User talk:Celestina007/Archives/2021/July

A barnstar for you and best wishes for a speedy recovery

		The Winnowing Fan Barnstar
		For you efforts separating Wikipedia's "wheat" from the "chaff", and for all the good work you do here. I was sorry to hear you are unwell, and send my best wishes for a speedy recovery. We need more editors with your courage and integrity. I hope that you feel better soon and 100% of your energy returns. Blessings to you. Netherzone (talk) 00:29, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone, thanks for the show of love, I really do appreciate it. Celestina007 (talk) 08:04, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

July 2020

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.— Mikehawk10 (talk) 04:00, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Ifie Sekibo Listing.

Hello @Celestine, In respect to the above. We have met all the requirement for the listing and we still do not understand why it is being delayed. Can you help us look at it again. Ajose Sehindemi (talk) 09:29, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ajose Sehindemi, first off, what do you mean by “we”? on this collaborative project policy mandates a user to operate only one account except for reasons covered under WP:LEGITSOCK, secondly excuse you? what requirements do you make reference to? could you be more specific? Thirdly have you read WP:COI? Observing your account closely this appears to be the only edit you have ever made via this account so could you please go back to your other account and make edits from there? See WP:SOCKPUPPETRY whilst you are at it. Celestina007 (talk) 15:30, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi. I apologise for misleading the conversation. The 'We' is a wrong language usage. This is my only account as you have noticed. I have gone through the COI and this is not it. Requirement mentioned is that the profile reference has been provided. I will work on contributing actively in the community, been on a sleeper mode. Ajose Sehindemi (talk) 13:53, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

I’m sorry but this is an improbable explanation. However, I can’t be bothered about this right now. Celestina007 (talk) 16:59, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for contributing Wikipedia

	A cute little diamond
	I am sorry I couldn't find anything more worthy of you but your contributions to Wikipedia cannot be symbolized even with jewellery. V. E. (talk) 17:42, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Visnelma, thanks I appreciate your support. Celestina007 (talk) 17:45, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

February Draft

Hello, I hope you are well, on 14 February 2021 you moved an article I had created titled Mudiwa Hood of a musical artist from Zimbabwe, with notability concerns. I made minor improvements then that were declined because I hadnt worked on the article in much, I added more references thinking that was the issue and only to be corrected further.

I have done more work and I thought I should notifying you since you are the editor who first noticed the errors that I corrected.

Accompanied by your notes and with suggestions by other editors, i worked on getting rid of WP:CITEKILL, I then added information about the artist's discography and more info to the fact that Mudiwa Hood meets WP:NMUSIC standards as a prominent artist then also removed other less important citations to ensure there is no WP:BOMBARD. So i think the Draft:Mudiwa Hood article is better and cleaner now than before. I hope it can be moved back to mainspace. Kind regards Zvandofarira2 (talk) 19:09, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

I’m sorry Im very unwell and may not be available here for the foreseeable future to attend to any Wikipedia related activities, I’m unsure when I’d return perhaps sometime in August, I’m extremely sorry I may not be available to respond nor attend or be of assistance to you at the moment Celestina007 (talk) 21:17, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Im still unsure of many things, I’m back temporarily, allow me sometime to look into your query and I’d get back to you. Celestina007 (talk) 02:54, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Aaaaaw get well soon, I hope you will be fit. Meanwhile, although there is no hurry, I may ask other reviewers to look into it so that if there is more that needs to be done it will be further improved then by the time you get back am sure it will be even better then you can thoroughly scrutinise everything according to standard.Cheers Zvandofarira2 (talk) 04:10, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Zvandofarira2, I’m going to take a second look now, remain calm, I see here that you approached John B123 I understand I was unwell at the time and I perfectly understand why you pinged John but please next time after submitting an article your work is finished and the onus is on the community to handle the rest. Asking the WP:OTHERPARENT/forum shopping comes off as hasty and may irate editors who work in AFC. I see now that both LJF2019 and Timtrent have looked into this draft in the past. Please don’t ping anyone again about this draft I shall take a look now and give you a feedback. Celestina007 (talk) 17:09, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

abdullah sulaiman al rajhi

i've created this draft for a famous businessman that Makes noticeable on Google but you disapproved the article For an unconvincing reason and I added more references that more authority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Abdullah_Sulaiman_Al_Rajhi — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedX8 (talk • contribs) 10:59, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@RedX8, Sorry for the late response. Okay that’s rather rude and unfair to me seeing as I proffered a clear rationale for declining the article. In any case, I have now rejected the article. If you have further questions you may ask me or seek other opinions at the TEAHOUSE. Lest I forget, most editors confuse fame and notability, I do not doubt that they are famous, but notability is what we seek. Celestina007 (talk) 18:17, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your reply But what you didn't notice is that the character is not only famous, but that she is distinguished in her field of work RedX8 (talk) 00:16, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@RedX8, “i've created this draft for a famous businessman” were your words verbatim, I’m merely correcting that thought process by reminding you that fame and notability aren't synonymous in this collaborative project. Celestina007 (talk) 00:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Abdullah Sulaiman Al Rajhi

