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WikiProject Films June 2009 Newsletter

The June 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 08:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Dead links at Amelia

You tweaked the format of my revived URLs from Richard Pyle, AP reporter, at the Amelia Earhart page, then in a subsequent edit, you returned them to dead link status. Mistake or on purpose? Binksternet (talk) 17:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Frank Hawks photo

If you live near DC or know anyone who does, in the National Archives there is one public domain movie with Frank Hawks in it (http://research.archives.gov/description/66853) and one photo of Frank Hawks that may be public domain (http://research.archives.gov/description/2829135). These are probably the best bets for usable photos of Frank Hawks, unless you can find something pre-1923. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Licence template check

Howdy. As you probably know Dapi89 has gone and gotten himself a week long block. (Silly!) In the meantime he has overlooked putting any copyright information on File:Sedanplan1940.jpg; I thought I'd help out by adding a couple seeing as how this will expire before his block. Would it be okay for you to check and see that I've added the appropriate templates? In the meantime the article lacks this map. Cheers Minorhistorian (talk) 12:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Bzuk. You have new messages at Stifle's talk page.
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My apologies if this whole permission thing is a pain... it's really just because of the legal issues involved. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

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Ref Fix

I just wanted to say thanks for fixing the ref I put in the Richthofen article. I just couldn't seem to get the syntax right. Cheers! Colincbn (talk) 06:52, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Small request

When you have a minute, I wanted to point out this post and direct your attention to John Dillinger and Talk:John Dillinger. When I left a note at the editor's talk page explaining what was going on, I noticed you had some dealings with him a couple months ago and had left posts regarding similar issues. Maybe you could think of a better way to deal with all of this than I am coming up with, since I can't persuade the editor to discuss anything on the talk page when apparently the edit summary will do. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow. Violate WP:CANVASS much? You posted your cry for help at WikiProject Films, now leave it at that before I report you to an admin. ViperNerd (talk) 06:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Viper Test rig.jpg

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Viper Test rig.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. If you are not the original creator and copyright holder of an image, you cannot license it as "PD-self". If it is public domain or free licensed for some other reason, please correct the description. If you have questions you can't find an answer to, ask. Thank you. Infrogmation (talk) 13:39, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

It looks like there may be additional problems with some of the images you uploaded to the VZ-9 AV Avrocar. Could you please review them? The photographs which you yourself took, please add some info as to when and where you took them, and a short description of what is shown. If there are any images which you are not the original author of, please correct the description and licensing if it is not accurate. Thanks much. -- Infrogmation (talk) 13:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello again, please respond. I'd like to know if you are the photographer of File:John Frost colour.jpg and other images in the article. If you can confirm you are the photographer for some or all, great. As the images you've tagged as PD-self seem to come from a variety of sources in different types of media from several decades ago, I hope you can understand why I raise the question. Descriptions on the image page (eg, what is shown? When and where did you photograph it?) would make the images much more useful. If some of the image info or copyright tag may be incorrect and you're not sure how to correct it, I'm happy to help if you ask. Some older images may be public domain for one reason or another, though information on source and date is usually needed to determine that. Historic or important illustrative images which are still under copyright may qualify for fair use. Thanks. -- Infrogmation (talk) 22:45, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

File:Mantz.jpg listed for deletion

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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XL (June 2009)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XL (June 2009)
From the coordinators The big news this month is the launch of the Academy content drive (see below if you want to help). But otherwise it has been a very busy month for both reviewing and contest department entries, surprisingly so considering the wind down of the academic year. If you'd like to do some wiki-gnoming over the holidays, please help with the huge backlog (currently 5 articles) at Category:Military history articles with incomplete B-Class checklists.  Roger Davies talk 11:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)	Articles of note New featured articles: Battle of the Coral Sea Battle of Vimy Ridge Brazilian battleship Minas Geraes Hastings Ismay, 1st Baron Ismay Military history of Australia during World War II Otto Becher Moltke-class battlecruiser Yamato-class battleship New featured lists: List of Medal of Honor recipients (Veracruz) List of Philippine–American War Medal of Honor recipients List of United States Military Academy alumni (athletic figures) List of United States Military Academy alumni (engineers) New featured pictures: Governor Davey's [sic] Proclamation to the Aborigines Test Baker, Operation Crossroads Tuskegee airmen New A-Class articles: Army of the Tennessee Battle of Bosworth Field Battle of Corydon Battle of the Coral Sea Battle of Ticonderoga (1777) Helgoland class battleship Operation Sky Monitor Rupert Downes Sd.Kfz. 10 Werner Mölders
Project news The Cold War task force has been created. New members are welcome! Congratulations go to Patar knight and Cool3, who have both successfully passed RfA. Feel free to chime in on the longrunning discussion about the firearms article structure. The Contest department has completed its twenty-seventh month of competition, with 54 articles entered by 10 editors. Sturmvogel 66 placed first this month with 64 points, followed by Parsecboy on 49 points. They receive the Chevrons and the Writer's Barnstar respectively. Ed! commendably came third with 44 points, with honorable mentions going to AustralianRupert (38), Mynameinc (11) and The ed17 (10). Thanks also go to Gaia Octavia Agrippa, Bernstein2291, Piotrus and Wild Wolf, who also fielded entries.|-		The Academy content drive Introduced in February, The Academy is an online school for new members. This month, we're launching a drive to increase the breadth and depth of its content. If you can help, by writing four to six paragraph articles, please do so! Barnstars galore to be won!
Awards and honours Our top Peer and A-Class reviewers over the last quarter are: Joe N (38), The ed17 (38), YellowMonkey (24), Cla68 (22), Jim Sweeney (22), AustralianRupert (21), Nick-D (19), TomStar81 (19), Abraham, B.S. (15) and Ian Rose (12) who each receive the WikiChevrons. The following editors received the Content Review Medal of Merit for their help: Patar knight (9), Piotrus (7), Patton123 (6), Sturmvogel 66 (6), Bellhalla (5), Skinny87 (5), Ed! (4), Magicpiano (4), Maralia (4), Wandalstouring (4), Cool3 (3), Hawkeye7 (3), IceUnshattered (3), Jackyd101 (3), MBK004 (3), Simon Harley (3), and Vantine84 (3). Thanks also go to: EnigmaMcmxc, Kyriakos, Saberwyn, Brad101, Dhatfield, Kirill Lokshin, Kirk, Mm40, Admiral Norton, Askari Mark, Benea, Binksternet, Brianboulton, Btphelps, Cam, Cuprum17, Geoff Plourde, Guyinblack25, Hartfelt, [[Us|-		Awards and honours Our top Peer and A-Class reviewers over the last quarter are: Joe N (38), The ed17 (38), YellowMonkey (24), Cla68 (22), Jim Sweeney (22), AustralianRupert (21), Nick-D (19), TomStar81 (19), Abraham, B.S. (15) and Ian Rose (12) who each receive the WikiChevrons. The following editors received the Content Review Medal of Merit for their help: Patar knight (9), Piotrus (7), Patton123 (6), Sturmvogel 66 (6), Bellhalla (5), Skinny87 (5), Ed! (4), Magicpiano (4), Maralia (4), Wandalstouring (4), Cool3 (3), Hawkeye7 (3), IceUnshattered (3), Jackyd101 (3), MBK004 (3), Simon Harley (3), and Vantine84 (3). Thanks also go to: EnigmaMcmxc, Kyriakos, Saberwyn, Brad101, Dhatfield, Kirill Lokshin, Kirk, Mm40, Admiral Norton, Askari Mark, Benea, Binksternet, Brianboulton, Btphelps, Cam, Cuprum17, Geoff Plourde, Guyinblack25, Hartfelt, HLGallon, Juliancolton, La Pianista, Nosedown, Ost316, Parsecboy, Redtigerxyz, Rosiestep, Ruhrfisch, Socrates2008, Sumanch, TechOutsider and Xatsmann.
Editorial: How to prepare an A-Class Review Perhaps the most important—and, indeed, most respected—aspect of the Military History project is our rigorous A-Class Review (ACR) system, which puts articles through the most robust review outside of WP:FAC. Although reviewing might seem daunting to newcomers, this article will give you an outline of three popular reviewing methods so you can actually start contributing yourself. General nit-pick - this is one of the easiest - and one of the most common - reviewing styles seen throughout Wikipedia. It is a similar approach to that you would see in proofreading and classroom marking. Basically, it is a general overview of the article, not getting too specific on aspects of the prose. The most common statements include This article could benefit from a light copyedit before going to FAC or You might want to check the endash and emdash placement in the article. It's a style that is incredibly easy to manage, and one that requires little-to-no experience in previous reviewing. Specialization - it often is the case that those who have been reviewing articles for a long time will move away from the general review towards more specific areas of articles. As an example, Tony usually stays within the realm of prose and copyediting while reviewing Featured Article Candidates, Tom used to focus almost entirely on external links and disambiguations, while others specialize their focus exclusively on copyediting, reference formatting, dashes, punctuation and flow, image licensing, and a host of other areas. This is a review method that is not nearly as time-consuming as other methods, as it allows you to quickly scan an article, spot the things that you work on, and how they need to be fixed. Sectional - My preferred style of reviewing, this is one of the most informative styles. Unfortunately, it is also one of the most time-consuming and exhaustive styles. Essentially, it involves going through the entire article, section by section, and pointing out every major (and often many of the minor) flaws present within each section. Everything from prose to reference formatting to content. It is a reviewing style that is exhausting, and often takes two or three goes through the article to get everything (sometimes even more), but it gives the article's main contributors two benefits. First, everything is well organized, mostly under section headers like this one, and it often makes finding individual sentences or refs much easier, as they are within that section. Secondly, it points out a lot of the problems from a lot of the areas. Best of luck, and happy Reviewing! Cam (Chat)
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Image policy

