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That would be quite a curiosity! Thanks for fixing it. :) Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:11, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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		Randomly came across your account when you fixed some old vandalism that I also missed. Saw your user contributions and was quite impressed. From a recent changes patroller that often worries about missed vandalism and random typos, thank you for your gnoming work. PritongKandule-✉️📝 04:19, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Gnomingstuff. After reviewing your request, I have enabled rollback on your account. Please keep the following things in mind while using rollback:

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A kitten for you!

I'm really impressed by your restoration of the comments removed 14 years ago on the pan page. Thank you

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Anne Cooke Reid

Just wanted to say thank you for creating this article. What an interesting woman! I was curious if she had taught any well known actors, and in doing some research discovered that one her students was the novelist Toni Morrison. I added that info and a ref to the article. You might want to mention that the Howard drama program was established in 1947 (see David Krasner (ed.). A Companion to Twentieth-Century American Drama. Wiley. p. 95. ISBN 9781405137348.). Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the additions! She seems to have led a full life. Gnomingstuff (talk) 18:44, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Fabulous hook! :) Chocmilk03 (talk) 01:24, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Talk:Assembly language

I guess you wanted to undo some vandalism on Talk:Assembly language, but hit a wrong button and instead reset the page to an old version. I reverted your edit. Of course, you're more than welcome to clean up vandalism! I would have done it myself, but I didn't find the change you wanted to undo. Cheers, Chrisahn (talk) 09:13, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks -- made the correct change now. Gnomingstuff (talk) 15:30, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Generative AI and Wikipedia research

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Welcome to the drive!

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Fix a random page lacking sources

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Please stop altering archived pages

Archived pages are archived. It helps no one for you to go on a campaign for your own reasons, over 50 pages just in the last few hours, to fix vandalism that may not have been caught at the time. Archive pages have a big bold notice boxed at the top that says, Do not edit the contents of this page; please respect that. If you want to amuse yourself fixing 8-year old vandalism, such as this edit at Talk:Domestic robot, or 15-year-old edits like this one or this one in ancient Talk page discussions, knock yourself out. But please stay off pages that have been archived. Thanks. Mathglot (talk) 11:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mathglot I have specifically asked whether this was OK and was told by multiple people that it was not only OK but encouraged: "The admonition about not editing archives doesn't apply at all to maintenance edits such as removing vandalism, adding more text that hadn't been archived before, etc." Gnomingstuff (talk) 11:59, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I respect that, but I haven't seen it, nor participated, and whereas that may be the view of a few scattered editors, I for one do not accept that that represents the type of broad consensus required for a major change of this nature. There are many reasons to oppose this, not least, the time sink it represents for other editors. Afaict, thus far you are the only editor doing this, which means I only have to look at your edits to see if they are vandalism or not, but if other editors start doing the same thing, archives may start drawing lots of edits by multiple editors, and we will be in a situation where lots of vandalism fighters (like yours truly) will have to start looking at tons of archive-changing edits to see if they are legitimate or not. This would be hugely disruptive of multiple editors' time, even for those edits, like yours, that are clearly not vandalism (but you don't know that, until you look). But the upshot is a huge waste of time, for edits that are not an improvement to the encyclopedia, which is, after all, why we are all here. I understand and respect your view, but I ask you to please stop making edits to archives until a broad consensus has been achieved—meaning a discussion, and likely an Rfc, at a centralized discussion location that attracts a broad array of editors who can discuss the pros and cons and lay down a strong consensus one way or the other. Once you have that, I have no objection. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 20:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I note your opinion about how I choose to spend my free time.

However, there is no "major change" taking place. Multiple people (including one administrator) have confirmed that it is OK to revert undetected vandalism on talk pages including archives, and I have done so extensively without complaint for almost a year -- indeed, I have been thanked for many such edits. You are the first and only person to take issue. Any "time sink" is of your own making; I have been reverting vandalism for several years now, and I provide diffs of the vandalizing edit for any non-obvious changes except for the rare cases where they no longer exist in article history due to merges/etc.

I am not aware of any policy preventing the removal of vandalism, and I would imagine most people would be surprised to hear such a thing exists. I would also imagine that most people would find it uncontroversial that vandalism is bad and should be removed, and that removing it is a clear improvement to the project. This includes vandalism to talk pages, which are indexed by search engines, scraped by various services/LLMs/text repositories, and are otherwise publicly accessible. In the worst-case scenarios, people have added slurs, defamatory claims about people with their real names, and even oversightable material.

If you would like to propose a new policy that vandalism must remain untouched, you are welcome to try your luck at doing so. Gnomingstuff (talk) 01:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify what the consensus actually is, the following are explicitly mentioned as appropriate talk page edits in the talk page guidelines:

"Restoration: to restore comments vandalized or accidentally edited or deleted by others."
"Removing harmful posts, including personal attacks, trolling, and vandalism." (As noted in the guideline, uncivil messages and criticisms don't fall under this criterion, and I have not been altering those unless they are blatant vandalism and not just someone's legitimate strong opinion.)
"Off-topic posts: It is common to simply delete gibberish, test edits, harmful or prohibited material (as described above), and comments or discussion clearly about the article's subject itself (as opposed to comments and discussion about the treatment of the subject in the article)."

