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WP:NAMB

Thank you for your recent messages regarding dab hatnotes and the WP:NAMB guideline. According to the criterion you have given, WP:NAMB should not be applied to articles about ambiguous song titles. I would like to explain why I believe you are mistaken.

The reason that I Want You Back (Bananarama song) does not need a hatnote is that a reader who is following links within Wikipedia would not have ended up at I Want You Back (Bananarama song) if one were looking for another song called "I Want You Back", since I Want You Back does not redirect there. The WP:NAMB exception — a hatnote may still be appropriate when even a more specific name is still ambiguous — does not apply here. The reason Matt Smith (comics) needs a dab hatnote is that a reader who is following links within Wikipedia could end up at Matt Smith (comics) if they were looking for Matt Smith (illustrator), as the latter illustrates comics. For example, they might reasonably type Matt Smith (comics) into the search box if they are more familiar with his work on comics than on other media.

However, the search term I Want You Back (Bananarama song) can only refer to one article. To be explicit:

  • a reader who is following links within Wikipedia would not have ended up at "I Want You Back" (Bananarama song) if one were looking for "I Want You Back" (Hoodoo Gurus song)
  • a reader who is following links within Wikipedia would not have ended up at "I Want You Back" (Bananarama song) if one were looking for "I Want You Back" (Melanie B song)
  • a reader who is following links within Wikipedia would not have ended up at "I Want You Back" (Bananarama song) if one were looking for "I Want You Back" ('N Sync song)
  • a reader who is following links within Wikipedia would not have ended up at "I Want You Back" (Bananarama song) if one were looking for "I Want You Back" (Pure Soul song)
  • a reader who is following links within Wikipedia would not have ended up at "I Want You Back" (Bananarama song) if one were looking for "I Want You Back" (Secret song)

However, a reader who is following links within Wikipedia could end up at I Want You Back if one were looking for I Want You Back (Bananarama song), which is why I Want You Back needs a dab hatnote.

I hope this is helpful — Labalius (talk) 14:04, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

As experienced editors, you and I know that hovering over a link will reveal a hidden disambiguation term. However, less experienced readers and every reader on a mobile device will see only "I Want You Back" with no way to distinguish it from any of the other 6 songs with articles. If the link were routinely presented (against the MOS) as "I Want You Back (Bananarama song)" then WP:NAMB would not be a factor but it's not. With only a link to "I Want You Back", a reader should be able to easily discover the article they're actually seeking if they find themselves on the Bananarama song article. That's why we have hatnotes. Also, what benefit is created for readers by removing a hatnote pointing to disambiguation? None that I can see. - Dravecky (talk) 19:02, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

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