Hi saw your note at WP:Possibly unfree files/2009 July 8#File:Viper Test rig.jpg. If you check out Wikipedia:Image use policy you will see hwat needs to be done. Basically you are going to have to add a suitable license Jezhotwells (talk) 22:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Julie Clark

BillZ, I saw that you were the author of File:T-34 Mentor "Free Spirit" of Julie Clark.jpg. Would you happen to have a head shot of Ms. Clark that can be added to Julie Clark? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 18:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Charles Lindbergh

I noticed you undid my revision of Charles Lindburgh. Ok. Just so that you know why I did it, I think that the article is too chronological and doesn't need to be. I believe that if we group like things together such as later life and burial, early life and family and military career, conolidating the items that are scattered throughout the article it will be more meaningful to the reader. I also am planning on doing some major work on expanding the references and adding inline citations as well as rewording the bulletized popular culture section into prose. There are also a number of references that I would consider to be uneeded or weak and I am planning on cleaning that up as well over the next few weeks. I think this is a very important article and should be at least a good article if not better. Obviously you have strong feelings about it as well and I wanted to let you know my intentions so we aren't stepping over each others edits and getting into an edit war.--Kumioko (talk) 15:28, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I started restructuring the article in one of my sandboxes. Here is what I have done so far. CAL Article so far. I started restructuring some of the sections, created subsections for his awards and reorganized them, I still need to expand on them but I will get to that soon. I also changed some wording on a few things but there are some more things I need to reword in order to comply with WP guidlines. --Kumioko (talk) 17:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I will bare your comments in mind. As far as the stature of my edits I am just getting started and will be adding more content in time. Once I am done I think it will turn out all right. The biggest problem with this particular article is the sheer volume of information on CAL and trying to whittle it down to a manageable amount without the article hitting critical mass. The truth is IMO he did so much in such a sporadic manner that its difficult to read through the article when the subject is bouncing back and forth from subject to subject. I will keep working in my sandbox and we'll see what it looks like when I am done. --Kumioko (talk) 18:29, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

He 111

I had nominated this page for GA, but I'm not getting much attention. If you can, could you have a look? Dapi89 (talk) 15:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

FA you say? I am pleased. Although they might complain about the length. I'll fix the raised issues, thanks again. This maybe a little early, but is your book selling well?! Dapi89 (talk) 18:07, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Strategic Air Command

We seem to have a user insisting on removing the material you restored. I restored it (again) and opened up a discussion on Talk:Strategic Air Command (film). You are welcome to comment! -OberRanks (talk) 04:22, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Beurling

Buongiorno Bzulk, what is very dubious? (And what is about your new book? I just sent the final draft of my novel about italian pilots in second world war and today I am going to Malta to visit the Beurling places overe there, Ta Qali, Luqa and oters...)

regards from Roma! --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 05:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

A-1 Skyraider‎

Thanks for the edit of my additions to the A-1 Skyraider‎ article. It is much improved and looks great.Sciacchitano (talk) 22:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism warnings

I see you recently added {{uw-vandal1}}, {{uw-vandal2}} and {{uw-vandal3}} in a single edit at User talk:86.155.38.51. Actually, you don't need to issue a warning for each instance of vandalism by a user. Just warn for the most recent instance, and then wait a while to see whether it makes a difference. If the user continues vandalising having had a chance to read a warning, then escalate (per advice here). BTW, it is OK to jump straight to {{uw-vandal2}} if there's no way the edit could be a good-faith edit/test/mistake. Hope this helps - Pointillist (talk) 17:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Reggiane

I know what you mean but these sorties are interesting because they were rather few and the REggiane shot down few Spitfires as you know.... even if they were considered inferior.... what could we put in the operational history of this plane? There is not that much, it is not like the Spitfire, the Hurricane etc. Salve da ROma --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 22:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Roger!

--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 05:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Macchi 205, the Italian Greyhound

Yes I know that the Mustang was faster, and even more confortable and in some way more modern with its type of wing, oxigen mask, gunsights they could almost produce for you a hot coffe and rock music on the radio :) But I quoted that author and did not want to add more personal informations... I met pilots who flown both types and they told me the well known history: the C.205, designed for low medium height over there was superior to P-51, P-47, P-39, P-38. Spitfire, Hurricane, Kittyhawk Messerschmitts and Focke Wulf, and even to Fiat G.55 that was regarded as best Axis fighter... but we are not going in that discussion, right? :)etc. About Doglio-Beurling, that is the only air combat of C.202 that ALL books on Malta airwar quote... for the importance of the two pilots involved, let's remember that Doglio held 9 world records and was probably the most experienced and renowed pilot of ww2 (he had many hundreds of hours of aerobatics only, where Beurling was a novice compared to him..) and he was killed without even knowing just because of the radar guide system... and of course Beurling could shot...) Saluti da Roma and best wishes for your book...

Peacocky? Waht does it mean? Sorry but I am a simple man, the words confuse me sometimes...

