User talk:ARoseWolf/Archive 2

QAI

I tried to give 2021 a good start by updating the QAI project topics. Please check and correct. For moar private "happy new year" see here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:46, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy Wikipedia 20, - proud of a little bit on the Main page today, and 5 years ago, and 10 years ago, look: create a new style - revive - complete! I sang in the revival mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Published

Hey! I published the thing. See Historic settlements of the Cherokee. Feel free to give it the once-over. Any improvements appreciated. I hope I didn't get anything too wrong. GenQuest ^"scribble" 17:04, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

GenQuest: You just made my day extra special! I would be more than honored to look over what you have published. I've been watching it despite my less active participation as of late. You have done fantastic work with the article and I am very confident it is a great contribution to the encyclopedia. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

GenQuest ^"scribble" 20:38, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

AfD

Your contributions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anger (song), particularly If you can't take it back at you then don't bring it in the first place. Buh bye, now. Have a nice day!, seem to fall short of the standards at Wikipedia:Civility. The concerns of the other editors were reasonable. Please follow the recommendations at Wikipedia:Civility#Avoiding incivility more closely in the future. Thanks. Enterprisey (talk!) 03:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

• Enterprisey I have no issue with what Sergecross73 did. Your opinion is what it is, however, if you feel it is within Wikipedia's code that the first words an editor here ever says to another editor is Just wondering, do you post this same paragraph at every deletion discussion? Honestly, I don't see the point of that, as it doesn't demonstrate that you've actually looked into the specific article up for discussion without me being able to respond, to their personal attack, then I really don't have anything else to say to you. We are on different planets in regards to civility and social practices. I would never approach someone in that manner even if I believed it was the case. I assume by your presence here that you also agree with the editor that I should have simply acknowledged, or even ignored, my initial comment to your vote, but you chose not to, and then you chose to use my signature for reasons still unclear to me, which I still ask you to explain. Why should I have to be the one to ignore an attack? Why should I have to simply acknowledge? Is it because I am a woman? Is it because I am fairly new? Is there a hierarchy here that I am unaware of where more seasoned editors can go around tearing down the hard work of other less experienced editors at their fancy without fear of reprisal? Also, mind you, I never said the word incompetence. That was the one you are supporting here. I simply said that others keep proving to me that they don't understand Wikipedia's notability requirements. They implied I meant people are incompetent. That is not the case. Wikipedia's notability requirements are intentionally vague and hard to decipher. Creating and editing articles here is a proverbial minefield. I have already had one person contact me not knowing that the notability requirements even said half of what I presented and thanked me for pointing them in that direction. It speaks more about Wikipedia and not its editors that the guidelines are so vague and do not clearly dictate what should and should not be included that it turns the AfD process into a temporal moment of mob rule in which you only have to get more people to side with your cause, whichever it may be, to either keep an article or delete it in most cases. It has less to do with content and more to do the support or personal affinity to the subject material. Anytime you want to come back to my talk page and discuss that I will listen. I will not entertain this draconian idea that I can be attacked at will but can not respond in defense of myself. I went for the sarcastic approach to keep from being uncivil in my words but I will not be talked to in a demeaning manner less befitting a child without responding. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 14:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

talk page stalking led me to read that AfD. Wow. I can't believe editors attacked your vote. You are perfectly civil and they are what they are. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 06:08, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

DiamondRemley39, I looked again and I stand by what I said. While Lennart97's messages could've been rephrased and the hangup about copying/pasting the signature was strange, the messages were not uncivil, whereas You did it because you like to throw your opinions at others and get offended when they respond to you in kind is clearly assuming bad faith and is contrary to a good working environment. Enterprisey (talk!) 10:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

A few sentences she wrote that examine the rather dense notability-sourcing requirement have been criticized beyond what I have ever seen. It is civil for someone to pick on her policy-aligned vote because they don't like it's style? No. Is it civil to tell them not to write like that in other discussions? No. That's a civility issue right there. So is her being accused if accusing other users of incompetence and the point to bad faith. She explained her choice to write as she does on request, though she didn't have to. She repeatedly said she was done with it, but now she's being accused of incivility. I'm not surprised that my support of my fellow editor didn't change your opinion. Do you think your reiterating your point again on this talk page would change mine? I would think not. Let's leave it. It's a waste of time for all parties. Don't ping me again. The closest I am coming to this drama is to be a supportive, civil talk page stalker. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 12:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Followup

I'd like to apologize for not acknowledging the issues with the other editor's behavior at User talk:Tsistunagiska/Archive 2#AfD. That discussion was the wrong place for a criticism like that, and it was worded in a condescending way. I thought I was above the mistake of treating editors with longer tenure better, but obviously not. I resolve to do better in the future. AfD's rules (often unwritten) and the notability guidelines are indeed vague and difficult to navigate; I'm sure the people who work on them would appreciate feedback on the particularly confusing parts at WT:NOTABILITY, if you had the time. Thanks, and apologies again. Enterprisey (talk!) 08:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Enterprisey I've made tons of mistakes in my brief time here. I get very passionate about certain topics and passion is a great thing but also gets me in trouble often. I have to watch that closely. I believe I have made strides to do that here but also keep my edge which is part of who I am. Thus my sarcastic responses to offensive rhetoric thrown my way. I take the time to thoroughly investigate, as much as possible, every potential AfD. My responses to those AfD's changes depending on what I find. On that particular day I had run into those claiming that their project deserved special treatment in regards to the notability guideline. My response was to show them just how discriminatory but equal the basic notability guideline is. It doesn't show preferential treatment. We are the biased ones, not the guideline. We created SNG's specific to projects which create an imbalance in the encyclopedia. Look no further than the SNG on academia WP:PROF. It clearly says it is the sole source for notability of those in academia. If a person does not pass those criteria then we are to use WP:N as a guideline for inclusion. That creates an elite project within the encyclopedia that discriminates against all other projects. Why is an academic scholar with a University bio and a few journal entries treated as notable? Under WP:N those journals would be considered primary works and not even about the professor in question, only by them. They can receive almost no significant coverage about them in any reliable sources but are simply notable because they are a professor, scholar or academic. We created that caste system, not Wikipedia itself. I will definitely look at adding my thoughts on notability and the guidelines in discussion at WT:NOTABILITY. The one thing I have realized is none of us are above anything but most of us can achieve more than we are. I have learned I have to take things in that perspective in order for me to be the most effective I can be. I don't know you well but I believe you to be a quality editor. You have given me no reason to think otherwise. You don't owe me an apology but in the interest of good faith I will accept it. --ARoseWolf 14:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Tsistunagiska, I just wanted briefly to thank you, however briefly, for your really helpful input here. Recent editing by Montanabw has allayed my own concerns there. Many thanks again, both to you and Montanabw. Much appreciated! 86.138.231.127 (talk) 20:15, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks

Although we have had our disagreements, I appreciate your reasoned inputs at numerous recent AFDs. As you correctly note, SIGCOV in multiple RS is the prime determinant of notability, not whatever we may think of the underlying reason for that SIGCOV. regards Mztourist (talk) 09:31, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Mztourist I had to go through a process to understand that Wikipedia isn't my enemy that I have to try and defeat by defending subjects I like. As I wrote on my User Page, I don't need my favorite topic or subject to have a Wikipedia page to feel accomplished. I understand and respect the various Wiki:Projects we have here. They have their place but I don't believe I will be doing advocacy for any of them anytime soon. The inconsistencies to me are not gaps in subject coverage but in the rules themselves. Its very difficult for new editors to navigate the rules here and most burn out quickly because of it. Some stick around and most wear down to the point they simply have no will to ensure clear and concise rules are followed in regard to inclusion based on specific and direct criteria. Overtime the consensus becomes closer to IAR than GNG when I don't believe the intention was ever to ignore rules but compromises were made to allow for more inclusion. The issue is that the encyclopedia was never made to follow precise rules to begin with so we never got a starting point by which to measure the success of the policies. We think success is in numbers of views and hits to pages but that's a poor indication of success. That's why we don't allow that as criteria for notability. --ARoseWolf 17:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I really sympathize with you on these comments, Tsistunagiska, and those you made on the WiR talk page. When the weather improves a bit up there, you might find it useful to put together a proposal on how to improve article acceptance or at least a few suggestions on how to progress on specific issues such as notability. It might all seem very frustrating to you and the other new editors you refer to but I am convinced that it will only be on the basis of step-by-step improvements that progress will be made. I very much hope your own initial enthusiasm will not be completely set back by your discovery of ever more incompatible guidelines. But for the time being, just put a few more logs on those open fires and enjoy the Arctic cold. And talking about the far north, you might find it interesting to listen to the BBC's podcasts on The New Arctic].--Ipigott (talk) 11:36, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Ipigott woke up to -37F/-38C this morning. Will most likely see mid -40's the end of this week into next week for high temps and close to -50 for lows. --ARoseWolf 17:47, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Ebs Akintade deleted!

Hello I’m Ebs Akintade (Presenter) and my Wikipedia page got deleted before I could add the links for all the work I’ve done. What can I do now? Ebuaki (talk) 08:28, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Ebuaki I would try to get tips from the teahouse on creating articles. I know it can be frustrating. The rules are seemingly all over the place and its hard to keep up with. Similar subjects with less or similar sources may be kept at AFD while yours is deleted and no one can really tell you why except to say "consensus" which is code for "they don't really know why the hell either so they counted the votes". Rules and guidelines and how they are applied are not consistent from AfD to AfD. All I can say is to try very hard to review what are reliable sources here on Wikipedia and stick to those as sources until you can get a better feel for what other online and offline sources may be reliable. It's not all doom and gloom. Just keep plugging away and maybe one day we will be considered "experienced" enough that our voices matter here too. Much love and genuinely wish success for you. :-) --ARoseWolf 17:58, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

E: You should consider putting a suggestion for the article up at AfC. Let others write the article. Writing an article about yourself usually won't fly very far here and is not looked upon with kind eyes on Wikipedia. Several such articles are deleted every day. For one thing, you are too close to the subject, and for another thing, you are probably unclear on important guidelines and policy matters such as NOTABILITY; RELIABLE SOURCING; COI; What Wikipedia is NOT; VANITY; and so many more important guidelines to article creation. Regards (your friendly neighborhood talk-page watcher), GenQuest ^"scribble" 19:42, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Ricky Allman AFD

Could you please review Ricky Allman AFD one more time. I have added new information, such as museum exhibitions and Harvard Business Review citation. I feel these may change your mind.Webmaster862 (talk) 05:26, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Webmaster862 I am genuinely sorry I missed this. I wish I could have been here and looked at it. If you feel you have reliable sources you can always recreate the article but it will probably be tested again so make those sources solid like the rebar of a foundation and I wish success for you in your efforts no matter what. --ARoseWolf 18:01, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

The same NPOL Problems

Do you remember this conversation we had? Now take a look at this AFD & observe how editors mistake “presumed” for “guaranteed” even though a before search clearly shows the subject to be not notable. THAT NPOL needs a complete overhaul is an understatement. Celestina007 (talk) 21:57, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Connie Redbird Pinkerman-Uri

Hello, Tsistunagiska. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:Connie Redbird Pinkerman-Uri, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Draft space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for article space.

If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion under CSD G13. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it. You may request userfication of the content if it meets requirements.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. Bot0612 (talk) 06:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

User:Bot0612 It has been edited as of today.

Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:32, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

February flowers

happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

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An apology

I'd like to apologise for my behaviour on Talk:Cherokee calendar. In my zeal to protect indigenous American cultures from Western misinterpretation, I ended up speaking over actual native voices. I also apologise for taking so long to make this apology. Midnight-Blue766 (talk) 02:03, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

• @Midnight-Blue766: No apology necessary. I appreciate your zeal for native cultures and it is exactly what is needed to continue to present the voices of our ancestors in a world that is constantly trying to marginalize them by adding in New Age thoughts and philosophies and passing them off as the beliefs of the people. Keep up the good work. --ARoseWolf 14:17, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Amen! GenQuest ^"scribble" 17:32, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Baseline, solid foundation

I think your statement we need a baseline, solid foundation actually realtes to my complaining about attempts to grandfather things into Wikipedia. I wish I had not run with the allusions to the history of the term, especially since I failed to explain them in a way that made them clear to others. Wikipedia started out in a very sorry shape of not including sources in articles, free for all article creation, and some related issues. Things have improved some, but that fact that someone was able to nominate about 70 articles that had been without sources since their creation in 2007 is very disturbing. Some of these articles also illustrate the fact that early on Wikipedia had a lot of stuff that belonged in a dictionary, not in an encyclopedia.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert: My comments will always stand on their own. I don't generally fall into any category. I'm quite unpredictable in life and I like keeping that edge every where I go. One area I do agree with is a strong foundation. No grandfather clauses. Make everything adhere to one concise policy for inclusion and then once that is in place we can have a discussion on where compromises can be made to allow certain subjects to be included. We will still face an uphill climb on determining what is reliable and what is multiple but we would have the foundation to fall back on. --ARoseWolf 18:03, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

We have made some progress. Our coverage of subjects from the works of Tolkien has majorly improved. Some other topics though people seem to want to cling onto guidelines that in no way predict the likelihood of the topic passing GNG. At present the generalized subject that may have had the most deletion nominations, clearly this year at least, is cricket players. Those who involved a lot of refusal to even try to identify how the subject meets GNG. At one point I tried with some articles on Catholic bishops. The thing was people almost always found some sourcing, they just had been too lazy to include it when creating the articles. Then of course there were the two deletion discussions on Ulisses Soares. That was one of the few cases where I have seen someone argue that someone who got a bunch of coverage in multiple sources was not notable. I dug up coverage from at least 3 countries, in 3 languages. I suspect there is more that I did not find.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:31, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Johnpacklambert, the main issue we face as an encyclopedia is this idea of a 'consensus of editors'. Consensus is being replaced with a mob. We should never, ever, ever, ever have articles of similar subjects with similar sourcing, perhaps even the same sourcing, where you have one kept and one deleted simply because on one AfD more people voted to 'keep' and on the other more voted to 'delete'. That is not a consensus based on any principled foundational standards. That is simply a mob rule. I'm not saying it will destroy or kill Wikipedia. I may be somewhat naïve but not that naïve. What it will most definitely do is keep Wikipedia from reaching the full potential that it can be. WP:N very clearly states that SIGCOV in reliable sources does NOT, on its own, make a guarantee a subject is notable. Yet we have countless articles that are kept simply because they have a reliable source about a birthday cake, a source about them going to Universial and how they enjoyed the Transformers ride in, maybe a source of how they called some other celebrity and a few politicians by some nasty names, they may have 45 tik-tok videos and call themselves an influencer and, oh yeah, they have a million subscribers on YouTube who enjoy watching them make videos using the cat filter on snapchat and telling everyone how sucky the world is and we need to hate everything but love everyone that thinks like us. Why the hell does that person deserve a Wikipedia article? Only because they scream the loudest and have a great publicist that gets their face and birthday cake in the mainstream? A consensus should never overrule common sense foundational policies. That's what Wikipedia needs. Wikipedia prides itself on the structural integrity of it's precious committee(s) and administrative processes but it seriously is like Nero fiddling in his palace while Rome burns. Rome is still here and Wikipedia will still be here but a lot of potential benefits will be lost along the way simply because certain ones couldn't stomach the work it would take to implement the changes needed to give the encyclopedia the foundation it deserves. --ARoseWolf 13:16, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

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April thanks

wild garlic

Thank you for the inspiration of your Life stories! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:44, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

• Gerda Arendt, you are too kind (lol). I appreciate you. So much to do that it really taxes me but I try to get on here if for no other reason than to encourage, even if we disagree. Between the constant work it is to maintain this place and now adding that we have taken over management of the "resort" around the lake and the floatplane base and it becomes even more difficult. I will always find a way to do something here on wikipedia. My morning routine this time of year consists of waking up around one or two o'clock in the morning. I make a warm cup of tea and enjoy the morning sounds on the deck outside and some meditation. Then I find my way here to check in on my wiki-friends and do a little wiki-work. Usually around sunrise I will take a break and spend some time outside with my yoga and dancing/singing my morning songs. I'll then consult my daily schedule for meals and start prep for that. May take a nap in-between. Usually around nine or ten o'clock I will sit down and type a little more in my journals or some more of my memoirs/book. Of course wikipedia is up and I am writing or responding here. Then around eleven or twelve o'clock I am cooking lunch and dinner for the day. I will log on here after that and do a little more but then the rest of the day is work and spending with my family. I will finish my day's around the homestead with journal entries and reading books or playing games with my daughter (that she dreams up most of the time). --ARoseWolf 12:32, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

AGF

I am assuming good faith in your recent moving of comments I made at AfD. Please do not alter or move my comments again. They were specifically put under your original note as a response to your comment, not my own !vote. Moving them under my !vote takes the comment out of perspective. Thank you. --ARoseWolf 14:38, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello! @Tsistunagiska:, your comments have not in any way been altered.
Your note was simply moved for clarity, and to avoid the appearance of a chat page. Diastinaut (talk) 14:54, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Diastinaut:, I added my note where it was intended to go and with a purpose. Moving them is not your call or place. You do not own that specific AfD nor do you have the authority to alter the flow or order of what was written without the express permission of the participants themselves. I kindly asked that you not alter or move my comments on your talk page in the effort to resolve a dispute outside the AfD so as to keep it about the subject matter and assumed good faith on your part in regards to the action itself. In discussions there will always be back-and-forth so your intention to avoid the appearance of a chat page is irrelevant. --ARoseWolf 15:15, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello again @Tsistunagiska:
This is already understood. It seems clear that the subject also has support on English WP, and will very likely survive consensus.
From my experience, it appears to be just another vanity article, however I could be wrong this time. Diastinaut (talk) 15:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Diastinaut: - Why was this conversation removed from your talk page and added to mine? I am still assuming good faith on your part but the editing and moving of comments to fit your own personal formats is really bothering me. The AfD is meant to be a bullet discussion. No where and under any policy does it dictate the size or formatting outside that criteria. Users are not to edit or format another user's comments unless the bullet discussion criteria is not met. This off-AfD discussion was originated at your talk page to resolve a dispute on the AfD of an article you nominated. It should have stayed at your talk page. --ARoseWolf 16:41, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Tsistunagiska: Please note that there will be no further WP:AFD discussion on my talk page. The AFD discussion is limited strictly to the discussion page. All notes (including comments) should be in small text for clarity. Only reasons for voting should be full size text, to prevent the distinction between voting and discussion from becoming blurred. Many thanks! Diastinaut (talk) 17:20, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Diastinaut: That is not you call to make. You are not the authority on Wikipedia. You are altering and editing other users comments. If you want to blank your own talk page then that is fine but moving comments and conversations to other users talk pages and altering the format of users comments to fit your own personal views of how a discussion should be is not within your purview. What you are doing is a clear violation of English Wikipedia policy and accepted practices. --ARoseWolf 17:28, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Tsistunagiska: Please read through the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. I do not make the rules. I do however keep my talk page blank, so (for your benefit) I moved your comments here. If you wish to delete them, that is up to you of course. If you wish to discuss the matter further, please feel free to do so on the discussion page. In my opinion, everyone in the discussion thusfar has already made their case for or against deletion. So now we have only 6 more days to wait. It already appears that the article will remain, so I would not worry too much. Diastinaut (talk) 17:41, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Diastinaut: Please do not treat me like an petulant child. I have consulted the "rules", as you call them, many times and no where in them does it state what you are doing is correct. In fact, it suggests not reducing font sizes within the same article and only reserving it for special circumstances. While I appreciate you thinking about me, I respectfully ask that you not alter my comments or move them in any way going forward. If you do so then you will be warned for disruptive behavior and if it continues I will seek admin assistance, for your benefit of course. --ARoseWolf 17:56, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

That was not my intention. We can all work together to keep the discussion from getting messy. In any case, I am signing out for the day. I will check back after a week to see the result, but it really doesn't matter for me one way or another, it's nothing personal. Have a nice evening! Diastinaut (talk) 18:19, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

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May thanks

Thank you for improving articles in May! ... and for improving editor interactions!! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Munay-ki article nominated for deletion

Hello—I've nominated the article about Munay-ki for deletion, and thought you might be interested in weighing in: Munay-ki AfD. Suomichris (talk) 15:21, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar

For this. It reminded me of my own grandfather — who was also my best friend — in his twilight years. He lived alone and I would go see him at the end of day when I was in university once or twice a week. On easier days, every day of the week. We would drink tea and watch the sunset, sitting on comfortable chairs. He was fond of discussing "the market", talking about the adventures he had while traveling the world, and how we should never stop fighting for the "good" in this world. He would still look forward to adventures of the future, and they did come to him: like the time he chased off a burglar who was trying to break in; he could not walk all that well by then, but he had all the spirits (and weapons) he needed. Even when he got too old and sick to get up on his own, he was just as passionate in his heart and just as hopeful for the future as he was when he was a little younger. There was never a day when he was not a kind soul. I miss him dearly. My userpage and username are references to the two essential things he taught me — the power of hope and the importance of comfortable chairs! You brought back a lot of fond memories I have of him and I thank you for that. — The Most Comfortable Chair 17:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• The Most Comfortable Chair, tears!! This has blessed me beyond words. I love the relationship you had with your grandfather. More than anything I love that you listened. His Song is in you because you took the time to learn it and allow it to impress in you the human essence that IS your grandfather. He lives through you, hope remains. What an amazing adventure he lived. It has inspired me. Thank you.

• Chairs...um, my adopted parents, who were my father's brother and his wife (my aunt), never raised their voices at each other. When I say never, I mean never. They had disagreements but if it ever lasted more than a few hours then they had a provision for this. They had a chair. It was a very comfortable chair. Its only purpose was for disputes. Anytime they had a disagreement that couldn't be resolved easily they would go to the chair (As we grew up we were subjected to the provision as well). There were a few rules for the chair. Rule 1: Be Respectful ~ Limited "colorful" words, No raising your voice above a calm level. Rule 2: Pay attention ~ No interruptions, You have two ears for a reason. So Listen. Rule 3: Once in the chair you could not leave the chair without a resolution with few exceptions. I miss that chair. I miss them. So many Song's that have greatly impacted my journey. Thank you for sharing. --ARoseWolf 17:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

I cherish the time we got to spend together — I see a lot of him in me now and that makes me happy.

It is not so easy to handle conflicts between loved ones, because a lot of them are on delicate and passionate matters. Your folks truly seem remarkable. They had a great system in place to manage that; their calm and level-headed approach is especially commendable. I believe that we learn a lot more from the way people conduct themselves than we do from what they say. The way we think, and the words that we express — their lives reflect in all of that, and they are always with us. We can become a whole lot of things on our own, as it usually goes, but we can always find reflections of the "good" that we got to experience from people around us. And I believe that you channel a lot of their "good" through your kindness. I will try to implement the time-out chair system in my family, thank you for sharing your story. — The Most Comfortable Chair 19:41, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

The Most Comfortable Chair, I enforce it now. Funny, I used to hate it as a kid. Wouldn't trade it for the world now. --ARoseWolf 20:36, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

A long time ago, I came across this poem. It may have been written for a younger audience, but it is one of my favorites. For both us perhaps, chairs also hold a great nostalgic value. — The Most Comfortable Chair 08:27, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf

go outside

Welcome to your real name! Quote from the dialogue from "outside": "Good idea. Hard to get wrapped up in wiki arguments while stopping and smelling the roses..." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: It might please you to know that I am sitting outside as we "speak" here. I recommend always stopping to smell the roses and paying attention to details as we walk through life. I seek and usually find even the slightest changes around me. I marvel at them as one might who has been veiled in darkness but is given the gift of light. I stand in awe at the simplest of details as I imagine one would, who has lived their entire life among the grasses and trees, when first gazing at the ferocity and vastness of the ocean from a high cliff. Colors surrounding us, sounds like waves passing through us, smells breathed in deeply, the textures of the earth beneath our feet and in our hands, all coming together to give us true sight and understanding. We look out upon the earth and wonder at its beauty, and truly it is, but we rarely look at ourselves and see the beauty in us, our condition, our existence, our Song. It is normal to look outward, see the splendor of the earth and be moved by it but looking inside and finding rare details within us can be just as adventurous and just as moving. See what I see. We are each beautiful, wonderful and awe inspiring, humanity. Thank you for my rose. :-) --ARoseWolf 14:34, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

great poetry, thank you - the rose fits you well, bold (and many) colours, including those of your signature - for more bold colours see my talk today, but you probably did already ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I always visit your talk to see what beautiful and inspiring colours may reveal themselves to me. --ARoseWolf 15:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

So I don't even have to tell you: see my talk today, - it's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true, and that the picture is shown on the Main page on a meaningful day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Congrats on the name change Tsis .. errr, I mean A Rose Wolf. Hopefully this will please your aunt. :-) — Ched (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ched: Thank you! I thought about adding an explanation of the significance of my name but I kind of like a small bit of mystery surrounding it. I will say that "A" is the first letter of my Anglicized birth name and my adopted name so that is where the "A" comes from. One can figure out "Rose" if they simply look at the definition of the name you started to call me. The "Wolf" we shall leave for another time and place. It does not come from my mothers people, yet a life experience I had with wolves that might just find its way into print one day. In regards to my aunt, she will most likely never know anything I do here but I will and that's what matters to me. --ARoseWolf 15:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

American Idol Live

Ritchie333 I wanted to bring my discussion here because I'm not saying either party is right but I wanted clarity on something and, really, any of my admin or long tenured wiki-friends can comment but, the other day I ran across a suspected edit war/disruptive edit in which an editor added something to an existing article that was sourced but controversial and I'm not really sure whether the source was considered reliable or not, I digress, the addition was contested and removed. This editor put it back in the article and was promptly reprimanded for not taking it to the talk page as it was contested. The article was restored to original state and a discussion was had in the talk page. In this article, you have information that was in the article and has been since 2010. Even though it is unsourced it is considered a stable article having been there for 11 years now. It was removed, initially, contested and reverted back to its stable state. The editor that reverted it to its last stable state attempted to add a source but that source is behind a paywall. The editor who initially removed the information promptly reverted the stable state back to their preferred version and the other editor was told not to edit war. How is this situation different from the former and how does one choose when something needs to go to the talk page and when not? If you applied the same across-the-board logic then the editor who initially made the change should have went to the talk page after it was contested rather than revert it to their preferred state. --ARoseWolf 18:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

In reality I would have slapped the both with a warning, Pillowdelight for reverting contested information rather than take it to the talk page and skaschep for reverting it twice rather than doing the same and possibly seeking admin support himself. Both were disruptive and didn't act in an interest of trying to foster good faith. --ARoseWolf 18:30, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I missed the ping for some reason (although it might have come in when I was taking a break for a few days), but the underlying scope is that I was directly asked to say something in the dispute in an administrative role, and per WP:ADMINACCT I felt I should say something. It's possible they wanted my involvement because I've written a lot of music articles, but I'm not so familiar with any pop released in the last 15 years or so. (I think that's just what happens when you get older, to be honest). So I tried to explain some points of view, and then got Ashley involved, simply because they're more familiar with any newish pop music, in the hope that everyone could reach an understanding. I'm generally loathe to dish out warnings unless somebody is very obviously sticking their fingers in their ears and not listening to anything - two editors with a diverging point of view isn't really something that ought to require any admin action. Of course, it depends on the context - if I see somebody write "YOU SUCK" in a large font on an article, I'll pick them up by the scruff of their neck and boot them out without any further comment. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:27, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: Definitely not worth making a fuss over. Sometimes I go into a mode where I analyze things deeper than they probably should be. My brothers usually nod and then go back to doing their thing. I ponder a lot. Maybe it's the excessive time I have or just my desire to absorb information and process it, I do not know, but I find that once I process it then whatever concerns I had usually just melt away like the snow in summer. It's when it doesn't go away that I begin to compare and contrast it with the personal philosophies and principles of life according to Asareel. That could be very dangerous so I limit exposure as much as possible. ;) --ARoseWolf 14:39, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

"My brothers usually nod and then go back to doing their thing." It's a guy thing. "Are you listening to me?" "mmm..." "ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME?" "Yes, dear." "So what did I say?" "You want me to go to the shops, make sure we get some of the nice white wine as well, and no asparagus this time, and fresh tomatoes from the market, not the tinned ones from the corner shop." "*harrumph*" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:48, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: Totally a guy thing. They listen, and most of the time they do what we ask, even if only. We are outnumbered up here with it just being my sister-in-law, my niece, my daughter and myself compared to both brothers, my daughter's father, my two nephews, Jack, our trainer and guide and, the floatplane pilots, both guys. Although one of the pilots is talking about possibly moving his wife here during the summer so that might even it out a little more. I am still queen of my mountain (lol). --ARoseWolf 15:16, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

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New Look!

