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Hi @Aza24. Your work on Euclid is great, thanks. The Wayback Machine (and Internet Archive more generally) is also a wonderful resource, one of the best things on the internet. However, it is in my opinion effectively spam (i.e. unhelpful to readers and unwarranted marketing for an unrelated service) to put an IA backup of every URL on Wikipedia, including living links, and it seems particularly spammy to include a large number of links to pages where the IA backup doesn't actually include the content of the page. It's more than sufficient for Wikipedia authors to tell the IA to back up every page linked from Wikipedia articles, but leave the Wikipedia page per se alone, only explicitly adding archive links to address actual or likely link rot.

The problem I have with such IA links is similar to my problem with S2CID spam added by Citation Bot, which nobody really ever seems to defend when it's challenged bu also nobody is willing to remove site-wide. I haven't had the enough interest/energy/time to try to make a site-wide RFC about either Internet Archive spam or S2CID spam, but I try to push back on it locally on individual pages.

I find it distasteful for other websites, even if they happen to be non-profits with publicly beneficial missions, to abuse Wikipedia for their own self promotion, and to be honest I think there should be some requirement to get large-scale consensus from Wikipedians before external organizations should be able to do this kind of large-scale spamming, instead of just going ahead with it and hoping nobody complains.

All the best, –jacobolus (t) 23:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Jacobolus, I get it, and I apologize if my comment appeared to be fishing for recognition. My revert (and explanation) was more related to hasty actions amid a stressful day IRL (hence my revert on your page).
WP is full of useless things that have become standard, and I see this fits that bill. Other candidates are the page views template on every talk page (barely usable, take up space, much better tools available), links to EB 1916 in every external links section, portals in general, etc. Aza24 (talk) 23:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
I try to clean up article talk pages when I can, including removing the broken page views templates. E.g. I also try to replace {{american english}} banners on talk pages with invisible {{use american english}} banners in article pages to reduce visual clutter, set the 'wikiproject shell' to collapsed state, consolidate talk page "milestones" in {{ArticleHistory}}, set up archiving of very old discussions, and take out redundant archive search boxes when there are 2 of them. I wish we had a somewhat more compact top banner than {{talk page header}} to put on talk pages; at least it's possible to use my own user CSS to hide the various welcome messages portions of it, leaving the archive search. I think I have sometimes compared articles with the EB1916 version and where there's no remaining text from the EB taken it out, but I might be misremembering there; most of the articles I look at weren't started from old EB. I have definitely sometimes removed {{mergedfrom}} templates after finding no remaining text from a long-ago merger, but I wish this could be one of the possible "milestones" instead, where people curious about the page history could see it.
Aside: It would be great if the {{ArticleHistory}} template could include custom / free-form entries. I'd love to see milestones along the lines of "Aug–Sep 2022, Aza24 does a substantial cleanup/rewrite" on Euclid, and not only items conforming to specific bureaucratic processes. Oh well. –jacobolus (t) 00:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
We used to have a bot that cleaned up talk pages, but that was at least half a decade ago (before my WP time, but maybe you remember it?). There was something of a movement a year or two ago to clean up talk pages a little—Combining class rating & wikiprojects, as well as archive notices & talk headers came out of it. Unfortunately the autocollapse for WikiProjects was rejected at TFD. More nuance to article-history templates would be great, I agree. I'm glad WP:GOCE has their own template, though I rarely see people actually add it!
I know that EB-based articles (I think I meant 1911, not 1916, but same effect) are a complex issue with quite a bit of history. What I'm really referring to is that many people add uncited external links which say "EB 1911 has an article on so-and-so", which is perhaps the worst place a reader could be sent to. An 100 year, outdated source that probably just duplicates existing article content! Aza24 (talk) 19:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
I don't at all mind people adding links to old encyclopedias on e.g. biographies of obscure 18th century English people. On topics of ongoing scholarly interest they're usually not very helpful. –jacobolus (t) 20:02, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
(Aside: Citation bot will hopefully no longer be doing so much S2CID spam, User talk:Citation bot/Archive 38 § Semantic scholar links continue to mostly consist of spam. I might get motivated sometime to go pester the internet archive people about the IA bot.) –jacobolus (t) 15:06, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