--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 20:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC) --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 06:17,

28 July 2009 (UTC) 

"Hardly"? We should ask to those two able Malta Raf SPitfire...

saluti--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 19:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Mediation - Anna Anderson

I would like to thank you as an uninvolved observer taking the time to enquire as to whether a mediation process had been attempted at the Anna Anderson page. DrKiernan is quite correct that there have been other administrators look at the problems associated with the page. Both Trusliver and Alexius Horatius were very helpful. I have been associated with this page for a number of years and have tried to improve it adding numerous credible resources. What has happened was that the page was pushing a very strong POV agenda that Anna Anderson was Grand Duchess Anastasia. That has been totally proven to not be the case. Sadly what has eventuated has been an edit war where supporters of Anderson have tried to push their POV agenda in the face of known fact. Both administrators Trusiliver and Alexius Horatius have clearly tried to stop this. Their viewpoints have been ignored by the Anderson supporters. DrKiernan has tried to create a new article. What has happened though lately is that those pushing the Anderson is Anastasia agenda have been once again causing issues and those trying to present fact have been told they were no longer wanted hence DrKiernan wanting to ban me from the page. Niether Trusilver or Alexius Horatius believed that was necessary. In fact both were quite objective. The real issue with the Anderson supporters is that they continue to wish to push sources that while published are no longer at all verifiable or accurate. When this is presented those who wish to see reality presented are attacked and informed they are unhelpful. In fact both Trusilver and Alexius Horatius were worn down by the constant POV campaign by Anderson supporters. Real mediation is no longer occurring. Gwen Gale did step in but as archives display was not helpful and tended to back only one side. In fact there was a problem between this administrator and DrKiernan. I have tried to be supportive of DrKiernan. If you check his discussion page and archive on the issue this is fairly apparent. I feel now he has lost his objectivity as an administrator and needs assistance to allow consensus and a NPOV. I have purposely been keeping away from the webpage since DrKiernan put his opinion on the Administrator noticeboard. Sadly the Anna Anderson page has been in a state of edit war for far too long. DrKiernan has tried to stop this. What appears to be happening now though is he feels he is the only one capable of making edits to the page. It is of course necessary to stop edit wars. I agree with that totally. Locking out viewpoints not in line with Anderson supporters is not only preventing historical reality being presented, but also making the article very POV and inaccurate. I don't know what the solution is. I do know I am not the problem I am being painted to be. Other editors need investigation. DrKiernan for whatever reason does not wish to do this which would seem to be rather unobjective. There have been considerable problems caused by User talk:ChatNoir24, User talk:JohnK and one who has gone by Usertalk:RevAntonio and also uses 75.. and 76.. entries. User talk:Aggiebean is constantly attacked for expressing an opinion contrary to the Anderson supporters. It's all a sad situation. Certainly the article is no longer a place for discussion and no mediation is taking place. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Finneganw 04:16, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

About your latest edits to Boeing 247...

I have a few questions:

• This edit reverted my edit about the 247's forward-sloped windscreen not being unique to Boeing. May I ask why?
• That edit also restored the quote "Ordered off the drawing board", moving it to the intro. I had removed this phrase because, as written, it's not clear what it's trying to say, and I still feel this way, so I'm wondering why you restored it.
• You seem to prefer hand-coded citations to the use of citation templates. Since you mention the MLA Style Guide, I assume this is for style reasons, and I do prefer your style for book references, but I thought that Wikipedia prefers that the templates be used.

I hope you don't mind my asking these. If you prefer, we can move this to the article talk page. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 03:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply on my talk page; I've responded to you there. In short, I'm now OK with your changes. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 20:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Confirming Gavin Bailey

Hi Bzuk, I can confirm that I contacted Gavin via the email address given here. I had grave doubts about Kurfurst's claim and I contacted Mr Bailey because I thought it only fair that he knew his name was being used in this way. In a way I feel responsible for creating this situation by posting the associated forum - at the time I was tired of Kurfurst's constant undermining of my work; I wanted to make it clear that this wasn't just happening on Wikipedia. Nevertheless he chose to reply in this petulent and underhanded way. Personally I am furious about this, because it is this type of behaviour that undermines Wikipedia as a whole. I'm not certain that I want to continue. Regards Minorhistorian (talk) 22:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Charles Lindbergh

I was going through some of the articles I have been working on for a while to see which ones where ready to submit for various things (FA, GA, A, peer review, etc) and I think this article is well beyond the requirements for GA so I was going to submit it. Before I did though I wanted to run it by you since you are the number 2 editor. I will also leave a message on Centpacr's page since he is by far the #1. --Kumioko (talk) 18:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I have submitted the Charles Lindbergh article for GA. Before I make any changes (presumably there will be some suggestions) I will consult you and Centpacrr before making any changes. Although there are several categories he could fall in I placed it in the Transport category.--Kumioko (talk) 15:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Repeated removal of templates

What's your problem with templated references? Andy Dingley (talk) 19:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Unusual/Interesting

I understand that the accomplishmewnts of the aviatrix in question are both unusual and interesting; however, we need a reliable third party source to point that out for us or it is original research. Threse adjectives are highly sujective.--Die4Dixie (talk) 05:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

A few too many bourbon and cokes, but you catch my drift ;)--Die4Dixie (talk) 08:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe that they were both interesting and unusual. I see that you are an scholar in the field. Policy is to list the ocupations and allow readers to form their own opinions about it. If there are reliable sources that make the point, then you can use them. You really are on the wrong side of policy here. Now if you have published on it, then you can quote and attribute to yourself in the third person. I understand your passion here, but it may be clouding your judgement a little bit.--Die4Dixie (talk) 15:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

"SUPER Super Sabre"

BillZ, I just want to confirm that before you reverted my addition of the Verify Sources tag, that you actually know for certain that the given sources do in fact state "Super Super Sabre", and not "Ultra Sabre". The {{verify source}} tag is used to either ask for sources to back up the clims, or to ask someone to actually check the sources themselves. I am questioning this because the claimed names have been changed several times, and we need to know what the sources actually say in order to verify which name is in those sources. By Removing the VS tag, you are asserting that you do in fact know tha thte sources state this becuase you've actually looked on those pges, and seen it your self, either now, or in the past. Is this correct? Your edit summary was not clear on this point. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 18:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I juat wanted to make sure, as I'm sure the issue will keep cropping up from time to time. Btw, do you ever remember seeing "Ultra Sabre" in any of your books? Just to be faur to the others ;) Thanks again. - BilCat (talk) 23:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films July 2009 Newsletter

The July 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 00:45, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Ki-61

I read the usual, annoying reverting about my edits. It's more than enough: since you and Ahunt are so interested to revert my edits, then you should explain WHY someone can censor another editor everytime he edits. It's really amusing.--Stefanomencarelli (talk) 21:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

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Dear mr. Bzuk, since you laugh when i speak about a 'plot' against me, you surely can explain why two aviation contibutors like Ahunt and Nimbus are suddently so interested in the movies like Robin and Marian, right?

There is obviously no plot agaist me: these are the last 5,000 edit of Nimbus:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20090124231714&limit=10000&target=Nimbus227

And Ahunt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20090124231714&limit=5000&target=Ahunt

Strange thing, isn't? 10,000 edits and no one about movies, except to revert my poor edits. This is a casuality, cleary: we have just 3,000,000 articles, and 5,000,000 users, but wait, i am the only one that deserve, in the movie section, the careless rollback from two wikiaviators. Hmmm, it's toooooo strange to be believed. Too easy, instead, that there is a play against me and whetever editing i do. Even two lines in the DB-603 engine are not welcomed and not because being poorly written, but because G.56 was 'experimental' and Ta-152C was good (wrong, they were both prototypes, why one yes and the other not?).. the usual Ahunt strikes again.

No dear mr. Bzuk, i don't buy it. You can laugh at will, but there is no need of Sherlock Holmes to see how there are things too strange to be believed as 'normal'. To not to talk about Joe Baugher: strangely enough, when i take it as source, well he was not good, when another contributors discussed about this, strangely enough, J.Baugher was considered as an 'reliable source'. Such miracles!--Stefanomencarelli (talk) 11:26, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikiwings

		Wikiwings
		For exemplary text and reference expansion work on Aluminum Overcast. - Ahunt (talk) 17:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

File:One of our aircraft.JPG listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:One of our aircraft.JPG, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Diora (talk) 23:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

THIS IS A NOTE TO MR. BZUK:

Hi Mr. Bzuk,

Now that you have finished your book, perhaps you can fix the photo shown on Ted Lawson's article. The photo contained in the article is not that of Lt. Lawson; it is a photo of Charles McClure, Lawson's navigator. This is a serious error and I hope that you can fix: I don't know how to fix it myself. This error was pointed out by several people a year ago.