Hey! I suspect the spring thaw is on in Alaska, as you have come out of hibernation ready to go: New Name, New Page design! You are looking good my friend. Stay peaceful and have a great sunny season. Regards, GenQuest ^"scribble" 15:11, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

@GenQuest: A few changes never hurt :). I'll probably change colours again in a few months but blue seemed to be calling to me for now. Anyway, I haven't forgotten about merging articles, I am slowly working on infoboxing Protected Areas (Glaciers, Mountain, Rivers and Lakes). I check AfD's once a day and might comment or assess one or two. I saw the one you nominated and decided to take a look. It was a good nomination. We can't evaluate the effectiveness or lack of it when articles are allowed to stay because we think they belong or we like them being here, especially in regards to BLP's. --ARoseWolf 16:32, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

New one

Hey! If you get a chance, check out Kimberly Norris Guerrero. I want to take it to DYK Monday if possible. What are your thoughts? I value your opinion on such articles. Thanks in advance, GenQuest ^"scribble" 20:08, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@GenQuest: This is good! Have you decided on a hook yet? --ARoseWolf 12:20, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Can't find a citation for the Standing Cloud film? --ARoseWolf 12:28, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I think if you are only making statements about what roles she played or what shows/movies she appeared in or directed then it is okay to use IMDb or some other site that only confirms roles. I think notability is met per the other reliably sourced content. Readers can make up their own mind. --ARoseWolf 12:40, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for having a look. I haven't thought of a good hook yet. The Standing Cloud (her birth name, BTW) film is evading me, and IMDb is rarely allowed in the article body. Same with finding RS on an apparent sister (maybe half-sister) of hers who is also an actress, and indications of at least one brother in her adopted family. There should also be an article on the Cherokee Name for Water film. Apparently a noted and well-received film, but one that has no article. Maybe something you'd care to do? (I won't be able to get to it for a bit, but will eventually if you don't have the time.) Now that I am officially retired (Yay!!), it seems that I'm busier than ever. Speaking of which, I now have to get to work. Bye, for now. GenQuest ^"scribble" 15:08, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Good to know and congrats on your retirement. Stay busy but also make time to slow down. :) I'll look at writing an article for the film. --ARoseWolf 15:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt, Ched, and Ritchie333: You are well more seasoned than I am at this. Do you agree if notability has been established and the information is purely to list roles of the individual in film and theater and not personal biographical information then sources like IMDb can be used? --ARoseWolf 15:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Personally I would look somewhere else for a ref. WP:BLP requirements are pretty strict, and IMDb isn't really considered a reliable source [1]. sorry. — Ched (talk) 15:37, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

STAAAAAHP apologizing (lol), Ched. I asked for opinions for that exact reason. GenQuest is the creator, major editor of the article. I think I added the VIAF ID as part of the Authority Control so far (lol). I see Gen added the IMDb at the bottom as an external reference which is the correct usage. I'll keep looking for citations. I noticed her mothers name was Standing Cloud somewhere but didn't know she was given that name too. Makes sense. When I was born I was given the name Rose as a middle name, obviously named after my mother, though I never grew up with it. My father only gave my first name to my grandmother when he took me to Italy, maybe it caused him too much pain, idk. As far as we know my grandmother never told my uncle and aunt what my birth name was. The fact he did give her my first name at birth and she wrote it in her journals was crucial to me finding out about my past, prior to Italy. --ARoseWolf 16:01, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm having a look at seeing if I can source the remaining tagged claims in the article, and then if I can cite enough to ensure notability is met. From a standing start, it's not looking promising though, I get zero hits in a Google News search, and for somebody who's supposed to be notable in the modern internet age, that's a bit of an alarm bell. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:43, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Cherokee moons article

Hi there. Care to help me revamp the article so that we don't have to rely on a fake tribe and a commercial site? Also I think it would be respectful to include both dialects in current use. Indigenous girl (talk) 20:42, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, Cherokee calendar, lol. My spoon drawer is almost depleted and I am not braining well :) Indigenous girl (talk) 20:46, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Indigenous girl, you don't have to apologize. I am worn down from the discussions on St. Joseph's so I understand. I removed most of the Cherokee articles off my watchlist after discussing the situation with my family in Oklahoma. They actually suggested I not edit here, period, but I can't just walk away. I feel extremely bad for some of my past edits, even if they were founded in good intentions. So, of course, I will assist you in getting the facts corrected and properly sourced. I find the treatment of my ancestors to be horrific. I know you feel the same and possibly faced it yourself. I don't want that message to be lost. So I'm kind of defying my aunts wishes anyway. I hope she understands. --ARoseWolf 20:55, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't want to get you in trouble with your Auntie!!! I can do it myself, it simply means it will get done later rather than sooner :) Indigenous girl (talk) 22:13, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Indigenous girl No, no, I want to do it. I would love nothing more than to collaborate with you and get this fixed. I'm not very familiar with the Giduwa dialect. I will start by finding other sources rather than the fake tribe and then find a sources to use instead of the commercial site. Then focus on getting sources to add the other dialect. --ARoseWolf 12:10, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Indigenous girl I think I found it in my material from Western Carolina. Then I found a source when I searched for unolvtana. It's from another university, Western Washington University? Never heard of it but it matchs the material I have from WCU. It's also found in several books with one book misappropriating it as Iroquoian and spoken by those living in the US State of North Carolina. --ARoseWolf 12:31, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

This is the language site for EBCI https://www.cherokeelanguage.org/ I think it would be most helpful :) I'll gather a few more a bit later, I need to seriously get some work done on a project I'm working on. Indigenous girl (talk) 16:02, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

@Indigenous girl: Perfect, thank you! I hope you get everything accomplished that you need to on the project you are working on. --ARoseWolf 17:14, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Tools

The "cite unseen" tool (also known as "how to spot a BLP violating source at ten paces") can be installed by going to Special:MyPage/common.js and copy and paste this:

importScript('User:SuperHamster/CiteUnseen.js');

I believe Atsme has further information on the script, and how best to use it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: Ooooooo, thank you. I have a tool in my belt now. :) --ARoseWolf 14:38, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

CiteUnseen is synced with WP:RSP and shows little icons in the Ref section of an article. There's also a script by User:Headbomb/unreliable - another useful tool that uses highlight colors. I use the 2 together. Headbomb's script follows everywhere, whereas CiteUnseen is limited to the Ref section. Atsme 💬 📧 15:04, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ritchie333 and Atsme: I just hope I'm doing it right. Followed the instructions above. I'm not so tech savvy. Put me in a dog sled or task me with scaling a mountain and I'm there. ;-P --ARoseWolf 15:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Another one I really like is:

importScript('User:Gary/comments in local time.js');

It does exactly what you would expect it to do. Obviously in the UK the UTC default it's merely annoying seven months in the year, and then actually correct for the other five, but for anywhere else, doing the mental arithmetic to get back to UTC is a pain in the neck. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

June 2021

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Talk:St. Joseph's Indian School. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 20:30, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Elizium23, excuse you? Throwing stones in a glass house much? --ARoseWolf 20:40, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

I believe that WP:RGW applies here. Elizium23 (talk) 20:41, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Elizium23, no one is stopping you from pulling back if that's what you want to do. ;) --ARoseWolf 20:43, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Are you insinuating that I have a conflict of interest here? Elizium23 (talk) 20:44, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Elizium23, you mean bad faith like you insinuating that I view the school as intrinsically evil? Not at all. Only you know if you have a COI in this case. I am going to walk away from this and take a real walk. The clear air may do some good. Have a nice rest of your day. I will state that I don't believe you have edited in bad faith even if we disagree on the talk page. --ARoseWolf 21:01, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for your efforts

		The Original Barnstar
		Awarded for your many quality additions to and discussions on articles in the category of Indigenous peoples of the Americas. Awarded by Cdjp1 (talk) 17:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Cdjp1. I apologize for not getting back to you sooner but I haven't felt well as of late. I appreciate your recognition, immensely, though I feel like I can never do enough to bring awareness of issues related to Indigenous peoples and cultures. I was taken away from that part of my heritage when I was still very small. I don't even remember my mother though. it may seem kind of weird but, I do remember her singing beside my crib. Or maybe she visited me as I was growing up and sat beside me as I slept, singing her songs over me. That's a nice thought. A comfort in itself, to know that my darkest days may still have contained something as sweet as an encounter with the woman who gave so much, her life even, that I might live. It also inspires me not to give up, never to give up, on the beauty of the world around me. Today may be a fight just to breathe but its worth the fight to see the snow-capped mountains bathed in sunlight, to hear the birds chirping their melodies and the sight and smell of vast evergreen forests filling the air with the scent of fir and spruce. The wild flowers in bloom in the meadows with their vibrant colours are simply gorgeous but the most beautiful things to me are the interactions with my fellow humanity. Thank you again for your kindness and for the recognition. --ARoseWolf 13:28, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

June thanks

Thank you for improving articles in June, with some impressions of places, flowers and music for you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

I send these going over WP:QAI, and saw that your rosy wild name is not there yet, - want to do that yourself? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, Absolutely :) --ARoseWolf 16:35, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Now you'll get two flowers, or what, one for Tsi and one for ARW ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I'll take a bouquet of those daisies. I love wild flowers. We put them in our braids sometimes. --ARoseWolf 13:09, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Now I imagine you braiding your hair putting flowers inside! - Back to the list: will you combine the two entries? (I don't have the courage to count how many are banned, blocked, left, - I don't need cheating by duplicate ;) ) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Right, yes, okay, I will combine them. Despite the fact that my brothers would agree that I have a few personalities I don't think including them all in the list really benefits what you are doing that much. ;) --ARoseWolf 13:33, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

love the idea that you help in different ideas ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Just another Aquarian free spirit. --ARoseWolf 13:45, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

great! - if you have time to listen to music, here's some played in March 2021 by friend GW and colleagues. He's - alterning with KS - doing introductions, mostly in English. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I am in love with that!! Tell Graham that he has a new friend in Alaska (lol). --ARoseWolf 14:16, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

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Checking on you

Did you get that burger? How're you doing? I got cut off at straight up 5 o'clock, no surprise. Today I did call my Senator and she's gonna see what she can do. So fingers crossed my situation will resolve. Sending sunshine and rainbows to you and hoping for positive news. SusunW (talk) 20:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, SusunW. I love that you have sun in your name. Maybe I will just call you Sunshine. Thank you for checking in on me. I haven't gotten that burger yet but I am being told it should happen soon. I was about to be discharged yesterday when preliminary results showed that I was positive for acute leukemia. This is an initial observation but the final results will reveal more. I'm okay for now but I will have to start treatments as soon as today and that requires a month of isolation after starting. I don't know what they will allow me to bring but I really hope I can keep this laptop. I work Wikipedia kind of like a job, mostly researching during the day and making adjustments as I go. This could throw off my entire schedule but, given the circumstances, its a minute inconvenience. The biggest issue could possibly be a bone marrow donor but we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Chin up, press forward! Life's adventures are in the details, so live it! --ARoseWolf 12:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Having walked the walk through cancer treatments, I can say that it wasn't fun but it wasn't as bad as I thought it might be. The most important thing was having an amazing support network of friends and family. I used WP like a job, as well, to give me a routine and relieve stress. One of the reasons I avoid conflict on here, it's job is to be a fun outlet for me. I love that you see this journey as an adventure. I did as well, I even posted that somewhere. Hang in there. With any adventure there are good parts and bad, but focusing on the beauty and the good things and life is the way to go. {{hugs}} (For what it's worth, the Senator was amazing. The license went in the mail last night!) SusunW (talk) 13:11, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@SusunW: Great news! I love it when it comes together and works out. It can be a struggle but the best things in life usually are. I'm going to climb my mountains again, very soon. --ARoseWolf 13:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

I thought of you when I took these today! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:07, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Gerda, I love those. They are so beautiful. I am thrilled that you were able to get outside. I will be able to again. I am determined. I didn't do as much today. I've been hurting a little so its taken my concentration. I had my second round of both treatments. They are giving me one for three days and the other for seven days simultaneously. Then I get a week off before starting again. I can tell I'm very sluggish and tire more easily as the day has went on. The doctors said I will have to do this for four months so it doesn't look like I will see my mountains for a while. They said I'm a very sick girl. That may be but I love life and I'm a fighter. They are going to let my daughter come see me next week for a few hours. She's been asking all kinds of questions. I want her to braid my hair before I lose it. It make take a few weeks for it to start falling out. I've had short hair before but never lost it. Thank you for sending me these flowers. --ARoseWolf 20:23, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I love the darker spots on the petals. Looks like a spider made a nice home in that bush too. Such a wonderous display of nature. I can smell the fragrance. The perfect gift. --ARoseWolf 20:28, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I braided and donated mine before it all fell out. Actually researched if that would be problematic and was told that it wouldn't. Having donated my hair to Locks of Love for over 30 years, I wanted to be sure if I couldn't do it again, I'd make the last one count. My sister braided it for me and we whacked it off. A friend from Japan was visiting and she took it back to the US to donate for me. SusunW (talk) 21:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

steps to take

Thought of you here yesterday, step by step, on a memorable day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Stand strong my friend

SusunW, you have no idea how thankful I am for you. Such an inspiration and I am grateful you came through your experience. I will probably have a lot more questions for you at some point. I did contact them about donating my hair. I let mine grow out and it is nearly down to the back of my knees so lots of it. I've had a couple of tired days, especially over the weekend, but that's not too uncommon for me. Feeling a bit of nervous energy too. I just think it is being where I am. It wears on me. I feel thin and stretched. Gerda Arendt, one step at a time but I am going to climb. Thank you for that reminder that its putting one foot in front of the other. I've faced so many challenges and probably shouldn't even be alive now but I am so I will do the most with the time I have and keep living, one minute at a time. GenQuest, thank you so much. Such a beautiful rose. It is precious to me. --ARoseWolf 13:11, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Canivet's emerald, (Chlorostilbon canivetii), a busy little hummingbird twittering about, feeding on scarlet jungleflame, enjoying life.

ARoseWolf Keeping you in my heart. Take one day at a time, look for the beautiful moments, cast aside the hard ones, and be kind to you. Listen to your body. Treatment is different for everyone in my experience, so sometimes, you need a break. Doesn't mean stopping or giving up, just a pause. If you need one, don't be afraid to ask. Adventures often mean shifting directions. I'm here if you need me. SusunW (talk) 13:48, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

I just saw this thread, and my thoughts and prayers are with you, ARoseWolf. My neighbor here on Bonaire had a similar diagnosis several years ago. In the beginning, he had his ups and downs, pretty much what you described, but the treatments have worked wonders for him and I pray it will all work-out well for you, too. He travels quite a bit these days - which in and of itself can be very fatiguing. When he arrives here from the US, he takes a few days to recoup, closely follows the doctor's instructions, and then off he goes to explore and enjoy island life. I wish you only the best, and share Gerda's & SusunW's sentiments. Think positive thoughts, sweetie.❤️ Atsme 💬 📧 14:53, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, I have always been good about listening to others but have become acutely aware of my body over the last few years and learned to listen more closely. I talked to my brother and family this morning and he says I am grumpy today (lol). I told him if he didn't have my tanning racks built before I get back then I will be even more grumpy. Admittedly, I can be a bit feisty. They promised me new ones last winter but never got them built. I really need them for this next year. I have so much to do. Atsme, thank you so much. Your words are a significant encouragement. I've just begun my treatments with only one week into them. They thought I might have had leukemia two years ago but did the same tests and it came back different then so I have had undiagnosed issues for some time. I had really bad nose bleeds for years and even coughed up blood on occasions. They would analyze and run tests but never could find a reason. My mother died from similar issues but I'm not exactly sure what that was because she was never diagnosed with anything. I'm very much looking forward to remission and the transplant so I can get on with life. --ARoseWolf 15:22, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Watching for pigs on the wing....

Just dropping in, I was reminded of an incident just over two years ago where I got sciatica from a trapped back nerve caused by 30 years of humping musical gear around. As the article says, with sources, "Sciatica is most common between the ages of 40 and 59, and men are more frequently affected than women." The doctor said it would go away of its own accord in a few weeks, but otherwise there's nothing they could do. I couldn't sit down or lie down and went for four days without sleep, and wondered if my musical career was over. Still, it did indeed get better, I have downsized my gear and am using soft cases (not as secure but more back friendly) and a dose of serious painkillers does make early Pink Floyd more fun to listen to. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Ritchie333, that sounds so painful. I'm glad you found somewhat of a remedy and even more happy that your musical career is not over. Music is all around us all the time. The musician, the singer, the painter, the poet, the author, the dancer all have tapped into that energy and put it on display for us. I get the trippy experience without the heavy medication so listening to music is a particular joy. My problem is that I cant help but dance with the music. I'm such a child of the 60's born in the late 80's. Aquarius to my core. --ARoseWolf 13:21, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

In my case, music, and specifically performing on stage, is what transformed me from being a cross between a teenage Roy Trenneman and Maurice Moss into something people rather liked, and so I'll never give it up as it is part of who I am. You can get an idea of what music I like from my GAs, but I've played lots of the classic '60s soul and Motown repertoire for years. Anyway, enough about me. Having seen relatives succumb to cancer, and having donated to Cancer Research for most of my life, I'm not really sure what else I can say to be reassuring beyond what other people have said - but things ain't over 'till they're over, and as long as you have a fire and spark in you (and it certainly seems like you do), then hopefully that'll keep you going and get through this. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:31, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

It is impossible not to smile when one is dancing simply for expression (maybe if it's your job, it's possible). Music and dance transcend language and speak to our souls. SusunW (talk) 14:42, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

My Papa owned a general store here in Alaska, for many years. I was fortunate to work the store with him. He never treated it like a job though he always treated me like an employee when we walked through the front door. He was a fair man. His belief was that something only becomes a job if you hate doing it. If it is something you love then it is part of you like your DNA. Music, I believe, is part of our DNA. For me, colors and music are one and the same. Painting with colors is very much like a composer of a symphony. Because syllables can be like musical notes, poetry is like sheet music. I see colors and hear notes in every letter, even as we write here, if I allow myself to open up to it. Letters correspond to colors and colors correspond to notes which correspond to letters. Its a circle, much like life. It's not something I have to force or make happen. It just does. In fact, I have to force myself not to. So, for me, music, dance, singing and painting are a language of the Spirit inside us and that is part of our Life force. As to the fire inside me, it burns bright. I have a song still to sing and music yet to make, dreams to dream and paintings to paint. Our lives are poetry in action, a dance long anticipated before the foundations of the world, it will be seen but once. --ARoseWolf 15:48, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

I hear you, I hear you!! - I came to say that I added, to my talk: missing SlimVirgin, and RMF festival opening, and to the collection more details about the music. The beginning of the Sibelius Violin Concerto: what the violin has to say could be a song to your mountain, - listen! (in the livestream, the soloist enters at 14:30) - I smiled when I read "grumpy" above, and at the same time, thunder rolled. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Mmmmmm, Gerda, you are a joy, I declare. A thunderstorm rolling off the peaks. One of those you can hear for miles through the valley. I have stood upon the mountain with my hair in the wind facing the storm as it rolled in. I know it's name and I have faced its fierce gaze with one equally as determined. The thunder shakes and the sound upon the strings of my heart responds with a sound that resonates in Earth and Sky. The storm knows my name as well. The violin, as a stringed instrument, is one of my favorites. I love and play the cello. The eagles love its sound. I had one that would land on the ledge of the mountain near my home where I would go to dance and sing. My concert is always for them. I wonder if they miss me. --ARoseWolf 17:21, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

White roses, Eberbach Abbey

More roses for more joy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt:, Those white roses are gorgeous. SO much joy. I changed up my user page look. I hope Phaedriel doesn't mind, wherever she is. I took her layout and modified it with some help. I wanted to give her credit though. Such an amazing person. I have been reading her contributions to help me get to know here a little. I was kind of hurting too much to really focus on updating any articles. I guess it's going to be like this. Ups and downs. My bones and joints have been hurting a little. It's more of a lingering pain than a sharp one. Joy fills my heart as morning comes. Time to Sing another song. --ARoseWolf 12:12, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

I took another pic thinking of you, with a ladybug - we call it Glückskäfer, a symbol of good luck. I'm too tired for uploading, after an extra article, Psalm 123 thinking of Yoninah who was honoured today by a special DYK set: her best hooks (discussion on her talk). justice and peace kissing - we wrote that together. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

I uploaded it now and inserted it you know where (together with a mushroom dish), File:Ladybug on thistle.jpg, it would get a bit crowded here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hmmmm, my last message to you disappeared. I thought maybe I failed to save it, but it's there in the history. Weird? At any rate, just checking in and hoping your pain has lessened a bit. It heartens me to see you popping up here and there, as I know that is a sign that you feel good enough to do it and the fight is still there. SusunW (talk) 20:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, sorry the message disappeared. It's been a tough weekend. A lot of pain and naseau. They had to give me additional platelets. The last few days have been the most difficult so far. I appreciate all the well wishes here. --ARoseWolf 16:18, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

RoseWolf - I only learned of this challenge that the Great Spirit has tasked you with, and I was at a complete loss for words. Still, today, I feel I must let you know that my heart, my prayers, and all my best wishes are with you. I have faith that you will find your way to the other side of this difficult path, and I know you'll be stronger for it. You have all my undying and heartfelt thoughts with you. — Ched (talk) 20:57, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Know that you are in my thoughts. Know that there is sunshine on the other side. I hope that this period of extreme discomfort will abate. (In my case, it came and went in waves and fortunately was not prolonged more than I could bear). Sending you strength and energy through the cosmos. SusunW (talk) 16:25, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

So, the process forward is that I start another round of chemo this week. After that they will take a bone marrow sample. If the results show me heading in the right direction then they will keep me for two weeks and then release me to go home. If the sample reveals a continuation of the leukemia then I may have a third chemo round and that's when they will seek a bone marrow transplant. --ARoseWolf 14:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the update ARoseWolf. Let's hope that the two rounds of chemo will have you headed in the right direction. SusunW (talk) 14:44, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Susun and Gerda. Right now the biggest concern is that I have almost no protection against anything. I get a couple of sores on my lips and a few other places but they said that's just from having no immune system to speak of. The medical staff have done an amazing job so far. My white cell count has been hovering around .5 or .6 though it was as low as .1 over the past week. Average is between 4.5 and 11. --ARoseWolf 14:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Best wishes! - I was pleasantly busy listening to opera again, look at this smile, for you. She was Blanche in Poulenc's Dialogues, and the fantastic young conductor, Giedrė Šlekytė, has no article yet in English. Bedtime, more to come. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Gerda, Beautiful! I hope you enjoyed your time at the opera again. I simply love the beauty we can create with our voices. There are so many that probably don't have an article that should. I trust you rested well and yes, please, more. :) --ARoseWolf 13:46, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

There will be new articles for the conductors, a singer in Inferno, and the director of Dialogues (who was on my to-do-list anyway). Some of the young singers perhaps later. Next opera tomorrow!! just keep watching, but for all weekend I will be mostly off, travel and family gathering - my brother is playing in the orchestra, as he was for Der Ring in Minden, one of two to play the first note. Same marvellous singers announced. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I will be watching intently! Please be safe on your journey's and bring me back lots of details. I am sending so much love your way, my friend. --ARoseWolf 14:24, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

I felt it coming, thank you so much - I was out, pics to come but may take to Monday, I have a few things waiting that I need to do today. If you want to meet another user, how about Brianboulton, birthday 4 July? Carmen was already TFA this year, and now its lead image will come up as today's featured picture. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you and wishing you well

Thanks for your comments on my work at St. Joseph's Indian School. Seeing the above thread, I wish you all the best in your path, and hope you continue to work with us here. Art and music of many sorts do lift us, and we are part of "the sun and moon and even all the stars". I hope you can see your beloved mountains from your windows; they are with you always, no matter what.Parkwells (talk) 22:17, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Parkwells, you are most welcome. Thank you for your well wishes. I'm not going anywhere but I have up and down days. Some days I may do more here and others I may do less. I love Wikipedia a lot though. I don't plan on leaving. I won't see my mountains for a while it seems. The flights back and forth for treatment would cost a fortune. They are in my heart. I miss the land. --ARoseWolf 12:36, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Keeping track

Just a word to let you know that I really welcome your comments on my talk page. It's really good to see you take an interest in what I am doing. I must say you are great at encouraging new editors both on my page and elsewhere. I see you are no longer officially Tsistunagiska but I thought it was a great name while it lasted. I've also seen you have started telling people you are Asareel and I remember you told us about other names you had been called when you were a child in Italy. Quite a mystery -- but an interesting mystery to be solved in due course. To change the subject, I was really sorry to hear you were suffering from leukemia. I hope the prognosis is good. When I was in hospital having an operation at the beginning of last year, I also continued to write articles on Wikipedia. The doctors thought I was crazy but it helped to keep my spirits up and no one noticed any lack of activity. I know quite a number of people who have fully recovered from cancer and the like -- so keep smiling! And let me know when you are ready to create more women's biographies. We can work on them together.--Ipigott (talk) 16:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Ipigott, I assume that was my middle name, Genevieve. My Papa and Grandfather used that quite often growing up. I got into trouble a lot, childish things really. I was very adventurous, especially after coming to Montana and Alaska. I was given a different name at birth. My parents wanted me to have an English and a Cherokee name but when my mother died my father pretty much gave up on life. That's how I ended up in Italy. It's a long winding story back to Germany and World War II but that's where my father and Papa's family originated as part of the Jewish community. After being adopted by my uncle and aunt they had my name changed to Asareel Genevieve and its kind of stuck with me since, even after learning of my true heritage and birth names. --ARoseWolf 16:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

I have three brothers and four sisters (Jeremiah, Sarai, Jael, Atarah, Gabriel, Zemira and Micah). Jimi and Micah live with me here. Jimi has a wife, Camille, and they have four children (Melody, Corrie, Jonathan and Luke). My daughter's name is Ariana, she's almost 10 now. My adoption of her was finalized over a year ago.--ARoseWolf 16:48, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Somethings are better left a mystery while others I have no issue sharing. I often have cautioned others on other platforms where I have conversed socially, Wikipedia not one of them beyond what I have, that I've held poachers at gunpoint and hunted most everything with four or two legs that have walked on our land at some point. I love my isolation when I need or want it but we are social creatures and we love communication so I don't mind offering what knowledge I can. In regards to welcoming others to Wikipedia, I feel it is, perhaps, the single most important thing anyone can do. We create great masterpieces of art and literature at amazing paces. I am impressed by the number of articles one editor can make in a week or month. But if we can build an encyclopedia that fosters creativity through kindness and acceptance then we can reach heights and depths we have never been and have influences on places we may never be able to go. A few simple words of kindness is all it takes to make a start. --ARoseWolf 17:02, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for reviving my memory. You really should start writing your autobiography. I have helped several writers publish their first works. If you want me to help you along, we could communicate by email. It looks like a great story which needs to be told.--Ipigott (talk) 17:07, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Ipigott, I'd love to do that. I have kept journals since I was about 10 years old. I probably have a hundred or more. It was my Mama's remedy for what she felt was a restless Spirit. My grandmother wanted me to explore so she was the one who took me places and fostered that side of me. --ARoseWolf 17:12, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Thar sounds great. My email is ipigott at yahoo dot com (as stated on my user page). Drop me an email message and we can start working on a development strategy. For your information, I never ask for any financial compensation for my assistance. I'm just happy to help people along -- as on Wikipedia. In my professional life, I have helped with projects involving Nazi concentration camps, especially Stutthof. One of my closest friends while in Canada, was a Pole who survived Nazi incarceration. I could continue... --Ipigott (talk) 17:54, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

A gift for you

Others are better with words than I could ever hope to be; however, I did want you to know that I care too. I offer the following:

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  Fresh cut rose with one of my wolf statues
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  Another one of my wolf statues with a rose
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  One of my bigger wolf statues - but not the right expression.
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  One of our roses in the wild.
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  cropped from original with a bit of photoshop work

— Ched (talk) 00:08, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ched: Wow, I am humbled by this. I love the wolves with the rose the best. You sculpted these yourself? --ARoseWolf 12:13, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

The color of those roses outside are amazing. So vibrant. I'm seeing a bluish pink, purple, and red mix of color in them. They are beautiful. I can smell their petals. So pretty. --ARoseWolf 12:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh heavens no .. I just took the pics. Picked up the roses when I was out shopping, had the idea a few days ago, and it gave me an excuse to use my Nikon. I saw you were going through some tough times, and just wanted to try to give you a reason to smile a little. — Ched (talk) 15:15, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I am so touched that you would think about doing this for me. I love my Nikon camera. I hope you don't mind that I saved them and sent them to my sister-in-law back home. It was very sweet of you and made my day very bright when I saw them. Thank you, Ched. --ARoseWolf 15:30, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Mary Beth Heffernan (artist)

Hello Asareel

Thank you for your kind message on my article on Mary Beth Heffernan (Artist). which was approved.

Happy you added WIR project tag to the talk page!

I will certainly watch the project Women in Red and keep in touch.

Many thanks again!

