User talk:Cognitivism
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I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 01:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC)- I've reviewed Faits et Documents and found it to be problematic. I've noted within the article places where there are facts stated without sources ("Citation needed"), and where the provided citations do not support the facts stated. For each "failed verification", if you hover over the link, it will show the reason I provided; in most cases you've cited statements or quotes, but the cited article did not verify the given statement or quote. I hope you can address these issues. If not, I might recommend that the article be moved back to the Draft space until it is more ready for publication. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
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Alain Kruger moved to draftspace
[edit]Thanks for your contributions to Alain Kruger. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because Looks notable, but too many unsourced paragraphs which are liable for deletion without a source. Please add sources to each section then move back to main.. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.
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Your article on Yael Mellul
[edit]Hi there, Cognitivism, and thank you for creating Yael Mellul. It looks to me as if you based the article on a translation of the French version. In order to avoid copyright problems you need to explain this in an edit summary in accordance with Help:Translation. It is preferable to add an explanation in the first edit comment when creating articles based on translations but in the case of Mellul you can simply add "this article is based on the French version" when you next edit the article. If you intend to create more biographies of women, you might like to join WikiProject Women in Red where we are trying to improve women's coverage on Wikipedia. You can sign up under "New registrations" on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/New members. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 09:57, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
I've just been looking at your other creations and see that you need to deal with translation in quite a few more. I've included a translation tag on the talk pages but you need to comment in edit summaries on the articles themselves.--Ipigott (talk) 10:37, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Laurent de Sutter moved to draftspace
[edit]Thanks for your contributions to Laurent de Sutter. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.
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September 2024
[edit]Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you translated text from one or more pages to another page. While you are welcome to translate Wikipedia content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing requires that you provide attribution to the contributor(s) of the original article. When translating from a foreign-language Wikipedia article, this is supplied at a minimum in an edit summary on the page where you add translated content, identifying it as a translation and linking it to the source page. Sample wording for this is given here. If you forgot, or were not aware of this requirement, attribution must be given retroactively, for example:
NOTE: Content in the edit of 01:25, January 25, 2023 was translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at [[:fr:Exact name of French article]]; see its history for attribution.
Retroactive attribution may be added using a dummy edit; see Repairing insufficient attribution. It is good practice, especially if translation is extensive, to also place a properly formatted {{translated page}} template on the talk page of the destination article. If you have added translated content previously which was not attributed at the time it was added, you must add attribution retrospectively, even if it was a long time ago. You can read more about author attribution and the reasons for it at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. Fram (talk) 15:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, i just did it right now for all the 30 pages i've created.Cognitivism (talk) 16:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Fram (talk) 16:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at My darling family. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.
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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Οἶδα (talk) 21:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons, as you did to Antoine Wauters. Thank you. Οἶδα (talk) 21:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Please stop adding unreferenced or poorly referenced biographical content, especially if controversial, to articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at Laura Vazquez. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Οἶδα (talk) 21:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- I agree My darling family was largely a mistake, i actually did not mean to restore it at any moment. Maybe a wrong clik. Regarding the two writers mentionned above i'm afraid i do not understand since they received the highest prizes in France and provide quite important sources. Cognitivism (talk) 22:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- but i guess you know it already since you mostly edit french articles, n'est ce pas ? Cognitivism (talk) 22:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Both articles contain content which is not sourced, but more importantly and immediately are the dates of birth without inline citations for verification. While there may be an article on French Wikipedia you wish to duplicate onto English Wikipedia, you cannot simply recreate them when they contain WP:BLP violations. If you cannot do so then I suggest you cede the duty of creating these translations to more responsible users who are more invested in the veracity and overall development of these articles. Because frankly, for the amount of articles you are creating in this short span of time it is simply impossible to do that yourself. Οἶδα (talk) 01:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- but i guess you know it already since you mostly edit french articles, n'est ce pas ? Cognitivism (talk) 22:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Please stop adding unreferenced or poorly referenced biographical content, especially if controversial, to articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at Michel Fédou, Maylis Besserie, Manuel Carcassonne, Lilia Hassaine, Nicolas Briançon, Caroline Monnot, Abel Mestre, Krisztina Rády and Ambre Chalumeau. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Οἶδα (talk) 19:17, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your concern, can you explain what could possibly be defamatory inthe content of the articles above, that are exact translations of the french versions ? Cognitivism (talk) 03:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- You created 11 biographical articles in only 11 hours, nine of which I can immediately notice violate BLP standards as they lack inline citations for dates of birth and birthplace, among many many other unsourced material. You are irresponnsible and out of control. I advise you slow down or cease article creation altogether if you cannot remedy this. I will otherwise have to open a wider discussion about you at the administrator noticeboard. Οἶδα (talk) 04:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I understand. I just added serious references regarding the birth date that did not actually appear on the french version. I'm still looking for Michel Fédou, Maylis Besserie and Lilia Hassaine's, who seem to make an effort not to tell it. could you give more examples of errors of lack of information i need to complete ? thanks in advance. Cognitivism (talk) 05:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- As already suggested by Alalch E. below, when translating and publishing include only content that has a citation and is actually supported by the citation. A much shorter stub article is preferable to a full translation from frwiki. It at least does not demand a lot of immediate work from other editors. Remember that you are responsible for the content you add to Wikipedia. You are not given a free license to translate any article then call it day. Either fix the article on frwiki then translate, or you will NEED to invest the time to actually research your subjects and reliably source each piece of information. For example, at Krisztina Rády the biography section is completely unsourced except for one sentence. Οἶδα (talk) 05:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Οἶδα: When you write Either fix the article on frwiki then translate, or you will NEED to invest the time to actually research..., I assume you are referring to the curious fact that Cognitivism has never edited fr.wp. What you may not know is that under different pseudos, they're one of the more famous fr.wp Guignol morality-play marionettista (see their SPI archive). The person behind the account seems to have varying goals, ranging from an interest in French journalism, cinema, and art to unabashed self-promotion, with a keen side interest in highlighting controversy sections in the BLP of people whom they may or may not appreciate. Take François Rastier for example. Recently our good Albion removed a host of info on his field of research that they had originally added without the reference given on fr.wp when they created the entry (perhaps because they saw that the fr.wp copy was in fact lifted directly from a(n auto-)biography page on Rastier). Rather than expanding the section on why Rastier is notable (for example from his "universalis" entry which is the source for some of the material he cut), they cut the BLP down so that now the bulk of it pertains not to Rastier's academic notability but to his more controversial recent political agitation (insert "old-guy-shouting-at-media-cloud" image here).
- In short, if you do decide to bring this to AN, you might mention that the backlog at SPI is part of the reason that this frenzied activity you note has been allowed to continue...-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 08:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've undone my corrections on François Rastier's page figuring they might have been unsourced, but i think it's fair to leave the informations on his research program which i have studied for a long time now. Cognitivism (talk) 08:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- ...et voilà. Je ne te savais pas aussi sournois, vil petit galopin. Οἶδα (talk) 08:58, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I suspected I was engaging with a madman when I first noticed the depths of your SPI entry, and their lack of engagement both there and in the discussion I started below. I figured I would try to give them the benefit of the doubt but how fatuous of me to even provide this space for extra duplicity. Οἶδα (talk) 08:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've undone my corrections on François Rastier's page figuring they might have been unsourced, but i think it's fair to leave the informations on his research program which i have studied for a long time now. Cognitivism (talk) 08:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, that's fine with me, i started to erase most part when citation needed was apposed and didn't not seemed to be problem on the french version. I'll do it more drasticly from now on for all of them. Cognitivism (talk) 05:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, but the articles you create on English Wikipedia must still pass WP:GNG and the various subject-specific notability guidelines (WP:SNG) by precisely demonstrating as such. If a truncated stub article does not pass the standards outlined at those pages, it should not be created. Οἶδα (talk) 06:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'va corrected almost 120 pages from the unsourced material. I hope that improves what i've been asked for. Cognitivism (talk) 08:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, but