Paa123 (talk) 15:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC) Paa123

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLI (July 2009)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLI (July 2009)
From the coordinators Don't forget that the next Military history coordinator elections take place in September. You might like to start thinking about whether you are interested in standing. More information to follow in the next edition of The Bugle. In the meantime, enjoy the remainder of the holiday season and come back refreshed and raring to go!  Roger Davies talk 02:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)	Articles of note New featured articles: Albert Kesselring Adrian Cole (RAAF officer) Ba Cut Battle of Bosworth Field Battle of Corydon Edgar Towner Helgoland class battleship Maiden Castle, Dorset New featured lists: Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps Commandant of the Marine Corps List of First World War Victoria Cross recipients List of Jewish Medal of Honor recipients List of African American Medal of Honor recipients Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps New featured pictures: Burning of the United States Capitol Charge of the Light Brigade Vice Admiral John Duncan Bulkeley, USN New A-Class articles: 7th Infantry Division (United States) British Army during World War I Byzantine civil war of 1341–1347 Convoy GP55 HMS Endeavour John Lerew Kaiser class battleship List of foreign recipients of the Knight's Cross SMS Blücher
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Contest department The Contest department has completed its twenty-eighth month of competition, with 77 articles entered by 9 editors. Sturmvogel 66 was placed first again this month with an amazing 94 points, closely followed by Ed! at 91 points. They receive the Chevrons and the Writer's Barnstar respectively. Parsecboy commendably came third with 76 points, with honorable mentions going to Woody (29), Wild Wolf (25), Ian Rose (21), and AustralianRupert (16). Thanks go to Starstriker7 and Piotrus, who also fielded entries.
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the PZL P.7 to P.Z.L. P.7 move

I have added my pennorth at the discussion page. In a nutshell I think article names for aircraft in particular shoud accurately reflect the name and/or designation given to the aircraft by the designer/manufacturer, and not some americanized simplification.Petebutt (talk) 05:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

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I've added few details in disscussion about PZL naming convention on project's talk page. I hope that modern Polish sources will be enough to keep PZL and forget about P.Z.L. variant. Best regards, Piotr Mikołajski (talk) 16:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

"bare" urls

Thanks!--Panzertank (talk) 16:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

An exciting opportunity to get involved!

As a member of the Aviation WikiProject or one of its subprojects, you may be interested in testing your skills in the Aviation Contest! I created this contest, not to pit editor against editor, but to promote article improvement and project participation and camraderie. Hopefully you will agree with its usefulness. Sign up here, read up on the rules here, and discuss the contest here. The first round of the contest may not start until September 1st-unless a large number of editors signup and are ready to compete immediately! Since this contest is just beginning, please give feedback here, or let me know what you think on my talkpage. - Trevor MacInnis ^contribs 23:44, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

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Spitfire contributs

Hello, sorry if I disturb You but I have a problem with a contributor that is deleting wildily my contributs to the Supermarine Spitfire even if they are pertinent and referenced with notes... I had warned him not to do it but he did it on proposal i think... could you tell me how to solve this problems? Can you have a look please to the page? Can yuo tell me how I can stop this guy... i dont rember the nickname.. thanks gian piero --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 15:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey BillZ, I'm the contributor in question! My edit summary should be enough explanation, since you actually read and comprehend English at a functional level: "Removed unnecessary details, which belong in film artilces, not here; removed songs with no references attesting to their notability." The Spitfire article already approaching encyclopedic length on its own! Thanks. - [

First of the few

Hi Bill, hope all is well. Do you know this film, The First of the Few? Article seems a bit 'unloved' to me. I have seen it many times but not recently, it cropped up because a line from it seems to have started a myth about the Rolls-Royce Merlin being named after the magician. Cheers Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 23:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thought you might! Well first I wanted to know if the line about King Arthur and the Merlin is in there (and can it be used as a reference or a footnote in another article if it is?) and secondly I thought you might be able to improve the article generally. Bed time over here, speak later. Cheers Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 00:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Million in one

Sorry, had to let you know: I was editing the Macchi 205 page and came across an edit conflict, went ahead anyway and it came out that we made exactly the same edit. Unless there is an error somewhere. Have a good one, Brutal Deluxe (talk) 13:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC).

Bf 109

I think that BOyne means that the project of the Messersch. was so advanced and modern, the most advanced and modern, in fact, they say... think of what flew at the time... Gloster Gladiator, Avia, PZL, Polikarpow etc.. anyway I learned here not to questio about what the historian says... regards gian piero —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gian piero milanetti (talk • contribs) 05:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

PZL.50 Jastrząb and other redirects

Bill, I've added request for cleanup work on several PZL aircraft articles. I'm really angry (not to say sth worse) about Petebutt's edits which removed my cleanup and standarisation with most recent sources available. OK, I've cleaned up PWS and RWS aircraft but PZL ones are over my editor's priviliges. I left a little bit harsh note on Petebutt's talk page about age of his main (and only) source and about existing more updated sources. I hope he will leave Polish aviation articles because editing them with such old sources are closer to vandalism than to preserve knowledge. Best regards, Piotr Mikołajski (talk) 15:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Me 262

I checked... "..influenzò (the 262) i progetti degli aerei postbellici North American F-86, Boeing B-47 AND, AT LEAST AT THE BEGINNING, OF THE CIVIL TRANSPORT BOEING B-737". Mursia is a prestigeous publisher but... regards gian piero --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 17:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films August 2009 Newsletter

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me 163

Why you correct me Bzuk? I added details from Galland books, I am not going to expalin who is that man... am I? :) --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 15:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Me 163

sorry I apologize... I made a mistake... --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 17:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Glancey

Sorry I was aware that Glancey...what? That he is the architecture and design editor of the Guardian and that he is also a pilot and a frequent broadcaster? Yes.... I know that... Grazie Saluti --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 16:51, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Wing configuration diagrams

Hi, thanks for the comment (moved here). Do your criticisms apply to the frontal elevations, the plan views, or both? Any suggestions to improve them would be welcome, too. -- Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:08, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Buffalo

Let me check.... I think is ok....it I made mistakes I correct it --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 20:19, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Brewster Buffalo

I see you editing this article: Brewster Buffalo. After the third paragraph in the UNITED STATES NAVY section is this malformed picture: VF-3. I have no particular interest in this article. Could you do something with this odd thing ? GroveGuy (talk) 02:46, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

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Re: Amelia Earhart GA

Thanks for your note on the GA review page. I know that it's unlikely that it'll be up to standard in a week, but if they're willing to work on it, I'll give them a bit more time. You're welcome to join in, although if you'd rather stay out that's fine too. By the way...which Manitoba school divisions? I've got siblings in the system. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 01:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Typhoon

