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  • An RfC is open to add a delay of one week from nomination to deletion for G13 speedy deletions.

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  • Last week all wikis were very slow or not accessible for 30 minutes. This was due to server lag caused by regenerating dynamic lists on the Russian Wikinews after a large bulk import. (T287380)

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Hi, good morning, can you help me fix my talk page? I must have pressed something and the page was blanked, your messages as well as others disappeared. I can't get it back to how it was. Bowling Agenda 2020 (talk) 04:17, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2021

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Dinogad's smock

Hi just re your recent reviews of the redirects I set up for this page, there are a couple of incomplete statements there. The template you added states that the redirect is in an unknown language. If knowing the language is important, Peis Dinogat is the name in the Old Welsh language and Pais Dinogad is the name in the Welsh language. The phrase "Dinogat's Smock" is not a misspelling, it is simply an alternative name, as the poem itself is untitled.

I don't know the significance of the review messages you added, it may be they don't need any change. If so, feel free to ignore this message. All the best.Boynamedsue (talk) 11:21, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

15:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Overlinking of locations

WP:OLINK clearly states: "...the following are usually not linked: locations (e.g., New Delhi; New York City, or just New York if the city context is already clear; London, if the context rules out London, Ontario; Southeast Asia".

Rome is one of the most famous and easily recognisable cities in the world; on other examples, a judgement-call may be needed, eg., South Georgia, Cameroon, some volatile arab countries Libya, Iraq and countries/places that have been renamed, Malagasy, Myanmar, Maputo.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 17:26, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@Rocknrollmancer: In practice, we link every thing in someone's birthplace except the country (although there are cases where the country is linked, mostly the defunct countries). This is done not just to motorcycle racer articles; this is done in virtually almost all articles, especially sportspeople's articles. I would say this is a matter of consistency with the majority of the articles. Articles that populate Category:Sportspeople from Rome link to Rome (some even linking to Italy) so I don't think there is a problem linking Rome in Franco's article (Italy is not even linked). Engr. Smitty Werben 17:41, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
"In practice" this is likely due to fancruft, ie., partisan editing from IP addresses and drive by usernames, rather than from following guidelines.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 17:51, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

15:31, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021

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New WikiProject Proposal Alert

This is a note to let editors know that a user has proposed "WikiProject MotoGP". You can visit the proposal and discussion here. (Proposer was not me, I am just a guy alerting editors to the proposal.) Elijahandskip (talk) 21:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Motoe

Hi, I did not add in thing related to the pole position, I just added nowrap so that would be consistent with users on mobile devices, so I don't understand what I did wrong. If you would give me a better explanation I would be better for me, thanks Awesometd (talk) 16:13, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

18:29, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Hi User:Engr. Smitty I am here to ask you a question if you are a filipino? kung oo pwede ba tayo mag usap nais ko lang makipag kaibigan dito sa Wikipedia i'm here in wikipedia in almost a year ago so parang passion ko talaga ang pag bibigay ng contribute and edit sa mga articles dito sa wikipedia lalong lalo na sa Basketball and Sports Industry. Flex On Me (talk) 10:58, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Marquez page edit

Look, Marquez collected 334 points in 2013, 362 in 2014, 242 in 2015, 298 in 2016, 298 in 2017, 321 in 2018, 420 in 2019, 0 in 2020 and now has 92 points. My edit was correct, do the math and you'll find out yourself that he collected a total of 2367 point in premier class so far. Tommaso Righi (talk) 14:28, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – October 2021

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2021 Motorcycle Grand Prix of the Americas

I noticed you edited this page. In the race section you have included Jack Miller at number 7 and Joan Mir at number 8 even though Mir finished ahead of Miller. But you don't give any reason for this or reference. Was Mir pushed back one place because of a racing incident? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chami46 (talkcontribs) 06:34, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Chami46 First of all, I was not the one who added the race classification section. And yes, he was penalized for that incident (1 place penalty). Engr. Smitty Werben 07:14, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

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(t · c) buidhe 01:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

20:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Date formats

Hi, when changing the date format to mdy in Formula One articles, please note that you need to change the "date" parameter to "fulldate" in the Template:Infobox Grand Prix race report, this is because the "date" parameter puts the date in dmy format, regardless of the date format put in the field. Thanks, SSSB (talk) 09:44, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@SSSB: Was it really the case? Because after my edit at 2019 United States Grand Prix, I could actually see "November 3, 2019" in the infobox, but after your edit, it became "November 3" only. I'm not sure what causes that in my browser. Engr. Smitty Werben 09:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
After your edit (and looking again at the permalink, Special:Permalink/1052059687) I saw/see "3 November 2019" in the infobox. As an aside, I re-added the year. SSSB (talk) 10:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

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20:26, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Unnamed section

