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Colorado State / common name

I added two sections at Talk:Colorado State Rams football. There isn't enough clarity in my view to make any changes at this time, but am aware you're actively working on related articles in this space. So I posted my notes. UW Dawgs (talk) 01:48, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Help requested

Hi Cbl62 - I was wondering if I could get some help improving an article. Charley Parks is a basketball player who played a few games in the American Basketball Association, and played college basketball at Idaho State and the City College of San Francisco in the late 60s. The article meets WP:NBASKETBALL as a former ABA player, but the article doesn’t demonstrate notability. It was PRODDED, but I removed it. I know you are good at sourcing, so I wondered if you might be able to help me find some for the article - he comes from that period where most sources aren’t easily found on line. I am also looking for sources, but have some conflicts this weekend and early next week so could use some help if you are game. Thanks for considering it. Rikster2 (talk) 15:52, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

@Rikster2: A quick search only turned up passing mentions in game coverage. When time permits over the next couple days, I'll try to dig deeper. Cbl62 (talk) 22:58, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

CFB schedule: "source = y"

Cbl62, FYI, you don't have to put "source = y" in CFB schedule in the named parameter scheme. The source field will render merely by typing it out in CFB schedule entry. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:39, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

MAC: College or University Division?

Cbl, thanks for chipping in on cleanup up the season links on all those articles. I saw your self-revert at 1958 Bowling Green Falcons football team. I'm guessing you're unsure about what division the MAC fell into. This hasn't been clear to me either. The 1960 Ohio Bobcats football team was named College Division national champion. But the 1969 Toledo Rockets football team got votes in the major AP Poll. Did the entire conference reclassify sometime during the 60s? Jweiss11 (talk) 05:41, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@Jweiss11: I am not sure, which was indeed the reason for my self-revert. If you find a reliable source clearly spelling out which teams were College Division and which were University Division, please share it. I will do the same if I find one. Cbl62 (talk) 06:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Mass TfD of NCAA standings templates

See discusssion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 March 4#Unused sports standings.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 22:40, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Illinois vs Michigan

I changed it to a "rivalry" page because I think it should be considered a "rivalry" instead of a "series".

Newspapers.com help with a project

Hi! I was wondering if you'd be willing to do me a favor with a project I've been working on. I've been trying to create an article for Sarah Dawson (softball). The subject involved here was an NCAA D-I softball 1st team All-American at Northeast Louisiana University (now the University of Louisiana at Monroe) in 1997; she later went on to a professional softball career with the Orlando Wahoos/Akron Racers franchise; and was later an NCAA D-I softball head coach for 10 years at Louisiana Tech University. Here's the problem: While I think that her 1st team All-American status should satisfy WP:NCOLLATH #1 as a major national-level award, ultimately it probably all comes down to WP:GNG, and, quite frankly, I'm not finding much there. Part of the issue is time. Her playing career ended in the late 90's/early 2000s, and, at this point, even her coaching career has been over for 5+ years. Also compounding the issue is the presence of another currently active softball player with the same name at a different D-I school, making Google searching difficult. So, I was wondering if you'd be willing to run her name through newspapers.com and see what kind of historical coverage you could find. I'm thinking that The Monroe News-Star, the Ruston Daily Leader, and possibly the Orlando Sentinel, some Cleveland/Akron papers and maybe some San Diego-area papers (she appears to have originally been from the San Diego area) would be the primary newspapers of interest here. If you could help out, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you!! Ejgreen77 (talk) 19:39, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@Ejgreen77: I'll see what I can find. My time is pretty limited today and tomorrow, but I can take a quick look now and dig deeper in a couple days. Cbl62 (talk) 23:51, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@Ejgreen77: Actually, my first search turned up a lot of hits. Here are a few of them: 1997, pt 1; 1997, pt 2; 1997b; 1997c; 1999, pt 1; 1999, pt 2; 1999b; 2004; 2005. That's significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. Looks like a GNG pass to me. Cbl62 (talk) 00:11, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm a little surprised that there is nothing in WP:NATHLETE about professional softball players, but she should be good on GNG grounds in any event. Cbl62 (talk) 00:13, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! That pretty much confirms what I suspected; she's notable, but her playing/coaching career is just old enough for sources to not be readily available online. Thank you so much!! I appreciate the help. Ejgreen77 (talk) 20:53, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Was able to get it started tonight. Thanks so much!! Ejgreen77 (talk) 06:08, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Talk:1901 Add–Ran Horned Frogs football team