ciao... the quote says: "... as a rock. With the Hurricane I could throw it all over the sky and do any aerobaticas I liked. I Always felt I could never take such liberties with the Typhoon. You'd got to know what you were doing. They warnrd yo in the pilots' notes not to undertake anything under 8,000 feet - that was to give you a little bit of leeway." You know.... most pilote were illeterate... saluti --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 05:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLII (August 2009)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLII (August 2009)
From the coordinators The voting phase of the eighth coordinator elections, for the October–March term, started on 13 September and will run until 23:59 Sat 26 September. Each candidate garnering twenty or more endorsements will be appointed, to a maximum of fifteen. This election has a strong field of sixteen candidates running, offering many skills and representing all aspects of the project. The Contest Department is going from strength to strength and drew a massive number of entries in August (see the results below). If you haven't fielded any entries yet, please think about doing so. It's great fun!  Roger Davies talk 14:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)	Articles of note New featured articles: Convoy GP55 George Koval HMS Endeavour James Newland John Lerew Kaiser class battleship Keith Johnson (cricket administrator) König class battleship Siward, Earl of Northumbria Unification of Germany Victoria Cross for Australia New featured lists: List of Second World War Victoria Cross recipients List of Victoria Cross recipients by campaign Marine Corps Brevet Medal Order of battle at the Battle of San Domingo New featured pictures: "Students Going to Man the Fortifications" "Our New 'First Lord' at Sea" New A-Class articles: 24th Infantry Division (United States) Bayern class battleship Derfflinger class battlecruiser Egmont Prinz zur Lippe-Weißenfeld Ellis Wackett No. 3 Commando Operation Pleshet SMS König SMS Hindenburg
Project news People with an interest in clearly presenting battle information, and First World War buffs, will find the discussion about a new campaign box for the Battle of the Somme interesting. With the recent increase in enthusiasm, Wikipedia-wide, for creating "outline" articles, there's an ongoing discussion here. The idea is to produce guidelines for overview articles for Milhist editors and reviewers. Proposals have been made to introduce a new self-scoring "honour" system for Contest Department entries. Contributions, especially from regular nominees, are welcome.
Contest Department The Contest department has completed its twenty-ninth month of competition, with 145 articles entered by 13 editors. Sturmvogel 66 was placed first again this month with an amazing 101 points, closely followed by Georgejdorner at 98 points. They receive the Chevrons and the Writer's Barnstar respectively. Parsecboy commendably came third with 88 points, with honorable mentions going to AustralianRupert (68), Kumioko (66), Ed! (32), Ian Rose (26) and radek (11). Our thanks go to AM, David Underdown, Work permit, Yellow Monkey and Wild Wolf, who also fielded entries.
Awards and honours The Milhist A-Class medal goes to: Parsecboy for König class battleship, SMS König, and Derfflinger class battlecruiser; and to Ed! for 7th Infantry Division (United States), 24th Infantry Division (United States) and I Corps (United States).
Editorial: Getting to FAC via A-Class - some interesting new facts Well, it’s official. Milhist articles have a much better than average chance of success as featured article candidates. MBK004 has done some useful number-crunching following the fortunes of the 97 Milhist featured article candidates submitted between January and July this year. The research shows that 70% of Milhist articles were promoted against an overall average of 51%. Looking behind the figures, some other interesting facts emerge. First, 84% of our promoted articles had successfully passed a Milhist A-Class Review before going on to FAC. Second, of the 29 Milhist articles that failed, less than half (41%) had had an A-Class Review. Third, the 97 Milhist articles accounted for 16% of all FACs submitted between January and July of this year. The clear lesson is that if you want a string of featured articles to your credit, you may find Milhist's A-class Review process to be of benefit to you!  Roger Davies talk
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Commas in a series

Hello Bzuk. Please see here for the reason that I always include a comma before the conjunction that goes between the last two items in a series. Thanks Centpacrr (talk) 15:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

• See a reply for you here. Centpacrr (talk) 08:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Armstrong Whitworth Whitley

I was replacing a dud ISBN with an OCLC. What is it that's "basically wrong" in your view? Alarics (talk) 21:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. WP is not a learned journal, and we do not have to slavishly follow the dictates of citation systems designed for learned journals as long as whatever is done makes reasonable sense and is consistent within any one article. I cannot see where I was going against the general MLA scheme in the present case.

Elsewhere I have seen a general agreement that authors' names can be put in full since we do not have the space constraints that might require printed media to abbreviate them. In the case in point, I reproduced the author's name as I found it in WorldCat (see http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/65202527), since I happened to be there trying to find a valid ISBN to replace the dud one. If, as you say, in the book itself he is just called "Ken", I wonder where WorldCat got "Kenneth E." from.

I think it is a matter of judgment whether a place name is sufficiently obvious. I took the view that, since the article is about a British aircraft, anyone who doesn't know that Hertfordshire is in the UK would assume so. After all, we often expect people to know, or guess, that N.J. or Ga. are states of the USA, without spelling that out. But I don't think I feel particularly strongly on this point.

It seems to me immaterial that "the OCLC convention is not accepted as part of a bibliographic record at this point". The fact is that it can be useful to have, especially where there is no ISBN. I also think including the ISBN is highly desirable when there is one. -- Alarics (talk) 09:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

BZUK has an agenda against the use of templates for cites and references, although consistently fails to give any good reasons why. His fondness for reversing other editors' contributions immediately after making them is verging on vandalism, certainly pushing at WP:POINT. 8-( Andy Dingley (talk) 19:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

• See response FwiW Bzuk (talk) 20:25, 17 September 2009 (UTC).

Military history coordinator elections: voting has started!

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Could use your eyeballs if you have some time...

I'm going to try to get an FA on space debris. If you get a chance, could you give it a once-over for prose and such? Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:16, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

FixBunching Template

Hello, I see you reverted my good-faith addition to Short Seamew of the FixBunching template that is supposed to remove problems with stacked images on the right side of shorter articles. For more information, see the template:FixBunching and Wikipedia:How to fix bunched-up edit links. Since FixBunching looks fine with various browsers that I've used it with, may I ask what operating system and what browser are causing the article to look badly enough to revert the changes I made? What kind of visual problems did it cause? It's supposed to work well across systems and across browsers, so maybe there's still something wrong with the template (which I didn't write, but thought was a handy tool when I found it.) Prior to my change I would see the 'Edit' links in the Short Seamew article positioned in weird locations, and now that's visible again since the revert. Regards, Itsfullofstars (talk) 05:32, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

My response is here. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 10:35, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Percival Gull

Evening Bzuk, I've just been looking at the Percival Gull page and added a survivors bit. I was surprised when I looked at the specs, which I think you added as they seem to be (according to the 1960 ed of Jackson's British Civil Aircraft, vol2) the specs of the Vega Gull, specifically the marginally faster Gipsy Six srs II powered one. They are not, if you believe Jackson, those of any of the smaller Gull Four and Sixes that the Gull page covers. The Vega Gull has its own article.

I was about to modify them, but thought I'd let you know beforehand to see if here is evidence to make that edit unsafe. Cheers,TSRL (talk) 16:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

My response is here. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:29, 24 September 2009 (UTC).

File:HP.115.gif

Just noticed this image File:HP.115.gif of the HP.115 in flight that claims to be in the public domain as crown copyright expired (over 50 years). The first flight of the aircraft was 1961 which is only 48 years ago so it is probably still copyrighted. MilborneOne (talk) 10:56, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

F-104 Edits

I've covered the -104 loss rate extensively on the article's discussion page. The facts I've referenced show that the -104's overall Class A mishap rate is nearly twice that of the next Century Series fighter (the Hun). I backed up the data with verifiable references. How much more do I need to do? Dukeford (talk) 14:33, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll tell you why this is an issue. The original article stated that the Hun's loss rate was far worse than the -104's, which I disputed with Nimbus (who otherwise did a fine job on the article) in the discussion area. I get the impression that there are some big -104 fanatics out there who can't accept the fact that their fav had such a horrible safety record. They continually cite an out-of-date and highly misleading chart from Martin Bowman's -104 book to support their viewpoint. Unfortunately, the canard that the Hun's safety record was worse than the -104's has been referenced from the original article all over the Web. Dukeford (talk) 14:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

See here FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:49, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Got it - and thanks. I don't want to perpetuate an edit war, either. Dukeford (talk) 14:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Sopwith Camel Article

Just curious why my revision was taken out. The section doesn't seem that well organized, with repetition of certain facts and a bit about flight history smack in the middle of the flight characteristics. -FBM (talk) 20:03, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

See response here. Bzuk (talk) 21:13, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

That works fine. Thanks. FBM (talk) 21:28, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Over the top

And this isn't? At least my edit summary said what I was doing. And the issues I raised about the writing quality must not have been too far-fetched, seeing as how you undid very few of the changes I made. Sure, maybe I could have been "nicer", but I'm generally not happy when I find that Wikipedia's supposedly "good" content is actually incomprehensible. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

My response is here. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:39, 26 September 2009 (UTC).

It wasn't just "author's choice", there were substantial holes in coherency. For example, in at least two places something was brought up out of the blue without having been mentioned before: the final paragraph said that the Japanese teen was shot by "one of Basie's companions" without ever mentioning that Basie and companions had shown up (the last mention of him said that he had escaped), and says that Jim "didn't recognize his parents" without ever mentioning that his parents came. Holes like this are not simple style issues; they're omissions that reduce the text's coherence. And they're bad writing, there's no other way to put it. If someone tried to read that plot summary without having seen the movie, much of it would not make sense.