How can a page of an influential figure in the field of money exchange in the Arab world be unwanted on Wikipedia on the pretext that it is not neutral Although it does not contain any glorification of the person, only the tasks and functions that are included in it throughout his career with some activities on the human and social level. I do not know where the error is. Will you allow me some time and tell me where the error lies? Is there a paragraph or a title that is not natural? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Sulaiman_Al_Rajhi — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedX8 (talk • contribs) 20:24, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@RedX8, you have declared a COI thus the article must pass through AFC, please do not try to circumvent the AFC process as you have done in the past. If you continue such behavior you may be blocked from editing here as WP:SPA promo or WP:NOTHERE. Celestina007 (talk) 20:42, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I apologize first of all Then, I found no evidence of a conflict of interest in the article Like what I told you, the article contains information spread on the Internet, and this does not mean that I am close to the person at all Just a character who takes great interest with his family in the Arab world

There isn’t any need for apologizing to me. A COI exists between an editor and their subject not that an article itself is a COI. What has been said to you is, do not attempt to circumvent the AFC process. Furthermore in your userpage you clearly indicate that you have a conflict of interest with the article's subject thus the need to pass it through WP:AFC. Celestina007 (talk) 22:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Archiving

Hi Celestina007 - the main reason for archiving is not for finding sources, but rather preserving them as a means to deal with linkrot. Have a look at this when you have some time: Help:Archiving_a_source. The most common mechanism for archiving is explained here: WP:WAYBACK. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 04:34, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Goldsztajn, whoossshh! I’d take a look at it as soon as I’m done with my basketball training. Thanks for the assistance thus far Gold. Celestina007 (talk) 06:27, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Celestina,

A while back you suggested that I return to a draft that I started. I did and the page was approved. Thank you for that.Filmman3000 (talk) 04:31, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Filmman3000, I’m super excited for you and I’m happy you are happy. Have a blessed Sunday. Celestina007 (talk) 10:10, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

One last thing I noticed you have an Archive thing on the side of your page how do I do it.Filmman3000 (talk) 19:26, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Filmman3000, it’s super easy, just add {{subst:User:ClueBot III/JustArchiveThis}} to the top of your talk page and the bot would do the rest for you. Celestina007 (talk) 19:32, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Another question I have for the talk page of an article do I do the same? Thank you.Filmman3000 (talk) 22:17, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Filmman3000, see WP:AATP. Celestina007 (talk) 22:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

SER Group

Mind checking this please? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:05, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, very regaling, as its not even an ADMASQ(as there were no efforts to even make it look like an article) it is “promotionalism” (in the famous words of DGG), The article is worthy of a G11 speedy deletion in my opinion and needless to say, the conflict of interest there is very much overt. Celestina007 (talk) 13:58, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

One more thing, I learnt from my teacher Barkeep49 at NPP academy, and I’d like to teach you also is; even if an article is notable, if it is irredeemably promotional it still qualifies to be G11 speedy deleted Celestina007 (talk) 14:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Celestina007. I had already speedy it successfully and it came back in no time. Hence, decided for AFD. What got me angry was the attitude of the creator. Please see if any action should be taken for them for recreating promotional article again and again with which they have a clear COI/UPE connection. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:08, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Another question, does me tagging you for this and you commenting count as canvassing? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:08, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, hmmmm a good question, there are different school of thoughts about this, but my answer would be both “yes” and “no”, “Yes” because you know my overt disdain about UPE, knew I’d invariably check out the article and see the AFD and knew if I saw it had been nominated for deletion that i would definitely !vote in a particular manner. Then on the other hand, “No” because your post was for me to check out the article itself and in no way did you expressly mention anything related to the AFD to me. A complex response but that’s my answer to that, a master mind chess move on your part, my response is my philosophical stance on this another person may interpret it as subtle canvassing. Celestina007 (talk) 14:23, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

A mastermind chess move! Lol no! Honestly, my intention was to bring it to your notice so that you could probably deal with the page and user (to prevent them from further vandalising). Getting your comment at AFD was a complete bonus! I agree with you on the Yes/No situation here. This has happened to me once when someone tagged me to check a page which was nominated at AFD. Rather than saying Delete or Keep, I simply wrote a comment explaining my stance and analysing the page, making room for others to benefit from my analysis and write clearer comments (maybe this was a mastermind chess move) Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

A WP:NANE case?