the articles you create on English Wikipedia must still pass WP:GNG and the various subject-specific notability guidelines (WP:SNG) by precisely demonstrating as such. If a truncated stub article does not pass the standards outlined at those pages, it should not be created. Οἶδα (talk) 06:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- As already suggested by Alalch E. below, when translating and publishing include only content that has a citation and is actually supported by the citation. A much shorter stub article is preferable to a full translation from frwiki. It at least does not demand a lot of immediate work from other editors. Remember that you are responsible for the content you add to Wikipedia. You are not given a free license to translate any article then call it day. Either fix the article on frwiki then translate, or you will NEED to invest the time to actually research your subjects and reliably source each piece of information. For example, at Krisztina Rády the biography section is completely unsourced except for one sentence. Οἶδα (talk) 05:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I understand. I just added serious references regarding the birth date that did not actually appear on the french version. I'm still looking for Michel Fédou, Maylis Besserie and Lilia Hassaine's, who seem to make an effort not to tell it. could you give more examples of errors of lack of information i need to complete ? thanks in advance. Cognitivism (talk) 05:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- You created 11 biographical articles in only 11 hours, nine of which I can immediately notice violate BLP standards as they lack inline citations for dates of birth and birthplace, among many many other unsourced material. You are irresponnsible and out of control. I advise you slow down or cease article creation altogether if you cannot remedy this. I will otherwise have to open a wider discussion about you at the administrator noticeboard. Οἶδα (talk) 04:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit(s) you made to List of foreign electoral interventions, did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Snowman304|talk 10:44, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your message, i will not do it again. Cognitivism (talk) 10:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Date of birth
[edit]Please read WP:DOB. A date of birth for a living person must cite a reliable source. Schazjmd (talk) 16:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I understand, thank you. Cognitivism (talk) 17:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Authority
[edit]Hello. The |qid=
parameter is for specifying the Wikidata qid of that person. You were using Q2406524 for everyone, but this is Arnaud Viviant (Q2406524) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much !! Cognitivism (talk) 17:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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Translation from French Wikipedia
[edit]Hi Cognitivism, if you tranlate a page from another wikipedia, it is necessary for copyright attributioin purposes to say so either in an edit summary or using the translated page template (Template:Translated page). Please see WP:TFOLWP. Thank you Josey Wales Parley 07:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for reminding, i'll do it straight away.Cognitivism (talk) 07:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- DoneCognitivism (talk) 07:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Cognitivism, I trust you're doing well. I see on Elisabeth Ventura that you did not correctly do the attribution, please check the format of the edit summary I used,
This article contains content translated from the Wikipedia article at fr:Elisabeth Ventura; see its history for attribution.
. It is also a best practice to put {{Translated page}} with all the necessary parameters in the talk page of the article. Happy editing, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC) - I have also noticed that the format you're using for all your translations is not exactly correct. You should be linking the page on the other language Wikipedia with the necessary interwiki link, just as I pointed out above. I will join you to go through your created pages and do the correct attribution format. Please also go through them by yourself and make sure you link (using interwiki link ("fr" in this case)) to the page on the frwiki article. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, i understand and will do it for all of them with the mention of the exact redirection.Cognitivism (talk) 09:55, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging @Joseywales1961 to note that, per WP:TFOLWP, the edit summary should not just tell us where it's from but link, using interlanguage links, to the exact wiki and page. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Joseywales1961 And that you can actually enable User:Vanderwaalforces/checkTranslationAttribution, a script that could help spot issues like this and tell us if the translated page has been correctly attributed, and User:CFA/scripts/attributetranslation, a script that can aid the attribution process seamlessly, in case you have not installed it. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Vanderwaalforces, I just saw those on the talk page of NPP Reviewers and installed it - looks handy, well done you and CFA. Josey Wales Parley 18:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, i understand and will do it for all of them with the mention of the exact redirection.Cognitivism (talk) 09:55, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Cognitivism, I trust you're doing well. I see on Elisabeth Ventura that you did not correctly do the attribution, please check the format of the edit summary I used,
- DoneCognitivism (talk) 07:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
I have sent you a note about a page you started
[edit]Hi Cognitivism. Thank you for your work on Sonia Devillers. Another editor, Cocobb8, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:
Thank you for the citations!