Hi. The changes I made to the Moto3 page are official - they were confirmed by the team this morning, hence why I changed the page. They haven't issued a press release yet but the team manager announced it live on this morning's coverage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DenkMit (talkcontribs) 09:30, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@DenkMit: I have re-added them after finding a news article. We still need news articles/press releases for verifiability. Also, for sports transactions, these are important to determine if the transaction is already official or not (see this essay). Nevertheless, I have found a news article and have subsequently re-added Tatay and Artigas. Thanks Simon. Engr. Smitty Werben 10:51, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

20:35, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

"Ti'Quan Forbes" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Ti'Quan Forbes. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 10#Ti'Quan Forbes until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Spanneraol (talk) 01:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

November 10, 2021

Hello Engr.Smitty i think my edits is correct on Alex Crisano, Don Camaso and Rudy Hatfield they totally undrafted and if you don't believe this is the list

Undrafted players signed by PBA team

Please check the main article of 2000 PBA draft Nyanda Barasa (talk) 10:56, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Undrafted players signed by PBA team

Please check the main article of 2000 PBA draft Nyanda Barasa (talk) 10:56, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Pertamina Mandalika SAG Is From Spain

Hello, I just want to let you know that Pertamina Mandalika SAG Racing Team is from Spain not Indonesia Pertamina And Mandalika Racing is Just a Sponsor and Partner. Please Edit Back I Can'tI just want to let you know that Pertamina Mandalika SAG Racing Team is from Spain not Indonesia Pertamina And Mandalika Racing is Just a Sponsor and Partner. Please Edit Back I can't edit it 180.252.237.65 (talk) 14:45, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

F1 podiums

Hi, today I tried to correct something and I see you have undone this. I'm quite new here so I'm sure how things work.

I'll try to explain why I corrected the percentage podiums finishes on the F1 driver records wiki.

The source cited is: statsf1.com. When I look for percentage podiums I see that besides Serafini also George Amick has a 1 in 1 (100%) podium ratio by competing in 1 Indy-500 during the years they counted as F1 GP. Since other Indy drivers from that era made it into the top-10 Amick needs to be included. To make the statistics more sensible (and as a bonus eliminate most Indy drivers) I set the minimum races to 5 entries. This was arbritary and just as easily I could have chosen for a minimum of 15 entries. There is a precedent by the percentage of point scores which is already in place on the same wiki. The reasons I chose minimum 5 entries is that it's more difficult to finish on an podium than to finish in the points. Also I hated to see Fagioli gone ;-)

I'm looking forward to your reply and maybe you'll consider reversing your reversal of my adaptations.

Best greetings!

Mark (Netherlands) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark Grootemaat (talkcontribs) 14:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

22:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Query

Why have you removed the non-breaking spaces?--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 02:19, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Rocknrollmancer It's the 500cc championship, not 500 cc. If there is a guideline that says there is a space, I'd be happy to restore the spaces myself. Engr. Smitty Werben 02:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
This is a standard Wikipedia format for linewrapping AFAIK. I'll ask at the Motorcycle Project for clarity, rather than the Village Pump Technical - I think that's better venue, marginally.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 02:32, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Rocknrollmancer It won't line break because everything is connected (the 500, the cc, the slash, and the MotoGP). I connected them both to become "500cc", not just remove the non-breaking spaces and left it at "500 cc", so there shouldn't be any line breaks to worry about. 02:40, 18 November 2021 (UTC)Engr. Smitty Werben
To put it another way, my belief is that it is standard WP house style, and has been for several years that I have been doing it. Having established that, it would be strange for an individual to rail against it, IMO. Anyway, it needs an outside opinion.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 02:52, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Re:Number column

Hi, I am afraid I can't find a discussion; I have re-checked and found that numbers were removed by the well-experienced user:Cs-wolves back in July 2016 as being 'insignificant to the season'. As usual, it is impossible to communicate with those unstoppable disruptive Indonesian IPs and users, who will keep messing up with anything they wish (one day it's <sup>*</sup> vs {{asterisk}}, another day it's Present vs present, another day it's the numbers, ...). –Gpmat (talk) 09:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to Gpmat for the alert. I had removed the numbers boldly way back (more than five years ago as linked), as the majority of World Championship riders ride with the same number throughout their career. At that time if I remember correctly, it was a UK-based IP that was introducing these numbers, but this just seemed to be unnecessary trivia. If we utilise the examples of Formula One drivers (post-2014 with the permanent driver numbers), none of the drivers have their car numbers in the racing summary sections. Hope this helps. Craig(talk) 20:12, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

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Your edit summaries don't make sense to me; please engage at the relative Talk pages to explain why you think these minor race results satisfy notability (Talk:Jason Dupasquier and Talk:Dean Berta Viñales).