Check [1]. Their suggestion to not edit a page before an NPR has checked the page raise doubts. A new editor with first edit on 11 July suggesting this is peculiar. Me moving a page to draft while I am not an NPR is debatable. However, I have been told that it's perfectly alright for non-NPR users to move to drafts as long as they know the guidelines. The subject is notable and they have properly sourced all information and moved to mainspace - which works fine for me and I would have easily moved on if I wouldn't have seen them offering this wisdom. Other signs are creating a large draft in one go and no other significant areas of contribution. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 15:03, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, I would, but later on, currently I’m heavily multi tasking, but my advise would be for you to add them to your watchlist but don’t be too fixated on them. If they err take them to the appropriate venues such as WP:SPI, WP:COIN, WP:ANI and other relevant boards. Celestina007 (talk) 15:31, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

ANI mention

Hi Celestina - hope you are well. For info, and incase you didn't get the ping, I mentioned you in this thread with regards to the aricle patrolling you have done in relation to articles I've created. I'd be grateful for your input. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

What do we do with pages submitted by anonymous IP addresses

That too of a business? Such as Draft:Toppr. Likelihood of COI is obviously high. Can we drop notices about COI to IP addresses? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:18, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, you indeed can leave messages for IP's, but IP's move around, so what you want to do is monitor the article itself. If the article is submitted by AFC and meets our notability threshold the onus is on the reviewing editor on what the next course of action should be or (ought to be) for example, some editors like myself would not accept it until a formal COI is declared whereas some editors more liberal than myself would accept it and may or may not leave a tag on the article that indicates a possible COI is present. Celestina007 (talk) 17:15, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Rapper T.E.C.

Hello Celestina007 You put a recent article up for deletion, i included multiple reputable websites in sources, even court documents. He is a known rapper with millions in sells etc throughout his career and distributed by a major billion dollar company. Is there anything else i need to do or add to correct the issues you see

I’m sorry this has been left unanswered for a while, Please see WP:SIGN for future discussions I am unable to tell to whom I’m responding to, but if you are reading this, biographical articles on musicians are relatively easy to patrol, I’m not sure what the problem was with this particular article, but if memory serves me right, it was either too promotional or met one of the criteria in WP:A7. In the absence of any form of WP:COI, if present, please read WP:COIDISCLOSE and indicate as directed there after which you then proceed to internalizing both WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO After which you try and read both WP:RS and WP:NPOV if convinced all is in order, then I believe you can recreate the article. I think that solves the problem. I’m here to answer more questions (if any). Celestina007 (talk) 16:17, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

FYI

Hey Celestina,

On an FYI regarding Wikipedia:Teahouse#Questions_about_notability_for_article, Prospero came to the IRC help channel asking why the article had been declined. When I asked about connections, they said there wasn't one, they have never been a customer of MPB nor an employee of theirs... but it absolutely stinks of UPE... I mean, why would you write an article about a company you have had zero dealings with unless they became like Amazon level famous.

- Rich^T|C|E-Mail 16:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Rich_Smith, That it is blatant UPE is very much overt, their first and eight edit betrayed their credibility, In order to combat UPE and not inadvertently shoot yourself in the foot, I find it helpful one has to provide a rationale for either UPE-templating the suspected editor or for outrightly calling them a UPE editor, (that way you you wouldn’t be accused of making “unfounded accusations” or “Assuming bad faith” ) even when the UPE stench is beyond conspicuous. I was going to UPE template them but there was no way I was going to do that without indirectly teaching them how to evade scrutiny next time. I just figured I’d add the article to my watchlist and negate any attempts to sneak the article into mainspace. Celestina007 (talk) 16:33, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Question