February music

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Today I am happy about a singer on the Main page (at least for the first hours), after TFA the same day last year. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

He played all three? Geez, he must have had some tea to help voice afterwards. Aza24 (talk) 22:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Probably he didn't, and died, - sad story. Some day we should do something about the 2017 ref-tag for Tristan und Isolde. - When I made today's story I was sure Alfred Grosser would appear on RD today, which may happen or not but I go to bed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:24, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I actually spoke to DanCherek about bringing the Tristan to GA at some point. Will ponder further! Aza24 (talk) 23:58, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Sounds good. - Thanks to Seiji Ozawa. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to music by Tchaikovsky (an article where one of the four is pictured), sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
Rip to Ozawa, Vami... and now Pollini! Gah... too many gone too soon. Aza24 (talk) 03:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Seriously. That one got to me (Pollini). Such a versatile musician, and so expressive. I was just now listening to him play - Stockhausen. Antandrus (talk) 03:22, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
I'm listening to his Brahms 2 (the last movement) right now. Not even the rep he was known for, but yet magnificent. And so sensative!! Ironic how easy comparisons with Michelangeli are in this regard—perhaps the only two famous recent Italian pianists (I will run if someone mentions Einaudi). Aza24 (talk) 04:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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GT promotion bot issue

Hi Aza24! I noticed that this GT promotion with Novem Linguae's bot didn't seem to work (although I can't work out why)—apologies if either of you knew this already and were working on it. — Bilorv (talk) 18:16, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah, I hadn't noticed the second time. I'm not sure what's wrong either, if Novem isn't sure I may just do a manual promotion in the mean time. Aza24 (talk) 19:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
@Bilorv sorry for the delay. I ended up manually promoting it pending bot investigation (the bot struck on a second article!) Aza24 (talk) 05:19, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
This is the fix if this happens in the future. The bot looks for a certain pattern, and having numbers missing from the pattern confuses it. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:52, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery FAC

Hi, I am looking for reviewers of this FAC, which has been struggling to attract attention, and I want to make sure it stays afloat. Any chance of some assistance? Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 21:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Amitchell125, nice to hear from you. I'm happy to take a look but it may be later this week. I've left a comment on the review page so the coords now I'm planning to take a look. Best – Aza24 (talk) 04:03, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

March music

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in memory of the birthday of a friend who showed me art such as this -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Cool pieces! Love the Hildegard statue. Gerda, have you ever sang anything by Frank Martin in any of your many choirs? Aza24 (talk) 02:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
No, regarded as too difficult. Pepping, Britten The Company of Heaven, Nystedt, Sandström ... but not Martin. Le Vin herbé seen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Gotcha. My choir did Martin recently, but only a single movement from his mass. That movement alone was quite tricky! I can't imagine doing the whole thing (but would love to one day) Aza24 (talk) 03:54, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Good for you! - va pensiero --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Rossini's Petite messe solennelle was premiered on 14 March 1864, - when I listen to the desolate Agnus Dei I think of Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Vacation pics uploaded, at least the first day, - and Aribert Reimann remembered who knew voices. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Next day, around Porto da Cruz, on Bach's birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Some days later, a calf in the mist and chocolate cake, and a story of collaboration --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
I listen to Bach's St John Passion today, - 300 years after it was first performed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Two days later in time, early Bach music for Easter! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
I have been obsessively listening to the opening of Bach's St. Matthew Passion recently. So sublime! Aza24 (talk) 04:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Agree. What do you think of the opening of BWV 66, my story today, with a link to YouTube? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Andrew Davis (conductor)

On 22 April 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Andrew Davis (conductor), which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. SpencerT•C 19:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Copland

story · music · places

Thank you for support for Copland, and please keep watching. I think the key to the revert may be found on Vivaldi. I passed a note on Classical music, to little result. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I like to see Appalachian Spring on the Main page today (not by me as you will know, just interested and reviewed), and I also made it my story. - How do you like the statue (look up places) - I was undecided so show three versions ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

