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Re: True Tears

I would just recommend to make it as close as possible to how Air (visual novel) is now, since that's the most recent VN GA that has passed, and was one of the more rigorous too I might add. Also, you may need to argue the inclusion of the logo in the infobox. Other things to consider are things such as the red links. At WP:REDLINK it advises to create red links for articles likely to be made in the future, and the thing that pops out at me are how the red-linked people in the article probably won't get articles due to WP:BIO and WP:N concerns, so it'd probably be better to delink them. Also, I urge you to create articles for Comi Digi and GameCrab (if you intend this one to get an article, otherwise delink it); but definitely the magazine. The reception section is pretty sparse as well, and I can definitely see that coming up at GAN. I've been able to argue in the past that Japanese VN's don't get much coverage from reliable English sources, and there's hardly any good Japanese reviews to find that aren't in magazines that are largely inaccessible to us. But I don't think that's going to be working as well now, if Air's GAN was any indication. Bear in mind that I have been reminded in the past that not all articles on Wikipedia are able to get up to GA for lack of sources or other important information in the article, but I think True Tears has a shot at it. Try to get any more sources you can too, and maybe ask for a copyedit from an uninvolved editor.--十八 07:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

My bad; I had no idea Comi Digi was just a previous incarnation of Comi Digi +; I was under the impression that Comi Digi + was a special edition version of Comi Digi. It turns out the magazine was originally published under a different name, and it was changed three times until it came to the current title, which I've found is not entirely uncommon. In this case, Comi Digi should just redirect to Comi Digi +; I'll do this, and add a note on the history at Comi Digi +.--十八 07:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Japanese publications are truly that confusing. Anyways, I've removed most of the redlinks, leaving only GameCrab which I will create in a moment. Also I am wondering if you think that the Plot and characters section would need any reference, since I can see that being a problem if one brings it up. -- クラウド６６８ 08:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, it was brought up at the Air GAN, but I have argued in the past about plot and character info don't generally need cites, but {{cite video game}} will probably be recommended. If not that, citing the official character profiles helps I've found.--十八 08:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I've started adding in references to the individual character profile pages, but seeing that it took up quite a percentage in the list of references below, I am wondering if you think I should just link to the main characters page. On the other hand I still am not able to find any reviews and such (and I don't think I'll be staying long enough for the PS2 version be out and grab a copy of Famitsu for its review, if it's gonna get reviewed). -- クラウド６６８ 09:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, technically the main character listing is just a portal to go the other characters, and people who do not know these characters' faces won't be able to pick which of the characters they are trying to find info on if given just the portal link. Granted, the character image in the article does well for the five heroines, but what about the other six characters? Even if all the characters have romanizations of their names on their own character page, getting there should not be a guess-and-check issue for people who want ref confirmation. And what do you mean, that you're not going to be editing Wiki come 2 months from now?--十八 10:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Nah, but more like, I doubt I'd be able to find a "professional" review if I miss that Famitsu issue. Speaking of reviews, I've found one after doing a google search, but looking at Air's GAN, it's probably gonna be crapped at.

On the other hand, I've asked _dk for help on copyediting, seeing that he's one of the more dedicated editors in WP:VN, and will probably be more familiar with visual novel articles. -- クラウド６６８ 10:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Now I figured out what you mean, by staying long enough, I mean that I am going to Japan in a few weeks, lingering at Akiba and shopping for games, anime and manga (I might as well finally know if True Tears has ended if I pick up that bound volume).-- クラウド６６８ 10:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, so that's what you meant; have fun in Japan. : ) As for True Tears, I think the manga cover would be better since it's directly related to the game, and the anime is only related through it's name so it's not really an accurate depiction of what an adaptation is.--十八 10:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: 5 (visual novel)

If you think you can write enough to warrant a splitting, then I'd say go for it. Otherwise, the reason the section was originally combined is because there was very little information about the plot or characters.--十八 22:31, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I think I am gonna go against that idea and instead just write a few sentences about them after their names are mentioned. Since as always, I have trouble writing about the protagonist. -- クラウド６６８ 03:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Suika (visual novel)

Thank you for taking the time and building it up somewhat. I'm going to be helping out on that one as well. Also, I have plans to build up D.C.: Da Capo and reformat D.C. II: Da Capo II if you're interested in helping. The latter will be comparatively easier since most of the hard stuff has already been included.--十八 22:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (July 2008)

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Re: Dengeki G's Magazine

I see from the magazine archive that you have procured the August 2008 issue of Dengeki G's Magazine. I have a question: Did the Little Busters! 4-koma end with that issue, or is it still ongoing?--十八 00:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