All of my edits involve vandalism that falls into one of these three categories. Again, if you disagree with the guidelines you are welcome to try to change them, but these guidelines reflect current consensus. Gnomingstuff (talk) 04:18, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no point listing here what is already in the guideline because I support the guideline and have no wish to change anything in it. Rather, I am asking you to stay within the guidelines, which I believe you are not doing. I have stated before that I have no objection to your fixing vandalized comments or any of the rest of it on Talk pages, which appears to be the great majority of what you are doing, so keep on doing it, and hats off to you. What I am requesting, is that you stop altering the contents of archived pages, until you achieve consensus for that.

For example, a few days ago, you altered (diff) a page that was archived in 2015. There is a bold, boxed warning to "not edit the contents of this page" at the top of the page that you edited. There is nothing in the guideline that says you may ignore this in archives, and I am requesting that you just hold off on the changes to archived pages, not the edits to Talk pages. There's clearly no urgency here for a page was archived nine years ago, right? So, it isn't going to hurt anyone to just wait a bit for that type of edit, until this can be cleared up. So, please just hold off on changes to archived pages, until there is a clear consensus that it is okay to do that. If you do gain consensus for it, we should consider making a request that the Archive template warning be changed, so it no longer says that the page must not be edited, and it should have a link added instead, and/or list the exceptional cases in which it may be. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have nothing to say that I have not already said, and I have no desire to honor your invented one-man consensus. Take it up with the multiple people -- including one administrator -- who have agreed that is OK, as well as the zero other people who have said it is not.

Several more people have thanked me for such edits since you have last scolded me. Gnomingstuff (talk) 23:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was coming here to ask you about the point of this recent edit to an archived talkpage, but I see that you have already been questioned on this kind of edit. You repeatedly point above to the supposed consensus here, but aside from the fact that two editors on a rarely-viewed talkpage is not a particularly compelling consensus, the example you give in that discussion is editing somebody else's comment and/or template to include crude vandalism along the lines of "i fucked your mom," making it appear that they originally said it. I wouldn't object to you reverting that kind of thing particularly, but there is no compelling need to remove a test edit consisting solely of the letter "a" and the IP's signature as you did here.
Can you not edit archived talkpages if it isn't actually blatant vandalism? Your last 100 edits are all reverting stuff on talkpages; by my count 22 of those are archived talkpages, and of those 22 I wouldn't consider any of them actually harmful; most of them are test edits rather than vandalism in any sense. As Mathglot says above, all this does is add stuff unnecessarily to editors' watchlists, which makes it easier for actual vandalism to slip through the cracks. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have nothing to say that I and longstanding policy have not already said, at length. "Reverting vandalism is bad actually because it means there will be more vandalism" is certainly a novel take. Gnomingstuff (talk) 09:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's an impressively bad-faith misinterpretation of what I actually said. Policy is clear that the edit I objected to was not reverting vandalism. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your argument could be applied to literally any edit that appears on a watchlist. Thus, it is a bad argument. If your watchlist is so unwieldy that it can be ruined by one person's manual edits, then that is a problem with your watchlist.

As for the link above, which I have read many times since reverting vandalism is 80% of what I do on this website, it also makes clear that such edits are still "prohibited," and is primarily meant to inform how to properly communicate with those users (which I have not been doing for people whose edits are not recent). Nowhere does it claim that those edits should stand. As I have said before, they make it more difficult to comprehend pages and correctly attribute comments, which is why the talk page guidelines state that they should be removed. (If anything the talk page guidelines are far more liberal in what they recommend removing; for instance they recommend removing off-topic, comments which I have not been doing as that is subjective.) Gnomingstuff (talk) 10:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

recommend removing off-topic comments No, they don't. WP:TPG says that it is common to delete test edits. That's not a recommendation. They do however say that an archived discussion is intended to be preserved as-is and should not be edited. Removing a test edit from 2011 which has been archived for eighteen months is not so urgent as to override that recommendation.

I do not believe for a moment that this edit makes the archive meaningfully easier to comprehend the page, and it certainly doesn't make it any easier to "correctly attribute" any comments. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are free to believe what you want, it does not affect reality in the slightest. As I said, take it up with the people who explicitly told me it was OK. Gnomingstuff (talk) 15:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not about the people you talked to, it's about policies, guidelines (like WP:DISRUPTION), collegial and collaborative editing, and consensus. You seem to be a more, my-way-or-the-highway type of person, which works just fine, until it doesn't. Mathglot (talk) 16:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I am the "ask for permission first" type, as evidenced by the fact that I asked for permission first before embarking on the disruptive, terrible crusade of reverting vandalism, received that permission, and then went about doing that for several months, receiving no criticism and in fact being thanked for it. You seem to prefer spending several months scolding people for following instructions, for unclear reasons.

As I have stated many, many times, you are free to address the people who have given me that permission, including (as I have also stated many times) an administrator. Gnomingstuff (talk) 17:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said in my initial comment on this talkpage, they told you it was okay to remove blatant vandalism. The example you gave when asking for permission was is editing somebody else's comment and/or template to include crude vandalism along the lines of "i fucked your mom," making it appear that they originally said it. Please stop misrepresenting the discussion which you are relying on for "permission". Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I truly do not have time for this and am done engaging with you. Invent policy somewhere else. Gnomingstuff (talk) 16:52, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I really hope no one yells at me for doing this. Gnomingstuff (talk) 04:38, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]