That is an incredible statue! Wow! Much better than other attempts at composer portraiture... Aza24 (talk) 07:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! - Today I see Marian Anderson as my top story (by NBC, 1939), and below three people with raised arms, - and the place is the cherry blossom in Frauenstein --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Anderson is awesome. You'd be surprised by how many singer friends of mine consider her one of their idols. Aza24 (talk) 22:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Yes. Last year when the same story came up it was Easter Sunday, as in 1939, so I had no time, but today I listened to the full concert, so moving - incredibly different voices for the last two spirituals, and such an intimate ending for that crowd. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
plum tree blossom for Kalevi Kiviniemi in the snow - see my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
My story today is about a piece composed for the Second Sunday after Easter 300 years ago, and I just returned from a (long) opera about the same age, with soprano Pretty Yende --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
relief: the last of six RD articles in one week is now on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Precious
Four years!
I am happy that Kathleen Ferrier made it to the Main page, in the fourth attempt. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
today a sad task - memory of Andrew Davis - turned into entertainment (yt at the bottom of his article, actually both) -- the latest pictures capture extreme weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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Coding question

Hi, Aza! I am trying to get the sfnm template to work with individual harvid cites, but can't seem to figure it out. Any thoughts? ~ Silence of Järvenpää 20:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey @Silence of Järvenpää, could you give an example? For sfnm you have to be rather careful with the numbers: i.e. you have to do {{sfn|1a1=author|1y=year|1p=page|2a1=author|2y=year|2p=page}} – Aza24 (talk) 04:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi!! For example, at Discography of Sibelius symphony cycles#Projected cycles in progress, I am trying to get the four cites for Santtu-Matias Rouvali to combine into one reference. These entries use all harvid. I tried the following code but it didn't work:
  • {{sfnm|1a=S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 440)|1y=2019|2a=S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 574)|2y=2020|3a=S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 645)|3y=2022|4a=S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 1008)|4y=2023}}
I also tried these two, but they, too, didn't work:
  • {{sfnm|1a={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 440)}}|1y=2019|2a={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 574)}}|2y=2020|3a={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 645)}}|3y=2022|4a={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 1008)}}|4y=2023}}
  • {{sfnm|1ref={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 440)|2019}}|2ref={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 574)|2020}}|3ref={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 645)|2022}}|4ref={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 1008)|2023}}}}
Any ideas? Thanks! ~ Silence of Järvenpää 19:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Hey @Silence of Järvenpää, I think all you need is a second number for the authors. So have 1a1 for S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 440); followed by 2a1, 3a1 and 4a1 (I do this in my example above). The 1 would be changed if there were multiple authors (i.e. {{sfnm|1a1=Smith|1a2=Fellowes|1y=...}} Let me know if this works!
Also, the AV media template has an OCLC parameter, so you don't have to separate it from the citation. Aza24 (talk) 06:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Aza! It worked ... ugh, can't believe I missed those 1s. Also, I owe you an email soon! Hope you've been well. ~ Silence of Järvenpää 19:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Emirates Cup promotion

Hi Aza, I just wanted to ask if there was a problem with the promotion of the Emirates Cup topic? The discussion is closed but it hasn't been archived, nor has the delisted topic been updated. Thanks in advance :) Idiosincrático (talk) 09:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Idiosincrático, good catch, sorry about that. Since this is the promotion of old topic, the bot can't do it. I'll plan to do it manually tomorrow (please bother me if I forgot!) Aza24 (talk) 06:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
@Idiosincrático, this should all be sorted now! Thanks for your patience – Aza24 (talk) 01:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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May music

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On the bicentenary of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, I remember our recent uplifting choral concert in pictures, on my user page and in my concerts (leading to the two at the church's article). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Today is the Feast of the Ascension for which Bach composed his oratorio, - perhaps watch a bit how the closing movement was performed in Bach's church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Magdalena Hinterdobler is on the Main page today, together with an opera that reviewers deemed not interesting and too obscure for our general readers. The soprano thought differently, - listen and see. - Also on the Main page: a TFA by sadly missed Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

did you listen and see? - today's story has a pic of a woman holding her cat, a DYK of 5 years ago - the recent pics show 2 orange tip butterflies --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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Schumann

