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Help cakebot, I saw the great job that you did on Shiba Inu cryptocurrency. I have a cryptocurrency that I want to write on, would you be kind to guide me so that it can be approved or even write on it yourself? Mastetchi (talk) 06:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mastetchi, that page wasn't created by me, but by User:EDG 543. I have just been editing it since.

I see that you already know how to make the draft submission and I would advice you submit it there first. Important in getting any page on Wikipedia is that it is Notable (see Wikipedia:Notability). This means it has "Significant coverage significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

A consensus holds that the cypto-press (such as coin-desk) are not reliable and/or independent and so can't be used. So before starting make sure that your coin has widespread coverage in Wikipedia:Reliable Sources (Examples can be found in the green rows of the table on wp:rsp). For example, Shiba Inu (cryptocurrency) cites Deseret News, Mint, Bloomberg, Wall Street Journal, ect.

If you want any further information feel free to ask and good luck with future editing. Cakelot1 (talk) 12:15, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I will get in touch with you once I start working on an article.

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Revert

Hello Cakelot, looking to your revert, I was wondering if you could help me to trace it back. I got as far as Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism, but that's I am afraid. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 12:30, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Apologies Lotje, I accidently didn't put the actual link in. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Catholicism/Archive 2020#RfC on non-contemporary images of popes gives the consensus of the wikiproject to not use 19th century imaginary image such as those from The Lives and Times of the Popes and Saint Paul Outside the Walls. Additionally WP:PORTRAIT is a good essay to explain the general reasoning for avoiding imaginary depictions of historical figures. Cakelot1 (talk) 12:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much Cakelot1 for this detailed information. As a matter of fact, I added some information to that image --> Imaginary depiction of Pope Victor I seems reasonable. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 13:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Peter Obi

Good work. I have requested increased page protection. This looks like a political meat puppet campaign, though I would not rule socks out 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:12, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I think it might be more that a twitter account with 46k followers posted about it [1] Cakelot1 (talk) 22:17, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Now that would do it 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:17, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I have opened Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Joseph Isama‎ to try to determine meat/sock 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:17, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Midlands

In terms of backing up the claim that the name Mercia is synonymous with the Midlands, isn't West Mercia Police and the Mercian Regiment in the British army clearly proof that it is officially used? Even on the Mercia (disambiguation) page it states "It is sometimes used as a poetic name for the Midlands." 82.33.87.37 (talk) 10:55, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

82.33.87.37, As I eluded to in the talk page summary the use of old kingdom names is a thing that happens in other regions too. For example, Northumbria is used as the name name that in modern time is used by institutions in the North East: Northumbria Police, Northumbria University, Northumbria Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust, ect. Wessex in the south even more so Wessex Archaeology, Wessex (European Parliament constituency), Wessex Trains, Royal Wessex Yeomanry, ect. Neither the article for the North-east or Southern England claim it as an alternate name. We do have and article for the modern use of the name Northumbria (Northumbria (modern)), but these historical kingdoms and identities are too nebulous to map onto modern territories.

In terms of it being a poetic name, I would point to Cambria, a poetic name for Wales, not being included as an alternate name, Albion's not called an alternate name in the article for England, Hibernia not called an alternate name in our article for Ireland, and so on.

I think, if we'd want it to stick, we'd need some sources showing that the modern concept of the midlands is regularly, in common speech, referred to by some group, as Mercia. Cakelot1 (talk) 11:53, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Lehrer songs

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@David Eppstein as far as I know the songs are sourced from [website] which has the following declaration:

::I, Tom Lehrer, and the Tom Lehrer Trust 2000, hereby grant the following permission:

All the lyrics on this website, whether published or unpublished, copyrighted or uncopyrighted, may be downloaded and used in any manner whatsoever, without requiring any further permission from me or any payment to me or to anyone else.

Some lyrics written by me to copyrighted music by others are included herein, but of course such music may not be used without permission of the copyright owners. (The translated songs may be found in their original languages on YouTube.)

The music of all the songs on this website that were written by me may also be downloaded and used as described above.

In other words, all the lyrics herein and all the music herein that was written by me should be treated as though they were in the public domain.

In particular, permission is hereby granted to anyone to set any of these lyrics to their own music and publish or perform their versions or parodies or distortions of these lyrics without fear of legal action.

(There is no legal way to unilaterally transfer a song into the public domain, so this disclaimer is intended as an end run around the copyright laws.)