@Amanda scott:, thank you for responding and you are most welcome. I was taught a long time ago that it doesn't cost me anything to be nice. I am a firm believer that a little kindness can and will go a long way towards building strong relationships between people. I also understand the difficulties of trying to get articles into main space and I believe you did excellent work with this article. Feel free to join the project if you wish. We very much value every voice. Happy editing, Amanda. It is so great to meet you. --ARoseWolf 15:57, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Miscommunication

Hi, I think you completely misinterpreted my last few posts. I posted a url link earlier in this post to an article with evidence and history on the history of women and medical education in the United States. I think you missed that, and assumed I was just talking about the article on Cornelia by itself. When I made this later post about you not reading I was referring to this url linked article from my earlier comment to you: https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/medical-education-women-during-nineteenth-century

I was not accusing you of having not read the article on Cornelia Chase Brant. Please know I respect you as an editor. I think this was just a case of you not seeing the url link I had posted. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

4meter4, I had not seen the article link you posted but, having read it some things jump out to me. The use of "many" in this sense is potentially misleading. According to the link, by the late 1860's there were three women's medical schools and "several" co-educational schools offering medical degrees but it never lists them and never states what its sources are to determine what "several" means. In the article on the Women's Medical College of Pennsylvania it very clearly states it was the second institution to offer a M.D. degree for women. Yes, it was founded in 1850 and began offering medical degrees to women at that time. The article link you posted only mentions five institutions after the 1860's that it highlighted as offering medical degrees (Harvard, University of Michigan, University of California, Syracuse University, Georgetown and John Hopkins) to women. After rioting, Harvard rescinded and the women currently enrolled dropped out. Harvard did not allow women in the medical program again until 1945. While it only mentioned these five institutions it said that coeducation was becoming more common however they do not include inline citations so it is hard to see where they obtained their sources to determine this nor do they reference any statistics to show just what threshold was met to determine something has become "more common". More common than what? The article claims that between 1870 and 1900, the number of women that had received a medical degree and were practicing had grown from 500 to 7,000. Do the math and that is only an average of 216 doctors a year nationwide over that 30 year span. I wouldn't call that a significant number once the facts are laid out. I think we can also agree that if only 4% of medical degrees given in any single year went to women that doesn't represent a high number and it can be disputed that this is the indication that the practice was becoming significantly "more common", especially since it had lowered to only 2 to 3% by 1904. As to your comments directed at me, I don't take them personal. I stated my peace and I walked away from the AfD. I do not intend to return to that AfD. The results will be what they are. Best to you. --ARoseWolf 17:34, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Rosewolf, I didn’t make any comments directed at you other than starting that you didn’t read the article I posted and were ignoring evidence, which you just admitted was the case. I think you owe me an apology for lashing out at me in anger and accusing me of not being civil, when clearly I was a pointing out a mistake on your part which you did in fact make. Lastly, the statistical evidence in this article: http://beckerexhibits.wustl.edu/mowihsp/health/medcoedus.htm#:~:text=It%20was%20many%20years%20before,97%20(61%25)%20admitted%20women. states that 61% of all medical schools in the United States admitted women in 1904. So I think the use of the word “many” by the author in the article I posted was neither misleading or inappropriate but accurate. Yes, graduate numbers were smaller. And yes there were increasing barriers for women. Nobody disagrees with you. And I voted keep from the beginning with this AFD. Can’t you just simply admit that you made some assertions which were inaccurate, learn for from the evidence, and be nice to the people who are taking the time to dialogue with you when you make a mistake? I just don’t get the hostility here.4meter4 (talk) 18:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

4meter4, there is no hostility on my part. It is hard to say I am ignoring something I haven't read so your claims were baseless in the beginning. The fact that I now dispute that the evidence shows a significant increase in women gaining accredited medical degrees that allowed them to practice medicine once they graduated without being provided the sources and raw date used to make those claims is not ignoring either. I am asking for a source that shows this represented a significant leap forward in women's education or that justifies that a woman who received a medical degree, was able to overcome every hurdle that women had to once they graduated, and was able to make a meaningful career from this somehow became common in the late 1800's and early 1900's. As opposed to what? I would need to see raw data and comparisons to make that assessment. The link provided by Joelle does not mention total number of colleges and universities in the US in 1904 that offered accredited medical degrees vs how many accepted women. It only mentions medical schools which was 160, of which 61% did accept women. That is a fact. There were potentially thousands of institutions in the US at this time. 160 is just a fraction and the 97 that accepted women is an even smaller number. Perhaps the overall number would show what you are trying to assert here. Perhaps it wouldn't. We don't know because they don't provide their direct sources. As to your comments that were directed at me. I did believe your were uncivil, initially, but when you came here and asserted that there was miscommunication I did agree with you. If you want a formal apology for that then you have it, I apologize for not knowing you were referring to the link you provided and making assertions you were talking about the article being discussed at the AfD. I still do not believe it should be common (there is that word again) practice to question another editor and then try to find out if there was miscommunication after the fact. The "A" in AfD is "Article". We are discussing the notability of a subject in said article. That is what I focus on. The link you provided is to a source for your argument that is not in the article in question. Had it been called a source for your argument I would have known what you meant. The course of action you chose for this AfD is irrelevant to the discussion we had. I am genuinely sorry if I offended you with my being straightforward in defense against comments I felt at the time were uncivil. I wont comment on any further assertions you have made about me and choose to drop this conversation where it is unless you wish to continue. I leave that up to your discretion. Have a great rest of your day. :) --ARoseWolf 19:05, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

4meter4, Let me also add that nothing you have said or done has diminished my respect for you as a person or my belief that you are an amazing editor and a positive part of this community. In no way does it challenge your importance to the encyclopedia or denote any form of hostility going forward. I have had discussions with many like this before. I respect them and have worked with them since. It's a personal disagreement of what these particular sources are saying and the significance of what they are saying. I don't think either of us need to apologize for our personal positions on that matter. I am not trying to convince you to change or alter your opinions. --ARoseWolf 19:24, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

I think you are being a bit disingenuous. I clearly posted an article for you to read with a blue url link, and you simply mis read my post and proceeded to react out of that misunderstanding. It wasn't my claim that was baseless, but your response to my post that missed the url link in that post. I in turn thought you had seen the article, and chose to not read it and made my comment about ignoring information. Regardless, it's just best we let this go. Lastly, I think the "raw data" you are asking for as evidence is not realistically available or recreatable within historic research. That kind of data can only be generated through qualitative research using carefully designed surveys with living subjects. That sort of study wasn't even being done until the 1980s in small pockets, and really didn't start becoming more accepted in academia until the last 20 years. Unfortunately 19th and 20th century researchers were not asking those kinds of questions while these women were alive, and there is no way to realistically generate data of that nature today. We can document the stories of individual historical women and their careers if they left diaries, letters, etc. which address those kinds of questions, and try to make those narratives representative of women as a whole. But asking for raw data across women doctors of this era about their lived experience within their careers is not possible for any researcher and study. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:59, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

One more comment, the assertion that there were potentially thousands of medical schools in the United States is ridiculous. There have never been even 200 med schools at any one time in the United States in its entire history. Even today we only have 154 M.D. programs and 38 D.O. programs in the United States. We have a verified and exacting number of medical schools in the United States from 1904: 160 schools. No more, no less. The Flexner Report was thorough and comprehensive in its report, and its accuracy is widely accepted in historical research. Of those 160 extent schools, 91 accepted women.4meter4 (talk) 22:43, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

4meter4, If you feel I am being disingenuous then why post anything after that? You may have made good points after your accusational statement but you have now lost me as an audience. I would never accuse you as being disingenuous, especially if you directly stated you were being genuine. Please don't respond. I really wish you the best and up to this point I have lost no respect for you. --ARoseWolf 00:02, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

I came across this by accident. One of the was to prevent disagreements of this sort is to avoid the use of vague adjectives. "Many" is a term that has no exact definition. For example, as there became an increasing number of women who were physicians, the least ambiguous way to show this is not to rely on wording, but to give briefly the numbers. The reader can decide on the significance. There may often not be full data year by year, or it may be necessary to summarize. but this can still be done with some quantitative information decade by decade, or for whatever data points are available. A further way to clarify the significance is to use comparative data: show the increase as compared to the increase in other professions, such as law, or as compared to other countries. As 4meter4 says, this still leaves ambiguities that require further analysis and where there may well be insufficient data--in this instance, for example, how many of them continued to practice full time for how many years; how much did they earn; in which fields did they practice; how many of them were also married; how many had children; how many d husbands also physicians. There is probably also inadequate data that might explain motivations: howmany were from families where their fathers may have been physicians; what were their social class and ethnic origins; whcih colleges and preparatory schools did they attend. And raw numbers sometimes need further breakdown: of the 91/160 who accepted women in 1904, what were the proportions? How did the total and percentage figures vary after that from year to year? Was there an effect from each of the two world wars?

All this is complementary to the biographical data on individuals: for those where we know details from autobiographies of historical research, how representative were they? Throughout much of history there were professions, like medicine, where there were some, but very few women, and a focus on these exceptional individuals can be misleading. But on the other hand such biographies can be the only way of getting at psychological and social factors.

T:here's something else, which I can only ask about, because i have never seen information: during the period before Flexner, there were a considerable number of low quality medical schools before and after Flexner, and continuing to our day there have been quasi-medical and alternative-medicine fields. To what extent did women participate in them? If they did, was it because they could not get admitted to orthodox routes, or because they were more open to alternative practices? A \ DGG ( talk ) 23:48, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, DGG, but it didn't help that I was in pain and I should have just walked away from the conversation when I needed to. 4meter4 is an extremely intelligent and valuable editor here and I used very vague descriptors, too, that probably shouldn't have been used. That being said, I was not being disingenuous with anything I said. Had I meant anything sarcastic I would have said so. Nothing women faced in that day was common or simple. I pointed out the year that the Nineteenth amendment was passed in the US because up to 1848 women couldn't even own land and some of those sentiments extended into the early to mid-20th century as well. The hurdles and obstacles a woman had to overcome just to get an education, let alone, become a successful entrepreneur or professional in whatever field she wanted to go into were astounding. Then she faced the uphill battle of overcoming the stereotyping and stigmatizations of others for not following the "acceptable path" a woman should follow. This resurged in the mid-20th century. Most of this happened pre-internet and there were few sympathetic media sources one can draw upon. As you have stated, the numbers are not always as they seem. There are many factors involved here and focusing on one set of numbers as a means to say it had seemingly become commonplace is where I took issue. It may not have been as difficult as prior to 1848 but it was still not common. A great example of this is the ridicule that Isabel Cobb faced from peers in medical journals for accepting non-monetary means of payment for services she gave to Cherokee and Muscogee people in Indian Country during the turn of the 19th century. Women, in any profession, were regarded as second class throughout the late 19th and early 20th centuries. All I wanted from the conversation was a further breakdown because it seemed too easy to just say, well, 61% of medical schools accepted women so that's a majority. It, likewise, felt too easy to say women doctors jumped from 500 to 7000 over three decades and that's proof it had become a common occurrence. If 4% of medical graduates in a single year were women then that meant 96% were not women. That was my point. These numbers alone would denote it was an amazing feat for a woman to overcome all the obstacles, adversities and social pressures to start and complete medical school earning a degree and then become successful at a medical profession as a M.D. or general practitioner, period. --ARoseWolf 13:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, yes, I understand. Personally, most of the women I know from the generation before mine were labor activists. Even in my own generation, I've know a number of women physicians who entered the profession after allied careers as social workers, lab technicians, and the like.

But I've seen your note below, and I deeply wish there were something helpful I could offer. DGG ( talk ) 03:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

DGG, thank you for the thought. The best thing anyone can do for me is to just keep living and being who you are. Learn and grow as people and be kind to one another. --ARoseWolf 12:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Update

They took another bone marrow sample. Both treatments have failed. Brian and my brothers flew down yesterday and we are meeting with the doctors today to see what the next step is. I just wanted to let my friends here know the status. --ARoseWolf 13:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Look in your mind's eye and you will see me sitting there with you holding your hand, passing the strength from my body to yours. It's okay to be scared on the adventure (I change meds today with great trepidation), but, stay strong, continue fighting and singing as long as you are able. SusunW (talk) 12:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

My thoughts are with you, and were during a family gathering (hard core) over the weekend with much music and good meetings, when I took the pic of another rose, - look and see what's healthy for you. Our parents celebrated their 50th anniversary in the church that now had a baptism (same nice woman for pastor, same song). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! This is exactly what I needed. I dreamed about going to the opera with you, Gerda. Oh, the tones and notes were lovely. I wanted to dance again as I did when I was a teen taking ballet. Such an amazing experience walking through the garden and smelling all the flowers in bloom. Such a beautiful chat as we sat on a bench and bees zoomed around us collecting their pollen. And then I dreamed of visiting with you, Susun, for a cup of tea and a nice chat about our travels and experiences. We took a hike to some of your favorite places. And you have such beautiful cats. I think they would like me. I know mine misses her Mama. I got on a call with my daughter and Persephone was meowing so loud when she heard my voice, even rubbed her face on the mic and was purring. I bet my pups miss me too. It can get scary, not knowing, but the adventure of life is worth the pains. We don't often get to choose our path in life but we can determine how we view it and, to some degree, how we respond to it. I choose to live. My Song will not end this way. They have decided to go for a third round with some changeups. It's a different type of chemo focused on a different type of leukemia cell. They believe there is a correct combination but we have to find it. We will find it and I will beat this but I will need and am so thankful for your love, support and kind words. They keep me strong. Thank you both for the visit last night and I cant wait for more. --ARoseWolf 13:32, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I love your dreams! Just don't think I live in that park with cats like that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Haha! I can think of worse situations. --ARoseWolf 14:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) "They believe there is a correct combination but we have to find it" sounds very much like, "we have found that changing your meds offers better odds" (well in Spanish, of course LOL). Does your hospital allow your critters to visit (some do)? My nurse cat, Rusty (whom my house manager calls oxidado), always seems to know when I need his gentle presence. The adventure is definitely worth whatever obstacles are tossed in the path. I am a firm believer that we never learn anything if we don't make mistakes or have to overcome challenges. It is all about letting go of striving for perfection and instead celebrating opportunities. SusunW (talk) 14:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, It could be that. I'm not sure how chemotherapy works but its hard for me to see how any treatment would not kill something. I probably need to ask more questions. The doctor will be making a round today so maybe I will ask that very thing. I suspect that its not killing enough cancer cells and that's why they are switching up. They are giving me only one treatment, rather than two concurrently, this time and it will be for five days as opposed to seven. They start today. We'll see how it goes. --ARoseWolf 15:00, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I like you, have no idea how it works, but am sure that varying the cocktail changes things. SusunW (talk) 15:18, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, no doubt, and that's what causes my apprehension. Nothing I can really do about it but it still causes some uneasiness. --ARoseWolf 15:28, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Yep, as I said, they changed my meds today. Last time I had a ton of weird side effects, who knows what will happen this time? It will unfold as it does and I will adjust. SusunW (talk) 15:51, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

All my prayers ARW. You remain in my thoughts, and I know you will win this. — Ched (talk) 15:56, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you all for your prayers, thoughts and well wishes. It means so much. Please, please please, keep them coming. SusunW, you are amazing! I know you will adjust as you always do. I am here for you as you are here for me. --ARoseWolf 16:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt and SusunW: I got so sick suddenly. I'm taking a break for a few hours and I'll be back on the encyclopedia. Much Love! --ARoseWolf 19:53, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

How are you doing? Hoping you wake feisty and singing. I am drinking coffee on the patio and a flock of parrots just flew overhead. So far, no noticeable side effects. SusunW (talk) 13:04, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, It was difficult for a few hours there. This new treatment hit me hard but Asareel never stays down for long. Come back up fighting (lol). I'm always a little feisty, I'm an Aquarian. Not just that but my birthday is February 14th so I'm a Valentine Aquarian. Ha! Love, Peace, Joy, Wisdom, Life, Passion, Creativity - These are the aspects of who we are as humans. They also correspond with a color of the Rainbow and, as I hear it, a musical note in the Song of Life that we all play on the strings of our existence. Our Song's are unique but they are the same notes as all other humans have been before us. Sometimes we are so impacted by other Song's that part of their Song becomes part of ours. This is how they live on. Even though they may be gone from our lives, they are still with us. Even though, one day, no one will specifically remember the sound of their Song the same notes will remain because they are a part of all of us. The same colors will still paint our lives and those that follow. I love meditation and the songs that are born from it. :)--ARoseWolf 13:55, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Wild River

I'm working on my next little project though. Anyone with a geological prowess or a desire to help, provided you aren't swamped with your projects which are more important for sure, is welcome to help, User:ARoseWolf/Wild River (Alaska). Most of my knowledge is first hand which doesn't help much in the grand scheme of things, however I have found some good sources, mostly government sources and topographic maps. --ARoseWolf 16:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

My hope is to eventually include an article on Wild Lake (Alaska) but that will be some time in the future. --ARoseWolf 17:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

We have a float plane base on the southwestern shore of the lake and a gravel air strip on the southeastern shore near the creek that ran from the old mine. There is a smaller airstrip further up the creek on the north side but its never used anymore. Most of the heavy equipment is on the eastern shore of the lake. We use ATV's during Summer and dogsleds during Winter to keep trails clear. Most of the housing and supplementary buildings are on the western side of the lake though we have cabins located in multiple locations around the lake, the valley and up into the surrounding mountains. --ARoseWolf 17:41, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

July corner

On DYK today, as you noticed, two songs as if especially for you, a morning song that a cousin gave to me, about the many meanings of rising, and the other praying for courage to take the necessary steps. The morning song is a GA, - there should be more given my initials, but I also want to care for articles of those who recently died (now Esther Béjarano), and of psalms in memory of Yoninah, - more missing than there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, Muuuuaaaahhhh!(blowing a kiss) You are a blessing, my friend. A light so bright I need to put my shades on just to see your face. Keep singing, Gerda. I hear you! --ARoseWolf 19:16, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

kiss well received! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

... and uploaded: dawn with fog, bellflowers, a mushroom (later eaten), a fish-dish in an artificial beach setting and - rainbows above the Rhine with high water --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Thinking of you

I have read with interest your talk page and contributions for a long time, though I don't know if we have interacted before. Your grace is admirable. This quote, I found a day or two ago, reminds me of you; it was written in the context of lesbian (auto)biography and historiography, but it resonates with indigenous and other history-making, too.

"There's a difference between writing history and rewriting it, between documenting and romanticizing, and I don't think we know the difference yet." —Julia Penelope, "Whose past are we reclaiming?", off our backs, 1993, 23(8).

Hope you're well. Urve (talk) 13:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Urve, Your words honor me greatly. We may have an impact on others in ways we never know but if you have thought of me then we have interacted in even the smallest of ways. My hope is not just that my Song would have a lasted affect on my fellow humanity but that I would be willing to listen and allow others to impact me. That is how we evolve and grow our character. Your Song has done this. Thank you, Rainbow. --ARoseWolf 17:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for this... On the day she died, a dear friend wrote: "How does one speak truth to power when power already knows the truth?" Maybe you are different than me, but the impossibility of representation, of some things, those which are so powerful they deceive us, like love and humility and grace, troubles me - you wrote above about journaling, and that speaks to a closer truth than anything ever can. Maybe not a factual truth - we always find ourselves remembering things differently than they happened, each memory remembering not the event but the last time we remembered it - but certainly, the emotive truth, which may matter more.

I have always been enamored by your idea, of listening to others and letting them impact us, unreservedly, allowing ourselves to be washed over by the music. We are as much ourselves as we are those we love. Urve (talk) 18:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@Urve: Yes! They are part of us, completely. Our Song was carried and nurtured by them for many years and now we carry their Song in us. Having an open ear to listen for the Song of others and allowing it to impact and become a part of who you are is so difficult of a task to master. So many build walls around themselves. Nothing can pass through walls and it isolates us from each other. What we should be building are filters. I am just as guilty as the next for building walls. It's so natural to do. Filters allow the free flow of information, ideas, emotions and communication but can also protect us from dangers. It allows us to breathe and expand or contract as we need to. This is very necessary on Wikipedia. Too often we are confronted with walls. It's hard to communicate and build upon the foundation of the encyclopedia when everything is walled off. Confrontation and agitation is around every corner. It is such a pleasure when we encounter those with filters in place that want to hear and listen to ideas, even if they disagree. They want to communicate and are open to change. That is most beneficial to the encyclopedia. It is also essential to our lives if we are to truly thrive in this existence. --ARoseWolf 13:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Wishing you well

Hey there ARoseWolf, I saw that you changed your name. I also noticed that you are dealing with a serious health issue right now, and wanted to say hello and wish you well. I hope that you have a complete recovery and that the medicine does the trick. It sounds like you are in good spirits, and are surrounded by excellent care-givers. I have found from my own experience that when the going gets rough, Wikipedia is an excellent hobby to get one's mind in a creative place. Hope the Wild River and Wild Lake articles are coming along swimmingly. Netherzone (talk) 16:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Netherzone. I did change my name. This seemed more fitting for me though I still give credit to my inspiration on my User page. It is always good to hear from you and I love hearing these experiences and how others dealt with them. Being here has been a help to me, more than I can express. All of you are such an encouragement. The articles are coming along. They will get to the place where they are ready when the time is right. Thank you again for the well wishes. --ARoseWolf 16:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

It warms my heart to see your posts, as they mean you are fighting and able to work. Even if that is a bit here and there, it helps with our progress. Know that every day as I write, you are in my thoughts. SusunW (talk) 12:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I am a warrior. I have fought my entire life, sometimes without even knowing. It's in my blood, pun intended (lol). I am still singing, Susun. I know its easy to say but I want each of you to know that I do feel your thoughts directed at me and I appreciate them more than I could ever express. Thank you for sending me your positive thoughts. Instead of growing weak, I grow stronger because of it. Love will win this fight. Life will win this fight. --ARoseWolf 12:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I hear you and understand. It is indeed the gift of people in our lives that make the fight worthwhile, that help us appreciate the beauty (and the ugliness) of life and that push us forward. SusunW (talk) 12:54, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

@SusunW and Gerda Arendt: Had a fever that spiked to 106 before it finally broke last night. Imm may not be on much today. I depends on how I feel. They took me for xray to try and find the second infection. As of yet unknown. I am better today but they have on oxygen. --ARoseWolf 15:00, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Please take care of yourself. Hope they are able to discover the cause of infection. Sending you positive thoughts and strength. SusunW (talk) 15:24, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, SusunW. The fluids, anti-biotics and oxygen seem to be working their magic but time will tell. They don't have a clue where to begin with the infection so they want to treat it broadly and see if that takes care of it. In regards to Wikipedia, I saw this today and my heart lept with joy. Vivaldi is one of my favorite composers and I found several arrangements of Italian classical music to keep me occupied and fill my heart with the beautiful reminders of my adventures in the Italian countryside. --ARoseWolf 19:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Along with the saxophone, cello and viola are perhaps my favorite instruments. Always sure to bring me a smile. SusunW (talk) 19:20, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, Cello is one of the instruments I have learned to play though I am no where near professional level on any of them. I used to take my pan flutes and various singing bowls out to play for the eagles when they returned during the short summer months. They sure do bring a smile. --ARoseWolf 19:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Love that. Many, many moons ago, I played piano and violin. Not good at either. Much prefer to listen than play. SusunW (talk) 20:00, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Love you finding yourself what I wanted to tell you when back from another outing with other friends, red roses, pics perhaps tomorrow, - I am behind with some taken sooner. I hope you found those new today, covering last weekend, 17 18 19. Keep that page watched, please. Vivaldi: the cellist who played for us the first two movements of No. 6 of the Vivaldi thought there wasn't much to tell about these pieces, - I'll tell him he was wrong ;) - That Largo should bring fever down. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, watched!! I used to listen to Vivaldi all the time. I need to get back to that place again. It does so much more than bring the fever down, it has always lifted my soul. Thank you for sharing and bringing back those memories. :) --ARoseWolf 20:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

especially for you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

especially for her who would have been 122 today - she loved yellow, but I uploaded more red flowers - for you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Proposed Women in Green Editathon

Hello ARoseWolf -- With the goal of helping to progress the WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) women’s rights-themed GA nomination goal for 2021, I’m proposing that WiG hold a special editathon event in the fall (maybe October/November?). I can assist with logistics, but I need to know how much interest/support there might be from WiG participants first. Please let me know what you think in the talk page conversation! All the best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 02:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

today

I really hate to see you having a bad day (mentioned above). Get the temp. down, and get back to mending your body. Get well - that's an order. ;-) — Ched (talk) 20:48, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Ched, Bad days are relative. I can't truly have a bad day when I am still living life and learning and experiencing. The fever is gone and my temp is normal again, albeit with a little help from antibiotics. I am severely neutropenic so my body can't fight off infections right now. I've never taken so many medications in all my life but I am thankful it is here because it gives me a fighting chance and that's really all this warrior can ask for. One way or another, I am determined to live life to the end, regardless of when that is. I am restrained to these white walls, physically, but my Spirit still roams free over land and ocean, valley and mountain. If you were one of my brothers I would tell you where you could put those orders (I told you I am feisty) but because you are such a good friend I will accept and follow that order. Thank you, Ched. You are amazing! --ARoseWolf 12:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Hopefully you will escape those 4 white walls soon. I think positive that you will have a long, healthy, and very happy life ahead. Sending cyber-hugs your way. — Ched (talk) 13:19, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Ched, accepting all the warm cyber hugs. Thank you. --ARoseWolf 13:34, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Boldness

I appreciate your boldness in expressing what is a somewhat unpopular view on Jimmy’s page. I don’t necessarily agree, but you definitely have expressed it in a thoughtful way and it’s a valid viewpoint. And I agree we should focus on writing articles and not be slave to any particular metric! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Aussie Article Writer, you prove the point that we don't have to agree to appreciate each other. :) Thank you for the kind remarks. I will admit that I find myself not sharing very often because of multiple reasons. I know many others feel the same. They don't want to bring attention to themselves because of a valid fear of being singled out. For me it is that I often have felt the intimidation of not knowing the proper wikilinks to policies and the wikilawyering. I tend to respond out of the general knowledge of what Wikipedia is with a personal spin that I acknowledge is my own. It's not polished by any means but it's genuine and comes from a good place. I don't really mind taking an unpopular stance when I know it is valid, relevant and genuine. If it is not reality then I generally will admit that as evidence is brought forward and my view of it changes. I, for the most part, won't be afraid to speak up because of experiences in the past which kept me silent. Again, thank you. The key to our collaborative success is kindness. --ARoseWolf 15:07, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Friend, that I agree with. I have to constantly remind myself of this one core fact every day. In fact, I really need to remember that even when others were unkind to me, the urge to do likewise is not healthy, or acceptable. I gotta work on this, one day at a time. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 15:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Aussie Article Writer, this is something we all struggle with because we are human. I have bad days and sometimes I even take frustrations out on others or maybe even turn something said into a misunderstanding which could escalate into bitter feelings. Being human is a mixed bag and you really never know what you are going to get. Pain and experience can also leave one jaded. I does come natural to relate with others but that doesn't mean it is always easy or that I am capable when blocked by self. Still we try. --ARoseWolf 13:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

I just found out you are going through Chemo. I am so sorry. I hope you are OK. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 09:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Your message on my talk page on fr-wp concerning les sans pagEs

Hi, thank you for your message on my talk page on fr-wp! Do you think you could share the link to the project you are doing for Women in red? I would really appreciate. Also your message seems to be an automatic translation, and some passages are a little unclear, but you can write to me in English if you wish. Warm regards, Nattes à chat (talk) 19:14, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Nattes à chat, no, its probably my French. I grew up in Italy near Provence and my rendition of Parisian French is probably a bit off. Who knows, I may have snuck in some Italian. Ha! If you want to check out the list I am working on you can see here, User:ARoseWolf/Wikipedia Projects Supporting Women. This is just a start and any additional information on Les sans PagEs would be greatly appreciated. --ARoseWolf 19:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

@Nattes à chat:, If you want to check out our conversation about the essay you can find it here on the project talk page. --ARoseWolf 19:49, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

August Editathons with Women in Red

Women in Red | August 2021, Volume 7, Issue 8, Numbers 184, 188, 204, 205, 206, 207 Online events: New: Indigenous women | Women's leadership & empowerment Contest (Jul/Aug/Sep): Latin America contest Continuing: Olympic & Paralympic Games | Women's rights | #1day1woman See also: Interwiki Women Collaboration Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help plan and coordinate future events. Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:27, 23 July 2021 (UTC) via MassMessaging