Greetings, Aza24! I hope I'm not being a nuisance in wondering if you think you'll be able to add any more to your valuable contribution to the Robert Schumann peer review page? Happy to wait, if so. If not I'll close the review and head off to FAC. Best wishes, Tim riley talk 17:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi there @Tim riley—thank you for the heads up! I'll plan to look either tomorrow or the day after. Best – Aza24 (talk) 02:25, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Splendid! I look forward to it. Tim riley talk 07:22, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
@Tim riley, I believe you forgot to include Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Robert Schumann/archive1 on the FAC page. Aza24 (talk) 18:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Aargh! Have I messed up the procedures yet again? Would it be too much to ask you to do the necessary for me? Sorry about this. Tim riley talk 18:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Happy to oblige! I've now done so, see [1]. – Aza24 (talk) 18:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm most grateful - thank you so much! Tim riley talk 06:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Graciousness

Your rethinking of your earlier comments at VPP regarding the OKA issue (paid translations) was gracious and is a good example of one of the attributes of a good editor, namely the ability to reevaluate evidence and change one's mind, as you did. (This has nothing to do with what "side" you ended up on.) If you found any part of my reply directed towards you off-putting, I apologize. Keep doing what you're doing; I value your opinions now more than before. Mathglot (talk) 21:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mathglot, thanks for this. I found myself talking with a tone/approach that I despise in others. Cheesy as it is, considering The Analects is quite literally beside my desk, I was a bit disappointed in myself. In any case, my best to you as well. Aza24 (talk) 22:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

June music

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Today we have a centenarian story (documentation about it by Percy Adlon) and an article that had two sentences yesterday and was up for deletion, and needs a few more citations. - Do you think we should disconnect the list of a composer's works from his article? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Comp lists make sense in Infoboxes, but I don't see such discussions really worth the effort. When it was discussed ad nauseam on Vivaldi, the Vivaldi article itself was left unchanged and in a rather regrettable state. Aza24 (talk) 19:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
For Schumann, it was stable for years, and not only was the removal not discussed, but also performed in an unclear action that I missed. But I am described as disruptive, in the same breath as proudly announcing that the infobox was "retained". I call that kafkaesque. (Talk:Gustav Mahler). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Surely much of Wikipedia is kafkaesque, but I suppose that's part of the fun :) Aza24 (talk) 22:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
I am for fun, but removing the link to a composer's works has not the slightest fun component for me. The works would be within the same article for less prolific people, and should remain as accessible as possible when split off. Perhaps I have a limited sort of humour but "rotten trick" (as in the Schumann FAC) is also not within my fun range. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Fair enough. I hope you can understand my hesitation to get in the weeds for such disputes. But at least the Schumann article is much approved! Aza24 (talk) 22:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Everybody hesitates to get in the weeds, and I remain as a person playing rotten tricks, allegedly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Great to have Stravinsky as FA now! With the "rotten trick" ;) - Today is a feast day for which Bach composed a chorale cantata in 1724 (and we had a DYK about it in 2012). Can't believe that Jodie Devos had to die, - don't miss her video from the Opéra-Comique at the end, - story to come. The weekend brought plenty of music sung and listened to, and some of it is reflected in the last two stories! + pics of good food with good company --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
You made my day by restoring the works to Copland that I had added 2 April. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Uncited information is uncited information ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Aza24 (talk) 20:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Good luck with making that understood ;) - The image in my DYK story is what I happened to see from my seat in a performance before the festival (with Anna Netrebko in the title role but sold out of course, and the other was possibly the icier Principessa anyway). I recommend the trailer video, with various scenes to the end of the music that Puccini was able to finish before he died in 1924. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Co ordinator

Hello, I appreciate your email requesting me to become a coordinator for the GTs and I would be definitely willing to accept a nomination! K. Peake 16:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks so much for your interest @Kyle Peake! Just so you know, it would be for both FTs and GTs, since the projects are closely linked. I'll get the formal nomination rolling in the coming days. Aza24 (talk) 18:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thank you for being awesome. We need more editors to follow your example. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Thanks @WhatamIdoing, I appreciate the kind words. Aza24 (talk) 18:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
You're welcome. And thank you. Most editors find it extremely difficult, or even impossible, to say that they've changed their minds. We need to celebrate it when it happens. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Well, that's a depressing reality, but I suppose your attitude makes sense :) Aza24 (talk) 18:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