If you think that these songs aren't covered by this then they aught to be immediately removed from commons (see c:Category:The Remains of Tom Lehrer). Cakelot1 (talk) 00:13, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Also there's also a file of a similar ilk in Tom Lehrer#Recordings that you should also remove if you think that all of these recordings aren't covered by the aforementioned PD declaration. Cakelot1 (talk) 00:16, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Consensus on ethnic slur

I would be happy to start a discussion on the List_of_ethnic_slurs_and_epithets_by_ethnicity talk page to find a consensus on gusano's inclusion. I pointed to User:Cullen328's talk page, however, to show my reasoning for removing it based on the sources that were provided to argue for its inclusion. In other words, the editor who supplied the four Jstor articles as sources for the claim that gusano is an ethnic slur didn't read them, because none of them makes that argument. Planetjanet (talk) 09:24, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I recommend you open a talk page section. It's always best to do these thing where many people can respond. Cakelot1 (talk) 09:27, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I have removed those sources as they don't seem to support the content. I would however still encourage this discussed as it is a controversial topic and a consensus would probably be needed to remove it. Cakelot1 (talk) 09:43, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Cakelot1 seems like the user above have made some statements in bad faith, taking out small sections of the text out of context to support their own arguments. I have started a new section in List_of_ethnic_slurs_and_epithets_by_ethnicity talk page discussing in detail two of the citations by Jorge Duany with quotes in their larger context. I have also presented the larger argument each of the articles presents specifically in relation to the use of class and racial identity in relation to the slur "gusano".

As you were the one to remove the citations please let me know what you think of my presentation of these references and weather they are applicable to this context. Also it was not four JSTOR articles, but two JSTOR articles, one OpenEdition Journal, and one from the Berkley Law Journal. Thank you. GumRumGum (talk) 14:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

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Mass Revert

If you're going to do a mass revert of my edits, at least don't claim it's because of 'user talk discussion,' because it's not. Also:

I could probably do this more efficiently with Cat-A-Lot
{{Non-diffusing subcategory}} needs to be added to prevent this happening again, and I doubt you're doing that

I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 02:06, 4 December 2022 (UTC) (edited on 02:08, 4 December 2022 (UTC))

@I dream of horses, Where have I mass reverted anything? (my recent edits) I've only reverted Emergency Heroes so far, and this was before I read that this was a wider issue. Emergency Heroes clearly belongs in Category:Wii games as well as Category:Wii-only games. I didn't claim 'user talk discussion,', my actual edit summary was Undid revision 1125419674 by I dream of horses (talk) Unexplained removal. "Wii only" is marked as WP:DUPCAT and so doesn't interferer with "wii games". which I think is completely fine. Cakelot1 (talk) 02:31, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps your looking for Waxworker (recent edits) who actually is doing revisions of your changes (perfectly legitimately in my opinion). You should try to be more carful that you actually get the correct person before you launch into accusatory language. Cakelot1 (talk) 02:36, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

@Cakelot1 Sorry. You weren't the one who deserved that. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 04:36, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

List of crossings of the River Tees

Hello, on List of crossings of the River Tees you are using refs to the National Heritage List for England. Could you please complete the title for these as per the list entry and add appropriate accessdates. Many thanks. Keith D (talk) 23:09, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@Keith D, These where automatically imported from wikidata through the use of {{Wdtable row/bridge1}} and a such I didn't necessarily add the meta-data them. All the same I believe adding such data at wikidata will pull it through, so I'll have a look at adding those there. Cakelot1 (talk) 23:15, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I would have fixed it if it was here rather than dragged from wikidata much more user friendly and can spot changes. Keith D (talk) 23:19, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I was mainly just using List of crossings of the River Thames as a basis, but looking there they have the same problem with Historic England links. And after adding some more data to cites on Wynch Bridge (Q14549687) doesn't seem to come through for me (even after clearing cache) so I'm at a loss there. Might be a problem with {{Module:Wikidata table}} but I don't have enough experience in this. If there isn't a way to fix that, it might be an idea to make it a static table locally. I don't know if there is an easy way to "subt" tables like that. Cakelot1 (talk) 23:30, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit to Mary Ramsey

I was disappointed in your edit to Mary Ramsey. You did a disservice to readers by creating a disambiguation paged where there was only one other Mary Ramsey. A Hatnote at the top of Mary Ramsey would have been far more effective WP:Hatnote WP:D2D. BuffaloBob (talk) 14:37, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

I was going back and forth which to do, but the lack of any sources in the musicians article lead me to believe that it wasn't particularly the primary topic. I didn't think the other article was primary either (WP:NOPRIMARY). I don't know about calling edits you disagree with a disservice to readers. If we want to change it back it shouldn't be to difficult. Cakelot1 (talk) 14:45, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

What wiki should the additional details of the Natural Disaster Survival article be on?