The Question I Asked About 2FA

I’m not sure if it was you or RudolfRed who gave me the answer of “even if you misplaced your mobile device, if you purchase a new device, and login with your Apple ID, the FreeOTP app should still recognize you” in retrospect, I dont even know how or why I didn’t think of that before asking the question, that was a no-brainer, it crossed my mind today. Thanks to you both once again. Celestina007 (talk) 17:00, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, I had to use 2FA a while back when I was being stalked by my ex-husband and friends to secure my account. I've since removed it but had limited knowledge of how it worked. I am glad it has been resolved for you. If you ever need anything else or just want someone watching your account a little closer just let me know. Watching and reverting vandalism and hateful speech is really the least I can do for another human being and a fellow editor here. --ARoseWolf 17:11, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Historical overview of projects supporting women

Hi! Thank you for starting this. I don't know if my edits/additions were helpful vs. not in line with what you were envisioning. Please let me know, as I'd be happy to remove anything which isn't a good fit. --Rosiestep (talk)

Rosiestep, you are such a sweet soul but I started this for WiR and because this was something you wanted. I just love contributing. It is all for this project that has brought me so much joy just being a part of it, especially during this time when I've felt so alone. Whatever you and project wants is what it will be. I just do my best to make it happen --ARoseWolf 01:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, I feel the same about you. I am truly glad we have this project and that we are there for each other. Rosiestep (talk) 04:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I am so happy that y'all are getting to know each other @ARoseWolf and Rosiestep:. Had planned on coming here today to check on how your treatment is going ARoseWolf and tell you how good it is to see you being able to contribute so much. Just made me smile even more to see this conversation. Two of my favorite people, supporting each other cannot help but make me happy. SusunW (talk) 20:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, Treatments are going well actually. They think I am responding to the latest round of chemo but we will know for sure when its done. I am still fighting off the secondary infection but I have felt really well the last few days. Contributing to this list has helped too. It's been fun looking for information and reading about each project. I feel he positive thoughts from my friends here and my family back home. --ARoseWolf 20:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

That is lovely to know. I figured you were feeling pretty good, but treatment is just overall not fun. I am thinking of you. SusunW (talk) 20:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

SusunW: Thank you!! I truly mean that! Sometimes people say it just to be nice but I want you to know that I genuinely feel the positive energy and it does make a difference. --ARoseWolf 20:25, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

SusunW and Asareel, You are so awesome and I am grateful to be part of this circle. Drinking coffee and thinking of you... Rosiestep (talk) 12:26, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

@SusunW, Rosiestep, Gerda Arendt, and Ipigott: I can see us sitting around drinking coffee and sharing life experiences. I see it with my Spirit eyes and I am there my friends. Thank you for your thoughts and constant vigil over me. This community means so much to me. We are a part of something so vibrant, so energetically positive that the colours swirl fast around us. --ARoseWolf 13:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be lovely to sit and have a coffee with each other? Perhaps some day that will happen. Sending you energy this morning and hope. SusunW (talk) 13:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Whether or not we can have coffee together, I think it is great we can keep in touch day by day and collaborate on Wikipedia. I'm so glad to hear the treatment is going well and that you have been feeling better. With your strong love of life, I'm sure the improvement will continue. If you have any other ideas about what we can work on together, just let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 13:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

You all are lovely company! I just enjoy it in real life, so am here only sporadically, but please feel free to share food and music and flowers. Rich day today, upload later or tomorrow or on Monday ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

July

A summary is there now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Update August 2

@Gerda Arendt, SusunW, Ipigott, and Rosiestep: My latest numbers show improvement. My white count went from 0.1 to 0.6 and is 0.9 today so my body is responding. Because of the remoteness of our homestead we discussed renting a place here for me to stay if I should be released which would happen if my count gets above 2.0. My sister-in-law said she would come down to stay with me in that eventuality. It's not ideal but would be best while my body continues the recovery process but will keep me close enough to the hospital. And I continue to dance to the Song of Life! --ARoseWolf 17:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

That's great news. I can see recovery is imminent. You'll soon be able to see all the things you love so much.--Ipigott (talk) 17:55, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely fabulous news! So happy for you that your body is responding well to the treatment. I know how wonderful it is to be out of a hospital environment. Even if it isn't to your own homestead, just being among your own stuff, being able to pick your own food (I never once ate that jello they gave me at every meal), and not constantly being woken for checks of this or that is a relief. May you continue to improve and sooner rather than later be able to transition away from the hospital. SusunW (talk) 17:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh, such wonderful news! Staying (virtually) close by your side... my tuxie cats and I. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Ched, The Most Comfortable Chair, Netherzone, DGG, Urve, Ritchie333, Parkwells, GenQuest, Atsme and I hope I didn't miss anyone but I wanted to tag all of you. Your thoughts. Your caring. Your love for other humans is what fuels the star inside each of us. Thank you all for your continued positive vibes directed at me. I still have hurdles to jump but we are finally running the race in the right direction (lol). And I have one word for the hospital jello cup, Don't (lol)!! --ARoseWolf 18:07, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, thanks for sharing the good news; visualizing your white count climbing like a snowy Alaska mountain. Soon you will be doing jello shots, rather than hospital jello cups! Netherzone (talk) 18:12, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

August songs

jello? yellow? enjoy improvements, that sounds sooo exciting! (I once read a book of a couple telling the story of her breast cancer, and get treatment in Bonn, and the food is awful ... - they tell it from both perspectives, husband and wife, - sorry, forgot the title.) - As you saw already: my 12th today? I decorated, also for a birthday. Songs invite to more music, places, food and flowers. A yellow flower pic to come (possible for August 2022), yellow roses are hidden in last year's. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Listen to the two solo cellos in Vivaldi, still a red link: RV 531 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

(music beginning after about 5 minutes of announcements and tuning) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, music is such food for the soul. Those cellos are divine. --ARoseWolf 13:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Like that! I uploaded 4 more pics. In the evening, there was a rainbow from the little steple, imagine. I took a pick but it's sort of not good enough. Bees this time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello! Jell-O, yellow, cello, soon you will be feeling mellow, my fellow editrixen. Cheers to all. ;-) Netherzone (talk) 22:19, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

mellowing already --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Today: 2 interesting DYK (I think), sadly 2 who died (on top of 2 from Poland yesterday), and a concert in which Daniel Barenboim just played piano, - and afterwards he and the orchestra received last year's prize (pictured). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Today: 3 DYK, including that the author dedicated a summer story to a license plate number ;) - Five rows of images added, sunflowers and butterflies continued, four rows of 15 August alone, - a rich Monteverdi day, - enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, I simply adore your pictures. So many colours. Veramente magnifica! --ARoseWolf 20:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I see more than I used to, thinking of what to send to your "cell". Do you think one of your family could picture "your" mountain and upload it? The uploading is not hard. - My song thinking of you is "Die Gedanken sind frei", DYK? (article not by me, - I would have written it for you, but it was there already) "because my thoughts tear all gates and walls apart" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt. I think a picture could be arranged. I'll definitely pass it on to Brian or one of my brothers. I may have a picture somewhere too. I'll dig around once I get home. I've been meaning to save all of my pictures to the cloud anyway. "Because my thoughts tear all gates and walls apart" is a pretty powerful line but accurate. Walls only serve to separate us. They have no place in relationships between individual Songs. We are meant to openly share our experiences. We are meant to paint Life together with others. Tearing down walls is difficult and dark work but very necessary to allow the Light in to places that need healing and growth. --ARoseWolf 20:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Short version: I took some more, even of sunflowers ;) - Longer version: 28 August was a special concert day in 2013 - we were in the arbcase, and I feared (or let's say was sure) that Andy would be banned. Look. (He wasn't.) - Today the day became more special because Teresa Żylis-Gara, the second soprano to impress me on stage, died, - long live the memory of her beautiful singing, remembered with thanks, and my personal memories also updated, listening to Andreas Scholl singing Bach yesterday and in 2013, a different cantata though. - Longest version: follow links, meet Hillbillyholiday who gave me a tree. - Nourishing food on the personal pics, enjoy, - I think of you even when with dear company, so not much time to post here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

So glad you're heading in the right directions Rose Wolf. Keep taking good care of yourself and you'll be back to 100% in no time.

I am so happy to see this. On the subject of eventually, the future holds great promise. Consider things like this beautiful thesis on days like today. Urve (talk) 02:34, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

So happy to see you are on the mend! Listen to your doctors and keep it going, sister! A smiling guy, GenQuest ^"scribble" 13:47, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

One Year

It's hard to believe its been a year since I found Wikipedia. What I have learned in a year is that this is a difficult yet rewarding place. I have had the good fortune of meeting many amazing people, some of which may not feel the same about me but that's okay. I have learned that there is a lot more to editing here than simply signing in and writing articles, so much more. I am appreciative of the collaboration and especially the discussions where there have been disagreements. We can grow and evolve naturally with no adversity to overcome or reconcile but we learn to appreciate growth when facing those things. My growth here and in life is founded in reconciliation of ideas, thoughts, philosophies, if you will. A comparison of my experiences and thoughts to others. I do not look at disagreements I have had here with others as being a negative whether my thought prevailed in a discussion or not. I take from those discussions and evaluate my own views, apply those thoughts where my evaluations dictate change is needed and evolve to continue my path. I've had a lot of time to think sitting in this bed and captured by the walls of this hospital. It has been a good time for reflection. I recommend anyone set aside that time though please don't get leukemia to do it (lol).

To those I may have offended along the way, my sincerest apologies, and I hope this finds its way to you. Never is it my intention to offend though I understand enough about humanity to know its impossible not to offend someone simply by breathing. I do empathize with you and your views in our discussions are and were valid and considered, always. Where I have made mistakes know that it has not fallen on deaf ears and I take it to heart to make changes in my approach to rectify and correct the trajectory of my journey here constantly. You are the catalyst for my growth. You have not impacted me negatively but helped to affect a positive change in my life and editing here. It's a small consolation, I know, if I could I would formally apologize to each I have offended to convey the sincerity of my heart. You are a jewel and I believe you are precious and I am sorry if anything I said or did damaged you in any way.

To those who have recognized the heart of me and have acknowledged it at some point over the last year, thank you. You are those I consider friend, confidant and the ones I have looked to at, specific times and in general, for strength, guidance and assistance. You have not let me down. Each of you possess something that attracted my being to yours, even if simply as passing ships in the night. It is nice to see the light of others and know I am not alone in a world that can seem, at times, so cold, distant and dark. I have known the depths of the shadow and I have known the depths of love. Love can overcome.

It has been a joy, a privilege and an honor to be among such amazing and talented people for the last twelve months. I hope to continue on this adventure with each of you and I look forward to the future of Wikipedia, my small part in it, and what may be just around the bend of the river. --ARoseWolf 18:12, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Happy anniversary, ARW! I am glad you're here to enjoy the adventure! GenQuest ^"scribble" 04:25, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Happy anniversary! It is hard to wrap my head around you being here for only a year. Seems like our spirits have known each other much longer. Sending you strength and energy for the adventures ahead. SusunW (talk) 12:58, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@SusunW and GenQuest:, thank you both. I have felt the same about several people I have met here, Susun. My personal belief is that our Spirits have tapped into the musical strings of Life where Colors are born and Notes of creativity ebb and flow. We just found that the tones of our hearts, on some level, vibrate at the same frequency and this causes us to feel that depth reaching as far back as humans have existed, through time and space, in each other. It is warm and inviting. A rich and intoxicating love of fellowship. --ARoseWolf 15:35, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

I am inspired by what you have written in this section. I think it is important to acknowledge milestones, such as your 1 Year Anniversary on Wikipedia. For sure, for some editors, it's inconsequential, and then for others -you, me, plus...-, it's a life-changer. Happy Anniversary, Asareel. So glad to have finally met you. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:32, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Rosiestep, I have followed most of you for a year. Unbeknownst to me, I had people following me. Life is a web of strings attaching us to people, places and things which are, themselves, tied to other people, places and things. I see those connections through music and colors. Life is an extraordinary thing we know so little about or understand. We are constantly finding new species of life on the planet our entire human existence has known. It is estimated that we only understand about 15% to 20% of our oceans. There are still possibly hundreds, if not thousands, of new species of fauna, insect and animal yet to be discovered. The human eye, which is one of the most intricately complex cellular organs known to humans, only allows most to see approximately 5% of the known light and objects in the universe. Even with the help of telescopes and various filters we barely scratch the surface. We look out on the darkness of space and think there is nothing there but emptiness. There is so much more. More than our minds can grasp or understand with its finite yet remarkable capacity. But even the human brain is an unknown. Its estimated that the average human uses about 10% of its capacity for learning and understanding. Some utilize more and we call them genius. Mathematicians, scientist, engineers, great composers, poets, painters and sculptors in history, philosophers, doctors, and even some of the biggest villains the world has ever known were thought to use a higher percentage of their brain. The sum total of every human thought is found here on this blue oasis in a vast and complex structure that is our known universe. And that's only what we know and have seen. Some can see more. We call them gifted but in fact its just a part of reality, a part of our genetic code that is unlocked. Its not really superhuman, just more human, fueled by the desire for exploration, and grounded by the common curse that all humans face through time and space and that is the fleeting nature of our personal existence. That is why Wikipedia must succeed and why it must be driven by the need to catalogue humanity. All of its glorious triumphs and all of its less than stellar achievements. The love, the hate, the indifference, war and peace, joy and harmony, sorrow and shame. All of it needs to be recorded and all of it is important to the future understanding where it came from and how it evolved. I'm not saying it falls squarely on Wikipedia but now is the time in which we have been given and we are being asked what we will do with this time. Our decision will determine how well the future understands the strings that bind us together and whether they are able to build upon the Song that is the human existence on this universal plain. Long read, I know, but it gives you a little insight into my world and my overall goals for life which is sometimes masked by actions that seemingly don't line up but I have always had somewhat of an unorthodox way of influencing positive changes in others. --ARoseWolf 14:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, . Rosiestep (talk) 20:39, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Edinburgh

We had a discussion a couple of days ago .... but I cannot remember where, but I remember that you asked for a link to the University of Edinburgh's 50 plus editathons and its here Victuallers (talk) 15:56, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Victuallers, Yes! Thank you! I am working on the list now so this is perfect timing. I am moving entries around to place them in chronological order within their section. --ARoseWolf 16:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Wondering if it wouldn't be best to include this in a paragraph or two about workshops supported or supporting Women in Red with a link to the page rather than listing each edit-a-thon since it coincides with our monthly events within the project itself? It also has a lot of other useful information on the page too. What do you think Ipigott? Rosiestep? --ARoseWolf 16:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, having a section regarding Women in Red's partner organizations would make sense. In addition to the University of Edinburgh, there have been many others. In fact, Victuallers and I first met at the University of Irvine's Women in Red workshop! A friendly FYI: Women in Red's first partner organization was the Guggenheim and the second was the New York Academy of Sciences. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

When she says "met", Rosie means in person, by that time we had done a couple of live presentations together and cooperated on 100s of articles and dozens of editathons. We are presenting at Wikimania on the 15th August (where the emerging history will be mentioned). This will be my fifth talk at a Wikimania, my fourth virtual one and third with Rosie. I hope to add some early history for you, but it feels odd as I have learnt to ignore incomplete accounts/mistakes on Wikipedia where you are involved in the subject. Our collaboration with the BBC, Newnham College and our profile drive via DYK, Twitter and Pinterest etc. are important. Great work. Victuallers (talk) 08:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf: In some cases it may be difficult to see to what extent the WiR virtual editathons led to physical meetings and workshops. Maybe we should simply ask for reactions from our participants and those responsible for associated projects. If Rosiestep agrees, it might already be useful to send a request for reactions and suggestions to our international mailing list, perhaps with a similar request in our WiR invitation for September. I think we should also be careful not to include too many WiR events which are already listed in our template as there have also been similar activities in connection with many of the other women-related projects we have mentioned in the overview.--Ipigott (talk) 10:42, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Ipigott, I definitely agree with keeping it more simple. The balance is finding at what point the list becomes so large that we lose most readers before they make it to the bottom. I don't know that having a complete list of WiR edit-a-thons and events is necessary but I do think highlighting several is important towards conveying the message the list is trying to get out there. I don't know that we simply need to add an event based on results or even participation but, like Ian mentioned, maybe reaching out and getting some feedback would help us narrow down what that criteria needs to be. Victuallers, this has always been a collaboration. If you have anything to add to the history of projects supporting women on any of the Wikimedia platforms then please do add it or let us know what you see that needs to be there. I'm the newbie here. I'm like the little school girl being inundated with so much information that I get lost reading about it all. Everything that all of you have done here leaves me in awe. It's why I felt some intimidation by even taking this on as much as I have. Rosie, Ian and you are so amazing and I put SusunW in that category too. Not that I have idols but if I did you all would be up there. There are so many more from these projects that leave me speechless. I look at all of these projects that we have added and I am blown away by the efforts of so many. Speaking of which, I don't mind saying, Rosiestep, your answers to those questions for the Board of Trustees election was superb and spot on. I thought you were thorough but not too wordy, if that makes sense. I commend you for seeking this position and I really enjoyed reading all of the answers from every candidate. --ARoseWolf 13:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, thank you. I really appreciate our kind words.

As for how much to include vs. not include, I get that this is tricky. Personally, I'm an "Inclusionist" in the wiki world so I'dd opt for gathering all the info you can -historical record sort of thing-, and then parring it down by using the "hide" button for some of it, or even maybe a subpage if that makes sense. Today, WiR is 6 years old, but someday, we'll be 16, 26, 36, 46, 56, etc. years old. This kind of historical record that you're creating is vital to documenting the work that early Wikimedians (e.g. the first 20 years) have done. Wait too much longer, and it'll be easy to forget about who did what and when. Rosiestep (talk) 20:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Rosiestep, I'm glad you mentioned that because I was just thinking about the use of subpages. I can most definitely do that. I am very grateful for the opportunity to work with you all to gather together this historical account and build something that I believe will be beneficial through the years as the projects mature. I don't want the hard work of others to be forgotten or lost to time. I view what this list/article represents as a sort of Wampum belt weaving the colors of our foundation together and so that the generations that join after us know what they are building on. --ARoseWolf 20:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Improvement

Such great news about your health! May you continue to improve!Parkwells (talk) 15:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks Never-fall-p (talk) 16:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC) ARose!

Request

I respectfully request that you clarify what you meant when you said "what the editor said by bringing you into the discussion was completely inappropriate". It was in reference to WP:ANI#Piotrus' concerns about User:BrownHairedGirl, however, MPants was complaining about me despite it being a different editor (Levivich) that brought an MPants thread into the BHG discussion. (Plus, I was not bringing MPants himself into the discussion, I was agreeing that it is odd that the MPants incivility thread did not result in sanctions while the BHG thread resulted in a block [although followed by an unblock, but the thread is still open]). 19:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC) TOA The owner of all ☑️

TOA: I don't see the need in the mud slinging that so many engage in on AN/I and in Arbitration. There was only one reason to bring up another situation to try and make comparison and that is to make a personal point of disagreement and because someone has an axe to grind against the system or individuals. I have said this before and I will repeat it, everyone that is breathing is biased and for their own reasons. Levivich and I agree and disagree on things at times. You and I obviously disagree on some things. I am sure MPants and I disagree an some things. The same could be said about me and many other editors. Without interests there can be no conflict. Conflict of thought and perception can be beneficial when done with an open mind. I refuse to explain, in any detail, every comment I make about my perception or feeling concerning the approach of every editor for which I have agreed or disagreed. Primarily, because I am not here to change their point of view, only adjust and apply my own. I can agree with a principle without agreeing with the approach. I will say that the incivility and pure hatred in some of the comments I've read concerning that thread are astounding, to say the least. It's pure poison and destructive, the way human beings can treat other human beings over a disagreement. Unexpected, no and that's the part that is truly sad. That we have come to expect this kind of language and treatment as permissible in a situation where we are expected to be civilized. My opinion is that there are a lot of mad and angry people who really need some introflection and probably some time away from the computer and encyclopedia. That is all the detail I am able to offer. Excuse me if my expressing empathy for my fellow editor caused you or anyone offense. It doesn't change my opinion and it won't stop me from expressing empathy, regardless of whether the person on the other end is in the right or wrong based on consensus perception. I don't base my life philosophies or personal convictions on consensus perception. --ARoseWolf 20:34, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Riddle

I decided to take you up on asking a riddle on your talk page! Here it goes, hopefully you haven't heard it!

"Solomon the powerful and wealthy king chooses to test his most loyal and trusted minister, Benaiah Ben Yehoyada, by asking of him an impossible task. The king asks Benaiah to find for him a ring, knowing full well that the ring does not exist, which has magic powers. “If a happy man looks at it, he becomes sad, and if a sad man looks at it, he becomes happy,” he tells him. He expresses his desire to wear the ring for Sukkot, which is six months away. After months of searching, Benaiah finds himself, the night before Sukkot, walking through the poorest neighborhood of Jerusalem. He happens upon a jeweler, who, when asked if he’s heard of such a ring, produces from his pocket a plain gold ring, to which he adds an engravement. Benaiah reads the inscription and smiles. He returns just in time on the eve of Sukkot to give the king the ring he has requested. The king laughs and takes the ring, but upon reading the inscription, becomes very sad. What was engraved on the ring?" ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 19:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

FormalDude, Can I pretend I haven't heard it? That would be dishonest. גם זה יעבור "This too shall pass". I've used that in philosophy of Life. Everything is fleeting. Its a great riddle and an even better lesson. --ARoseWolf 19:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Haha I suppose that one was pretty popular; it is a great lesson. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 20:10, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

FormalDude, Thank you for sharing it. No matter how many times I see it I still learn something from it and it's usually very timely. --ARoseWolf 20:11, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Of course, I'm glad you were still able to take something away from it! Got any riddles I could have a crack at? ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 20:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

FormalDude, Una corda di cinque metri è attaccata a un cavallo. Il cavallo è distante 7 metri da una pila di fieno. Come fa il cavallo a raggiungere la paglia? Translated roughly: A 5-meter rope is tied to a horse. The horse is 7 meters from a pile of hay. How does the horse reach the straw? --ARoseWolf 20:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I know, I know. Call me! Call me! GenQuest ^"scribble" 20:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

GenQuest, Answer and then keep it going with one of your own. ;-) --ARoseWolf 20:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh that's a good one. Is it a trick question? Is the rope only tied to the horse and not to anything else? ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 20:36, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

When my Papa would ask riddles and we would answer with more questions he would say, "Are you asking or telling?" (lol) I miss that man so much. Ahhh, positive thoughts. Someone answer. --ARoseWolf 20:39, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

He walks over and eats it (no one says the 5-meter rope is tied to anything but the horse.) Yes / no? GenQuest ^"scribble" 20:55, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Alright, sharpen your pencils: The professor's set of WikiTannicaWorld-cyclopedia on the shelf comprises ten volumes. Each volumes' page section is 2 inches thick. The front and back covers are each 1/2 inch thick. Bobbie the bookroom decides to eat his way through the collection, starting at the outside of the front cover of volume 1, and ending at the last page of volume 10. He can eat 1 inch of pages every hour, and 1 inch of cover material every two hours. What is the quickest Bobbie can finish his journey? GenQuest ^"scribble" 20:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

La corda non è legata a nient'altro. The rope is not tied to anything else. Molto Bene! Very Good! --ARoseWolf 21:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@GenQuest: That's no riddle, that's a math question! XD ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 21:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Sounds like something we learned in school one day. I failed miserably. I much preferred to be chasing bear cubs. The math is simple. Its 39 hours but then its most likely not the answer we are looking for. --ARoseWolf 21:07, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

OK, OK, I'll give you a hint. He does it in 33 hours. Riddle me this, how does he do that? GenQuest ^"scribble" 21:12, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I got 38 hours.

A (number of book page sections to consume) = 10

B (number of book cover sections to consume) = 9

P (thickness of pages) = 2 in. per book volume

C (thickness of covers) = 1 in. per book volume (1/2 in. each)

r (rate of bookworm’s consumption of pages) = 1 hour

q (rate of bookworm’s consumption of covers) = 2 hours

T = Shortest time the bookworm can finish his journey.

APr+BCq = T

(10*2*1)+(9*1*2)=38

T= 38 hours ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 21:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I think I'm going wrong on variable q, I think that should be 1 hour since I put variable C as one inch. But that would change the result of the question to 29 total hours. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 21:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

No actually I went wrong on variable r. It should be 2 hours because it takes 2 hours for the worm to eat 2 inches of pages. So each book would take 4 hours total, and at a total of ten books that would be 40 hours, but he is not eating the last cover, so that takes off one hour to give you 39 hours, as ARoseWolf said. I'm not sure how you get 33 hours. Maybe if I reverse the equation I can figure it out. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 21:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hint #2: ARoseWolf, FD Impressive formulation. Ad you are now on the right track. This one frustrated me no end when it was first proffered to me. Then (after a hint) I applied logic and visualization to it sometime later, and it was a face-palm moment. GenQuest ^"scribble" 21:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hint #3: FormalDude, you gave yourself hint # 3, with all that talk about reversing... GenQuest ^"scribble" 21:41, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Ahh I'm still getting 39:

Pages= 2 hours | Cover= 1 hour

((Cover + Pages + Cover)9) + ((Cover + Pages)1)

((1+2+1)9) + ((2+1)1)

((4)9) + ((3)1)

36+3=39 ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 21:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Even when I factor the equation to it's simplest form, (1 hour)(# of cover sections)+(2 hour)(# of page sections), it still comes to 1(9) + 2(10) = 39. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 21:57, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@GenQuest: Okay I'm done embarrassing myself, what's the answer? ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 22:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

You presented your efforts quite well, FormalDude; I've never seen anyone try a formula on this like you did. I think I used chalk, a blackboard, and a diagram eventually.