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New Britten book – timing

Hello. I was interested to see this – thank you, and I will probably have to order it! But, with the greatest respect, I was worried that it is a bit early to put it on the page, when no-one except reviewers can get their hands on it for some months ... looks like October in the US and November in the UK. Would we not do better to wait until the book is available to the public? With all good wishes DBaK (talk) 07:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered, you're quite right about this concern, which crossed my mind as well. You'd be most welcome to remove and then restore later, but to be honestly I decided that it really didn't matter! Whether readers regularly use further reading sections is certainly up for debate, and I suspect that by the time someone comes around to that article for such information, it will be well past 2024 :)
In any case, it's so encouraging to see one of the most important living philosophers engaged with such profound music. Aside from aesthetics specialists like Stephen Davies, I can't remember the last time we've seen such interest. Perhaps in the enlightenment? I suppose there's also the late Roger Scruton. Aza24 (talk) 18:32, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the courteous and interesting reply. You may very well be right, that it doesn't matter! I would not have stumbled across it myself were I not in the middle of a rather obsessive phase about the piece, caused by a combination of a recent and more-or-less accidental visit to Coventry, and the fact that we have Prom tickets! I suggest that we leave it for now and if a second person remarks on the early appearance then maybe consider doing something about it.
It is indeed wonderful that she has written this work and I will greatly look forward to it. Philosophers writing about music isn't something I know anything about, but I was very interested in your comments. At the risk of invoking an unfortunate stereotype, I mostly blow down noisy things and it's probably written off some of the more delicate corners of my brain, if ever it had any. Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:38, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
@DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered, of the major requiems, I've sung Brahms and Faure, studied very closely Mozart and Verdi, but never delved into the Britten. Any recording recommendations?
I can't blame you for liking the loud, exciting stuff. Do you know Sibelius' 2nd symphony? Its 3rd and 4th movements have been regular listening to me recently, and their vigor is incredible – Aza24 (talk) 18:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello again! Sorry about the slow reply while I juggled, ineptly.
Recordings ... (to note: you are affording me far too much respect in asking me these interesting questions. My area of knowledge begins and peters out somewhere around the question of a good aftermarket leadpipe for an old Selmer piccolo trumpet) ... I have the Decca original with the intended cast, BB conducting, LSO, the works. It is very splendid. I know not everyone adores Pears but, gosh ... horses' mouths etc. The one I have says it was remastered in 2023 which I imagine must be a good thing. It certainly sounds OK, but I do not have an unremastered edition with which to compare it. I've also been listening to the Chandos recording from 1991 – Hickox, LSO, Harper/Langridge/Shirley-Quirk. This sounds fantastic too and Langridge will be more to some people's tastes. I really ought to look at some more recent recordings but I don't know them at all and I might ask Gerda or my choir trainer where to start. For the moment I am happy with these two, indeed now that my copy of the score has turned up I am more towards blissed-out than merely happy.
I should mention that we also got a DVD of the Derek Jarman film which uses the 63 Decca recording as its sole soundtrack. As I said, getting tickets for the Prom then visiting Coventry has triggered a lot of things for me!
Sibelius: I don't think I know no. 2 though sometimes I surprise myself, so, thanking you for the prompt, I shall have a listen. It will not be a hardship.
Thanks again, DBaK (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Well now I have some promising things to listen to!—Thank you for this.
This film adaptation seems most curious, and certainly worth further investigation. And with Olivier no less! Aza24 (talk) 21:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