On which wiki could be the additional details that were in the Natural Disaster Survival article, although I am concerned about the images that may be being used in the article. ~ Alex | Leave me a message on my talk page! 16:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey Alex, I was just posting a message on your talk page page explaining in more detail my revert. Fundamentally, all content on Wikipedia needs to be based on Reliable sources (see WP:V). Much of the content is available on The Roblox Wiki, images and all. I'm sure they'd be very appreciative of enthusiastic editors looking to work on Roblox articles. We can't keep images anyway if they are not absolutely necessary to understand the text, per WP:NFCC. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 16:52, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cakelot1 But are you sure that the article can still be understood without the other details that were in it? ~

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Articles on Wikipedia must be written from a real world perspective. As I said we are not a WP:GAMEGUIDE. So if by understand you mean be able to learn how to play the game, then that's not the goal. Instead, a reader should be able to read the article and understand how it's been used to in Disaster Preparedness Education [Per (Findlay 2017) ] or what windows central has to say about it, ([2]). It is on the basis of these sources that the article looks like it's going to be kept at [AFD] with the understanding that the article be re-worked to use them. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 17:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

P.S. if you want a wider discussion on the direction the article it would probably be good to discuss them at the article's talk page Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 17:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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Can you please add that spicy chicken McNuggets are back at McDonald's again.

McDonald's recently brought them back, Here is the source. https://www.today.com/today/amp/rcna111457 23.245.47.124 (talk) 21:03, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Can you please move Category:Teletoon to Category:Cartoon Network (Canadian TV channel)

The reason is because Teletoon became Cartoon Network on March 27th. 23.245.47.124 (talk) 01:15, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

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On reverting the edit made by me.

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                  Even if the latest edit I had made to the article related to NNN is not supported by the source, it makes sense in the article and for the reader. Please kindly revert the edit.

Thank you Y-7.html (talk) 04:39, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

@Y-7.html, The reason I have linked to WP:OR in each of my reverts was to hopefully explain why we can't we can't include thing just because makes sense in the article and for the reader when they aren't supported by the sources. Too explain it further we prohibit original research and require that every claim made be Verifiable by a Reliable sources (see WP:V). I'll also point you too some essays that may be helpful: Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth and Wikipedia:You are not a reliable source.

If you want the content included, I would advice you to find a Reliable sources that make the claim your trying to make (see WP:RSP for examples of good and bad sources) and then include it in a footnote. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 13:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I agreed. From next time I will come with a reliable source for my edits.

Thank you Y-7.html (talk) 07:11, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

No Nut November lead and reverted edit

as per MOS:LEAD, In Wikipedia, the lead section is an introduction to an article and a summary of its most important contents. that is why Destroy Dick December is there at the start, and if it is in the start then (per MOS:BOLDREDIRECT) Terms which redirect to an article or section are commonly bolded when they appear in the first couple of paragraphs of the lead section hope this make sense FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

I am quite familiar with MOS:BOLDREDIRECT and MOS:LEAD, thank you. I don't think it's important enough a part of the topic to be included in the lead (seeing as it only has one source and in my view takes up far to much of the article's body as it is). However, I don't have as strong opinions on this as you do, so I'm quite happy to leave it how you like. Perhaps in future, however, you could try to assume a bit more good faith and not use such patronizing edit summaries such as implying other editors are confused, when they may just disagree with you. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 20:19, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

well you should advise yourself before reverting edits without discussion, at least I am here and not just reverting edits of experienced editors without discussion.

And If it is more 30% of the article I think it is "important" FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:24, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with WP:BRD. You may notice it's not Bold, Revert, Revert & Chastise.

As I say I don't particularly care but I personally don't think that that amount of the article is WP:DUE, seeing only 1/6th of the sources are about it (and that source in question is the yellow WP:DAILYDOT). The whole DDD thing could probably be paired back to a short sentence in the main section. The article is set up now (in my view) gives disproportional weight to DDD. Then again the whole topic of NNN is only very marginally notable itself, so who knows. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 20:38, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

P.S. just to make it clear I'm very happy to leave the article as is and I admit I may have been a bit quick to revert, the article is vandalism magnet and, particularly during this month, major changes to it are often less well thought out. Additionally if the bold text is in the lead you may want to redirect Destroy Dick December to be pointing at the lead instead. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 20:46, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

no worries, I understand the in November this article is attacked constantly. Thanks for keeping an eye out and sorry for sounding a little bit patronising. I should have known better. take care FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:22, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

I have actually gone a-head and reduced the content to the a single sentence after going back over the daily dot source (and seeing that like half of it's coveredge is about the far-right & NNN). It just wasn't very WP:DUE imo. I don't think this should affect the lead however and I'm happy to leave that as is. Many Thanks Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 20:59, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

I see you edit and I really I do not think it fits WP:DUE which is normally used for differing views. I think what you removed is actually useful for the reader and I hope you can revert the edit yourself. FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:25, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:PROPORTION we should treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject. I just don't see how one WP:DAILYDOT twitter trend piece with about as much to say about the Far-right & NNN as it does about DDD, justified what in my view are extremely trivial and pretty WP:ORish sentence about the total number of ejaculations a challenge involves (when that isn't in the source). Now I know Routine calculations are allowed but I wouldn't consider these routine and if the one middling quality source we have for this doesn't think it worthy of motioning we shouldn't either. I also don't think usefulness is a good argument to keep the content when that's not how we decide what goes into articles.

If we are going to continue this conversation it would probably be best to move it onto the articles talk page. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 21:40, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

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