It's still ongoing, seeing it says "To be continued on the September issue". As a side note, this chapter featured only Sasami and the three girls from the softball team. -- クラウド６６８ 02:08, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. Since the second volume comes out this month, I was kind of wondering if it'd be the last, but I guess it'll be going for another year at least.--十八 05:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I highly doubt they'll end it that quick, as getting more of those yon-koma out will earn them more bucks. -- クラウド６６８ 06:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

My rationale was that Ecstasy is going to be out in another two weeks, and after that LB! will slowly lose steam while Key switches over to Rewrite, but as long as the 4-koma is popular I guess it's cool. Still, the manga was initially used to promote the game a year and a half before its release, and if it goes on for another year, it sort of loses that purpose. But hell, I guess the same could be said for the over-three-year and six-volume running first Clannad manga.--十八 23:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

True, but since Rewrite is still early in development, I think it's still gonna go a bit further, possibly enough for a third volume. -- クラウド６６８ 04:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: G Senjō no Maō

Hello once again. I thought one of us would create this article, so I guess it was me. I do know that the gameplay entails more than just ラブラブ and that I've seen comparisons to Death Note in its mystery-solving aspect and setup, but since I have never played the game, or demos, I don't know anything about it. I thought you may know something or would be able to find out something in the future.--十八 07:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, since I did not play the game too, I will need to first try it out before I can help. -- クラウド６６８ 14:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

New resource

Going to Chaos;Head, I noticed in the reception section using the website http://www.pc-press.net/salesrog.html and http://www.pc-press.net/reservation.html for sales and reservation ranking for PC games nationally in Japan. Did you know of this website before? In any case, I think it could definitely replace the PC News rankings we've used in the past. It's been active since May 2007, so except for the two month gap between the end of PC News and the start of this PCpress, this looks really good for future visual novel articles.

Also, here's the first top 5 game sales per system worldwide sold on Amazon.com for June 2007. You can use the Google search feature at the top to find the others.--十八 08:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Damn, I didn't even know that existed, thanks. Though however, I think it only lists the rankings of the last 12 months, since it on the top there's only buttons for the latest ranking, and one for the past rankings.

Also, this is quite an coincidence, as I've found this website known as Geimin.net while trying to find a site that lists Famitsu review scores (for the sake of True Tears later), which offers sales ranking for console games which goes for as far as 500 places, which could be useful for console-ported titles. -- クラウド６６８ 13:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the last 12 months bit is just a coincidence, since it says the first issue was the June 2007 issue. And nice finding that Famitsu scores site. Hopefully I'll be using it when Little Busters! gets ported.--十八 22:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

It also has information on how well the games sells (in the exact amount), if it gets listed as one of the top 500 sold games anyways. -- クラウド６６８ 03:41, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

That's great if eroge to console ports can get over 20,000 units sold in less than one year (unless it came out on January 1), something I wouldn't expect to happen unless it was insanely popular. I'm just saying that we'll probably not really need to worry about that feature of the website.--十八 10:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

True, compared to games of other genres, visual novels really don't stands that much, unfortunately, but still it's not to be ignored. A quick scan on the 2006 yearly sales chart shows Clannad (visual novel) (41,722 units, though that's to be expected), Shakugan no Shana (21,213 units), and Memories Off: Sorekara Again (19,188 units) all for the PS2, made it on the chart, with Fate/stay night[Réalta Nua] selling 184,558 units the following year (Unexpected to me). (I just hope that they'll have something similar to that for PC games) -- クラウド６６８ 11:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not particularly surprised; to tell the truth, when I wrote that "unless it was insanely popular" above, I was going to put down Realta Nua, but didn't in the end. Still, thanks for pointing out the Clannad ranking (goes to add it). However, there seems to be a discrepincy, as Famitsu said Clannad sold over 41,000 units, but Media Create says it only sold over 38,000...--十八 01:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I am worried about, two different sources giving two reports. By the way, do you know of anywhere, where I can find weekly Famitsu review scores or so, since it'll be much help if you do so I can probably add in the score for True Tears, if it get reviewed anyways. -- クラウド６６８ 03:42, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

This website, which is linked at WP:VN#Resources, used to give weekly scores, but it seems to haven't been updated since last November (which is news to me)...I'll try to find another site. Then again, wouldn't the Famitsu website have it?--十八 05:33, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the Famitsu website posts up the review scores, if it does then my web browsing skills has deteriorated. There's probably some other sites, but I am not able to find any as of yet, if not I'll probably try to shell up some money for a subscription. -- クラウド６６８ 10:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Running episodes

No, it shouldn't be done since it changes on a weekly basis, and it's a pain to have to update that. Plus, if it doesn't get updated, then that's a problem for keeping an article up to date. I've only ever seen it used on series that don't have an established number of episodes like Naruto. Basically, it shouldn't be used, and the majority of articles do not do it.--十八 03:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured out it's probably shouldn't be used since barely any article uses it. Thanks for pointing it out. -- クラウド６６８ 03:39, 22 July 2008 (UTC)