The film is definitely worth investigation so yes, I think you should certainly see it if you're interested in the War Requiem and its cultural context and impact. I've lost the reference now but, somewhere, I saw Philip French quoted as saying that it was Jarman's best work. It's tricky ... it is very much a Child of its Time, if you will forgive the borrowing, and looks a bit 1980s (well, duh) and has moments of looking a touch like the sixth-form play ... but this alongside a great cast and some very moving scenes. We rather loved it, mostly, but I need another viewing and perhaps another large glass of wine. There are gory moments that were a bit much for me, in the actual newsreel footage. But I am a well-known wimp.
It's basically images to accompany the piece, not exactly a film of or about the piece. Most informed critics get this but you do occasionally see one that rather misfires. It really does not work well as a war film with some classical music weebling on in the background. It's like regarding Carmen as a documentary about cigarette production.
There's one scene that ought to be brilliant but I found difficult, verging on the hilarious ... I don't want to spoilerizate™ you too much but suffice to say that a duel between a tenor horn and a fixed bayonet is never going to be a very fair fight. (Memo to self: insert funnyclever remark here about the horn needing sharpening ... going sharp ... tuning slide ... ?? oh never mind.) There is another musical, nay tenor horn, issue in the film which drove me wild with rage but with which I shan't bore you ... it is a bit niche to say the least.
On balance, I am very glad I have bought the DVD for all of six quid from HMV (whom I had thought defunct?!) It fits well with my current need to understand all I can about the piece before we go to the prom on 17 August.
I have rabbited on far far too long! Sorry, and all good wishes DBaK (talk) 07:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
PS Coventry blew my mind. I knew about it but had never been. I thought I might faint. DBaK (talk) 07:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, Aza! Been awhile. How have you been? ~ Silence of Järvenpää 00:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey! Nice to hear from you. Doing well, haven't had much motivation for bigger WP projects recently, so been working on smaller things. How are you doing? Aza24 (talk) 02:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Great! Glad you are well ... and even a low-motivation Aza makes important, necessary contributions to WP! You'll come around again to the bigger projects, as you once told me. I've been okay, too ... been working (somewhat surprisingly) on Peer Gynt in my sandbox. Seems like the most important non-bio Grieg article, along with the Piano Concerto. So, I thought I'd take a stab, only to discover that the discography is a difficult one to get a handle on ... incomplete suites, full suites, incomplete incidental music, complete incidental music sans dialogue, and finally the real deal (e.g., Ruud for BIS). It's been a fun exploration so far ... a lot of good music that didn't make the suites, such as Night Scene (Act V, Scene 6), Peer Gynt and the Herd-girls (Act II, Scene 3), and, my favorite, the reprise (Act III, Scene 4) of Åse's Death with spoken dialogue between Peer and his mother. Thanks for bringing Grieg's wiki-need to my attention. We'll chip away at it, bit by bit. Also, I'm about to move to the other side of the county, so lots of excitement (and stress) in my future! And I still owe you that email! ~ Silence of Järvenpää 13:55, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Peer Gynt is a worthy cause! It is most impressive to me that two artists of such eminence worked so closely together. But I suppose this is not too unexceptional: Picasso and Stravinsky; Beethoven and Goethe; even Lully and Molière. Have you heard Grieg's Holberg Suite? A really joyful set of lovely pieces! Aza24 (talk) 03:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Hi, Aza! Wow, thanks for the education on the collaborations! I do like Peer Gynt quite a bit, and only recently, through this wiki-project, discovered the complete incidental music. (I guess Sibelius/Järnefelt and Sibelius/Paul don't quite reach those august heights! :P haha.) (By the way, please feel free to poke around and even contribute, should it pique your interest, to the PG draft I'm working on.) The Holberg Suite is excellent, too; I almost mentioned it in my previous post to you, in the same breath as PG and the Concerto, but then thought it didn't quite hit the same level. Would be nice to expand that one, too. ~ Silence of Järvenpää 13:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Lists of UEFA club competition winning clubs