Hey...left on the 1901 Add-Ran Horned Frogs football team page where I found the reference for AddRan Christian University. I'll leave it as is, and leave it up to you to make changes if necessary. Could the newspapers be using an informal name, but the Library use the formal one?.....Pvmoutside (talk) 14:11, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks and Expansion

Hi Cbl62! Thank you for adding extra sources to those college football drafts. I will go ahead and accept those drafts. I would love it if you could incorporate the articles you found into the prose of the article if you have time! Bkissin (talk) 17:10, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Georgetown fight name prior to 1928

Seems that Georgetown didn't adopt the "Hoyas" fight names until about 1928, per Georgetown Hoyas. Prior to the that, they were often referred to as the "Blue and Gray" in newspaper articles. The Georgetown football season articles prior to 1928 need to renamed. Should we include "Blue and Gray" as their fight name? @Mdnavman: looks like you did the bulk of the work on the early Georgetown basketball articles. This fight name issue would apply to those as well. Thoughts? @MisterCake: any opinion here? Jweiss11 (talk) 23:59, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Hilltoppers, supposedly. Cake (talk) 06:38, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

My searches confirm that "Hoyas" began being used as the nickname for Georgetown sports teams in 1928. As for the prior years, "Hoyas" gets some hits, but that is primarily because of the student newspaper being called the "Hoya". Based on my search results, "Blue and Gray" looks to be the correct "COMMONNAME" in the pre-1928 years. My confidence level is pretty good on this conclusion for the years 1896-1927. However, in the 19th century, I am picking up way too many false positives on the "blue and gray" formulation, where the reference is, e.g., to "blue and gray" suit in advertisements. For pre-1896, and unless someone wants to do a much deeper analysis of the hits, I'd support no nickname for the Georgetown teams. "Hilltoppers" definitely gained momentum in the 1910s and even more in the 1920s, but it doesn't not seemed to have surpassed "Blue and Gray". FWIW, here's what a newspapers.com search reveals on the three proffered options from 1896-1927:

Year	Georgetown Hoyas	Georgetown "Blue and Gray"	Georgetown Hilltoppers
1896-1900	282	2,412	3
1901-05	796	3,640	0
1906-10	509	5,650	411
1911-15	225	6,024	1,254
1916-20	156	3,218	1,056
1921-25	222	2,235	1,065
1926-27	101	637	384

Cbl62 (talk) 23:20, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Cbl, thanks for that research. I've gone ahead and made the changes accordingly. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:18, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Wilfred Childs - DOB and DOD?

Hi Cbl62 – do you happen to have any subscription-based access to genealogy and/or census websites where the DOB and DOD can be determined from University of Chicago basketball coach Wilfred Childs? SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:04, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

I saw you added some biographical info. Thanks Cbl. SportsGuy789 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:24, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Loyola Maryland

Cbl, I moved the 1925 Loyola Maryland article you just created to 1925 Loyola Green and Gray football team. Found lots of references to them as "Green and Gray" going back to the early 20s. Looks like "Greyhounds" came into use in 1928. Also, per the regional independent standings templates, Maryland goes to the South, no? See 1925 Navy Midshipmen football team. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:21, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Looks right. Cbl62 (talk) 00:43, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

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:'( I've updated his article. What else will need to be done? Lepricavark (talk) 16:01, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Maybe a good cry. Cbl62 (talk) 17:20, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

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Rutgers coach in 1898

Cbl62, you did most of the work on William V. B. Van Dyck as well as a few other articles for early Rutgers football coaches. The Rutgers media guide, which may be erroneous as media guides tend to be for that era, has Van Dyck as coach in 1898 and 1899 and H. W. Ambruster as coach in 1895. This 1898 article suggests that Ambruster was the coach in 1898. That makes more sense as he was only about 16 in 1895 and appears to have played at Penn in 1897. His 1961 obit notes him coaching Rutgers after leaving Penn. This September 1899 article discusses Van Dyck as a potential coach for the 1899 season, but makes no mention of him having coached at Rutgers the year before. This 1969 article, which you had cited and I just clipped, has Van Dyke as coach in 1899 and 1900. This 1994 article has another chronology for the early Rutgers coaches, which seems erroneous. Might be helpful to flesh out who "Michael F. Daly" of Notre Dame was. He seems to have coached Rutgers somewhere in there. Found a couple references for Daly: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34625616/the_daily_times/ and https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34625565/the_daily_times/. Let me know if you have any thoughts here. @Buckeye1971: perhaps your interested in looking into this as well? Jweiss11 (talk) 19:18, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

