sigh. JSFarman (talk) 18:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Same for me with AfC. I am to the point that the thought of Wikipedia opening it's own paid editing shop has crossed my mind which is a horrible thought. I don't mind COI like with The Central or even some declared paid editors and then there's the other buckets of well-meaning but the topic will never be an article and so on. Sorry, I am breeding negativity so on another note, what do think about Draft:Joan Javits Zeeman? I did some work a while back finding sources but I am still on the fence. S0091 (talk) 18:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
I think Joan Javits Zeeman is notable, but it's gonna be a slog to demonstrate. (I just added a couple of references, and I'll look for more. It will give me something to do other than patrolling/sticking forks in my eyes.)
I have much more to say on all of the above but I'm gonna say it later because otherwise those forks are gonna start tempting me again. JSFarman (talk) 22:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi . The sock who did me in, Annika59, was blocked. Just read their talk page and you will totally get it. JSFarman (talk) 06:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Lol, "We can get compunsation for making Wikipedia pages?". Looking at (now) Draft:Arcadia School, there's at least a couple more. One is blocked because of their Username and I'll leave at note for Kuru about Adam Mccintosh. He blocked one the socks listed in the glock request the other day. S0091 (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Good morning S0091. That cracked me up too. I can't believe I spent time adding refs and copyediting and trying to help them with two articles. JSFarman (talk) 16:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Oh, I know. I've done it too. Infuriating to spend your time on what ends up being UPE. There have been very rare UPE occasions though where the editor did not know the TOU and that they needed to declare. Once informed were happy to do so and they had written a decent article so I helped it along. S0091 (talk) 17:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Pull a thread and they all tumble out. S0091 (talk) 15:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Wow. Hi. Good morning. JSFarman (talk) 17:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Question regarding 'Draft:Nicole Sahin'

Hi @JSFarman, thank you for being the first to review this article that I wrote: Draft:Nicole Sahin. I am new to writing on this platform and have been grateful for the help I have received. I have made substantial edits in line with your comments (and others in the Teahouse), and I'm now hoping that the article meets the criteria for publishing. Could you let me know, please? Cheers, Kate KWriteReturn (talk) 10:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kate and thanks for the message. The article still needs work. She meets notability but there is content that reads like promotion. I will respond in more detail tomorrow. Julie JSFarman (talk) 07:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Julie. I appreciate your help. Cheers, Kate KWriteReturn (talk) 07:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi again, Kate, I just finished an edit that narrows the scope of the article; it should be about Sahan rather than the company she founded. I removed some redundancies, headings, and hypey phrasing, such as "world's first", consolidated the content, and deleted most of the primary sources, including the press release and LinkedIn, which is as primary as a source can be. I also removed the advert tag.
It still needs stronger citations and a more thorough copy edit. Let's get it done, though; female CEOs are way too rare. JSFarman (talk) 17:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
This has been really helpful, Julie; thank you. I found some better citations and also conducted a copy edit. Please let me know what you think. Cheers, Kate. KWriteReturn (talk) 01:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi Kate. I edited to reflect some sources that I found, and removed the less substantial awards. But it is almost impossible to find independent coverage due to the barrage of press releases. As much as I wish it were not the case, I don't think she yet meets the notability criteria as notability is defined by Wikipedia. JSFarman (talk) 05:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi Julie. Wow, notability is tough trial to pass! I know what you mean about the barrage of press releases; unfortunately, I feel it makes her look less notable than she is. Do you think there is anything else we could use to get her over the line? What about her contribution at the World Economic Forum (WEF) where she spoke about the impact and ethics of generative AI? Here is her profile on the WEF's website, here is a snippet of her contribution, here is the full video. Would any of these suffice? KWriteReturn (talk) 02:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi Kate. To establish notability, you need independent sources. I did an online and offline search. The only truly solid reference I found was from the Independent in Dublin. I tried. JSFarman (talk) 05:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Julie. I'll do one last dig tomorrow to see if I can find anything else. I recall seeing an article by Forbes magazine where they referred to her as the founder of the EOR platform, so I'll see if I can find it again. Cheers, Kate KWriteReturn (talk) 12:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi Julie, I found the Forbes article I referred to above, which I believe to be classified as an independent source (it was also used here). It refers to Sahin as one of the founders of the EOR hiring concept. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrickcai/2023/12/04/12-billion-hr-startup-deel-changed-global-hiring-now-it-wants-to-change-regulators-minds/?sh=4681d77b599b Does it help us get her over the line? KWriteReturn (talk) 01:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Kate, Forbes is a valid source if an article is written by a staffer or editor. However, the coverage of Nicole Sahin in this article is trivial. It's two sentences. To establish notability, you need extensive coverage via independent, reliable sources.
You can learn all about this by reading the the general notability guideline.
Another reviewer might feel differently; feel free to resubmit the article. That said, a better idea would be to get familiar with the inclusion criteria, and hold off until Nicole Sahin meets it. JSFarman (talk) 03:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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Thanks for helping out for the article Stoney Mountain Boys! KjjjKjjj (talk) 09:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, and thanks for writing it, KjjjKjjj! I knew the name but I didn't know anything else about them. It was great to come across the article. I'm going to do some more research -- so much more to learn. JSFarman (talk) 15:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@JSFarman: No worries! I found this out while looking at the main page of WikiProject Appalachia, you can help out the draft since it got drafted due to a lack of sources.
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June 2

i think i made a mitk, i dont ahve time right now to edit or work or even answer more emails and messages. i'd like tio rmeove my myself untill i gte past my currect persoanl issues how can remove myself? pleae advise, i am leagll blind and even emial has become difficult since OL RDESIGNED ISTS INTERFACE, I AHD TO REMOVE MOR THAN HALF OF MY CONTACTS EBECAUSE ITS SLOW3ED DOWN TO DIAL UP LEVELS 2603:8001:9600:DCA6:9071:1DD:4F2E:2D24 (talk) 02:42, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
It's ok to make mistakes around here. Another editor will fix it if it needs fixing. You can just stop editing and come back if and when you want. Julie JSFarman (talk) 03:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

May 2024 NPP backlog drive – Points award

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This award is given in recognition to JSFarman for accumulating at least 50 points during the May 2024 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions helped play a part in the 14,452 reviews completed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 18:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

May 2024 NPP backlog drive – Streak award

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This award is given in recognition to JSFarman for accumulating at least 7 points during each week of the May 2024 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions played a part in the 14,452 reviews completed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:19, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_advice#Simplifying "Release history" tables

Hi @JSFarman: Theknine2 suggest that not to use "Label" and "Region" columns via updated table. Your comments would be appreciated. However there's two other users opposed over updated table, so I suggested that change "Label" to "Distributor" column via original table. Regards. 2001:D08:2950:A7E9:17DE:9924:CDD7:5313 (talk) 04:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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