Answer: The key is you have to visualize the book collection as it would appear on the professor's shelf, that is reversed. Remember, the front cover of each book is to the right when the books are on the shelf–the back covers are on the left. So Bobbie doesn't even touch book one, since he is starting at its outside cover–he just goes to town eating through the BACK cover of book two which is to the right of him. The eight books (volumes 2–9) to the right of Bobbie's starting point take 4 hours each to tunnel through. (32 hours.) Then, at the other end, he comes out of volume 9 already at the back cover of volume ten, at which point he just eats through the back cover to get to last page (1 hour) leaving all the pages and front cover of volume 10 unmolested. Now its your turn again! GenQuest ^"scribble" 22:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Wow, I definitely should have drawn that out visually. That is (contrary to what I said earlier) quite the riddle! Gonna be a hard one to follow. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 22:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

• A man is lying dead in a field. Next to him there is an unopened package. There is no other creature in the field. How did he die? ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 01:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

  I know this one, and just want to clarify that this is the type of riddle (sometimes called lateral thinking puzzles) where you can ask yes or no questions (sometimes the answer is "it doesn't matter"). I am happy to answer such questions if FD doesn't mind. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 02:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

  Yes, questions encouraged and directed to the wonderful @Firefangledfeathers! ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 02:50, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

  I didn't mean to take over! I was thinking we could work on a "whoever gets to it first" system. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 02:52, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

  No worries! The more people participating the funner it will be ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 02:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

This was fun. I recommend doing this often. Anytime anyone comes up with a riddle they can add it here. Definitely is better with more people involved. --ARoseWolf 12:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

• It belongs to you, but your friends use it more. What is it? ––FormalDude talk 10:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  My inflatable air mattress. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 14:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

  Good answer, @Firefangledfeathers! Other acceptable answers (TIKO) include your doorbell, your name, your patience, or your Netflix account. Your turn if you have one! ––FormalDude talk 12:59, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Riddle: 3 Bulbs

• The electrician you hired was later revealed to have just been three kids stacked up in a trench coat. Thanks to their crayon wiring diagram, you know that the switches for the lights in your basement are all in your attic. Three switches in the attic connect to three light bulbs in the basement, but you do not know which switch goes with which bulb.
  Your laziness, fear of spiders, and commitment to using your Nokia 3310 mean that you need to figure out which switch controls each bulb in only one trip and without using any fancy recording/streaming technology. How do you do it? Firefangledfeathers (talk) 13:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Ave Maria

Gerda Arendt, SusunW, Rosiestep, GenQuest, Ipigott, Ched, Netherzone, Urve, Ritchie333, Atsme, Parkwells, Tryptofish, MjolnirPants

Three months ago I was diagnosed with leukemia. I was listening to Andrea sing Ave Maria this morning and I didn't hear the doctor come in the room. He patiently waited for the song to finish and that's when I noticed him. I really get into the colors of some songs (lol). Three months ago I came here very sick. Today, I am officially in remission. I will be leaving this hospital before the end of the week. My temporary home here is ready for me and I am ready to move forward with life. I can not express how thankful I am for every single person here who ever had a single caring thought for me through this. I believe you have been through this with me and, though the fight is not over, we are winning. I laid here for the past hour crying, tears of relief and tears of joy. Every moment of pain, every setback, every fear was conquered by the outpouring of love, kindness and the caring spirit found all over my talk page. I am so, so, so grateful for each of you. You have been a light for me during some difficult and dark days. I tagged most of you but I am certain I missed a few. I wanted to say thank you!! --ARoseWolf 13:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Asareel, I am literally crying tears of joy! My spirit knew that you were a fighter and my own battle with cancer told me that fighting an illness is just as much of a mental battle as a physical one. I am so happy for you. In the beginning of your journey I told you that I was sitting by your side. Know that I am still there. Best wishes for your speedy return to your life. SusunW (talk) 13:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Susun, I have felt you by my side many days. Thank you for your quiet strength. You pushed me to fight harder. This was my battle and I had to wage it. You are right, in some ways the mental side of this far outpaces the physical. I couldn't have done it without the support of my family and friends. That included my Wiki-family. This community is so unique. I love it. --ARoseWolf 13:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm glad you've got through this. I've seen relatives who haven't been so lucky succumb to cancer and I hope that you really are on the mend. I think we often forget that behind every editor is a human being which we don't know very much about, or at least we only know what we're allowed to know. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:21, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Ritchie. You are so correct. Too many are lost to this disease every year. The very first thing my doctor told me when we started treatments is that this was a marathon. The team here told me this was going to be grueling and hard. I had no idea just how hard. But they also told me that they were going to go through it with me and help me along the way. I can definitely say that staying positive is a key element. I wanted each of you to know a little of what I was going through because I am human and I wanted you to see that side. It does kind of personalize it. --ARoseWolf 13:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Asareel, oh my gosh; such happy, good news! I'm here with my cup of coffee, and one of you, too, giving you a virtual hug. Thank you to modern medicine for helping my friend. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Mmmmm, I love a smooth cup of coffee. Thank you for the hug, Rosie. I'm hugging you tight, my friend. --ARoseWolf 13:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

So glad to hear that you are on the mend and getting sprung soon. Stay strong and play hard. You seem to take things that life throws at you on your terms, A; and I like and admire that! It will serve you well. Very happy for you! p.s.: I will shortly have a Krispy Kreme donut in your honor—I see you already have your coffee. Many cheers, GenQuest ^"scribble" 13:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Enjoy that Krispy Kreme, Gen (lol). I love life, the ups and downs. You can't expect to learn if you don't experience it. Even when it throws you something like this cancer, you just have to keep living until there is no life left. You have to. Its funny but I was asked if I ever had a moment to reflect on the possibilities of this being the end. No, not really. I have too many mountains to climb, too many sunrises to sing to, too many moons to howl at. Too many things to do here on this planet. Even more to do within this encyclopedia. I don't have time for that. Giving up was never and is never an option. I probably never will concern myself with the end. I will most likely be singing and dancing when it comes. --ARoseWolf 15:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm so very glad that everything is going well for you. It's easy to care for good people, so it's no surprise that you have so many supporters. — Ched (talk) 14:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Ched, I have to say that one of my single most favorite moments on Wikipedia was the gift you gave to me of the Rose and the Wolf. You are a sweet and caring person. I honestly and truly love each of you. I haven't met a person here, even those I have had a disagreement with, that I don't respect and love with all my heart. We are humans and we sometimes have conflicts of interest with each other. That does not mean anyone here is my enemy. I leave room for us to be human. From the very first day I opened my eyes I have seen life in my own unique way. You have seen it through yours. How could I say I am right and you are wrong when you have never seen through my eyes and I have never seen through yours. My duty is to love and support. That's what I will do. I will always empathize even if I disagree. I celebrate our scars that reflect where we have been and the hazards of the journey. My path forward is lit so bright from the beautiful souls I have encountered along the way. --ARoseWolf 15:01, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

• Great news, Asareel, and I'm so glad to hear you can now start relaxing again. I never had any doubts you would pull through but it's fantastic to have medical confirmation. All those difficult days in hospital have paid off and next week you'll be able to return to your friends and family. Your contributions to Wikipedia while in hospital have been impressive. I hope you can still find time for us when you get back home. Please let me know if there's anything I can help you with, either on Wikipedia or more generally. Even if you have not been able to see their smiling faces, you obviously have been in the hands of dedicated medical staff. It's so good to hear that they have once again been successful.--Ipigott (talk) 14:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Ian, I don't plan to ever leave this community and I will always do what I can to offer support and assistance where I am able. I still have a journey to seeing all of my family again. I will have to stay close by for additional testing over the next few months to confirm I am in full remission before going home to stay but this is a monumental step. This medical team has been phenomenal from day one. I was so blessed to have them taking care of me. My contributions here seem so small but I enjoy doing them and I fully plan to continue and hopefully become more involved. --ARoseWolf 15:14, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

13 August songs

celebrate

Ave Maria! Returning from an outing with friend, after a great time with others yesterday, I am late to this thread. I dedicate a butterfly to you and your wonderful resilience. Never saw a thing like that butterfly with transparent wings, and never a thing like your strength. How do you like this Ave Maria, sung by Chanticleer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh Gerda!! You have no idea how much you have meant to me. I think I've probably turned to you during the hardest days just trying to stay positive and look to the future. It was hard. I never thought about giving up but there were times when I lost motivation. A picture, a kind word, a cheerful attitude picked me up when I needed it most. You introduced me to so many amazing people I never had the opportunity to meet here, some I have, and opened their Song up to me. You have had such a massive impact on my brief time here as an editor. Thank you for everything and the butterfly too. I don't believe you captured this picture by coincidence, my friend. --ARoseWolf 15:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I love Chanticleer! Thank you for that version of the song. --ARoseWolf 15:50, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

You are right, I thought of you when I took the picture. Also the rose with the green beetle. And of Rosie and Opabinia for the cat ;) - The Chanticleer sang for us in 2000, here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Giedrė Šlekytė conducted, and you would have loved it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

listen to Ave Maria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

New Mexico green chiles

That is wonderful news! You have a strong spririt, and that combined with the excellent medical care licked the leukemia. I'm certain the remission will continue throughout the next few months and into years. You've got this! I never had any doubts that you would get through this with flying colors (pun intended). I will eat some New Mexico green chile in your honor with my breakfast tamale! (Chile and coffee are my drugs of choice, ha ha!) Blessings to all. Netherzone (talk) 15:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Netherzone, Yes, Yes! Eat a chile for me. Thank you for your faith in my recovery. The medical team here definitely was an enormous factor. I am just so excited! I am beside myself. The nurse came in for vitals and told me I am simply glowing. Probably all the radioactivity but, hey, glow any way you can (lol). Honestly though, it's me reflecting the beautiful light that is everyone here. You all are my blessing. --ARoseWolf 16:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Netherzone me too! Two words Marie Sharp's. SusunW (talk) 19:24, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, A girl that knows her priorities, good food (lol). --ARoseWolf 19:27, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, Hi, fellow chile lover! I swear by the fact that chile is serious medicine. Sometimes in the Fall I will buy a ten pound sack, roast it, peel it, and freeze it for the coming cold weather. I never wear gloves, and absorbing the chile juice through the skin like that makes EVERY little ache and pain throughout my body go away - for days. I think it also has mood-elevating properties that give a person a sense of well being. And it makes the house smell so good. Sounds like you have a great chile sauce collection; I will have to look for Marie Sharp's. Netherzone (talk) 19:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone and ARoseWolf: And in honor of Alaska, her "Smokin' Marie's" was inspired when she watched Salmon being smoked there. OMG, it is divine! And yes, living in the land of no winter (yay!) we get all sorts of chiles fresh year round. The do have amazing healing properties.

@Netherzone and SusunW: I keep an herb garden inside and we have a small greenhouse that I grow some vegetables in during the growing time which isn't long. My favorite is wildflower salads. I can grow things a little longer because of the heated greenhouse but nothing is going to hold by -60°F for long so I am still limited by that. My eldest brother wants to build a larger greenhouse but, I keep telling him and he understands, the larger it is the harder it is to keep warm. We may have to go with several smaller ones. --ARoseWolf 19:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I love wild flower salads! SusunW (talk) 20:14, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

The Smokin' Marie's hot sauce sounds excellent, as do the wildflower salads (but not necessarily at the same time.) Netherzone (talk) 20:21, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, Mmmm, girl, we need cultural exchange time. I'm petitioning the UN. I'll bring the wild flower salad, you bring the chile's and hot sauce. Netherzone, you want in on this? You can bring Tamale's. Its been a while since I've had a good one. --20:24, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Tamales are best when made collectively, so I'll bring the masa and cornhusks and we can all construct them together! Netherzone (talk) 20:52, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

OMG, ARoseWolf, fabulous idea! Netherzone there is a torilliaria 1/2 a block from my house where we can get masa freshly ground (methinks customs wouldn't let you bring it in). Also here they do tamales in banana leaves rather than corn husks. It'd be cool to make both so we can compare. I have banana trees in the back yard, as well as a chaya bush (tree spinach), which makes amaaaaaazing tamales. I shall try very hard not to eat up all my Smokin' Marie's, because right now travel to and from Belize is limited. (Usually I have a steady supply as every visitor from there knows what to bring me, LOL) SusunW (talk) 19:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, Yummy, freshly made masa and a selection of banana leaf and corn husk tamales, with different fillings. I'm not a vegetarian, so I do eat pork & red chile tamales and chicken and green chile tamales, but cheese and green chile is one of my favorites also. I sometimes make slightly sweet breakfast tamales with dried fruit filling that gets softened during the steaming process. Pour a little cream on top before eating, and wow! Do you use the chaya as a filling or a wrapping? Tree spinach sounds AMAZING! Are you in Belize? For some reason I thought Costa Rica. Netherzone (talk) 22:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Netherzone Southern Mexico now (Yucatán), but before that in Belize. I'm not a vegetarian either, but I do eat vegetarian a lot. Chaya, cheese and caramelized onions with or without grilled meat is typical here and I love green chile or red chiles in them. That fruit one sounds amazing. SusunW (talk) 01:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

I am so happy to hear this news, and so happy for you! (I take it as a victory whenever I log in here and find good news instead of bad.) We only crossed editing paths recently, but I can truly say that every interaction we have had has been an absolute pleasure. And the thought of a greenhouse full of vegetables is such a lovely one. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Tryp. I agree that it has been a pleasure. I try to keep it that way though the opposite is sometimes unavoidable. it's especially lovely when you can have a greenhouse full of fruits and vegetables in the Arctic Circle. It looks like a rain forest in my little greenhouse during the short growing season (lol). With my sickness this year the greenhouse is, sadly, dormant. I've been helping them prepare from here as much as I can. We would normally start winter supply runs this month but we are two weeks behind on those already. It's going to be close. The first real snows could fall as soon as the end of September into early October so the race is on. They will be starting to get some twilight now but only about four to five hours of it. We will start seeing temps on the decline now. High's everyday are in the upper 40's to low 50's and it will get down to near freezing at night. In September it really starts declining fast. In another three to four weeks we will see low temps drop into the lower 20's and 10's. --ARoseWolf 12:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

WOW, Wolfie! Wonderful news! It's time to celebrate!! Atsme 💬 📧 19:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Atsme, Yesssss! Celebrate life with me! I danced myself to exhaustion yesterday (lol). It was fun, though I was told to not overdo it. I have a permanent smile that can't be altered though. My Song is extra bubbly and I can't keep it inside. It just flows freely so everyone gets some loving virtual hugs. I am so excited to be leaving the hospital though. And I will get to hold my daughter for the first time in months which hits me so hard every time I think about it causing me to smile through tears of joy now. Ahhh, emotions!! --ARoseWolf 19:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

This is wonderful to hear, my friend. I saw your ping almost immediately but have wondered how to respond to something so joyous. But as I went on a walk tonight, thinking of what to say, I looked at the sky, weblike with its stars, punctured, the moon occluded by its own shadow, I thought about navigating knowledge and fragility and incompleteness and the impossible task of representation. (I think of the quote I shared before.) There is a wonderful song by Cap'n Jazz, "Oh Messy Life", that I have loved since I first heard it - and which has made its way into many of the papers I've written over the years, from subjects ranging from pure math to epistemology. "Fire is motion / Work is repetition / This is my document / We are all all we've done". Your life is your document - and that includes Wikipedia - and you are so much. Urve (talk) 06:38, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Awwww, thank you for this, Urve. We are all that we have done and it is beautiful to me. I absolutely love listening to our Life Song's. It's hard to explain how I actually see our lives, our contribution to this symphony. I adore this movie I watched years ago because, though it is a fictitious story, it gives us a glimpse into a world most will never see. I live with it every day. Music IS all around us. We are music, life is music. A while ago I heard sound recordings from outer space from NASA, all of these celestial bodies putting on a show for us, and I know the songs they play. I hear them in us. It doesn't matter whether I am in a city or home in the mountains. Everything moves to a frequency. Everything vibrates, even the Earth beneath us. We are no different. We have strings and the notes of our unique Life and personality are played on those strings. As the notes of our Song are played the sounds expand out from us in waves of color. We are Rainbows of music. It's really very beautiful and, yes, messy. There are skips, a lot like when vinyl records would get scratched and it would skip and jump, that thump. Those are the scars made from collisions in life with things, people and experiences that moved at different frequencies. These scars tell the story of where we have been, what we have come through. They will also help guide us to where we want to be. There is nothing more beautiful than the human Song. We just have to be willing to listen. --ARoseWolf 13:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Your comment just above reminded me of something. In case you haven't heard of it already, there is: this. It's hardly anything as momentous as outer space, but it is a sort of musicalized real-time record of Wikipedia recent changes. It's interesting and relaxing, in my opinion, in a synthetic music sort of way. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:55, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Tryptofish, it is relaxing. I love it! It is very enjoyable to hear our collective work in the form of music. Thank you so much for sharing it with me. --ARoseWolf 19:08, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Such good news! May it continue... Parkwells (talk) 21:10, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Parkwells, thank you for that. I appreciate your positive words so much. They are life to me. --ARoseWolf 13:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Your appreciation and joy in life have been inspiring to us all -Parkwells (talk) 20:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Dear User:ARoseWolf, as a fellow Wikipedian, I'm happy to hear about your recovery and hope that you are blessed with happiness! With regards, Anupam^Talk 21:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Anupam. Very kind and sweet of you to say and I appreciate it. --ARoseWolf 19:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome! God willing, you will be back in full health soon! Anupam^Talk 19:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Hi, '...if I ever am brought up before Arbitration I will not defend myself.' I understand. However, not defending one's self is ironically one of the main FoF for which Arbcom invariably choose to close by sanctioning the accused whether guilty or not, and generally with the most severe punishment they can convince the community is necessary. It happens often. I speak from first-hand experience.

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:27, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Kudpung. I know this all too well. I read your interactions with ArbCom months ago and your experience is one of the factors that made up my decision. If I am sanctioned more harshly for not defending myself against the proverbial "firing squad" then so be it. I do not feel it just to subject someone to the kind of mud-slinging destructive process that is the typical ArbCom case involving the perceived behavior of others based solely on the bias of those who oppose them. We suddenly view other people as obstacles that must be overcome and defeated at any cost and ArbCom then becomes a weapon to accomplish this goal. Sifting through diff's to try and find any little nugget to use as a means to trash another person's character and demean them out of existence is something I will not tolerate. I stand by my statement knowing full well the implications and consequences. I don't anticipate it ever happening as I typically do not edit in very contentious discussions and when I do I try to bring a level of understanding and peaceful reflection though I am human and will make mistakes.

When the Nazi's took over a region or another country they convinced locals that the Jews and other minorities among them were the reason for why their life seemed miserable and why they were not wealthy. They even blamed these groups for why others would get sick. They then asked the populace what they thought should be done to these groups that were holding them back. The obvious answer was punishment. But that wasn't severe enough so the answer became to deprive them of all the things these people believed they were being deprived of, life, liberty, wealth and health. At first they formed local police forces that would exact these punishments upon the "guilty". Soon they were instructed to drag these individuals and families out of their homes and dispose of them as you would trash on the street. Some refused but very few did. Why? Why was it not abhorrent to our humanity that they were being instructed to end another life? Because they had been conditioned, even without knowing it, that this other life was going to end them if they didn't. They were being told this other life is a threat to their own. I think, to a lesser degree, this is prevalent in other areas of life, including Wikipedia. I would never wholly compare wat happens here to the atrocities committed there but the principle behind it is the same. In truly egregious cases of behavior we should take corrective measures to protect others. But in the majority of the ArbCom cases I have reviewed I simply see humans being humans and it didn't warrant the comments given or decisions rendered. that is not to blame the arbitrators, specifically, though there is enough there to do so in some cases, as much as it is a rebuke of the community that, so often, refuses to work through issues rather than run to ArbCom to resolve them for us. --ARoseWolf 14:37, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I sure do hope that, for both you and the kitten, it never actually comes to pass that any of this comes about. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Tryptofish, that is a cute kitten though. --ARoseWolf 20:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Sifting through diff's to try and find any little nugget to use as a means to trash another person's character and demean them out of existence... This is indeed sadly exactly what happens, and the more one chooses not to defend one's self, the more severe the accusations are made to appear, and increasingly more trolls jump on the bandwaggon. Even Arbcom members allow themselves to overstep the bounds of decency (diffs available), but they are the truly 'untouchables'. Decent Wikipedians can only hold on to a glimmer of hope that the likes of Chris Sherlock (goodness knows why he was ever allowed back and to continue his spree) are as rare as they probably are, but he'll be back in yet another disguise and choosing another victim for his (as hinted here by Llywrch) pathological game.

A propaganda message is aligned to popular perception (such as in our case 'all admins are bad people'), and when it has already gained the attention of the people, the bigger the lie is, the more it is likely to be believed. Hitler knew how to use this perfectly. Resentment in Germany towards the Treaty of Versailles was strong after WW1, and the Weimar Republic was unable to do anything about it and Germany broke down in chaos. Hitler gave the people elements: 1. an awareness of the threat to the German ideal - an ideal that goes back to the strict and pompous order of the Hohenzollern or even earlier, and 2. A promise to do something about it, and using the Jews and the Bolsheviks as scapegoats (propaganda always works best if you give the people a punching bag). When taken to task about their decisions, Arbcom simply raises its hands and says "We're only doing our job". So did the German jurists, police, and 'clean' military who enforced the Nuremberg Laws and carried out the Endlösung. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Kudpung, "I was only following orders" is what you would typically hear. That sounds a lot like "We were only doing our jobs". There is no order that can be given which removes the basic rights every human being should be afforded and there is no job that one should be allowed to hide behind as an excuse for violating the basic rights of others. The human Song should be treated with dignity and respect. I do not want to get into specifics on Chris' time here but I believe he was allowed to leave with some semblance of dignity and I wish him the best in life. I have communicated with Chris in the past, both on and off-wiki, and I have and will continue to treat him with respect as a human being while also maintaining filters that will protect myself and others from negativity.

Shortly after WW2 a study was conducted in the US to try and determine how anyone could do the things that were done at the concentration camps in Germany and Poland. A group of people were brought into an auditorium and were given instructions about this experiment that was being performed. They were told that the test was being conducted on individuals that had committed crimes against humanity. They were handed forms that contained biographies on every convicted person used for the experiment. They assured everyone in the room that these individuals had been convicted by the US judicial system. The convicts were supposedly lead into a room and strapped to a desk. They had a monitor placed on their head to measure brain activity and they had diodes attached to their skin at various location that would administer a shock of varying degrees that was controlled by a system of dials and buttons on a console located in an adjacent room. One of the people from the auditorium that was "randomly" selected from the public to be in the experiment was lead to this adjacent room and given instructions on how to operate the console. They were told they would be informed by the "chief" doctor in control of the experiment as to what power level to use and when to push the button to administer the shock. They always started low but eventually these people were instructed to administer fatal levels of electricity to the convicted person in the other room. NO ONE refused to push the button effectively killing another human being. Even hearing the screams of those in the other room did not deter them. They all chose to kill this other human going simply on what others, they presumed in authority, had told them about the individuals and when questioned afterwards they almost all said they were told these were bad people and so they followed orders given by the authority over the experiment. Some did hesitate but eventually pushed the button. They were asked why they hesitated and they said they didn't want to be responsible for the death of another human but, ultimately, concluded that the authorities must know what they are doing and so they followed the instructions out of fear of being ridiculed for not obeying a direct order. We are all capable of this. No one is immune. We must recognize this and never allow ourselves to lose sight of the fact that human dignity is not contingent upon what someone else says. There are consequences to actions but unless you physically witnessed those actions and have a complete understanding of every aspect of the situation then how could we ever believe we have the right to pass judgement upon another human. We damn sure shouldn't be executioner of any punishment simply based upon what an "authority" tells us. --ARoseWolf 13:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Would like to point out that no one was actually harmed in the experiment. It was all conducted to see if people would follow orders blindly or simply based upon what was being told to them by someone they would view as being an authority. Had it been real, over 50 humans would have lost their lives based upon what an authority said. I'm reminded of what I was told years ago, "Every villain is a hero to their side". --ARoseWolf 13:25, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Hi ARoseWolf! I really like the Teahouse response you gave here to the editor passionate about skateboarding. We should all strive to give helpful friendly empathetic responses like this. Keep up the good work!

GoingBatty (talk) 20:18, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

GoingBatty, Thanks! Spreading love anyway I can. --ARoseWolf 20:28, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

I totally second this. What a lovely response. You deserve two kittens! ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 20:34, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

@Kudpung, GoingBatty, and FormalDude:, thank you so much for the kittens. I miss my Persephone. My daughter says she sits in the window watching for me to come home. She'll have to wait just a little longer. I appreciate this more than I can express. It's very sweet and thoughtful of all of you. --ARoseWolf 11:39, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Inquiring minds want to know: do Alaskan kittens play with the ice worms? GenQuest ^"scribble" 14:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

GenQuest, My cat hardly ever goes outside the house up at the homestead. Too many things may see her as a quick meal, although, when we lived in Haines she would chase off the bears. I literally saw her chase bears from my property down there on multiple occasions. --ARoseWolf 15:50, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

That's a brave cat! ––FormalDude talk 09:36, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

FormalDude, she isn't brave, she's just the goddess of the underworld. What bear has a chance against that? lol --ARoseWolf 12:42, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

A poem

I thought of giving this to JPL, but felt he might misunderstand my intention. Narky Blert (talk) 21:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Narky Blert, I would send it to him and just say that its a site you thought he might enjoy reading through. Let him take that journey of discovery if he chooses to or not. I think its very thoughtful of you. All we can do is point people in the direction of things we think that might help them. They have to decide to walk that path. They have to decide if it is a help for them or not. --ARoseWolf 13:29, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	I see you, ARoseWolf! Next camper I down will be dedicated to you, whether you like it or not (I suspect not). Kind (kind!) regards, El_C 15:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

El_C, If there was a barnstar for making Asareel choke on her tea with laughter then you would be the very illustrious owner of such a prestigious and rare award. It would amount to about .00000000000000000001% notability, give or take a zero or ten, so you have that going for you. Thanks for the laugh and for seeing me. I really appreciate the act of kindness in giving me this barnstar of kindness. My cat would be proud or stare at me with the usual indignant look she gives any creature she believes beneath her royal status. --ARoseWolf 15:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Nice. Well, you know the old proverb: Cats get the family ham! El_C 15:44, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Also: here's an unconventional Ave Maria and here's a more conventional one, just to temper my COD gunning nonsense. El_C 15:30, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

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Question from Mr.Bayja (22:48, 26 August 2021)

Здравствуйте. Как я могу опубликовать свои данные в Wikipedia --Mr.Bayja (talk) 22:48, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

@Mr.Bayja: Надеюсь, я правильно перевожу. Я не говорил по-русски несколько лет. Добро пожаловать в Википедию. Вы пытаетесь разместить данные о себе? --ARoseWolf 11:52, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

(Вы действительно хороши в этом.) GenQuest ^"scribble" 17:18, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

GenQuest, Мне пришлось научиться немного говорить по-русски, когда я посетил Санкт-Петербург много лет назад. Я хотел посетить Москву, но мы не хотели останавливаться, поэтому просто ездили по городу. Я самоучка, поэтому я уверен, что делаю много ошибок. --ARoseWolf 12:39, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Xa-xa! Учил себя русскому? Гений! Смешной! и круто! Код секретности. -Iskatel' Genealogii

Iskatel' Genealogii, Вообще-то, моим кодом секретности был идиш. Только мой папа и моя бабушка могли говорить на идиш. Когда мы с бабушкой хотели поговорить о личном и интимном, мы всегда использовали идиш. Мой папа не разрешал публично говорить ни на каком другом языке, кроме английского, потому что он не хотел, чтобы другие люди чувствовали себя неловко рядом с нами. Моя бабушка помогала мне нарушать правила, за что папа всегда строго смотрел на меня, но часто озорно улыбался. --ARoseWolf 13:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks!

ARoseWolf, Thanks for your kind comments! T. E. Meeks (talk) 12:45, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Rose

	The Rose Barnstar
	Dear Rose, my 🌹 For you, As Your Name's Rose, And its Green Leaf as Your Valid/Precious Contributions on The Wikipedia, And its Beauty as your Beautiful User Page. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 06:22, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

September songs

September songs

You are the first to get September songs, and I go and chase more images ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, Ooooooo, wow, the first? Thank you so much, beautiful Light. I love the grapes. Reminds me of my grandparents vineyards in Italy. I have run through the rows of grapes quite a few times. Also the time I met Andrea Bocelli and he sang happy birthday to me. Sigh-so many great memories from what seems like a lifetime ago. --ARoseWolf 13:53, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Just returned from about the same area: no leaf colours yet. Pics to come eventually, want to improve the concerto for two cellos first. Congrats to Bocelli having sung for you birthday! (May we know which day? I talked to Andreas Scholl once, walking from one concert to the next, and he said the Agnus Dei from the Mass in B minor was the best music an alto could sing. That was his encore last Friday. Also Graham playing a new piece for me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:59, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, my birthday is February 14th. I'm a Valentines Aquarius. --ARoseWolf 19:02, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Nicely easy to remember ;) - mine is when Graham played as you probably guessed --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:06, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, I figured as much. I was bogged down at that time with everything. I should have said something. I apologize for being absent minded. My focus was just on getting well. --ARoseWolf 19:15, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

I am sorry, I didn't intend for you to feel you missed something. Getting well IS your focus, for all of us. How do you like the Ave Maria I gave you further up? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, Nooooo, you didn't make me feel bad or anything. I just hate to miss out on special days for my friends. Birthdays were like most holidays growing up, we didn't celebrate many. That was the compromise my Catholic Mama and my Jewish Papa made with each other. They acknowledged special days but we never celebrated outwardly. They viewed them as a personal journey. We were allowed to determine our own beliefs and build our own philosophy, many included religious viewpoints. The exceptions to the celebration rules were my 13th birthday and when I turned 18 and left to live with my brother in Nepal for a year or so. That was quite the interesting experience. On my 13th birthday my grandmother made me read through the Torah. I read for nearly five hours, out loud, in Hebrew. Then we celebrated with both an Italian and Hebrew meal. I look back on my childhood and early teens very differently than most would. Many would call it tragic, it certainly contained a lot of that, and some would call it odd, very fitting, but I see it as a very rich and deeply meaningful journey to where I am now. --ARoseWolf 19:51, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

I admire you for reading for five hours aloud in Hebrew! I made one edit to the Hebrew Wikipedia and needed help from a friend who is from Israel. It was in 2013, and I found it again within the first 500. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, most languages I know are self-taught but a few, like Hebrew and Yiddish, were taught to me by my grandmother. She was my school teacher early in my life. Then my Mama became my teacher. I had issues which kept me from attending public school like my siblings but I still excelled and graduated high school. I was also a pretty good archer competing in state competitions. Btw, English was, by far, the hardest to learn for me. --ARoseWolf 20:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, oh, and I have only ever enjoyed everything you have shared with me, including Ave Maria. You have truly enriched my life with every encounter. Thank you! --ARoseWolf 20:16, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Omas gegen Rechts - enjoy strong women! I thought of Yoninah on the first day of Rosh Hashanah --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Rich Main page today: first TFA by promising author, pictured DYK by my friend LouisAlain who is discouraged by an AN discussion, and one of the Recent deaths. Enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Especially for you: 9/11 pic --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

today: moar music, Beethoven, and my brother was in the orchestra, 10 July --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

today next chapter, about chance - have a good going home --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:09, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for improving articles in September, - a good harvest! New pics added, one with some resemblance to the one you quoted from Sandstein, below. On Peace Day, Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:29, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

today: a woman in red, two who died under "in memoriam" and LouisAlain missed - my first editnotice read: "Every editor is a human being" which is quoted from a comment by Geometry guy in a 2012 discussion on WP:AN. I updated my images, - which one do you like best? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Fluent in French?