Does this draft Draft:Prende TV have any problems? ItsJustdancefan (talk) 19:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan, hello there, super majority of the sources read like announcements or press release. You can read WP:RS if you want to know more about sourcing. Celestina007 (talk) 21:02, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I made I draft called Draft:Univision (Latin America) about a channel owned by Televisa Networks then it was declined. ItsJustdancefan (talk) 01:00, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan Hey I told yesterday not to post on multiple venues or tp's simultaneously, this reply of yours should have been in the Teahouse where you asked the question. It appears the article was declined by CodeLyoko, Going to them first and asking why this was so was the next step you should have taken, honestly, you would find discussing with them to be more productive than going to the Teahouse or any other venue, to be frank, the reality is nobody is going to override CodeLyoko's decision to decline(rightfully so) and accept the article into mainspace. forum shopping (what you have been doing unknowingly)is counter productive, honestly talk to them instead. Celestina007 (talk) 01:26, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

ItsJustdancefan, I can reply here, I denied it because we already have an article about the main Univision company, I personally do not think we need one for a brand new regional variant when we can just add a short snippet in the main article. CodeLyoko^talk 02:37, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan, and there you have it, so that’s that for that. Celestina007 (talk) 02:42, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Arachana Singh

Hello sir I recently created the arachana Singh page .. 1 first time copyright contant the page was deleted .. sorry for the mistake

2 time I will post the correct information with reference sir..

Please kindly guide me the draft page to article Sir Dharanidanger (talk) 07:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

@Dharanidanger, hello there, the honorifics aren’t necessary as i’m not a “sir” could you please link me to the draft in question? Celestina007 (talk) 16:07, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

@celestina007,this is the page I created ,but it's moves to draft https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Archana_Singh Dharanidanger (talk) 16:41, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

@Dharanidanger, thank you, I have formatted the reference(s) section, moving forward please use {{Cite}} when citing. I see the problem with the draft is the sourcing, most sources you optimized are either self published blogs, or those without a reputation for fact checking, of course which means there isn’t any editorial oversight and is not reliable. You can use other methods when looking for sources such as those which are WP:OFFLINE. Furthermore, in what capacity are you and the subject of your article related? That is, kya vah aapakee dost hai? or kya usane aapako bhugataan kiya?don’t worry saying yes won’t put you in trouble, it allows me serve you better. Celestina007 (talk) 17:34, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes ,my friend introduced to me the subject. And she's not my friend and not paid me. Yes she's actor I confrom they act 4 movies ,and given reference only I know ,thank you Dharanidanger (talk) 03:23, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

theek hai, mujhe dekhane do kee main kaise madad kar sakata hoon, from your explanation, it’s not necessarily a COI but still possesses the potential to fall under the COI umbrella, like I said I’d to the best of my ability help out. Celestina007 (talk) 18:56, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

@Dharanidanger, it appears she has featured in a lead role, a supporting role and a cameo all of which do not meet WP:NACTOR are there any more movies wherein she took the lead roles? If there is please link me to it but if there isn’t I don’t think she is notable just yet, but I promise to always be here if you need help. Celestina007 (talk) 20:26, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Email referrals

Hi Celestina -

Referring to this Teahouse chat, two quick notes about VRT:

1. When referring editors to email VRT, please send them to info-enwikimedia.org, or if that's not what they need, to one of the other queues at meta:VRT#Queues. Volunteers-vrt is an internal queue for new volunteers to email that's only monitored by the VRT admins. (Don't worry, that message did make it to the right place.)
2. When it comes to article content, identity verification doesn't do much of anything. Any information sent by email is private and can't be used as source material, and personal knowledge of a verified account holds just as much weight as any other personal knowledge. We'll discuss with them and see if verification is feasible and the right thing, but they're still going to have to put up published sources to back up anything going into an article. Pretty much all {{verified account}} does is keep you from getting WP:UPOL-blocked for impersonation.

Thanks! ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 20:35, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

@ElHef, thanks mate. I didn’t particularly know what @ to send them to so I figured the one I used would make it to VTRS admins but thanks for showing me a better way to deal with this moving forward. Celestina007 (talk) 20:40, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

One year!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Talk about irony and coincidence. Thanks for the love Gerda. Celestina007 (talk) 12:29, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

My thoughts and appreciation

Hello Celestina007, how are you feeling now? hope you are okay now. I got a notification being mentioned in a report on you in the Administrators notice board. I didn't know if i could post there but i think you not as bad as said there, personally you pushed me to become better. When your comments came incubating the articles I did into draft, at first i was like wooow this admin is on my case Lol But you know what, your toughness made me better, i think and I appreciate, people take criticism in different ways. Here in Zim Wikipedia is slow so I am trying to cover as much ground as I can, there are no consistent contributors and the publications that are supposed to be our primary sources have some way of operating which I wish the community can understand.