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21:57, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

22:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Category:20th-century African-American people

I saw that you added Category:20th-century African-American people to several pages that already are contained in Category:20th-century African-American women, which is a subcategory of the former. To me, this seems to be an error, but since you have much more experience than I have, I'm a little in doubt. One example is Louisa Matilda Jacobs. Courage ! --Rsk6400 (talk) 14:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Rsk6400 The women category is considered a non-diffusing subcategory of the people category and it is accepted to included both categories in an article, per what was said in the guideline I linked. WP:DUPCAT states that Subcategories defined by gender, ethnicity, religion, and sexuality should almost always be non-diffusing subcategories and there is no need to take pages out of the parent category purely because of their membership of a non-diffusing subcategory. Hope that clear things up. Engr. Smitty Werben 14:55, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, I learned something new, and although I'm approaching my 60th birthday, I still like to learn. --Rsk6400 (talk) 15:51, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

"Temetrius Jamel" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Hector Garzo

Hey, I added sources and references to Garzo, can you check if its okay? I don't want to delete the pinned warnings again, I wanted to wait until I did these sources today, but I may have accidentally deleted it yesterday, apologies again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrSplashman77 (talkcontribs) 12:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

22:04, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Defaultsort

Why are you removing DEFAULTSORT from pages? If the DEFAULTSORT coincides with the article title, it shows that an editor has considered the case and decided that this is not a standard western-style "Forename Surname" name but it sorts differently. This is useful information and will make it less likely that a later editor will "helpfully" add a wrong sort key on the false assumption that the second/last component is a western-style surname.

Unless you have some reason I have overlooked, please stop this action and revert your removals, which are not helpful to the encyclopedia. Ko Ko Maung was on my watch list, but I see you have done this to many other articles. PamD 08:16, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

PamD Template:DEFAULTSORT states that It is not necessary to use DEFAULTSORT at all if the article or page should be alphabetized according to its title (which is true for most articles). WP:DEFAULTSORT also states that It is possible to set a default sort key which is different from {{PAGENAME}} by using the magic word {{DEFAULTSORT}}: which could be interpreted that the only purpose of the DEFSORT template is to change the default sorting method. If an editor "helpfully" adds a wrong sort key, then it just shows that they haven't read the wiki guidelines. Also, there is already a note at the top of the page that says that "there is no family name" so if someone adds a defsort template, then it's obvious that that editor doesn't read the article or the guidelines.
I don't understand why am I unhelpful. Unhelpful to who? Incompetent editors? Adding a defaultsort isn't even shown in the output. It is like a cosmetic edit after all. Also, there are many, many, many, many biographical articles that do not use DEFSORT template. What should we do with that? Find every single one and add a DEFSORT template that is just the same with the article?
Categories that include names with eastern style naming order (Burmese, Malaysian, Cambodian, etc.) are on my watchlist and if anyone who "helpfully" adds a defsort template to an article, I or a more experienced editor could inform the editor the proper way. Engr. Smitty Werben 08:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Also, don' tell me that I'm being unhelpful because in fact, I was very helpful by correcting a huge number of articles with wrong sortation keys. If you check the Burmese, Cambodian, Filipino, and other nationality categories, they are now sorted in the correct order and correct way. Engr. Smitty Werben 08:36, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

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Nationality

I didn't remove Yao Ming's nationality as place of birth isn't given. So his nationality isn't clear for an infobox. I removed Peter June Simon nationality as place of birth is given. WP:INFONAT says "Generally, use of either should be avoided when the country to which the subject belongs can be inferred from the country of birth" from that, in these two cases, it's clear to me which to leave and which to remove, as it's either a duplication of info or not. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes covers all infoboxes. Sciencefish (talk) 14:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

@Sciencefish: It clearly says "Shanghai, China" at Yao Ming's article. Right below the "place of birth" line is the "nationality" line (which says Chinese). It would be a lot of work in implementing INFONAT as it has been a long-term practice on adding the nationality parameter in basketball biographies. I ping Bagumba for their thoughts. Engr. Smitty Werben 14:55, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm not entirely clear on the background of this thread. However, you're both invited to discuss at the recent thread Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Basketball#WP:INFONAT. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 15:11, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

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BdotAdot redirect to Brandon Armstrong

Hi. There is a redirect of BdotAdot to Brandon Armstrong created by yourself. The problem is, that Brandon Armstrong (born 1980) is not the right person and is therefore misleading. BdotAdot is actually Brandon Armstrong (born 1990) [56] [57], who doesn't have a Wikipedia page. Based on this info I have noted, would you consider self-nominating the redirect for deletion? WP:G7 might apply here. Thanks. DaHuzyBru (talk) 02:57, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. DaHuzyBru (talk) 04:28, 31 December 2021 (UTC)