Hey! I noticed you replied to someone on the teahouse who asked something in French and translating it through Google it appeared to make sense. It made me wonder if you had used Google Translate or if you're actually fluent in speaking (/writing) in French. I looked at your profile and saw nothing indicating you would be fluent in French (considering you lived in Italy for a while so it seems more likely that you would be fluent in Italian). So what's the answer, did you use Google and it happened to make sense when being translated back or are you actually fluent in French? Thanks! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 16:02, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, I am pretty fluent in French though not the Parisian French that I responded in. Provence, Dauphiné, Savoy and Nice all border the Piedmont region of Italy. If you visit the region you will hear a mixture of Italian and French as well as the accustomed differences in dialect one would expect. I do not use Google translator for French, Russian, Spanish, Italian, Hebrew, Yiddish, Portuguese or German. I may not be able to speak it well but I understand most of those languages and if I run across a word I do not understand I usually ask so that I can learn further. I have heard that Google translator teaches very little and gets a lot of things wrong. --ARoseWolf 16:27, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Ah that's cool. I didn't even know there were different types of French. You're not wrong that Google Translate isn't all that good (hence the reason a lot of people have been putting things through multiple layers of Google Translate and it coming out completely different), however I think for a rough translation in more common/popular languages it does alright. However in languages such as Urdu for example, Google Translate shouldn't be used. Thanks for informing me on this. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 16:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, you are most welcome. There are dialects in almost every language. Notice that I called it the Piedmont region of Italy. That is because Italian spoken where I lived is slightly different than the Italian spoken in Rome though I have taught myself to speak several dialects. I am human and prone to a less than perfect delivery. When I speak to others it is generally standard Italian but words slip. We were only allowed to speak English in public once we moved to the US. We had to speak only Italian or Hebrew at home. --ARoseWolf 16:43, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh wow. Was that your parent's decision or is speaking English in public just not allowed in Italy? Apologies for my curiosity, I've lived in the US my entire life and have never visited other countries (outside of video games) so I don't know what it's like in other countries. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 18:28, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, My parent's rule. My Papa was concerned that speaking Italian or Hebrew in public would make people think we were talking about them and because his business was reliant upon public perception he felt that was inappropriate. At the same time, they had an appreciation for heritage and so they wanted us to maintain that so we only allowed to speak those languages in the home. --ARoseWolf 19:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok. Again thanks for telling me about stuff like this! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 19:38, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, Of course, I don't mind sharing anything I can. As I noted in a discussion I just had, we are not solo dancers in life. We learn by watching others dance and sometimes we are lucky enough to have another person to dance with us. --ARoseWolf 19:56, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Question from Thortheregnarok (05:07, 9 September 2021)

Who do i write a new article --Thortheregnarok (talk) 05:07, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@Thortheregnarok: Check Help:Your first article and WP:PILLARS - AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 05:15, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

AssumeGoodWraith, Thank you! --ARoseWolf 11:15, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

ANI

Hi, you said WP:AGF is non-negotiable. WP:CIVIL is non-negotiable. Both probably need to take a break or both might end up with a TBAN, or more, and before you say anything. Please clarify which one of my messages violated these. we can all see your talk page and we know you've had some issues with civility in the recent past. I am open to discussing this, however, this was a seperate issue with another editor and has no relationship to the current discussion at ANI. The disparaging remarks on ethnicity and back-in-forth as if this is a battleground needs to stop. I did not comment on other user's ethnicity, I did not disparage anyone's ethnicity. I am willing to make a further explanation if you quote the most violative message I posted but I strongly believe that there is no such comment in any of my messages. Best regards.--V. E. (talk) 21:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Visnelma, my statement was made on AN/I based on the assessment of this case. I choose not to discuss it further outside of the staements I have made but if you want to include your views please do so at AN/I. I believe my statements need no further clarification. Happy editing! --ARoseWolf 17:47, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Clarification

Hi, regardless of your opinion, I thank you for sharing your thoughts on ANI. However, there is one point I want to clarify: I neven accused ZeusAmmon1 over his ethnicity; probably the reason for why you thought like that is ZeusAmmon1's misquotation of one of my messages. I am not urging you to write a respond at ANI; however, I don't want you to think me to be a person who really did that either. Stay well and best regards.--V. E. (talk) 20:52, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Visnelma, Regardless of what I concluded from my assessment I do not think ill of you personally. I understand how off-wiki groups can be frustrating, especially when they are trying to influence what is included on Wikipedia. It is a serious issue and it should be addressed. The same for sock puppets. My call is for continued civility and kindness from everyone. Just a reminder for all of us. --ARoseWolf 21:06, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Going Home

SusunW, Gerda Arendt, all my other Wiki-friends and fellow jaguars, I have received the all clear to return home. I will be spending this week helping my sister-in-law with the plans and communicating with my brothers back home. With any luck we will be leaving here within a week and make a pitstop to order supplies that will be delivered in the next couple of weeks. I will have a reduced presence for the next week but will still check in as often as possible. I am excited to be going home and getting life back to as normal as I am used to. Thank you so much for all of your thoughts, caring words, prayers, songs and pictures. You have no idea what they have meant to me or how they have seen me through very difficult days. I know many believe it was my strength that got me through and is the reason I am here today. I do have an inner strength that is powerful but there were times when even it waivered. Your strength, your love, your kindness pushed me towards the goal of complete recovery and still does. Finding this community and this encyclopedia to invest my time into has been extremely beneficial and I am eternally grateful. --ARoseWolf 19:05, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

This is such excellent news, Asareel. I am so excited for you. Literally dancing in celebration. May you have a safe journey home and your homecoming be filled with love, laughter, music, and rainbows. SusunW (talk) 19:23, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I, too, am very happy to hear this! Good news, indeed! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:53, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

@SusunW and Tryptofish: You both are so cool. Thanks for your responses. I'll take a few days to get readjusted once I get there and then my sister-in-law and I are planning on taking our daughters backpacking. It wont be far from the homestead, just a few miles, but I so just want to be out in the fullness of nowhere. I love the sounds of the city but I also need my quiet nature. Just have to ease back into it. --ARoseWolf 11:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

After our sojourn in Belize, which I loved but was difficult in a lot of ways, I decided I would never again not live in a city. I missed the hustle and bustle, the people, the "aliveness" of it, and admittedly the medical service and internet. However, though I live in the heart of the city, literally "Centro", I have a massive garden, full of banana, orange, and lime trees, flowers, hummingbirds, iguanas, possums, the daily migrating parrots, and tons and tons of bees and butterflies. When I am out there (many times daily unless it is raining), you cannot hear the city and it is bliss. I totally get it. Have fun, don't overdo it but at the same time push yourself, build your strength. Most importantly, love your life and the people in it. SusunW (talk) 13:32, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, I love the sounds. Oh, Susun, walking amongst other people and listening to them living life is like sitting through a concert and listening to a symphony feature every instrument. Its breathtaking in all its majestic beauty. I am in love with people, with our colors, with our songs, with our dance in life. Sometimes I wonder how that impacts me here. I'm not a great writer or a phenomenal researcher. The words I share are from the heart. I make edits where I can and I write new articles as I can find sources but I'll never be as prolific an editor as some here that have written hundreds of featured or even good articles. I am okay in my own skin being who I am while also pushing myself to expand, learn and be better. --ARoseWolf 14:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

It is all of that, but it also can be overwhelming, thus the need for sanctuary and a place to escape from "peopling" from time to time. You are a story-teller, when a story speaks to you, you tell it. SusunW (talk) 14:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, the best stories are the ones we live. --ARoseWolf 15:25, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

I just saw the "headline", Going Home, on your page and I am so happy for you. Going Home: it is relatable to everyone, any language, anywhere. But, of course, to know that you wrote it, is lovely. I hope all the days ahead -whether on city roads or backpacking trails- shine bright for you. Looking forward to reading about what's ahead as your writing is an inspiration. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:54, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Rosiestep, Thank you for such a lovely message. I think my next step is going to be getting all my journal entries together this Winter and, hopefully, get it to Ian in the Spring to look at options for publication. That and pictures. With any luck I may be an author one day soon. On Wikipedia I need to finish the article on Wild River and then I need to write one for Wild Lake. --ARoseWolf 16:09, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Great! And what a wonderful image to go along! In case you have an extra minute sometime: today is the day of bold red and black, for Dante who died 700 years ago, and Peter Fleischmann who died recently, leaving us films full of vision. Dante: just heard Inferno, imagined by a woman, the main character both speaking and singing with an inner 4-part voice! - Looking forward to you as an author! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, inner voices sounds like me. lol Everyone thinks I'm crazy. Maybe I am. Grandfather visits me and animals sometimes speak to me, obviously not with a voice like ours but I still understand them. When we first moved to this homestead I was talking to a friend on my tablet and I felt my ears burn red hot. I walked outside to cool off and Brian followed me. I sat down on the steps and I heard some drums. I'm crazy but not that crazy. We do have Native's in our area so its possible though not likely. It could have been my heartbeat too. Anyway, next thing we both know an older male wolf comes out of the wood line and zigzags over to me sitting on the steps. Brian went to get the rifle we keep behind the door but I stopped him. The wolf laid his head in my lap and closed his eyes for what seemed like forever but was actually only about three minutes. I rubbed his head while he just stayed there. After three minutes he lifted his head, drank some water from a bowl beside me I had set outside for the dogs to drink from, looked at me, shook himself and turned and zigzagged back to the wood line then disappeared. Truly bizarre and had Brian not been standing there no one in this world would have believed me but its all true. I think maybe the Spirits of the land were welcoming me but everyone has their own thoughts on it. The very next day I started renegotiations for logging on property that we bought. For every tree taken there are three planted and I severely limit the amount taken. Also, most of our portion of the profits go to the local Athabascan tribes that were stewards of the land long before we arrived. We also set to tear down any fencing, which there wasn't much, but what was up did limit caribou migration through the area. My goal has always been to restore the land, not further divide it. --ARoseWolf 18:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

I imagine you with the wolf, eyes closed!! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:00, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, that's not even my first encounter with wolves. I was adopted by a small pack in Southern Alaska. That's a long but interesting story I will have to tell you sometime. I still think about them often and I took Ariana to meet them once. I wrote a journal entry from her perspective as well as mine. --ARoseWolf 19:07, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Excellent. Great news! GenQuest ^"scribble" 03:00, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Asareel, I came here to post a "thank you" for reminding that one user that WP:IAR doesn't exempt them from WP:NPA, and for sticking up for me. Glancing over the recent discussions here I also want to take the opportunity to wish you health and to say that I admire your perspective on community and purpose in life. I wasn't aware of any disagreements you and I have had in the past, though of course these could be opinions which you have kept to yourself as is your right. If you feel like unpacking what you were referring to I would welcome that, but likewise I would understand if you have other priorities. In any case, just wanted to reach out to say that I value and appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, and (I'm sure) to the world we share. Generalrelative (talk) 18:37, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Generalrelative, I am so sorry. I didn't mean to give the impression that we have actually had disagreements in the past. I don't know of any at all. I sometimes do the very thing my Grandmother used to do. She talked in parables and riddles of sorts but it was always to educate and make me think from a different perspective. In me saying that we may disagree on many things what I am saying is that we might have disagreements that neither of us know about. It just leaves room for our very nature as humans. What my intention was is to say disagreements should never result in us not being able to be kind, respectful and understanding of each other nor does it give us a pass to violate policy here. It's easy to be civil when we agree on things. True civility is found when we passionately and emphatically disagree on something. That's when we find out if we truly understand and appreciate each other. Again, I am so sorry if there was confusion. Thank you for the kind and beautiful message you left and for your continued well wishes. I appreciate them more than any words can express. --ARoseWolf 19:01, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Aha, no need to apologize! I had clearly read too much into it. It is indeed a good practice to emphasize that disagreement should never be equated with conflict. As you say, true civility only really shows up in the context of lively and even passionate debate. Thanks for that reminder, and for your thoughtful engagement. Generalrelative (talk) 19:41, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

UNIVAC

Hi there!,

Sorry if this is extra I just found a page on here that I want to share with someone who knows a bit more about this big project than me. I found you via stumbling into the PumpkinSky Award wikipage then Phaedriel then Gerda Arendt's talk page but not knowing how to reach out to her and then seeing your comment thanking her for her work and then seeing your user page mention your desire to honor your indigenous family and ancestors and your wiki philosophy and then also reading the wikipedia principles by hammersoft that you shared (thank you).

So with that context out of the way: I made a really messy post on the talk page for this "nonexistent article" (I can't include screenshots bc I don't have a wiki account yet so I'll just copy text). I'm sorry if you already know about it or if its a waste of time to you...the way I found it just seemed significant to me and maybe you know someone on here that this page might be of use to?

TEXT FROM THE ARTICLE:

Universal Automatic Computer Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Universal Automatic Computer in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings. You cannot create this article. You may need to log in or create an account and be autoconfirmed to start this page. Alternatively, you can use the Article Wizard, or add a request for it. Search for "Universal Automatic Computer" in existing articles. Look for pages within Wikipedia that link to this title.

LINK TO THE ARTICLE: [link as a link to a wiki page that "does not exist"]UNIVAC link to an external web page that does exist?

COPY OF WHAT I PUT ON THE TALK PAGE FOR THE ARTICLE: this is written as a narrative style post. idk how to code and i dont have a wiki account. I just look up the etymology of words for fun and fell down a rabbit hole that feels fun to play around in. open source AI huh. well lets open up that pandoras box lol. the word lemma is related to quechua 'llama' is related to the hebrew word for 'WHY' and I believe the quechua page for wik'una (also the name for a llama like animal?? I think???) links to the word vicuna (with a tilde over the n, my laptop just doesn't currently support accent marks) the page for the word vicuna lists an anagram for vicuna: UNIVAC. The UNIVAC page says that UNIVAC stands for: UNIVersal Automatic Computer

clicking UNIVAC took me to a "non-existent" (it exists and works as a link its just kinda blank. in my humble opinion it would be fun to have the UNIVAC page include a link to create a wikipedia account and how to understand wikipedia editing/posting guidelines for newbies)

My signature/sign off is below and includes my personal political opinions. I would really like to believe that there is a moral arc to the universe and that it has the option to move towards therapuetic empathetic justice. Sorry if thats messy to talk about so blatantly. Dakota(friend)64.6.120.100 (talk) 08:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Responded at IP's user talk page but if any talk page stalker/wikifriend has any suggestions then please feel free to respond either here or there. --ARoseWolf 13:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey up Fella

Hello there!

Thanks for your wee note. I've actually edited wiki on and off for decades. I mostly do warships and naval stuff as I was in the RN for a wee while.

I only got interested in this article because nationalists have banged on about the act a wee bit while I was on overseas.

My understanding is that opinions are identified as such and not present as if they are unbiased facts. The article is well out of date and could do with pulling bits and bobs from this recent report https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/uk-internal-market.pdf

These two editors seem to want to block any change claiming its that all other editors are sockpuppets, so they can revert any and all changes.

Fair winds and following seas

S'up Fella (upercase!). I know two editors that use Rose in their usernames, both of whom are female. But it can be masculine, why not? El_C 12:51, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Heh, any any — I other sucks! El_C 12:58, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

@El C: Rose most definitely could be masculine. Maybe you should change your name to El_Rosa. Hey, I like the sound of that one. Did you just say I smell sweet? lol(blushing) --ARoseWolf 13:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't know if it's possible to answer that without a personhood cancelation due to harassment in the lulz place. Smell you later! El_Rosa 13:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

El_Rosa, Rose looks good on you. You definitely wear it better than me. Well, we wouldn't want you to have to cancel your personhood. It's kinda important to keep that. Come by and chat anytime, El_C. You can email me too if you like. It's great for building community cooperation and collaboration. :) --ARoseWolf 14:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, that rose already exists: [2]! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

I love intuition. Thanks for digging that up, Tryp. That is a very beautiful rose. El Cid's "Rosa" --ARoseWolf 20:18, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Ooh, that's a nice one. 🌹 I honestly don't know which countless mis-C'ing was greater, Che or Cid. And since for some reason now I care to tell everybody that it's actually Comandante, it might be worth pointing out that the number of people who guessed that one correctly amounts to exactly... zero. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ El_C 20:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Well, at least I didn't call you Elsie! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:19, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

@El C and Tryptofish:: El_C went from a rose to a cow? Tryp, you SPA you, always trying to get into trouble. You learned nothing from the 'phobia case did you? Should I start pleading for your release before the next AN/I thread? lol I actually always thought Elsie was cute. --ARoseWolf 12:04, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I think most people probably assumed "Capitano". It's okay though, you'll always be "El Rosa" to me. --ARoseWolf 12:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Wait, am I Sea Captain now? El_C 12:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

El_C: We have a lake and a boat, it's a row boat, bring your own oars...Captain. --ARoseWolf 12:27, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

You offered fair criticism on both myself and the other party involved. While I disagree with your assessment, I appreciate that your views are consistent. Buffs (talk) 20:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Buffs, its okay to not agree. I try to be consistent because so many are not. It's always like a swinging pendulum going from one extreme to the other. Life can be stressful enough without all of that. I am not delusional enough to think we will always agree and it would be a pretty boring place if we did anyway but we can remain calm when dealing with each other and we can show each other kindness. State your views. You are entitled to them and they are valid because they are real to you. We can stay civil in the process. What can not continue is the disruption. We have to be able to collaborate freely or this encyclopedia will never even come close to reaching max effectiveness. --ARoseWolf 12:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I believe dialogue is key and generally do not ban anyone from my talkpage, but I've been harassed for almost 15 years on Wikipedia (continuing as recently as yesterday and literally involving up to accusations of murder) and condescension & taunting takes their toll. I appreciate your feedback and will do my best to incorporate it. Buffs (talk) 16:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Buffs, I am genuinely sorrowful that you have experienced that and have felt this way over the years. No one should have to endure that type of behavior. I often heard my Grandmother talk about how her mother would tell her about their escape from Germany during WW2. She would always tell my grandmother who passed it down to us that it should be strange to us that human beings would actively incriminate, hunt down, force imprisonment and eventually exterminate another group of humans just because of where they were born and what their heritage is, both out of their control, but the reason it is not so strange is because we encounter it all the time as hateful and disparaging words, making cruel accusations and throwing around mean-spirited vitriol in the name of free-speech or social justice, both of which might offer instant gratification but ultimately are designed for a single purpose, destruction of the human race. I am not against free-speech or social justices but I am against their use to destroy another human being regardless of that human beings belief and regardless of whether their beliefs are the same as mine or not. Wikipedia is a privately operated system which means it can limit or expand its services and content as much as it wants. Anyone using its services has to follow its guidelines and rules. The public square is not privately owned or operated and what I see from every side in the public square genuinely frightens me to my core. There is no longer any room for public discussion and civil debate without trying to destroy every aspect of the opposing person. --ARoseWolf 17:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Re: "There is no longer any room for public discussion and civil debate without trying to destroy every aspect of the opposing person". I agree completely. Too many people aren't even interested in winning any more, just tearing down opponents. Buffs (talk) 18:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Question from Csy06001 (18:58, 17 September 2021)

Hi There! How can I know when I'm a confirmed / auto-confirmed user to start my own pages? It's great being part of this community! --Csy06001 (talk) 18:58, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

@Csy06001: First and foremost, let me welcome you to Wikipedia. I am so glad you are here and excited to see how you contribute to our amazing community and this wonderful project. I left a little welcome message with some helpful tips and links on your talk page. To answer your question directly, you can follow this link (WP:AUTOCONFIRM) and it will explain the autoconfirmation process in detail. You can also check out some of the other user access levels while there. I so encourage you to soak up as much knowledge as you can before jumping off into editing. This is an exciting time in your journey of being an editor here because you have the chance to learn and grow. If I can can help you with anything please ask and you can also check out the teahouse too. Again, I am so excited for you and I really hope you enjoy being a part of this community. Remember to be BOLD and please don't get discouraged. --ARoseWolf 19:33, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Winter is coming!

SusunW, supplies have been requested and now it's just a wait and see. We are about two weeks behind where we normally would be. Today's high is around 30f/-1c so we won't see temperatures back above freezing until next summer. Our first single digit lows will be this weekend with the temp reaching 6f/-14c. I still don't have all my energy back but it feels good to be home. I'm sure they appreciate having me back. lol I'm already fussing about everything they have forgotten to do. --ARoseWolf 14:36, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

So glad that you are safely home. Right now it is 30C and today's high is predicted to be 34C/93F. It is likely we will remain above freezing for many years. LOL This is not a discouragement, but it will take time to get your energy back. It's fine, part of the process. I am glad that you will be able to experience the coming spring's rebirth, but I cannot be happy about having you go through winter. I shall just focus on your recovery and hope that you are warm. ;) SusunW (talk) 14:48, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, winter will be good for me though. Life just kind of slows down. I'm sure I will be spending most of it inside, in the warmth. Our little backpacking excursion was postponed indefinitely because the consensus was that I didn't need to go that distance away from the homestead just yet. Normally I would be stubborn and force my way but I yielded to them. I'm pretty rebellious when it comes to my personal independence, always have been (more scandalous stories). But I have given up a lot of things, including relationships, to form these bonds with my daughter and make sure I am here to see her grow up into an amazing woman. A little personal independence for a little while is such a small thing when it comes to taking care of myself to make sure I am here for her. I am going backpacking as soon as I can though. Ever the rebellious streak! --ARoseWolf 15:05, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Totally get all of that. My unconventional life to others is just my normal (scandalous stories indeed). LOL Unfortunately, my recovery has coincided with Covid, so yes, I get giving up personal independence for a while. In my brain, I have set three years, as my tolerance level...We'll see how that goes. I long to mingle with the hustling crowd in the city and go on a walk-about to some new place where I've never been and work in some visits with friends flung far across the globe. SusunW (talk) 15:40, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

SusunW, just let me know when you are coming and I'll have Jack meet you at the lake with the dog sled. haha! I'll have a nice comfy place in the loft set up for you and the mister ;-) --ARoseWolf 15:53, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Wheels turning, Pops has always wanted to go to Japan and me to Russia, but the cold...arg. We literally had to buy shoes in Poland because it was 10C/50F in July and we only own sandals. Alaska->Japan->Russia just might be doable, if I can wrap my head around the cold. Maybe 2023? Googling, July is the warmest month in all of those places but temps averaging below 24C/75F still seem awfully cold. Gives me time to shop for appropriate attire, which I will need as I loathe shopping. LOL SusunW (talk) 16:19, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

SusunW: If you come in July you should miss the last of winter here. You'll have to land on the gravel strip across the lake or on the lake itself if by float plane. You can fly from Fairbanks to Bettles. If you had to, a layover at the lodge there is cool. The owners are amazing. We are pretty much on a first name basis with everyone including the pilots. The communities up here aren't that large as you would probably guess. I think there are maybe 50 to 60 people in a 100 miles radius of us (excluding Anaktuvuk to our northwest). Most are either located near Bettles/Evansville, Coldfoot or Wiseman with more scattered in around and in between. We rarely see temps in that 75f to 80f window and that's at the hottest point during Summer. --ARoseWolf 16:38, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to barge in here but, I'm fairly sure it's a sterotype that Russia is always cold as it's really only the Siberian part of Russia that's cold. Lower parts of Russia probably aren't as cold (but I know nothing about Russia because I've never been outside of the US). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 15:59, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Surreal Barnstar
	You always are nice to people and I've noticed that things rarely seem to anger you. You're always very optimistic and see good in anything. Glad to have you as a friend. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#0001 15:57, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Blaze. It's very nice of you to award me this barnstar and the note you wrote was especially sweet. I hope it's an endearing part of my legacy. Warriors can be be peacemakers. Don't get me wrong, things do anger me sometimes (just ask my brothers). And I do have a bite though its rarely very used. But really I just figure why get mad most of the time? If something angers me to the point I feel I have to lash out then it's time to grab my backpack and walk up into the mountains for a couple of hours. Maybe walk down to the lake and chill on the banks watching eagles play. Nothing on Wikipedia is in my direct control. Everything is done by consensus. Why stress over that. My response to frustration is the only thing in my complete control. I just try be kind and if I get frustrated I go tan some hides, literally. lol --ARoseWolf 16:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I really love that kind of thinking in people. It really provides a great influence for others who may happen to come across you. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 16:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

If I can influence one to step back and take a different view of a particular situation then my time here is a success. It is all about collaborating and working together to effectively build an encyclopedia like no other seen before us in time. --ARoseWolf 16:31, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Whenever I click the button to take me to the section it always takes me to the first barnstar on your page lol I totally agree! Unfortunately not everyone believes that and they don't always act kindly towards others. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 16:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, It does that for me too when I go to other talk pages. Must be something in the code. I honestly believe most people just don't think about being kind. It is a choice you have to make in every situation. It doesn't come natural right away and everyone still makes mistakes. We all have breaking points. I know I can be critical of situations I feel are over the top but I honestly understand the position of both sides of things. My chastising words can seem hard at times and I do apologize to anyone that has been offended by them but I am genuine and passionate about civility, kindness, compassion and empathy being the ruling factor in most every situation, even when punitive actions must be taken. There is always a civil way to approach every discussion. We sometimes miss the mark and it's easy to do. That's why I believe civility, of which kindness, compassion and empathy are a part, is the least enforced and least observed policy here. But that is indicative of society at large as well. True tolerance is not only the allowance of differing viewpoints but the very protection of differing viewpoints. Wikipedia doesn't have to be tolerant outside the scope of what is found in policy. This is not a public institution. However, a tolerant society has to not only allow a differing view to flourish but should actively protect that differing view. I would give my life to protect even those who disagree with me because every view matters and every Song is precious. We are all children of the Earth. --ARoseWolf 13:31, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

We don't get notified when we are being implicated as a sockpuppet anymore? Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lacutengoduva I happen to forget I had it added to my watchlist because of the possibility it would come up. That's the only reason I knew. --ARoseWolf 19:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

It appears that EnPassant made an error because of how similar your old username and Lacutengoduva's username look. I'm fairly sure the different character was the g in Tsistunagiska as the g seemed oddly smaller than the rest of the characters. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 19:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunaɡiska compared to Tsistunagiska. Very obvious on your user talk page because of the different font. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 19:29, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Interesting point {u|Blaze The Wolf}}. I never noticed the difference in the g even during the investigation. I have no doubt it was done in good faith. Never would question EnPassant's intent. I appreciate them protecting the integrity of the encyclopedia. --ARoseWolf 19:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Yep. I decided to take a look and see how they got your old username because I had a feeling it was a slightly different character in the username. IT's almost impossible to notice the difference in the g outside of headers because of how similar it looks. I do wonder what character ɡ is though. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 19:37, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I figured it out. THe mysterious character is 2 characters which are É¡ (the characters somehow break the reply tool I use). Don't know how it displays as g but that's how it appears. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 19:40, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Interesting. Thanks for trying to help, Blaze. It will all work out. :) I didn't want to make too much of a big deal of it. I do think I should have been notified two hours ago when it was filed. --ARoseWolf 19:42, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

No problem! I had a feeling it was simple confusion as I can't possibly see how you would be a sock of someone who's been blocked when you're so nice. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 19:43, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Some people can fool you but I'm not one of those. Yep, I'm nice. Ha! :D I debated commenting on the original investigation but after talking with @Spiderone decided not to. It would have just further added to the mess that that user created. For the life of me I can't understand why people want to be disruptive like that. Oh well, back to life and editing. Thanks again. --ARoseWolf

Again, no problem! It actually had confused me until I noticed the g looked off in a header. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 19:49, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

It really bothered me for weeks that someone completely unrelated would use my mothers name which I used as my former user name. Why that name? Its like they specifically targeted the Change User page and chose mine out of all the others. That angst went away when they were blocked indefinitely. The angst briefly returned when I looked at my watchlist and saw this. --ARoseWolf 19:53, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Hopefully it'll be resolved soon. I kinda wish EnPassant would've made sure they got the right user first. I might actually add your username and the blocked user's username to WP:Editors who may be confused with the statement of "Both user's former usernames look nearly identical, with the g being the only difference" so this doesn't happen again. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 20:02, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Not a bad idea but we can also quickly point them to this investigation once its cleared up. --ARoseWolf 20:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Good point. Anyways, just ping me if for some reason admins don't see the difference. I'll make sure to block show them the difference. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 20:06, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

It appears that I was actually wrong in my initial identification of the fake g. The correct unicode is U+0261 LATIN SMALL LETTER SCRIPT G which appears as ɡ. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 21:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for editing your comments and getting it right, Blaze. It may not have been mandatory but I still say the courteous thing to have done would have been to notify me. I will make it a point if I ever do file an investigation to make sure and notify the other person as a gesture of good faith on my part. --ARoseWolf

No problem! You can thank ev on Discord for letting me know about my error! In a situation like this I want to be as accurate as possible. (also the characters are so similar, the only difference besides the unicode number is the word script in their name) ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 21:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Need to talk to someone

Hey! I really just need someone to talk to right now. I just dealt with a really annoying troll and now I'm very tired and don't really wanna do anything else right now. I'm really just kinda.. i dunno, annoyed? I don't really know what the right term would be. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 01:06, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Blaze, sorry to hear about that annoyance! Want to talk about video games? Firefangledfeathers (talk) 01:35, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers: I would assume you're a talk page stalker. Talking about video games would be preferred in my Discord DMs. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 01:42, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