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Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 18:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
A barnstar for you
[edit]French Barnstar of National Merit | |
For translating some 65 articles from the French Wikipedia since the beginning of September. Your output is outstanding. Congratulations!! ♦ Ipigott (talk) 09:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC) |
- I'm honored, almost emotionnal. :) Cognitivism (talk) 12:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Your article Dominique Vidal (historian)
[edit]Welcome, and thank you for contributing the page Dominique Vidal (historian) to Wikipedia. While you have added the page to the English version of Wikipedia, the article is not in English. We invite you to translate it into English. It has been listed at Pages needing translation into English, but if it is not translated within two weeks, the article will be listed for deletion. Thank you. Snowman304|talk 22:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the advice, i had missed a few parts, and corrected them. Cognitivism (talk) 22:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi again
[edit]Welcome back to en.wp Albion! Feel free to speak up in this SPI concerning you if you are so inclined. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 19:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Lady K (graffiti) moved to draftspace
[edit]Thanks for your contributions to Lady K (graffiti). Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it is promotional and reads like an advertisement. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.
Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 02:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
I have sent you a note about a page you started
[edit]Hi Cognitivism. Thank you for your work on Anne Depétrini. Another editor, Alalch E., has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:
This is quite good but make sure that everything is supported by a citation. Currently it isn't. Thank you for the article and have a nice evening.
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- Thank you very much for reminding, i just added them. Cognitivism (talk) 16:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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Lycée Blaise Pascal (Clermont-Ferrand) moved to draftspace
[edit]Thanks for your contributions to Lycée Blaise Pascal (Clermont-Ferrand). Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources and it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.
Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 09:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, i understand, i missed the former creation of the page already erased. Cognitivism (talk) 09:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
My darling family moved to draftspace
[edit]An article you recently created, My darling family, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:
" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Dan arndt (talk) 16:04, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, i added three references just now, but i understand, i thought this movie was already more advanced. Cognitivism (talk) 16:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
The quality of your articles
[edit]Thank you for your interest in building Wikipedia, Cognitivism. However, the quality of your articles is worrying to say the least. Perhaps you should leave the task for other editors who are more interested in fleshing out full independent articles based on material in French instead of producing exact duplicates from French Wikipedia ? Because you spam out these substandard and problematic articles in rapid succession then immediately move onto the next translation. It's rather unbecoming of Wiki's standards. It gives the impression you just want to make new articles for the sake of it. You have so far created 133 article in a mere 20 days. I will also point out you just bypassed a move to draftspace and recreated an article (at My darling family), another worrying disregard for Wiki's standards.
Pinging just some of the editors who have dealt with your editing: Dan arndt BoyTheKingCanDance WikiDan61 MaxnaCarta Ipigott Vanderwaalforces Fram Schazjmd MSGJ Joseywales1961 Snowman304 Miminity Alalch E.. Given this continuous behavior, I would perhaps suggest all of their articles are more appropriately begun in the draftspace. This flavor of editing should certainly not encouraged. I will also note this user is the subject of a sockpuppet investigation (see above). Οἶδα (talk) 17:41, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree - having a basic article (with room for improvement) is much better than not having an article at all — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- MSGJ: I'm sorry to see all these articles have been deleted as a result of sockpuppetry. I carefully checked the quality of translation of many of the earlier articles and found it to be far higher than average. I agree however that many of the more recent translations lack the sourcing necessary for BLPs as a result of the corresponding lack of sourcing on the French articles. It looks as if all the drafts have been deleted too. For some reason, I constantly seem to be involved with this type of problem.--Ipigott (talk) 08:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- If there are any articles that you would like to take responsibility for, I am willing to restore those — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:39, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @MSGJ: There are still copyright problems with them due to the articles being translated without attribution -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 15:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- I am discovering so many accounts and IPs, both new and old, that I suspect are more sockpuppets of Albion here on enwiki. It's perturbing. A responsible editor would be needed to recreate the articles translated by Cognitivism. Because purging all their page creations is well worth any collateral damage in my opinion. The archives here[1] and at frwiki[2] are exhausting. This user is egregious. Οἶδα (talk) 19:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @MSGJ: There are still copyright problems with them due to the articles being translated without attribution -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 15:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- If there are any articles that you would like to take responsibility for, I am willing to restore those — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:39, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- MSGJ: I'm sorry to see all these articles have been deleted as a result of sockpuppetry. I carefully checked the quality of translation of many of the earlier articles and found it to be far higher than average. I agree however that many of the more recent translations lack the sourcing necessary for BLPs as a result of the corresponding lack of sourcing on the French articles. It looks as if all the drafts have been deleted too. For some reason, I constantly seem to be involved with this type of problem.