Hi Aza, I just wanted to let you know that the bot closing the "Lists of UEFA club competition winning clubs" topic did not add the supplementary articles which were added as part of the removal discussion. These articles were the List of UEFA Conference League finals and the List of Intercontinental Cup (football) matches. I was just wondering if there was a quick way to fix this error. Kind Regards. Idiosincrático (talk) 02:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi there @Idiosincrático. Thanks for this; you're quite right, I'll see what I can do. Aza24 (talk) 03:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Idiosincrático, I've now done so; did a mock nomination for archival purposes.
If you have a moment, could you check that Wikipedia:Featured topics/Lists of UEFA club competition winning clubs is laid-out properly? This is not a topic I know well, so the order of the articles in the topic box may not be ideal at the moment. Aza24 (talk) 20:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
I've adjusted the order slightly. Thanks for your help! Idiosincrático (talk) 23:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikiproject

Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to Syriac chant, would you be interested in a wikiproject on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 11:17, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Kowal2701, my contributions on the article you mention were solely citation formatting. Although my realm of music frequently crosses into oral tradition, I'm afraid my to-do-list is otherworldly in its scope, so I am hesitant to take on more. By the way, you posted on Midnightblueowl's talk page two times. Aza24 (talk) 21:28, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
My bad, thanks for letting me know Kowal2701 (talk) 06:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

July music

story · music · places

The story is today about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was blessed to hear. Listen, and perhaps read what Alma Mahler (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) - Seeing that Copland was mentioned above in April: perhaps you are a person halfway neutral in infobox things and thus able to begin a discussion on Classical music about how to represent a composer's compositions in an infobox. There may be different ways, but omitting the works completely as for Schumann seems ignoring that they are in many cases key to a biography. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

3 July is the birthday of Leoš Janáček, and I'm happy I had a meaningful DYK in 2021. It's also the birthday of Franz Kafka, and I uploaded pics from his family's album seen in Berlin. Janáček's infobox has a list of his compositions, like Bach's, Mozart's, Beethoven's. Schumann had one for years, until one featured article writer removed it (and I noticed only after it was too late for a BRD revert and discussion). I don't want some formal arbcom clarification but find it not fair towards earlier editors of the improved article. I would go the the FAC but was uninvited and am obedient (sometimes). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Janáček is looking a lot better than I remember, seems like someone cleaned it up a few months ago Aza24 (talk) 21:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Libuše Domanínská, the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, Tamara Milashkina became GA and Lando Bartolini went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in Il tabarro in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to Liberty) up to Calaf in Turandot in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of Brian Boulton who was a pioneer of a concise infobox in 2013, including a list of compositions. - Enjoy your time off. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Interesting, I've never heard of Il tabarro, it must be the least know of the trittico – Aza24 (talk) 04:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
I think Suor Angelica is even less known, because of an all-women cast. - With a Brian Boulton article on the Main page, and Gianni Schicchi in mind (which happened to be the second opera I saw on stage), the article about Il tabarro is a shame. If only days were longer ;) - I improved Liana Isakadze to at least decency, but more about music - instead of these laundry lists - would be desirable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
ps: Mozart is related to all three items of music on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, a bass and Isakadze. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Today's story is about an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
I remember today Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for RD, Marina Kondratyeva. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:22, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
She's on the Main page now. My story today is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about Die Entführung aus dem Serail, opera by Mozart, while yesterday's was - because of the TFA - about Les contes d'Hoffmann, opera by Offenbach, - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
I had no idea there was any possibility of truth to the "too many notes" remark! Well it certainly seems doubtful, I thought it was entirely the invention of the Amadeus movie. Aza24 (talk) 19:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
It certainly predates Amadeus, I think it was already mentioned in my music reader at school. I don't care, actually, as long as it gets readers interested in the music ;) - I discovered today the 1977 Kupfer version on yt. There are many notes in the piece which I recently saw in the theatre where Idomeneo premiered (click on "music"), take the long introduction before the soprano even begins to sing "Martern aller Arten" (tortures of all kinds). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Today's story is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially View from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Manhattan, 9/11, yesterday's was a great mezzo, and on Thursday we watched a sublime ballerina. If that's not enough my talk offers the chamber music from two amazing concerts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
... and today's story begins with Psalm 124, paraphrased in 1524, and put to five (!) chorale settings in one cantata by Bach in 1724, for this Sunday. Nominated for GA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Just a look at music (on my talk) shows remembrance of three people who died, and creating an article or improving one is all I can do. Three are on the Main page today, and three others planned ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Such an early death too! How sad... Aza24 (talk) 21:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Yes. Wikipedia:Main Page history/2024 July 30b will have a baritone, a violinist, a composer and a Bach cantata, - almost too much, and the composer's article, Wolfgang Rihm, should be better, help wanted. - Plenty of music on my parents anniversary day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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