I prefer WikiJaguar, but yes. See you at discord. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 01:44, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Alright. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 01:46, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry I missed this, Blaze. I usually spend my mornings on Wikipedia but once it "warms" (Susun will find my use of that word to be funny) up a little I go out to do some work and play. I hope you found someone to talk to. I used to have Discord years ago but I had to let that go. I have some very fond memories of some amazing Songs I met on Discord that I still very much love and hope are doing the very best. There isn't a moment that goes by in which I don't think about everyone I have met along the way including all of you here. --ARoseWolf 11:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. That made me feel really good reading that. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 13:29, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

ALthough there is something that I would really like your opinion on. I know we're not really supposed to use Wikipedia as social media but I really want your response on this. About a week ago in my biology class we watched the movie I Am Legend, and we never finished it but there's this one scene in the movie that is just burned into my memory, and it's not really something I want to continue remembering. I'd rather not go into too much detail because as I said, I really don't want to remember it. What I'm wanting your opinion on is how would I be able to forget something like that? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 15:24, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, you can always email me. That's been my modus operandi for communication with others outside where I have lived for years and years. --ARoseWolf 15:31, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

I have no clue what modus operandi means I would prefer not to do that as my email uses my real name which I'd prefer to stay private for the time being. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 15:35, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, I understand perfectly. Modus operandi just means that's my method for doing things. I rarely forget things once I have seen or experience them but I have been known to block some experiences out of my mind, especially from my early childhood. Contrary to popular belief it is not always bad to have uncomfortable feelings about certain subjects. Sometimes it pulls us out of our comfort zone and can be used to focus our thoughts and skills on our goals. My standard for getting rid of bad thoughts is to find something that makes me happy to think about or engage in. --ARoseWolf 15:44, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi, Blaze. I'm a talk page watcher here, and "modus operundi" means "typical way of doing things". (It's what the term "M.O." originates from, and it comes from Latin.) More importantly, it's quite normal to have times of feeling "down" about Wikipedia – I've had a lot of that myself. And for whatever it may be worth, I've been noticing recently what a kindly and helpful presence you have been on Wikipedia, so please know that this was noticed and is very much appreciated. --Tryptofish (talk) 15:48, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

@Tryptofish: Thanks Trypto. Right now my issue isn't necessarily with Wikipedia itself but just something that happened off-wiki. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 17:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Invitation

I'm inviting anyone that watches my talk page to look at User:ARoseWolf/Wild River (Alaska) and offer ideas, suggestions or really anything. You can even do your own research and make edits if you like. I have a lot of sources found in mineral studies and explorations done by government and private entities prior to my coming here. I know the river and surrounding area well having been on it for going on four years now but none of that is coming into play because its OR. I have only added what I can source and know to be true. Feel free to play around with it if you wish. I enjoy writing about the area I am in, the challenge of finding sources for it and the ability to collaborate with amazing people like yourselves. --ARoseWolf 18:22, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Is this a draft your making? If so I find it kinda cool that you live in Alaska. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 18:27, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

It is a draft, I'm just doing it in my sandbox first. --ARoseWolf 18:30, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Cool! I started a talk page so we can discuss stuff related to it there. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 18:34, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

I lived in Haines, Alaska for about 17 years before my brothers and I used inheritance funds we got from my parents estate to purchase land up here. We have been expanding boundaries ever since. Shockingly to some, the land wasn't as wild when we moved here as it is even now. There was fencing we removed to allow the caribou herds to pass through. We've expanded to more than ten cabins (the remains of many more) and two houses, a smoke house, tanning barn, cold storage, two green houses, three air strips and a float plane dock, among many other auxiliary buildings to hold equipment. It's spread over 15 square miles of rugged mountains, deep forests, wide valleys and open plains. --ARoseWolf 18:42, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Dang. It sounds like you've basically started your own small town. Maybe you should create an article on your own town you've made ^[Humor]. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 18:43, 22 September 2021 (UTC) ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 18:43, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Sometimes it feels like we are running a town. Nothing about it is notable enough to include here yet. I plan to publish some books one day so maybe it will become notable enough. --ARoseWolf 18:48, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Maybe. Anyways take a look at the talk page of your draft. I put something there I'd like confirmation on. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#0001} 18:49, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Started a draft

Hey! So I decided that I would start a draft on Splatoon 3 (currently at Draft:Splatoon 3). Obviously it's very much a WIP as currently it's just things related to Splatoon 3 that are in Splatoon#Splatoon 3 and a list of references. However I am actually going to expand it once I get home! I was wondering if you could provide some help. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, you know I will help any way I can. I am very much not the one to go to about video games (the last one I ever played was some game my youngest brother picked up back in the 90's). lol Firefangledfeathers might want to help too and I've run across a few others that enjoy discussing video games. I'll look into the draft and see what I can find that may be of use to you. --ARoseWolf 14:52, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Alright thank you! I know ferret is great at video game stuff (they've helped out with video game related things) however I doubt they'll assist me in my draft. Thanks for being willing to help though! ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:55, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Diplomacy!

		The Barnstar of Diplomacy
		A small sign of my appreciation of how well you handled the situation at Iván_Zarco, and this ought to be co-awarded to @Ymblanter: too; you both dealt with that with a civility and professionalism that is exemplary for ANI

Elemimele It's okay, my talk page didn't turn out the way I wanted. If I could keep it open ended where I didn't have to move that crazy closing parenthesis down it would be great. I'm just not that tech savvy. Thank you so much for the recognition. You are so sweet and I am very appreciative of your ideas at ANI which spurred the effort to help clear up the dispute. It takes us as a community working to improve the encyclopedia. Thank you for editing the article, Ymblanter --ARoseWolf 19:10, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

@ARoseWolf: There might be a way to do that. I could probably ask Levi_OP if he knows anything about how to do that as he's very knowledgeable in wikimarkup (which is what this uses i'm fairly sure). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:12, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: I would be most grateful. --ARoseWolf 19:34, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for your support Marathi.Wiki.Editor (talk) 03:31, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Connie Redbird Pinkerman-Uri

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Wyss Foundation request

Hello ARoseWolf! Just checking in to see if you’ve had an opportunity to finish reviewing the edit request I posted on the Wyss Foundation Talk page yet. You had mentioned at WikiProject Protected areas that you were trying to get a second set of eyes. Any help would be much appreciated, as you’re the only editor who has responded to me. Thank you! ZH for Wyss Foundation (talk) 21:34, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

October 2021 at Women in Red

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Brilliant quote

I love the quote you added to your talk page. I kinda wish I was as insightful as that. I found a quote someone made on Teahouse and threw it into a user subpage to remember, and then I forgot what that user subpage is. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:25, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, I added a diff to the actual discussion in order to attribute the statement to its author. Very grateful for the words shared and I very much desire to emulate this in every conversation. --ARoseWolf 17:29, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, User:Blaze The Wolf/Wise Words <---This? --ARoseWolf 17:31, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh it appears you found it for me. Yes that's it. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:32, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I saw the diff you added. Let me see if I Can find that user subpage with that brilliant quote I found on Teahouse. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:32, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Question from Ruthmarvinwebster on File:June Marlowe CM544.jpg (23:26, 29 September 2021)

The photo used for June Marlowe is not correct for the silent screen actress born Gisela Goetten. There was an actress in the 30s who used the same name and this photo is of her. --Ruthmarvinwebster (talk) 23:26, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@Ruthmarvingwebster: (talk page stalker) Hello Ruth! If the image is not correct, is there one that is correct that you can find? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:02, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ruthmarvingwebster, and welcome to Wikipedia. I'll look into this immediately and see if I can find where there may be an error. If you can find a proper image that is not copyrighted then it can be uploaded to Commons and used in place of this image but it must meet the requirements (See WP:IMAGE). --ARoseWolf 15:24, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Question from Robert Edwomu Aka HE Robmarly (15:10, 30 September 2021)

how do i edit my history --Robert Edwomu Aka HE Robmarly (talk) 15:10, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello Robert Edwomu Aka HE Robmarly, and welcome to Wikipedia. I'm not sure if I know what you are asking but if you could clarify I could possibly direct you to a specific location that could. If you are wanting to edit your user page you can find instructions here (WP:UP). If you are trying to edit an article then you can find useful links that I have left on your user talk page. If you are talking about your edit history or page history you can view this link that details what that is (WP:PAGEHIST). Please clarify further if I can assist you. --ARoseWolf 15:24, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

To elaborate further on what RoseWolf said, if you're trying to remove something from your contributions that's not something that can be done unless it qualifies for a rev deletion. If there's a page on you (if your name is supposed to represent a real person and if so please contact the WMF to confirm you are indeed who your username says you are) then you have a Conflict of Interest and are advised to not edit the page related to you directly. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:57, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for proving my point on civility.

Useless? You decide for yourselves.[3] --ARoseWolf 17:14, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Another editor undid that edit [4] (i don't know how to properly link to difs) saying it's poor form which I agree. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:50, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

I thought to be gentle and call it useless instead of hypocritical and thus enlightening, but whatever suits you... If you really believe that you are well-placed to lecture others on civility, then you are sorely misguided. I don't pretend to be the shining beacon of civility and humanity, but at least with me people know that they can expect some honesty, no matter what side they're on. Next time you feel the need to start preaching about civility again, don't. Fram (talk) 17:49, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

You may choose to cherry pick my words to fit your narrative of a particular situation if you so desire. I have invited anyone who wishes to inspect the discussion and come to their own conclusion to do so. I will continue to discuss civility as often as I wish and in the manner that I deem correct based on WP:CIV. Thank you. --ARoseWolf 17:57, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand the entirety of the situation however, depending on where the subject of the convo was at that point, Rose's comment may or may not have been appropriate. HOwever I don't really think adding a hat to parts of the convo was really the right thing to do. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:11, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf’s comment was not appropriate, helpful to anyone, or useful in any way, while hatting was appropriate and in face long overdue when it happened. —JBL (talk) 00:26, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

JayBeeEll, thank you for your opinion. It is an opinion after all. Others can make up their own mind whether civility is an important issue on the encyclopedia or a noble cause to discuss. I believe the both of you made your choice quite evident during the uncivil episode at AN/I. --ARoseWolf 08:06, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I fully agree that "civility is an important issue on the encyclopedia or a noble cause to discuss". That doesn't mean that either where and when you choose to discuss it was well chosen, or that the way you do it is productive (or even very believable). It is perfectly possible to believe that civility is important, and disagree with your approach at the same time. E.g. telling someone that their use of "petty" seems condescending[5] brings two or three words to mind, and bizarrely "petty" and "condescending" are among them. A self appointed civility police going around with unwanted advice over extremely minor points really isn't the thing ANI (or enwiki in general) needs. Fram (talk) 08:44, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

A thousand times this -- civility is important, but your contributions were inane and could not possibly have contributed to a general increase in civility. Meanwhile they directly detracted from an important discussion about an extremely serious breach of acceptable conduct. And I can't help but agree with Fram that a person who writes It is an opinion after all has no business lecturing other people on condescension or pettiness. --JBL (talk) 10:33, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Page harder to use in mobile view

You are probably not aware of this, but due to the markup / layout of your user talk page, it is harder to use in mobile view. this is what people see when they access it, and this is what they get when to go directly to a section (e.g. from a contribution or history page). While everything then can be accessed via the "Read as Wiki page" link, it is less user-friendly: and when seen on a normal (small) mobile screen, the text width is not adapted, meaning that one has to scroll sideways to read every line. Fram (talk) 08:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@Fram: I don't really see what the issue is. It might be different when the mobile version is viewed from a laptop. But I do think it would be a good idea to fix this. Do you have any suggestions? (I'm not RoseWolf, I just watch their talk page and answer questions when they're not on). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:26, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Can you try it from a smartphone? The issue (for me) is that I don't get the table of contents straight away, that when I click on a section link (e.g. in a page history) I don't go to the section but to the basic view (again without a table of contents and so on), and that when I then open the page via the "read as a Wikipage" link, all sections are wider than the screen size, forcing readers to scroll on every single line of text (this isn't standard behaviour, e.g. my user talk page, which has no extra layout, doesn't do this). The simplest suggestion is to remove all extra layouting from the page, but that's rather radical. Perhaps the people at WP:VPT will have more experience with the issue and possible solutions. Fram (talk) 13:35, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@Fram: I would except I don't have a smartphone to try it from. But I'll check out WP:VPT. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:41, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

HOWEVER! I know of a way to get it to look like it would on a smartphone on a computer, I just have to do inspect element stuff. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:42, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

The sideways scrolling doesn't seem that bad. The formatting seems to partially adapt to how it looks for me. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:57, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

I use a laptop and a tablet. Perhaps a disclaimer stating that mobile users might have some difficulty with the layout would work in the interim but I will endeavor to find a solution to make the page more user friendly for mobile application without removing all of the formatting, as suggested. --ARoseWolf 14:02, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. There probably are a lot of users in the same situation, most editors don't look at their own talk page on a smartphone, but many newbies and IPs might (don't get me started on editing in the mobile view from a smartphone, which is terrible in nearly all circumstances). Fram (talk) 14:24, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@ARoseWolf: Might wanna just say it's best viewed on PC. The browser doesn't really matter from my experience. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:45, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

It was suggested from the source of the format that it was best viewed using that particular browser. I don't use that browser but I thought it best to keep it closest to the original suggestion. If it helps, you don't have to ping me on my own talk page. I have issues with those formats all the time. Forget one little part of it and it doesnt work. Might save you some headache. :) --ARoseWolf 14:49, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Oop I Forgot I don't have to ping people on their talk page Alright that's fine. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:53, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@Fram:, has anything done made it easier to view? A couple of editors have offered suggestions and one has tried to help. I will continue working on it to improve it. --ARoseWolf 19:56, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

It was working in mobile (though not as pretty in desktop view) after my edit, but a subsequent edit that moved the table-ending code back to the bottom of the page has caused the mobile view to stop showing the TOC again. If that's the way you want it, it's OK with me; this is just FYI. To fix it for mobile and make it less pretty again, add a second table-closing code before the first talk section header. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:49, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher just swinging by) I wouldn't worry about it. There are a bunch of other discussion pages I can think of that are also styled with a table (some for nearly 15 years), and I haven't ever seen any complaints about those. If we're gonna pursue a solution, it would be more effective to address all of those pages at once. Enterprisey (talk!) 05:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

It's still the same for me, but if I'm the only one having a minor issue here, there is perhaps no need to change it. Wikipedia is (apart from reading articles I guess) very mobile-unfriendly in general, so tackling one user talk page on its own may not be the most efficient way to deal with this. I keep my pages as "clean" as possible (wrt markup) to avoid these issues, but there are many editors who don't bother, and they don't seem to get complaints about it either... Fram (talk) 07:47, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

On a personal level, Fram, I didn't view this as a complaint but a genuine request and I take that as such and will still work to try and find a solution. There may not be one out there but if I can find one and it is mobile-user friendly while maintaining some of the formatting then I will definitely incorporate it. --ARoseWolf 16:39, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Good, my post wasn't meant as a complaint: I meant that I hadn't seen "real" complaints, people who wanted to address you but had trouble because of the layout. Mine was intended (and received) as a friendly heads-up, so we're all good. Fram (talk) 07:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Ismailyousafzai on Union councils of Pakistan (20:43, 3 October 2021)

Postal code of this area? --Ismailyousafzai (talk) 20:43, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ismailyousafzai: Hello Ismail! I don't think RoseWolf would know what the postalcode of the Union councis of Pakistan is as they do not live there. I also don't know what the postal code would be as I also do not live there. You might have better luck asking on the talk page of the article. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 22:45, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Ismailyousafzai, it also depends on the province/area you are asking about. --ARoseWolf 13:21, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Gerda's October corner

October songs

Thank you for your defiance to unfairness! One pic of yesterday's concert is there now, everybody applauding everybody, and rightly so. - Imagine, when we (choir) finished the Gloria fugue in the dress rehearsal, tenor soloist Fabian Kelly spontaneously turned to us and applauded, - deserves an article ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, standing in beauty, adding color to the surrounding land, even if it must stand out and stand alone. The stand is worth it to bring attention and awareness to our humanity and the worth and dignity that comes with it but is so often disregarded. :) --ARoseWolf 17:28, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

I uploaded new pics (click on songs), including "our" concert (standing singing, after exactly two years without) and a cow sunset --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Today: #1700, and I uploaded more images, mostly blue and green, for hope. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Today, mostly black&white, and standing upright as Psalm 15 says --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

today: see yourself, read about a hymn praying to not be on earth in vain, about a comics artist whose characters have character (another collaboration of the "perennial gang", broken by one of us banned), and in memory of the last prima donna assoluta, Edita Gruberová. I had to go to two grave sites last week, one who died now, one who died 10 years ago, so standing upright and in black seems appropriate. More colours - but subdued - can be had on hikes, - updated. How are you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:20, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm okay, my friend, just getting the final things accomplished before Winter really sets in. I am planning to take some of the time when I break for Winter and focus on what I want to do here when I come back in the Spring. I am going to refocus my energy a little. It was a crazy year with me getting sick about halfway through it so I haven't been able to regain the consistency and focus I had late last year before the Winter break. I have never been a drain on anyone nor have I ever been anything but a net positive in every life I have come in contact with or anything I have been involved with even when we failed to accomplish every goal along the way. I'm not about to start that now. I will, I must, contribute to the encyclopedic purpose of the project while maintaining my stance and views on civility and building the community through goodwill, love and communication and I will continue to hold myself and others accountable to each foundational pillar equally. --ARoseWolf 14:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

All the best. Two more today, again one by the gang, and more colour! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Today: a scandal, and more fall colours, including a short sermon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Today: memories in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Significant day in many respects --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment on ANI

Hello ARoseWolf. I want to give you a brief commet on your recent ANI post - take it or leave it, just my quick reaction since you clearly gave this some thought. You have seen, I presume, that my name arose when an editor appeared at an unrelated complaint (unnecessary in my view) about a different editor to redirect attention to me. That kind of gratuitous redirection is almost always a red flag of a battleground grudge. In this case, for whatever reason, that editor has a history of suddenly appearing to, let's say, criticize me in various WP venues.
I believe I already addressed the accusations of canvassing, and that you acknowledged my response. Thanks. I just want to point out what may not be obvious: I have edited and followed the Assange page for a long time. If I had intended to canvass editors favorable to my position in the RfC, I could have named at least 10 who would be likely to agree with me on the BLP and NPOV and V concerns I raised on the article talk page. That would have been canvassing. I don't do that sort of thing. There are many good NPOV editors and Admins who have edited that page and then quit, many with expressions of disappointment at the futility of trying to collaborate on that page -- due to the factors I cited in my notifications. Those are self-declared biases of various editors, not my view of them. They are the reason we need more uninvolved eyes on the article. My pings of the two editors I saw take an interest in the sourcing issue may have been poor judgment, but it was not any sort of attempt to canvass in plain sight. I don't do that, just as I don't edit-war or launch personal attacks on article talk pages. I'm not that foolish and I'm experienced enough to know that such behavior is neither constructive nor productive.
That article and its talk page are among the most problematic and broken I've seen on WP. If you have any interest, you can see all kinds of apalling things on the talk page there. I'm not among the most frequent posters, but I seem to have annoyed some of the -- shall we say -- most "motivated" contributors there. I can't help that, but if you have any further interest, a look at the article and talk pages may provide a sense of the context of the attempt to pivot the ANI thread against me. Just 2 cents from me. Thanks for your participation. SPECIFICO talk 14:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

SPECIFICO, thank you for leaving a response here. I fully believe you did what you did in good faith. I think it may have lead to the appearance of subtle canvassing with some of the word choice and the selective pinging, as I have stated, but done so in good faith. I'm not a very political person and I don't usually take the favoring side in a lot of discussions simply because I can see things from multiple perspectives and can speak to what I see only. I'm not the most educated or intelligent person but I know enough to be dangerous and I do rely on instincts and empathic feelings and I also study people more than most think. Sometimes the way I word things makes it hard to understand my actual position but that's just because English is not my original language. I did want to bring out the point that I believed what you did was in good faith even if I felt a little misguided or in poor taste, not judgment. It just struck me wrong, especially the second part of the sentence and that's why I suggested striking it as a sort of compromise. I really have an issue getting through uncivil discussions and at some point I just turn off. I have more important things to do than sit here reading how one person thinks another person "smells like elderberries and eats their broccoli without cheese (tongue in cheek)". I wouldn't actually repeat some of the things I've read but that gives the clear indication how I feel about its relevance to the overall collaborative effort. --ARoseWolf 14:59, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Low self confidence

Hey Rose! So I"ve been having some issues with my confidence lately. I've started to become unsure of myself and I Feel like I'm screwing something up whenever I make an edit. I just feel like in every edit I make, I'm doing something wrong. I used to be pretty good with anti-vandal work however ever since I screwed up in undoing an edit where an IP rightfully removed info on an oversightable article (not going into specifics because the article is oversightable) I'm questioning my anti-vandal work. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:50, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf: There is nothing wrong with pausing for introspection. It's very healthy and necessary, just don't stay inside too long. Everyone has their confidence shaken at some point. It's perfectly natural and you shouldn't be too worried. You did something bold and messed up. We all do. The point is you admit it and make the corrections so you don't make the same mistake. Rest assured, there will be others. That's the only guarantee. Don't be so hard on yourself though. Your contributions are welcomed and appreciated. Keep howling at that moon, Wolf. :) --ARoseWolf 17:58, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

On a side note: When in doubt, edit an article on a river, glacier or mountain. its really fun and constructive and fairly easy to find info on. ;) --ARoseWolf 18:00, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

The reason I'm so worried is because I'm afraid if I continue messing up I'll be blocked because of it. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:01, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Blaze, you can't get bogged down with worry over that. It's like getting mad at the sled stuck in the muddy snow and ice without realizing its you that is bogging it down. Get off your own case and don't prosecute yourself so harshly. I have never seen any indication that any admin here is unreasonable nor do they block on a whim. There is usually a long train of disruptive behavior and nothing you did, from what I can tell, is disruptive. Just learn and move on. It's part of being bold. <3<3 --ARoseWolf 18:07, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Blaze The Wolf: I can only echo Asareel's sage words above, and add that you're nowhere near a block ~TNT (she/her • talk) 18:11, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I might as well quit anti-vandalism at this point. See Liz's message on my talk page. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:05, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from TheOrchardpromo on Sud Radio (19:48, 18 October 2021)

Hello from The US, I would love to send you music from our artist please!

C Barry Martin @ (Redacted) --TheOrchardpromo (talk) 19:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Just a little note to let you know I've removed a phone number from the above - I'm almost certain you don't want that out on the internet! ~TheresNoTime ^{(to chat)} 08:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Arnodenhond (13:03, 22 October 2021)

Hi there! I see you are my mentor? I need advice from a person who is not a follower of the Bible, please. I have compared the article about the Bible to those about Scientology and Deepak Chopra and I noticed that the article about the bible lacks any significant criticism. According to atheist scholar Richard Dawkins there is plenty in the Bible to criticize, so I tried adding it to the article but a Bible follower keeps reverting my contributions calling them openly hostile. If you are not a follower of the Bible, could you please advise me on how to make the article about the Bible as neutral as the articles about Scientology and Deepak Chopra? Thank you. --Arnodenhond (talk) 13:03, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Arnodenhond: May I suggest that a good way to express your concerns would be on Talk:Bible or on the talk pages of more specific articles related to the ideas you want to introduce. This will give others an opportunity to comment on your suggestions. If this is not successful, try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion.--Ipigott (talk) 13:29, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

I've been expressing my concerns on the talk page of article in question but so far without success so I might try the WikiProject you suggested. Thank you. Arnodenhond (talk) 22:56, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Arnodenhond, I am not a follower of the Bible, per se. I believe we can find legitimate teachings in most religious texts but there is also a lot of not so good stuff in there too. I was raised on the Torah, though, as my Father's family are German-Jews. One question I have and I want to preface this by saying it is not a criticism of you but what does being a follower or not have to do with the inclusion of criticism in a Wikipedia article on the Bible? I would hope that even Christians would welcome criticism. I know my parents and grandparents welcomed our own criticisms of Judaism and allowed us each to decide our own path. I chose a more traditional path rooted in my American Indian heritage but also includes other religious practices from around the world. Back on point, I read the conversation on the article talk page and I don't see a dismissal of your position or views. To the contrary, I see a healthy debate and discussion taking place. Ultimately, Wikipedia relies on reputable, reliable and verifiable sources and what they say about a subject. If you have criticisms and those criticisms are found in reliable sources then propose what you feel needs to be added and allow the community to decide if they agree or not. What you want to avoid is a n edit war because that will lead to enforcement actions to protect the encyclopedia. That would be a very big shame because I think you have a lot to offer the encyclopedia with your viewpoints and experiences. --ARoseWolf 18:00, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Jmr012 (00:44, 24 October 2021)

Hello, I have a question. I have a Wikipedia account under another username that goes back to 2006. That's 15 years of history. Last fall, I had to use my wireless provider for Internet service and apparently Wikipedia had declared the IP of my wireless service provider's Internet to be corrupt. I was no longer able to edit with my long held username. So last December, I opened account with my current username after I had Internet service from a source that was not blacklisted by Wikipedia. This was all done in good faith as I had no control of my wireless company's Internet service. I know I cannot merge my old account with my current account, but I don't want to lose the 15 years credit that I have from my old account. Do you have any advice? --Jmr012 (talk) 00:44, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Jmr012: This looks rather strange to me. You should be able to log in through any network service provider as long as you can remember your password. If not, I suggest an immediate way of not losing your history would be to remind people of your earlier account on your new user page. You may find additional help at Help:Reset password and Help:Logging in.--Ipigott (talk) 13:22, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

That' an excellent idea! I will place a reminder on my Jmr012 user page. Thank you! Jmr012 (talk) 17:05, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

One year!

... with pleasure, and a little sermon on my talk, about friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:28, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Hope everything's OK, ARoseWolf. Apart from telling us you've been smoking fish, you've not been too active recently.--Ipigott (talk) 13:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm okay, Ian. Thank you for asking about me. Just in a bustle to get the last few things ready for Winter in the middle of snow flurries. Smoked fish is delicious, btw. I should be more active this week as the number of things left to do dwindles. I'm trying to add info boxes to as many geological formation articles as possible (mountains, rivers, lakes and glaciers). There are well over 10,000 articles that actually could use or need an info box in that category so its something that I can work on slowly as I figure out the next direction to move in here. I appreciate you answering the questions above. Very thoughtful responses. I apologize to those leaving questions here and will endeavor to answer them as quickly after they come in as possible. I have amazing people watching my talk page and their insight is so valuable. --ARoseWolf 13:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	For you going the extra mile to give soothing words and advice to Kate Miller , here is a barnstar. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:01, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Ritchie333, every now and again I do something right and I never seek acknowledgement of it but I am thankful when it comes my way. I appreciate you very much. Most every interaction I have had with you throughtout my time here surrounds the need for a little empathy and understanding and you always seem to step up to the plate. I admire that in you. --ARoseWolf 15:17, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

It's just part of who I am. I always look out for people who create content and look out for those who do or who want to see better articles. I especially look out for those who are not the stereotypical early to mid 20s computer nerd (worked example) who can bring a different flavour of life to the table. I don't like people who prioritise "teh rulez" over articles, but I don't snap at them as much as I once did, so I guess I'm getting better. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I agree with you that those are good traits, and while I myself do try and prioritize the rules over a good article, always remember: ignore all rules. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:13, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

I believe there is a happy medium if people are willing to seek it out. We can prioritize the rules and maintain good articles while also ignoring the rules where it is appropriate to do so but IAR should only be utilized sparingly. It should not become a rule in itself else that throws us into a weird paradox in which you must ignore the rule on ignoring the rules. I swear that is how society will eventually break (lol). I'm good with my caribou and ptarmigan. --ARoseWolf 13:37, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, the correct meaning of IAR is to ignore rules when those rules get in the way of making articles good. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:43, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes I know. That's kinda what I was meaning. We shouldn't over-prioritize the rules. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:54, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for asking but uh.. what's ptarmigan? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:56, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

LOL, no need to say sorry. Ptarmigan --ARoseWolf 18:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm actually going to ask you something related to changing a table to be different since I'm unsure what would be appropriate in the situation. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:24, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Changing table

Hey Rose! So I'm asking you first as I don't actually know where I could ask this. I'm wanting to change the table for the country DLC on Euro Truck Simulator 2 to match the style of the one on American Truck Simulator however I"m not sure if removing the description of each DLC would be appropriate in this situation. My guess would be yes because it simply just describes when it was announced, what countries it included, and then when it released and any updates to the DLC. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:28, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

I would approach that by asking myself a couple of questions. One, are the changes I want to make going to enhance or improve the article from where it is right now? Two, are the changes major enough that it may be a better decision to offer them to the community or seek community consensus? Three, what benefit does making the changes offer a potential reader or researcher looking at the altered article versus what there is now? If you can answer those questions satisfactorily then I see no issue with making the alterations. Be prepared to make your case if it is reverted. --ARoseWolf 19:47, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

1. Yes (will state why in 3) 2. I have no clue but I"m gonna be bold and assume it isn't and do it. 3. Currently (on my screen size) the table is rather big and would probably be best if shrunk down (I also think the DLC section should be condensed but that's something for me to discuss as the answer to 2 for that would be yes). I simply wasn't sure if there was some policy on it that would guide me in what to do. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

You can try MOS:TABLES and see if there is anything in there that may give you some insight. Beyond that I am not sure of any specific policy that would preclude you from altering or making changes to a table within an article. --ARoseWolf 20:17, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

I attempted to do it however I couldn't figure out how to change it without breaking something. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Bible

Thank you for your prior mentorship regarding this subject! I don’t wish to drag you into the discussion, but if you are interested, I believe some additional guidance might be in order. In my view, the discussion has strayed into a mud-slinging contest on, among other things, what constitutes hate speech. And the editor in question (I’d put their name here to ping them but cannot recall it, and am on mobile, sorry - feel free to edit it in) still seems to think we are trying to silence the atheist and/or agnostic viewpoint when we have tried to make clear the opposite is true.