It is likely that I relied on the accuracy of the Rutgers media guide, but if the contemporaneous sources are inconsistent, I'd be inclined to give more weight to the contemporaneous sources -- for the reasons you outlined. On the subject of media guides tending to be erroneous in the 1890s, another example is Dick Harley. The Georgetown football media guide says he was the head coach in 1893 (here), but I searched extensively through contemporaneous newspaper sources and found zero support for this. (It does not appear that Georgetown had a coach in 1893.) The contemporaneous sources I found all describe Harley as the team's fullback (e.g., here) and here but say nothing about him being a coach or having any role in coaching the team. Cbl62 (talk) 00:55, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Going with contemporary info, the Schenectadian article mentioned by Jweiss11 is first-hand - Van Dyck not 1898 head coach. The following indicates "Teddy" Knapp (elsewhere identified as Edgar Albert Knapp, one of Roosevelt's Rough Riders) started the 1898 season as coach. In col 2, near bottom of http://nyshistoricnewspapers.org/lccn/sn83030272/1898-09-25/ed-1/seq-19/ and https://newspaperarchive.com/other-articles-clipping-sep-22-1898-1298946/ Knapp got a fever (from his duty in Cuba), and "George" Armbruster (not same as H. W. Ambruster ??) replaced him.[ https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34658491/rutgers_football_coach_teddy_knapp_out/] Maybe "George" is H.W., note the mention of UPenn, he came back to replace Knapp, and name wrong in news copy. Haven't looked much for George Armbruster yet. Buckeye1971 (talk) 20:53, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

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Clarkson football

Cbl62, I see you created Clarkson Tech Engineers football as a redirect. I wonder if we have Template:Clarkson Golden Knights football coach navbox and associated categories and links named correctly. Clarkson dropped football after the 1951 season; see https://www.newspapers.com/clip/35606876/press_and_sunbulletin/. Seems their fight name was still "Engineers" at the time. Any thoughts about about common short name at the time, i.e. "Clarkson" vs. "Clarkson Tech"? Jweiss11 (talk) 18:34, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

This came up while linking opponents for Manhattan teams of the 1930s. Newspapers for those two years referred to the team as Clarkson Tech Engineers. I did not do a broader check beyond those two years. Cbl62 (talk) 21:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Carroll Broussard birth/death info

Hi Cbl62. I recognize that you're quite adept at finding historical sources to bolster articles' quality. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind seeing if you can see what birth (and possibly death) info you can find about basketball player Carroll Broussard?

Since he played at Texas A&M from 1958–1962, I reckon his birth year is in the early 1940s. I found this FindAGrave entry that could be his, but it doesn't have any identifiers to make the specific connection. The year of birth seems about right, but there isn't a middle initial. I couldn't find any obituaries on newspapers.com from 1976 for this individual, either. And if this gravestone really is the basketball player, then he died quite young and I'd have thought there would be more of a fuss made about his death.

What do you say?

Thanks! SportsGuy789 (talk) 17:58, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@SportsGuy789: My Ancestry.com subscription was the best tool I had to locate birth dates. Unfortunately, my subscription has lapsed. Sorry I can't be more help at this time. Cbl62 (talk) 18:00, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Ah that is unfortunate. Thanks for letting me know. The search continues... SportsGuy789 (talk) 18:05, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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Been filling out the Tennessee Medical College football team, but I have some gaps in what I could find, namely the Tech HI and Bethel score in 1921, the Union score in 1922, and the King score in 1925. Any help? Yours. Cake (talk) 15:11, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

@MisterCake: I added the information you requested for 1922 and 1925. The 1921 date proved elusive. Cbl62 (talk) 19:57, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Kinda neat that they their unbeaten streak ended by closing the season with Lombard in 24 - who the Four Horsemen opened the season with. Cake (talk) 23:19, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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Hey, just wanted to give the heads up that i (mostly) finished the review on it; no rush on resolving it just wanted to make sure you were aware since iI know I took a while on it. Wizardman 15:59, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you! When I worked on his article years ago, I was disappointed in how few sources I could find for Gaither's career. - Donald Albury 14:55, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

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