--Ipigott (talk) 08:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @MSGJ: Given the number of Cognitivism's articles that have been moved to draftspace, I would argue that the community does not agree with your assessment. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Basic article would mean: 1. Check topic's notability against enwiki standards, 2. Check frwiki article content against frwiki article sources, 3. When translating and publishing include only content that has a citation and is actually supported by the citation, leaving probably a short article, probably usually much shorter than the frwiki article, perhaps a stub, i.e. creating a basic article, that is a fine starting point and does not demand a lot of immediate work from other editors. Under that understanding of "basic article" I would agree that having such a basic article is better than no article. But this can not be accomplished at the rate of 133 articles in 20 days. —Alalch E. 17:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- As Alalch E. alluded to, it is incumbent upon the editor to craft an article which is researched from top to bottom. It is not my understanding that we accept and encourage users to spawn rote replications of articles from other wikis with the task of vetting its accuracy being left to some other user (assuming that user ever comes along). Further, they are being spawned in a manner and pace which totally precludes the type of responsible examination which is expected of everyone contributing to the Wiki project. Just looking at two articles they have created since this posting, Maud Le Pladec and Chanson sur ma drôle de vie, you should immediately recognise the weaknesses, the most unacceptable of which is the lack of sources appended to information. That is enough for me to consider this user's efforts to be only ready for the mainspace after it has been reviewed and processed by a more responsible editor. Because that is manifestly not Cognitivism's motivation here. Οἶδα (talk) 20:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Here’s my take: If an article wouldn’t meet the standards for a DYK nomination, I don’t publish it. The DYK criteria serve as basic editorial guidelines to ensure verifiability, notability, and minimum quality. While I don't impose these standards on others—it’s not my role—I strongly disagree with publishing articles that lack proper references and don’t show clear notability and quality on an initial read. Every published article should at least be a short paragraph (though sometimes a single sentence works) with one or two solid references and no errors. There’s no need to rush to publish, and I’m concerned about the number of low-quality articles this editor has been pushing to mainspace. — MaxnaCarta ( 💬 • 📝 ) 10:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Of course it's nice if a new article is fully sourced and meets all of our MOS guidelines. But there is no policy on Wikipedia requiring this — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:13, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- There are policies requiring verification and repeated BLP violations will result in a ban. You of course know this. They created 11 articles in just the last 11 hours. Virtually all of which contain unsourced DOBs, among many many other unsourced material. Οἶδα (talk) 19:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Of course it's nice if a new article is fully sourced and meets all of our MOS guidelines. But there is no policy on Wikipedia requiring this — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:13, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Οἶδα I've just noticed that this editor has published over 130 articles in less than three weeks—that's about 40 articles a week or an average of more than 6 per day. In my opinion, this pace is far too fast for proper review. I would strongly encourage the editor to slow down. — MaxnaCarta ( 💬 • 📝 ) 10:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- The article made so much articles all of them are either poorly sources which includes the sources being bare url. Imo, this editor should slow down a bit. It sacrifice quality for quantity. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I myself refuse to publish articles that is poorly sourced Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- While I was not pinged, I just had to draftify Draft:Ça ne tient pas debout. At the state it was, it would not pass Wikipedia:NMUSIC and it popped on too many maintenance categories. I totally agree with the OP, copy-pasting articles without bothering to make them at least borderline presentable is a net-negative. It would be better to start on draft space and move the article when it is ready. Muhandes (talk) 12:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Ça ne tient pas debout moved to draftspace
[edit]An article you recently created, Ça ne tient pas debout, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:
" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Muhandes (talk) 12:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Administrators' noticeboard discussion about you
[edit]There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Οἶδα (talk) 21:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Blocked as a sockpuppet
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