There are other serious problems with the plot summary (for instance, undue weight on some scenes while completely ignoring others, with no rationale given for why), but they're not as urgent. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:42, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

It may be "an author's vehicle", but it should still make sense and not illogically cherry-pick which parts to summarize. For example, why is the Japanese teen's crying important enough to be summarized, but not Jim & Basie's entire time in the temporary warehouse/prison (before taking the truck to the Suzhou internment camp). Why it's Jim's singing before the American fighter plane attack worth mentioning, but Mrs. whatever's death before the A-bomb explosion not? If a summary is going to be very detailed, it should be consistent in its level of detail throughout; on the other hand, if it's just going to cover the major plot elements, it should do so without missing any, and without adding unnecessary details in one place but not another.

This is already a difficult film to summarize because it doesn't necessary have a traditional "plot arc" with all things leading up to a big climax. That just means editors should be extra-careful, and clear, in determining what sorts of things should go into the plot summary and what shouldn't. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the new "in popular culture" section: do you have a source to verify that Ballard's use of "Cadillac of the skies" was the first? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:27, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, there is Bull's dictionary that claims it has a wartime origin, although if enough unpublished expert opinions disagree with that I can accept it. But since there's no published source for this, perhaps it would be better to reword to something more like "a phrase not attested before the publication of Ballard's book". rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

"Verbatim"? I would be interested to see how much more of the article uses text copied "verbatim" from it sources without putting it in quotes. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:51, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The issue is simply whether you can provide a source that Ballard's book was the origin of the phrase, or whether it's your expert opinion. Like I said, in this case I think your opinion as an expert is permissible, but I think it should be reworded (I left a suggestion above). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:19, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm normally a stickler for citations, but in this case I think it can be weaseled around if it's an expert opinion and there's no source available. (Wikipedia has to find a better balance, I think, in its treatment of experts...the Verifiability and Citing sources policies are some of the most important ones on the project, but at the same time we shouldn't be driving away the few contributors who have expert knowledge to offer. This is partly based on my own experience in my main topic, neuroscience and linguistics-related articles, where sources can be found to support just about anything but lots of experts known that such sources are outdated or discredited, and thus the opinion of expert editors can be more valuable than sources.) Specifically, if there's no published source to say definitively that Ballard's use was the first, but you have recourse to lots of other sources that don't identify any earlier source, the best option might be to add a long footnote saying something along the lines of "X, Y, Z [...and so on] older sources do not have any mention of this term". That way the information can still be included, even without a direct reference, but there will also be a paper trail for readers to follow how you reached that conclusion. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

September 2009

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See my response here. FWiW, thank you for your prompt attention. Bzuk (talk) 19:11, 28 September 2009 (UTC).

Thanks for tidying up Tu-144 article, but I'd suggest that you exercise some caution and avoid excessively rolling footnote contents back into the main text, as secondary details then overwhelm primary and break the logical flow for the reader. That's why footnotes were invented ;-)

Oboguev (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:59, 27 November 2009 (UTC).

Book check

BillZ, can you confirm the authors on this book?

• Kit, Mister and Jean-Pierre De Cock. F6F Hellcat (in French). Paris, France: Éditions Atlas s.a., 1981.

Per this diff, someone tried to expurgate one of the author's names, so I though I'd make sure it was real in the first place, on the off-chance this was missed vandalism. Thanks! - BilCat (talk) 13:22, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

See: edit comment and talk. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC).

Thanks for checking up on that for me. I did a quick Google search on the authors/title, and only WP and its mirrors turned up on the first page. That's when I turned to the mild-mannered librarian for help! - BilCat (talk) 13:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLIII (September 2009)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLIII (September 2009)
From the coordinators Greetings to all members of the Military history WikiProject, and to those outside the project who receive this news letter as well! My name is TomStar81, and it with a great sense of pride that I assume the position of lead coordinator for the project. On behalf of all the coordinators, both new and returning, we wish to thank those of you who participated in the September elections, and we look forward to working to advance the goals of the project for the next six months. With the elections concluded, there are two changes. First, Roger Davies has been appointed a coordinator emeritus, joining our first coordinator emeritus Kirill Lokshin. Secondly, for the first time ever, the lead coordinator for the Military history WikiProject will be taking a lengthy wikibreak. For those who were unaware of this, I am an undergraduate student, and will be taking a leave of absence, effective end September, to focus on graduating in December. However, with fourteen coordinators, and two coordinators emeritus, I am confident the needs of the project will be well taken care of. For the VIII coordinator tranche, TomStar81 (Talk)	Articles of note New featured articles: Battle of Grand Port Derfflinger class battlecruiser Fredonian Rebellion Hermann Detzner Henry Wells (general) Joe Hewitt (RAAF officer) Simon Bolivar Buckner SMS Hindenburg Werner Mölders New featured lists: List of Medal of Honor recipients for World War I New featured topics: Derfflinger class battlecruisers Lists of Victoria Cross recipients by campaign New featured pictures: Beijing Castle in the Boxer Rebellion Fort Baker at San Francisco Bay RAN Squirrel helicopter New A-Class articles: 1982 British Army Gazelle friendly fire incident Brazilian cruiser Bahia I Corps (United States) North Carolina class battleship Siege of Kimberley SMS Derfflinger SMS Kurfürst Friedrich Wilhelm SMS Lützow‎
Project news Congratulations go to The_ed17 for successfully passing his Request for Adminship.
Contest Department This month witnessed an all new and improved scoring system and process established in the Contest Department, which has run both smoothly and successfully. A total of 54 articles were entered this month by 11 editors. Parsecboy placed first with an astonishing 143 points, followed by Sturmvogel 66 on 105 points. They receive the Chevrons and the Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to the_ed17 (41), Auntieruth55 (38), AustralianRupert (17), Radeksz (12) and Ian Rose (11), with our thanks going to Piotrus, Abraham, B.S., Skinny87 and David Underdown, who also fielded entries. All interested editors are encouraged to submit entries for next month's contest; it can be a rather exciting experience!
Awards and honours The WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves has been awarded to Roger Davies for his outstanding leadership of the Military history WikiProject, including his introduction of the logistics department, his dedication to the Tag and Assess 2008 & B-class Assessment Drive efforts, and his astute advice and never-ending support and encouragement as both a coordinator and lead coordinator. The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has been awarded to Parsecboy for his work on SMS Hindenburg, Bayern class battleship, and SMS Derfflinger.
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Thanks

Thank´s a lot, Bzuk ! --Renzo Grosso ^Parla ! 01:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks for formatting references and other corrections. Keep up the good work. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films September 2009 Newsletter

The September 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 06:26, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

RE: Biting

What particular comments do you see? After a cursory glance, I see only the normal warnings and such. Master of Puppets - _{Call me MoP! :D} 03:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

That one did look a bit testy, but not blatant enough to warrant a scolding. Some people tend to be short with users they see as disruptive. I'll keep an eye on the talk page and make sure nothing worse is said, though. Your concern is very appreciated, though! :) Master of Puppets - _{Call me MoP! :D} 03:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Removing reference templates

What's up with these edits? You removed the reference formatting templates that I had just added to the article. --Srleffler (talk) 16:51, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

See my response here. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 05:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC).

"Mr. Deeds" Cleanup

Thanks for cleaning up the reference/cite on my addition to the "Mr. Deeds Goes to Town - Adaptations - Lux Radio Theater" text. It DOES look better. Mcwebeditor (talk) 14:19, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

303 squadron

I'm somewhat baffled that you say "removing a staement with refs is not the best way to proceed". Did you not see that the statement with references has not been removed? It has simply been placed elsewhere in the text. The article currently contradicts itself!Varsovian (talk) 17:36, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

See later revision. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC).