Anyway, i appreciate your toughness.Zvandofarira2 (talk) 16:44, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

@Zvandofarira2, I’m not necessarily “tough” when I see what looks like UPE I address it with a “firm” approach through the proper channels which has resulted in great loss for both people and organizations, if I don’t move with personal security I’d be dead in a ditch(that’s no exaggeration) Although I dislike the ANI, i appreciate each new case as it’s a learning curve for me, for example two comments I made about UPE in Nigeria(I’m Nigerian btw) is being used as “evidence” against me, i appreciate this because I know next time to be conservative about what I say on Wikipedia about my own country. Is freedom of speech and expression a problem? Maybe I exaggerated the figures, but that UPE is prevalent in Nigeria is open knowledge. I however remain unfazed, I do what I can and let God handle the rest, for example I’m going to make an extensive discussion with some sysops or the community at large pertaining if or not using the UPE tag is against policy, the wording seems precise though. Celestina007 (talk) 20:08, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

I noticed that above you thought I was feeling “under the weather”, thank you for the concern but I’m not sick, a lifelong ailment doesn’t necessarily mean I’m unwell all the time I’m perfectly healthy, in order to avoid being doxxed I won’t mention the ailment but it isn’t that much of a big deal but thanks for the concern all the same. Celestina007 (talk) 21:28, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Minor thing

Hard to be more minor, but my indenting was the way I wanted it, per WP:INDENT, showing my reply was to Joselhurtado, so per WP:TPO please don't change it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:35, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, no problems, I misread it as an indenting mistake which it wasn’t. Celestina007 (talk) 20:43, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Re: A barnstar for you!

Hello, Celestina007...

Thank you for the barnstar. That's very kind of you. I'm glad that the page is to your liking. The ROF has provided some of my country's finest leaders, and I just thought that it deserved a proper page. O.ominirabluejack (talk) 21:00, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

@O.ominirabluejack seeing that article each day gives me joy and the excitement never gets old. We had a back and forth over if adding Freemasonry to the ROF article was proper or not but in retrospect I really do not see the harm, Freemasons indeed have been accused of worse so that wasn’t even a real point on my part, and just like the ROF, Freemasons have produced some of the brightest leaders in America. I can’t thank you enough for creating that article. It’s always a pleasure reading articles that are notable and are equally have very excellent encyclopedic value. If you can please do create more and ping me so I’d access and review, or if you like just suggest some occult related topics to work on, my latest article on the 1996 Otokoto riots is a good read, but isn’t really occult related I’d like to create something more “occultic” in nature. Celestina007 (talk) 21:23, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Coach Me!!

Oklo Adiga (talk) 06:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC) Hello User:Celestina007 i don't understand the whole thing no more, i've read and followed all the rules and guidelines here, i think i need an actual coaching from a wikipedian veteran like yourself.

yes Bayo Ododo and Da Great were my first wikipedia articles and to me it was kind of a test run. Da Great wasn't wiki material i agree and also Emerald Don but Bayo Ododo and Draft:Gigi Lamayne are notable and i felt they deserved a wikipedia page. i got to know about Draft:Gigi Lamayne was'nt in wikipedia last week when she released her album, i am glad you did'nt labeled it for deletion because i spent hours on it lol but rather you moved it to draft which is okay. i wasn't paid to write any wikipedia article i just want to be a part of the development and get cool stars and badges like you. i know i am doing it all wrong, so would you personally please coach me on what i need to do to make my articles wiki material? Oklo Adiga (talk) 06:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

@Oklo Adiga, could you please remove your personal details from my tp? I opened a report at WP:AN/I go there and defend your actions. Celestina007 (talk) 17:42, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Afizzionados

Celestina007 Does the Draft:Afizzionados have any problems? ItsJustdancefan (talk) 01:30, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan, hello there( I haven’t really gone through the time stamps) so I can’t tell really be of help I’m currently heavily multi tasking. You see, it’s usually good practice to try and dialogue with the afc editor who declined the article. What you may be unknowingly doing is asking the WP:OTHERPARENT it usually isn’t a good idea. TheBirdsShedTears AFAIK is an afc editor who can be reasoned with. Could you please talk to them instead? You’d find it more productive. Celestina007 (talk) 03:38, 26 July 2021 (UTC)