Regarding your extended version: wouldn't it be better to say in the intro that 303 was one of the best scoring squadrons and the best Hurricane equipped one (there is consensus among the sources as to that) and then discuss in the body that there are varying views as to whether it was the best? Doesn't an intro give the essential summary and the body is where the detailed info is best put?Varsovian (talk) 17:40, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Moving the discussion to the talk page, but all good points. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:43, 22 October 2009 (UTC).

Thanks for cite/links for me on this article.--Jacurek (talk) 04:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

RE:Varsovian and Jacurek

I see your point. I'm not the blocking administrator, but I do agree that it seems that Varsovian had the intention of cooperating peacefully. I'd suggest taking this up with User:Someguy1221 (as you already have). Cheers, Master of Puppets 03:51, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for everything, especially for proving that not all editors see newbies as things to be either bitten or dragged into existing wikidrama!Varsovian (talk) 13:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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WP:FILMS October Newsletter

The October 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. The newsletter includes details on the current membership roll call to readd your name from the inactive list to the active list. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:49, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

was checking vandal reports and noticed a booboo

might want to fix your ipvandal report, you linked their talk page, not ip address, it broke the template. ;) FELYZA ^{TALK CONTRIBS} 14:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Test your World War I knowledge with the Henry Allingham International Contest!

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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLIV (October 2009)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLIV (October 2009)
From the coordinators There's a long running discussion about consolidating various task forces ("TF"). Those affected are: consolidate Taiwanese TF into Chinese TF; merge Australian TF and New Zealand TF to form either Oceania or Australasia TF; consolidate Lebanese TF into Middle Eastern TF; merge Military science with Military technology and engineering to form a Military science and technology TF; and merge Indian TF with the Pakistani TF to form a South Asian TF, which would also include Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Please comment here to help us reach consensus. A discussion about a possible military biography notability guideline could also use input. Views from all editors here are welcome!	Articles of note New featured articles: 1982 British Army Gazelle friendly fire incident Amagi class battlecruiser Battle of the Alamo Brazilian cruiser Bahia Ellis Wackett Inner German border New featured lists: List of Knight's Cross recipients of the Waffen-SS Order of battle in the Atlantic campaign of 1806 New featured portals: United States Air Force New featured pictures: A synagogue in New York City remained on D-Day Battle of Kennesaw Mountain Journée du Poilu. 25 et 26 décembre 1915 Siege of Sevastopol, 1855 The burning of Columbia, South Carolina, February 17, 1865 New A-Class articles: AH-56 Cheyenne John Lloyd Waddy Lewis McGee M22 Locust Operation Coburg Operation Teardrop SMS Nassau Tosa class battleship USS Congress (1799) USS President (1800) Winter War
Project news The Henry Allingham World War I International Contest is starting on 11 November! If you would like to participate, sign up here, read up on the rules here, and discuss the contest here!
Contest department The contest department has completed its thirty-first month of competition; its second month under the new and improved scoring system. A total of 53 articles were entered by nine editors. Sturmvogel 66 came in first with 96 points, followed by Auntieruth55 on 80 points. They are presented the Chevrons and Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to Ian Rose (38), Abraham, B.S. (33) and Parsecboy (10). Our thanks go to Cuprum17, Ed!, The ed17 and Piotrus, who also fielded entries. All editors are encouraged to submit any articles that are working on for next month's contest.
Awards and honours The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has been awarded to Abraham, B.S. for his work on Otto Becher, Teddy Sheean and Lewis McGee. The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has also been awarded to Parsecboy for his work on SMS Lützow, SMS Kurfürst Friedrich Wilhelm and Tosa class battleship. The A-Class medal has been awarded to Brad101 for his work on USS Constitution, USS Congress (1799) and USS President (1800). The A-Class medal has also been awarded to Ian Rose for his work on John Lerew, Ellis Wackett and John Lloyd Waddy. The A-Class medal has also been awarded to Nick-D for his work on Take Ichi convoy, Convoy GP55 and Operation Teardrop. The A-Class medal has also been awarded to The_ed17 for his work on North Carolina class battleship, Brazilian cruiser Bahia and Tosa class battleship.
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Bibliographies

Hi Bzuk, haven't heard from you for a while. Having read Layout/works it would seem that for Wikipedia the main biblography relates only to books and other scources cited in the article's text, while Further reading is "A bulleted list, usually alphabetized, of a reasonable number of recommended publications that do not appear elsewhere in the article and were not used to verify article content." A number of books were listed in the Typhoon article but were not referred to in the citations, which is why I thought they belong under further reading. Sorry if I'm wrong. Cheers! Minorhistorian (talk) 22:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm back again with a Reggiane concept plane this time

Hi Bzuk, I'm back (I have never been so far anyway). I am a little bit rusty with my en.wiki skills: would you mind to give a look to this draft article I am going to move to ns0? A good friend of mine, "Flanker", is planning to upload Re.2007 sketches under fair use, but this is forbidden if no article exist on the matter, so I quickly wrote a stub. Do you think it could be moved to mainspace ? Please feel free to edit in my sandbox and clean or modify whatever you want. See you around. --EH101 (talk) 22:53, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you in advance for your support. As I just wrote to Ahunt, it is a pity I had to come back for such a controversial article, but mainly it is a favour to a good colleague who is eager to upload that plane drawings under fair use. It is mandatory to have an article in order to keep a non-free image related, and that is the reason I promptly came back.

You are obviously invited in visiting my unofficial "it.wiki-en.wiki mutual cooperation page" relevant to Italian aircraft, in a sandbox of mine. In these years, I bought several Italian aviation books due to Wikipedia citation concerns and now, as a side effect, I am the proud owner of a big quantity of Wiki workable photos, with a Public Domain status in Italy and US. All wiki-colleagues on it.wiki projects now know this fact, and often they ask me some data o airplane shots. Ask me freely and I will help.

Probably you will remember our last chat about citation syles. I did more and more studies on the topic mainly for helping some aviation article to reach the "featured article status" on it.wiki. I am widely adopting the <ref>[[#Knaack|Knaack,1988]] p.123</ref> plus <cite id=Knaack></cite> in References (one among the so named shortened footnotes style). You can see an example of this citation structure in it:Boeing B-52 Stratofortress I took care. Ask me freely if there are articles I can help on this matter. Ciao. --EH101 (talk) 09:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi Bzuk! Thank you for your welcome!--MaxDel (talk) 12:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

It´s great to be here Bzuk, thanks for wellcoming and high spirits for all! MigeruMadorido (talk) 13:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

File:John Frost colour.jpg

Hi. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. I have some questions about some of your image uploads. I brought this up a while back. Could you please add or fix the info on File:John Frost colour.jpg and any other photos with similar issues? I hope you understand why I might wonder if you took this photo in 1952, and if you aren't the photographer how you became the copyright holder. I'm mentioning this again to you here first rather than just listing this for discussion at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images. If you have questions about Wikipedia practices and policies you can't find an answer to, ask and I'd be happy to help if I can. Thanks. Cheers, -- Infrogmation (talk) 13:50, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

See my response here. FWiW, Bzuk (talk) 17:34, 22 November 2009 (UTC).

Thanks, I replied there as well. I think these images might be useful not only here but in Wikimedia projects in other languages as well. Some text explaining the source and copyright situation on the image descriptions would be helpful. Cheers, -- Infrogmation (talk) 16:52, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Tu-144 article

Thanks for tidying up Tu-144 article, but I'd suggest that you exercise some caution and avoid excessively rolling footnote contents back into the main text, as secondary details then overwhelm primary and break the logical flow for the reader. That's why footnotes were invented ;-)

Oboguev (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:03, 27 November 2009 (UTC).

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Replied on my talk page. /Lokal_Profil 23:47, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

New reply on my talk page. /Lokal_Profil 21:16, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Comment on F-94 Discussion

Dear Bill,

I added a reply to your comment on the F-94 Starfire "discussion".

Jackehammond (talk) 21:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)Jack E. Hammond

Another "all-knowing" IP user

BillZ, a Canadian-based IP user has been making uncited changes to the Bristol Fairchild Bolingbroke article, per this diff. Would you mind checking over his info, and seeing if they have merit, and if they can be cited? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 15:32, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the edits and sources. - BilCat (talk) 00:57, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Help needed with 'nested' citations

Your expert help would be appreciated! The article Lebaudy Patrie contains at least two references (14 and 17 at present) to articles in Flight Magazine (from 1916/1917) each of which contains an excerpt from an earlier sister publication ("Auto") from 1906/1907. Currently the citations just mention the Flight sources, but they really ought to refer back to the earlier "Auto" sources too. The citations both make use of "cite journal", but I'm fairly certain that this template cannot handled such 'nested' citations. I remember you mentioning that you enter the citations by hand - is there a standard form for such citations? Many thanks. --TraceyR (talk)

Another Avrocar image problem

An IP user has raised a problem at Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2009_December_14#File:Avrocar_flying.JPG although they dont appear to have told you. MilborneOne (talk) 15:50, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Gunston '80

Hello... How are you ... i had noticed that there was a similar book but the publilsher was different and so the isbn number... what is about your new book, prego? --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 12:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Gunston

Ah! Now I understand... I thought there could be differences in number of pages... Nice to know that... (But why you dont answer about your new book?)

--Gian piero milanetti (talk) 13:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Compliments

A foreign translation? Compliments, I am still waiting just the publishing of my first novel, and yesterday night I discovered that the editors wants to change the title that other people regarded as "genial": Ménami, mamma! (Beat, me mama!) Do you have any idea, by chance? :) greetings... --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 15:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLV (November 2009)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLV (November 2009)
Project news The Academy Content Drive concluded on 31 October. The first place Golden Wiki went to TomStar81 for 13 entries; the Silver Wiki was awarded to YellowMonkey for 11 entries, and Patar knight was presented with the Bronze Wiki for 3 entries. All other entrants were awarded the WikiChevrons or a barnstar for their contributions. Thank you to everyone who fielded an entry! All editors are encouraged to check out the newly expanded Academy. A discussion about the notability of military people has resulted in an update to our in-house style guide. Prompted by some recent "articles for deletion" discussions, members felt that we should provide clearer guidance on the types of person that are most likely to meet Wikipedia's biographical notability criteria. The resulting advice, which you can see here, should be very helpful in both future deletion discussions and in deciding where best to focus article-writing efforts. Our Task Force housekeeping discussion is now coming to a close. In October a number of proposals were made for rationalising our extensive list of Task forces. Although a few areas remain to be decided, project members have approved the changes summarised here. These will be enacted shortly, so if you haven't yet had your say, now's the time!	Articles of note New featured articles: Cologne War Nikita Khrushchev Operation Teardrop SMS Derfflinger SMS Lützow John Lloyd Waddy Ton That Dinh New featured pictures: Turkish heliograph at Huj New A-Class articles: Arrow (missile) Battle of Bardia Canadian National Vimy Memorial Collins class submarine Frederick Scherger Iven Giffard Mackay List of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords or Diamonds recipients of the Waffen-SS USS Chesapeake (1799) Walter Peeler
Contest Department The contest department has completed its thirty-second month of competition; its third month under the new scoring system. A total of 52 articles were entered by seven editors. Sturmvogel 66 came first with 168 points, followed by Ian Rose on 51 points. They are presented the Chevrons and Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to Auntieruth55 (31), Ed! (26), Abraham, B.S. (26), The ed17 (17) and Piotrus (7). All editors are encouraged to submit any articles that are working on for next month's contest.
Awards and honours The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has been awarded to Hawkeye7 for his work on Albert Kesselring, Rupert Downes and Battle of Bardia.
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Merry Christmas

I see you met another It.wiki aviation contributor. Good. Hopefully we will improve information exchanges and ideas. All the best Bzuk! Merry Christmas.--EH101 (talk) 20:44, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry etc

Bill: thanks for the note. It has been great working with you here for another year and I look forward to doing more in 2010! In the meantime I hope you have a great Christmas and New Years! In January I am going to bug you with some book publishing questions, just to pick your brains, so "forewarned is forearmed"! - Ahunt (talk) 20:18, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Buon Natale e Felice Anno Nuovo

Thanks for your wishes... the same to You... Merry Christmas and Happy ew Year!!

Saluti da Roma!! --Gian piero milanetti (talk) 20:33, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the thought

Thanks for the mini "Chrissy Card" mate - best wishes to you and yours likewise. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 21:39, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Ditto! Centpacrr (talk) 21:46, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

That makes 68 of us. Felice Navidad, Happy Hanukkah, Cheerful Kwanzaa, Happy New Year, Happy Valentine's Day... Jose Feliciano ^{where's my glasses?} 22:18, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Warmest season's greetings to you and yours. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:49, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Christmas!

Thanks for the good wishes. All the best to you too for Christmas and for 2010 - may it be a productive and successful year! --TraceyR (talk) 23:31, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

You have a great Christmas too! And all the best for the new year. Cheers!-- BC  _{talk to me} wfo 00:01, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Best wishes for the holiday season and the upcoming new year!

Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:21, 25 December 2009 (UTC) and Akasha Autumn and Ralph the Cat.

Have a Joyous Noel!

Hi Bill! May you and yours have a very richly blessed Christmas and a wonderful New Year! Askari Mark (Talk) 02:11, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Thanks for the Christmas wishes. Hope that you have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 02:41, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

G'day from sunny Oz. I have just finished eating Christmas lunch (turkey, chicken, orange-and-sugar-glazed ham) with YSSYgal's family. Its a lovely day here, temperature in the mid-twenties, and I've just opened WP to settle an argument about some little bit of trivia and got your message. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks Bill, and I hope you and your family have a lovely Christmas. YSSYguy (talk) 04:31, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

And a belated Kia Ora from NZ; hope you had a great Christmas. Like Oz we had a day in the mid-twenties, allowing a good old fashioned BBQ and a game of cricket. All the best for the New Year. Cheers Minorhistorian (talk) 21:48, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Could you keep an eye on this please?

G'day Bill, I was wondering if you could have a look at this article from your neck of the woods. It appears that the main editor of the article is the owner of the company. I took out a whole heap of guff a month ago and an anon. user (who I daresay is the company's owner or someone connected to the company) went and shovelled it all back in again. I have reverted those edits, however it seems to me that the article as a whole could be a CFD due to being just an advert. Do you have knowledge of this company, and if so, does it merit a WP article? YSSYguy (talk) 05:34, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

cheers ! Madmonk11 (talk) 20:16, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Best wishes for 2010

Hi Bzuk!! Thank you for kindly remembering me at the 'festive season'. Have been away for a few days. I have recently resumed contributing aviation articles to Wikipedia - but perhaps not at the intensity of earlier this year. There are some ideas I'm currently working on. Thank you for your past help and encouragement - and corrections! Best wishes to you for the New Year. Ruth. RuthAS (talk) 22:53, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Bill, Thank you for the pic and the Christmas wishes! Same in return. Cheers, and may our wiki-endeavors grow with bountiful results this coming year. Happy New Year, Bill! Lance...LanceBarber (talk) 06:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

asides & punctuation

Hi Bill. I'm responding to your edit on Arsenic and Old Lace (film). You wrote this:
> Immediately after the wedding on Halloween, as it happens, Mortimer visits the bizarre relatives who still live there
I don't like the use of commas there. I think it's incorrect. "as it happens" applies to the fact that the wedding occurred on Halloween, so "on Halloween, as it happens" should be marked as a unit. Otherwise, it looks like "as it happens" applies to the fact that Mortimer's visit was after his wedding. Also, I like either dashes or parentheses to indicate that being on Halloween isn't really a core aspect of the sentence. Thanks for contributing. —Codrdan (talk) 05:17, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

RfD nomination of "Willie" William Lidstone McKnight

I have nominated "Willie" William Lidstone McKnight (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. — The Man in Question (in question) 09:29, 29 December 2009 (UTC)