Rather, our concerns are on (1) the appropriateness of a lengthy quote (or any quote) in an overlong lead; (2) the appropriateness of a quote from someone not in the field of Biblical scholarship; (3) the appropriateness of adding material to the lead that is not covered in the rest of the article; (4) whether the quote in question actually represents the general atheist or agnostic consensus (when lacking RSs to that end); (5) when a particularly caustic quote from someone not shy about publicizing their hatred for a group constitutes “hate speech” rather than an RS; (6) probably others I am forgetting.

We have suggested alternatives that we think would conform to WP standards and well-express the viewpoint in question, including possible RSS, since the nonreligious viewpoint is indeed underrepresented in the article, but further constructive discussion seems doubtful at this point. That is why I am stepping back and inviting opinions/feedback from established, interested editors. Thank you. Jtrevor99 (talk) 19:05, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Jtrevor99, I responded to this and the other ping on the article talk page. I don't know how helpful it was but hopefully it will remind us of our purpose here and bring everyone back to the table once they have cooled off for a little while. You all are working hard to improve the article and that should be commended. The fact that you all are willing to listen to differing opinions and contemplate how best to include properly sourced criticisms means it is going in the right direction, even if detours are taken on occasion. Stick with it, don't give up, and maintain the understanding that we are all human and there is no opinion that matters to us more than our own. --ARoseWolf 19:18, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Still the civility police, I see?

At User talk:Jimbo Wales#Maybe you and / or your page watchers can help?, you decide to lecture User:Mztourist on tact and civility, and at the same time accuse them of following another editor around. In reality, one editor started forumshopping, another editor hopped on the bandwagon to get support at an AfD that didn't go their way, and the nominator of the AfD replied. Mztourist addressed the contents, to which User:Dream Focus replied with "Kindly read the rest of the discussion. " which isn't about the contents but implicates that Mztourist made an uninformed reply. And then you decide to lecture Mztourist? In what universe is that a helpful post that would actually increase civility, instead of an inflammatory passive-agressive taking of sides and once again ignoring the actual problem. "knowing when to offer constructive comments and when it's best to just let it go. ": practice what you preach. Fram (talk) 09:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

There was no forum shopping. An equal number of people said Keep as Delete in the AFD in question. It will most likely end in no consensus. Anyway, Jimbo Wales was discussing "African American history and subjects" with someone, and I pointed out the racist media of the time wouldn't give them the same coverage as others, and that's where the conversation was going. Masem showed up and gave some good feedback on the issue. This was before Mztourist showed up to reply to something I said about the example I gave of the current AFD, missing the point I was making about the issue we were discussing. [6] So me asking him to "Kindly read the rest of the discussion." is not an insult. Please assume good faith. Dream Focus 09:48, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The forum shopping was by the OP, you are the "another editor hopped on the bandwagon". And obviously it's rather ironic that on the one had, you simply assmue that someone hasn't read the rest of the discussion, but point out AGF anyway. But my concern is not with what was said at the discussion (by you, Mztourist, ...), but with our resident civility controller. Fram (talk) 09:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Fram, as always you are entitled to your opinion. I choose to disregard any further comment you make concerning my actions here so if you want to continue to comment then you do so without a response from me. If you feel I have done something against Wikipedia policy then, by all means, take me before the proper actionable venue, otherwise, your comments aren't any more helpful than you view mine. Have a good rest of your day. :) --ARoseWolf 13:04, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I have interacted with Mztourist before and my view is they are a bit of a grump, which is not a sanctionable offence (I have previously blocked them, but it wasn't for being grumpy). That said, he shouldn't give the impression of following Dream Focus around, and for the record, neither should the reverse happen. Just because Dream Focus asserts a view that Mztourist disagrees with (or vice versa), it does not imply that the rest of the community implicitly agrees with it. Finally, ARoseWolf is a kind, caring and considerate person, and you would realise that after having spent time looking at some of her background on her user page. Please do not refer to her as "the civility police". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:08, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

User:Ritchie333 why do you feel the need to come and make this borderline personal attack on me? Let's clarify, you blocked me for edit warring even though I was trying to follow procedure, which I thought was totally unreasonable. You're an admin, try showing some impartiality. Mztourist (talk) 05:11, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

If she stops acting as the civility police (or, failing that, as the one-sided civility police), I'll stop referring to her like that. I don't judge people by the "background on her user page", I don't treat people differently because their background indicates or gives the impression of being "kind, caring and considerate" or not: I look at their actual actions here, and too often their kind and caring civility posts are nothing of the kind, they only serve to add noise to discussions, targeting one side while ignoring the other one, and that over extremely minor issues. I don't know if they are very poorly executed good intentions, or attempts to rile up one side shrouded in "look at how good I am" posts, but the posts weren't helpful in any of the occasions I posted about them. Fram (talk) 13:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

My very last comment on this thread: My comments on civility are microcosms within a discussion. I do not follow people around to other discussions to see the complete picture of what they are saying. The only reason I know Mztourist followed DF to Jimbo's page is because I have followed the AN/I discussion concerning them and I have noted and even commented on lesson's learned recently. I also follow and periodically comment on Jimbo's talk page.

I will not abandon my belief that civility is deeper than just words. I also told you that, while I may take your words to heart, it will not change or alter my motivation which has been formed over decades of living life and experiencing life through my own eyes and seeing the affect we can have on each other. What I write is not always to the benefit of the person I am speaking to directly. It is not noise and it is not meant to stir up anything other than a genuine desire to bring attention to the way we deal with each other here and in life.

I don't have to pick a side to want DF to be able to comment without having their comment always followed up with a "here's why I think you are wrong", whether you or Mztourist thinks it is ill developed or not. You tend to make a lot of assumptions about others and refuse to take to heart truly what they are saying and instead impart your own interpretations but the reality is that not everyone thinks like you. Mmmm, where have I heard that before? Thus we have a conflict of interests as human beings. You fail at the very same things you keep throwing at me as remedies for my own failures of which I have many. You can choose to disregard my comments, and that's okay, maybe they aren't for you. Maybe, just maybe, they are for someone else.

If choosing kindness is a crime then I am guilty. If choosing to bring attention to civility is wrong then count me in that number. Ever thought that not everyone has a motivation that is devious in nature? It is easy in a sea of discussions to find those I have missed and maybe DF has been uncivil to Mztourist in other discussions, but I didn't go looking for it. It popped up on my watchlist. And if the roles were reversed in that discussion, I would have done and said the same exact thing. You missed the mark on this one, Fram, because the person you learn about by reading my talk page and user page is the same human being writing these words right now. Deeply principled and rooted in life lessons that are very old despite my age because they continue to be bigger than you or me. As I stated, I hope you have a great rest of your day and continued happiness. --ARoseWolf 14:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Let's see, you have perfectly valid reasons to comment there, but if MzTourist comments there he is following DF around? It is not possible that they e.g. followed the exact same path, and also has JW's talk page watchlisted (I know I do, that's how I saw this). And their great incivility in that discussion is ... well, not clear really, they should have used more tact apparently, somehow, in some undescribed way; but DF stating that they should read the entire discussion is perfectly tactful? Anyway, I see that you have gone a lot further now, with the accusation "you shouldn't be following DF around and commenting everywhere they post. This is the tact I am speaking about. It's borderline hounding in my opinion." I sure hope you have the necessary diffs to show that Mztourist is actually doing what you are stating here, and not just at one discussion on JW's talk page where DF raised the issue of an AfD which Mztourist started in the first place (remember the "talking behind people's back issue"?). Because what you did there are serious WP:NPA violations without the necessary evidence to back it up. Fram (talk) 14:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You know what, let me help you. From the last few weeks, apart from interacting at the ANI discussion and at JW talk page, we have:

• Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2021 October 22#George L. Knox II, started by Mztourist and later edited by DF
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herbert V. Clark, started by Mztourist (article never edited by DF previously), commented later by DF
• Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron – Rescue list, DF first, Mztourist later (this seems to be one of the things that started the ANI thread or prominently figured in it)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of most successful U-boat commanders Mztourist first, DF later
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ted Kendall (3rd nomination), DF first, Mztourist later
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Listing of unit awards on individual's bios: Mztourist first, DF later

And that's it, as far as I see. So please tell me, how will you substantiate your personal attack, accusing Mztourist of "commenting everywhere they post" and "borderline hounding"? Fram (talk) 15:13, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

• Different situation in those examples. If its tagged for help on the Rescue list, I check it out. If its on the Wikiproject list for lists on Wikipedia, I of course see it. The Herbert V. Clark AFD I went to 9 days after he started it, Lightburst adding that name to the Template:Tuskegee Airmen so probably how I noticed it, don't really remember. Anyway, passing by chance, and following to argue, are two different things. I don't really care, just wanted to clarify your examples so people didn't see that and think I was following him. Dream Focus 15:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Didn't want to imply that either, your paths cross from time to time, and I don't see your edits as anywhere near borderline hounding or commenting everywhere they post either. Fram (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

November 2021

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on User talk:Jimbo Wales. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. You apparently have no intention to address the personal attack here (see discussion above). If you make such accusations, you need to back them up with solid evidence, or retract them. Fram (talk) 16:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure ARoseWolf has disengaged from you, Fram. If you really want to resolve this, may I suggest ANI? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:12, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, dear admin, so it's fine to disregard personal attacks if the editor making them has "disengaged"? May I suggest that if this is all you can offer, instead of trying in editors you are so gushing about, that you perhaps find something else to do? It isn't the first time that you have tried to direct me away from actually addressing problematic behaviour by editors (e.g. the recent LouisAlain discussion and elsewhere) instead of actually dealing with the problems. As you should be well aware, going straight to ANI is frowned upon, editors usually need to have a history of attempts at discussion and clear warnings before ANI will intervene. Fram (talk) 17:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't think anyone else has said this is a personal attack. ARoseWolf is now taking a lengthy wiki break for the winter, taking it early to avoid this, so can you please stay away from this talk page or you might be blocked for harassment. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:34, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Fram, Ritchie333, could you guys both cool it? You’ve been at it for hours now. Ritichie you taught me self control, you know better than to do this. Fram come on, its enough. This is morphing into bickering, come on, you guys are better than this. Celestina007 (talk) 22:45, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I regard Ritchie333 describing me above as "a bit of a grump" as a borderline personal attack. Mztourist (talk) 05:15, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Question from The Silencer Sloth on User talk:The Silencer Sloth (17:49, 7 November 2021)

How do I make a new article? --The Silencer Sloth (talk) 17:49, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

@The Silencer Sloth: I'd recommend not making a new article before gaining more experience. See WP:YFA for details on how to make an article if you do want to make one anyways though. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:06, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Language diversity conversation on Maryana's listening tour

Osiyo! My name is Daniel and I’m the director of Wikitongues, which helps people get started with mother-tongue documentation and revitalization. We also maintain a User Group and have managed to get a slot on Maryana’s listening tour for a roundtable chat about language diversity. I would be honored if someone from Cherokee Wikipedia could join us -- either you or someone else whom you recommend. If you’re free this Wednesday 11/10 @ 10 am ET, I can add you to the calendar invite. (and I apologize for the short notice!)

Thank you, Bogreudell (talk) 19:00, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@Bogreudell: Hello Bog! RoseWolf is currently on winter break and so unfortunately they won't be able to attend. I don't know of anyone else from Cherokee Wiki that she would recommend. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:04, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Blaze The Wolf: for your fast response! I hope RoseWolf has a nice winter break. Are you aware of a forum where Cherokee Wikipedia contributors gather? Perhaps I could post an open invitation there. Bogreudell (talk) 19:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@Bogreudell: No problem! I'm basically assisting other editors in managing her talk page while she's on break so that she doesn't have a huge backlog of stuff when she comes back. Unfortunately I don't know of any sort of forum like that. I don't really edit outside of English Wikipedia. You might be able to ask at the Teahouse or similar if anyone knows of such a place. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:41, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

• Hi there, Bogreudell. If you are interested in the Cherokee language, you might try Neddy1234 who is fluent in Cherokee still edits from time to time.--Ipigott (talk) 20:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Osiyo @Ipigott:, I appreciate the recommendation! I'll give them a ping. — Bogreudell (talk) 15:51, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Question from Elaine McKenna (13:21, 9 November 2021)

How do I respond to the misrepresentation of the other Elaine McKenna? --Elaine McKenna (talk) 13:21, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

@Elaine McKenna: Hello Elaine! Judging by your username, it is highly you do not edit the article directly due to it appearing that you have a Conflict of Interest. If you believe there's information on that article that's incorrect, leave an edit request on the talk page. See WP:EDITREQ for instructions on how to do this. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:48, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Re: Samsonite Man at Alicia (album)

Hi. I pinged you a while back when @Samsonite Man: was being bullish about his challenged edits at Alicia (album) - there was a related ANI thread about him too, where you said you'd comment... Anyway, it's happening again. They are drudging up the same old challenged changes, not respecting BRD, etc. I've replied to their reasonings at the talk page --> Talk:Alicia_(album)#Samsonite_Man_continued_... <-- the fourth thread concerning an edit war/BRD situation between them at that talk page... Can you please intervene? I may have opened two ANI threads about this... Piotr Jr. (talk) 18:04, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

@Piotr Jr.: Hello Piotr! RoseWolf is currently on winter break so unfortunately they are not able to intervene and I also do not wish to get involved. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:11, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

@Piotr Jr. and Samsonite Man: I love how it pings me when I have the generator running and the computer on. I'm just doing stuff around the house. Don't really have anything to do outside today. As Blaze points out I am, technically, on Winter Break and may be on sporadically but will be off most days. I'd rather not get involved in behavior disputes or go to AN/I to discuss anything. I find the majority of the discussions there to be drama which hurts the legitimate behavior issues that may be the actual subject of those discussions. However, not all discussions are that way and it serves a legitimate purpose. If you find the issues to be behavioral over content then I would suggest you seek help there. If it is more a content dispute then I would suggest you look at Dispute Resolution. I agree that I think you both do need some help resolving this as it seems to be escalating. Please, for the sake of the encyclopedia, I ask you both to remain civil and seek assistance with the dispute. I know I have been referred to as many things and some may feel I harp on civility a lot but I genuinely believe in it as a foundational principle. I am not perfect and I do make mistakes but it doesn't change the principle even when I fail at it. I hope you both find a way to resolve this. I will say that I do not believe BRD is negotiable outside of the set exceptions. That's just my observation based on my reading of it. I would not try to circumvent it or go anywhere near edit warring, even if the other party is not following BRD requirements. --ARoseWolf 18:35, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh hello Rose. How's your break so far? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:39, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

All right, thank you. I've made a request at DR. Hope you're all well... Piotr Jr. (talk) 18:51, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, It's going (lol). I'm doing some redirects for a list seeing as my time here is limited. I am well, Piotr Jr.. Thank you for asking. Hopefully they can assist you both. --ARoseWolf 18:56, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

That's good to hear. I was honestly surprised when I saw that you replied considering you're on winter break. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:58, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, I may get on a few days here and there at first but there is usually a hard cutoff point. Last year I think it was in January but it became increasingly more difficult as the winter progressed. That's how it goes. --ARoseWolf 13:28, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Makes sense. ANyways I hope you continue to do well! ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

You as well. :-) --ARoseWolf 14:26, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Questions from MCBOiS1210

What is encyclopedic tone --MCBOiS1210 (talk) 16:39, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

@MCBOiS1210: Hello MCBOi! WP:5P2 may help you here. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:42, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

can you help me find some mistakes that i can fix on the minecraft modding page? --MCBOiS1210 (talk) 20:05, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

@MCBOiS1210: What mistakes are you looking for? Rose is unable to help you as she is currently on a winter break, however I should be able to assist you in her absence. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:12, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

I am just looking for simple and easy copyedit that i could easily fix

also how can i join the department of fun or any other wiki project --MCBOiS1210 (talk) 20:14, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

@MCBOiS1210: Ah ok. Also please dont create another section to reply, simply just add a colon to your comment to indent it (2 since you'll be replying to me). How you join a WikiProject depends on the WikiProject. For the Department of Fun it appears all you have to do is add the member userbox to your userpage (userboxes are here). Before making a copyedit to an article I suggest you take a look at WP:CE first. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:23, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

can you help me find a page with a lot of misspelled words that i can fix --MCBOiS1210 (talk) 20:59, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

@MCBOiS1210: Have you taken a look at WP:CE? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

MCBOiS1210, check out this link where you can find instructions on how to enable the Homepage which will show you articles that have been tagged for copyedits and such. --ARoseWolf 21:22, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Blaze, for helping wile I am away. I just had a few minutes and logged on this afternoon. Was way too busy this morning. --ARoseWolf 21:24, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

i just stopped a vandalism yay --MCBOiS1210 (talk) 21:27, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

User has been blocked for WP:NOTHERE. Also no problem Rose. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:43, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

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November light

November songs

Letting some November light shine in your winter break, I can offer some reading, - three feast days in a row, reformation followed by All Saints' and All Souls. On All Saints, we sang in choir in a mass - a 2021 first - and rehearsed (with the other group) for the next such thing next Sunday. All Souls is the birthday of the subject of my first article who will play a major concert on 14 November. Today we "celebrate" the first DYK for which LouisAlain laid the base in a German sandbox, - needlessly complicated but working. Enjoy your break! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

... and that was also the last. - Follow the songs, find a rose. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Today, 3 DYK, Brahms depicted + sadly Aga Mikolaj (listen!) + a great concert my friend played today (but I wasn't there, too far away). May the roads that we travel make us meet again! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Today we received the annual arbcom message, which made me think. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Gerda. I saw where you left this for me so I came back on to check it out. I haven't been involved in the arbcom discussion much. I try to avoid even RfA discussions. I'm not keen on supporting authorities such as arbcom though I try to follow the rules as best I can and I support the personal qualities of individuals. Basically, I like people, whether they agree with me or not. Not that I have any issue whatsoever with any editor that is running but I view things a little differently than most anyway. Color me eccentric. I do recognize your passion and I support the passionate side of you. You are my friend and I support my friend. I miss RexxS through you though I have never talked with him. I miss Sarah through her work though I never spoke with her. I guess what I am saying is that, I disagree with a lot of the processes here whether I agree with the results or not. I think how we arrived at the conclusion is as important or more important than whether we came to the right conclusion or not (journey vs results). Lois is a good person. So are a lot of people. Lois made mistakes. So did a lot of people. Lois was banned. It hurts to lose someone, I get that, but the conclusion probably was right. I disagree with some of the particulars of the process to arrive to that conclusion and it sucks that so many are no longer here to offer their part of this Song. I would be willing to discuss those particulars with anyone at any time. In regards to arbcom, I find most arbiters would rather keep everything the same when it comes down to it (an innate human nature) and the majority, even if they want to make changes, realize they are not able to affect as much change as they may hope because they are but one of many voices. That's why I don't put much stock in questions asked of potential candidates. I don't see a single terrible person running but neither do I much believe anything they say is set in stone and I don't think, in the end, it matters much who is on the committee. --ARoseWolf 18:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanksgiving music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:55, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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Happy (late) Thanksgiving!

Hello! Rose! I'm a day late on this but I just thought I'd wish you a Happy Thanksgiving. Hope you are still doing well up in Alaska as the weather here in Nebraska starts to get colder (although given the nature of the weather here it could be 70*F tomorrow, who knows!). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 04:19, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

I've noticed that you've been on yesterday and today, which is more than usual during your break. I would assume you're able to get on right now? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, It goes in cycles but it's been windy and cold and this keeps both me and my daughter occupied since we cant do anything outside at the moment. The temps are up to -10 from -23 overnight. Tonight and tomorrow night will be the coldest at -29. --ARoseWolf 14:20, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Makes sense. Also I can only imagine what those temps are like. We barely ever get temps below 0. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:46, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, I won't say you get used to it but you learn to live in, around and through it. Just keep on moving forward. --ARoseWolf 14:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

By the way, how was your thanksgiving? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, We don't really celebrate holidays, not in a traditional sense. When I was younger we celebrated more Jewish holidays, I guess, but no Thanksgiving or Christmas here. Instead we live a life of thanks to the Earth, Creatures and Spirits upon it which continue to provide us with Life, the Sky Father/Creator Spirit and the Ancestors. Never really celebrated many birthdays either. It never stops me from wishing well for others though and I hope you had a wonder holiday, Blaze. --ARoseWolf 19:09, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Ah interesting. I always enjoy hearing how other people's lives differ from my own. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, It is very good to learn from others. We should never stop learning but it takes humility and a willingness to accept possibilities beyond our current understanding. I loved my world travels as a young woman. It opened me up to so much in the way of understanding the different cultures and ideas, many of which influenced my own philosophies. --ARoseWolf 19:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Question from InternetScavenger89 (16:30, 29 November 2021)

How do you make userboxes? --InternetScavenger89 (talk) 16:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@InternetScavenger89: Hello InternetScavenger! WP:UBXCREATE might help answer your question. Depending on what the userbox is about you can probably simply copy the code of an existing one and modify it to fit your purpose. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:44, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Question from InternetScavenger89 (20:36, 29 November 2021)

how old on wikipedia do i have to be to use twinkle --InternetScavenger89 (talk) 20:36, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@InternetScavenger89: WP:TWINKLE would be a good read. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:37, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: How do i install the userscript? I feel like just giving you a cookie every time you help lol. Also, how do i get a signature like that?

@InternetScavenger89: (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Actually there's a way to do it automatically, all you have to do is go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and under the Browsing section there will be something that says "Twinkle" with a box next to it. All you have to do is click on that box and you will activate Twinkle, however with you being a new user I suggest gaining a bit more experience before using Twinkle. Also I had another user make my signature for me. I can't remember who that user is at the moment though. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: How do i know how old i am on wikipedia? --InternetScavenger89

@InternetScavenger89: With this link. Also, I suggest checking out the Teahouse. There, more experienced users will be able to answer your questions easier than I can. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: Thank you so much! Is there a barnstar for a helping hand? Thank you :D --InternetScavenger89

@InternetScavenger89: No problem! Also, just so you know, the 89 in your signature links to this page instead of your own user talk page (which is located at User talk:InternetScavenger89) ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: I fixed it! I also gave you a barnstar --InternetScavenger89

@InternetScavenger89: Again, no problem! I'm simply just doing my job as a volunteer on Wikipedia, and that includes helping answer questions on ARoseWolf's talk page while she's on her winter break. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:19, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze the Wolf: I just noticed the considerable amount of time you spent on this page. I praise your efforts. --InternetScavenger89

Question from InternetScavenger89 (22:11, 29 November 2021)

how do i know when to give a barnstar (so sorry for bugging you again) --InternetScavenger89 (talk) 22:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

InternetScavenger89, I am so pleased to meet you and very thankful for the watchers looking over my talk page. I apologize for my absence though one can not control the seasons and breaks are necessary. I was able to get on wiki for a while and wanted to address your latest question. If you haven't already I would encourage you to look at WP:BARN which lays out reasons one may give out a barnstar and offers some types of barnstars that may be awarded. As far as how you will know when to give someone a barnstar, that's really a good question. Some barnstars are for specific actions so those may be easier to discern a proper time for award but others are much more subjective and dependent upon the awarding editors opinion or feeling at the time. If you feel someone has earned one of the more subjective barnstars I say be bold and award it. If nothing else it will further the spirit of comradery and community which Wikipedia aspires to be. Be a little more careful with the barnstars awarded for specific actions and issue those only when you can confirm that the milestone has been accomplished. --ARoseWolf 15:56, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for answering this Rose. I appear to have missed this question (most likely because this was the time when I was at my house, relaxing and off Wikipedia). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Question from InternetScavenger89 (22:05, 30 November 2021)

What is the difference between twinkle and rollback ----InternetScavenger89 22:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@InternetScavenger89: They're very similar in their function, however rollback is a permission that you must request, Twinkle is a tool that may have rollback-like functions, but does not require the permission. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 22:26, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Question from InternetScavenger89 (00:34, 1 December 2021)

How do i join the CVUA ----InternetScavenger89 00:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@InternetScavenger89: Are you talking about as a trainee or a mentor? If you're wanting to join as a mentor I highly recommend you don't. However if you're wanting someone to train you in anti-vandalism efforts then simply ask one of the people with slots available. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

HOwever I recommend you listen to what Drmies said and focus on stuff not relating to anti-vandalism. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: Just as a precaution, when i edit, can you possibly read the edit to check things like validity of sources, and if not, tell me how to fix it? I do not want to get banned. --InternetScavenger89 03:29, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@InternetScavenger89: No. That is not my job to do. You are in charge of making sure your own edits are constructive. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:07, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: I joined the guild of copyeditors, thought it would be a good idea. --InternetScavenger89 15:48, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Question from InternetScavenger89 (03:54, 2 December 2021)

Do you know why is my archive bot not working? ----InternetScavenger89 03:54, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@InternetScavenger89: Cluebot III doesn't run every day so it might be a bit before it works. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:09, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

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― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

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Checking in

Hello ARoseWolf. How have you been? I hope that you are feeling better now. It is getting fairly cold where I am (I miss my long sunshine hours), and I am sure it must be freezing where you are. Stay safe and stay warm — it's good to see you editing around! — The Most Comfortable Chair 20:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

The Most Comfortable Chair: Hello, just call me Asareel, I've been good. Hope you are well too. I am feeling much better. My hair has started growing back so that's a positive. Just taking it one day at a time. It is definitely Winter, -21 right now (lol). You stay safe too and we'll see each other around. Write anytime you feel like it or if you want help with something you are working on. I'd love to collaborate on something come Spring. --ARoseWolf 13:17, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thank you for connection so many articles to the List of Alaska Native tribal entities! Yuchitown (talk) 21:00, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Yuchitown: Thank you so much. It was fun to do and I hope to really hit it hard creating articles on the tribal entities soon so we can replace some of those redirects and red links. --ARoseWolf 13:20, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Question from Katrina Ping (21:27, 2 December 2021)

Hello! I have been asked to create a page for a startup organization. Reading through the guidelines it looks like the page will be automatically published once it is 4 days old and has at least 10 edits. Is that correct? --Katrina Ping (talk) 21:27, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

It is not automatic, Katrina Ping, but you do have the ability to create it yourself. That being said, I would caution you not to do this yourself until you are familiar with our policies and procedures, especially about writing with a potential conflict of interest. It would be helpful to submit it through our articles for creation process, where you get some peer review, and if it's not suitable for a full article, you'll be told why with actionable feedback. Feel free to contact me on my talkpage if you have questions. (Rose is on winter break and may not reply quickly to questions.) Urve (talk) 21:52, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Katrina Ping: It appears you got it confused with the "autoconfirmed" user permission, which simply allows you to edit articles that are semiprotected. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:51, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Random thing I found

I remember how you've told me how cold it can get where you live. While scrolling through Youtube, I found this video, it's a city in the Siberian region of Russia called Yakutsk, and the lowest temperature it's gotten down to is -96*F. WHere you live would probably seem warm compared to that. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:50, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf: The lowest temperature we have recorded here is -42°f but its gotten colder here before. I think the lowest recorded recent temp closest to where we are located is -65° but about 50 miles, give or take, south of here the record is -80° so it may have been colder here but no one was here to measure it. Factoring wind chill is something totally different. --ARoseWolf 20:02, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

@ARoseWolf: Interesting. It's amazing how people are actually able to live there with how cold it is. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:04, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

I have the very mild scarring from frostbite to prove it isn't easy and it takes a person staying aware constantly. I have been adopted by wolves in one instance and chased by them (albeit a different pack) in another. I have encountered bears who reacted with hostility and also been allowed to sit by a creek and watch them dive for salmon just feet away. In my opinion moose are more dangerous and territorial but nothing drains the blood or drops your stomach faster than the sound of a hungry and determined lone wolf. I respect the Spirit of each animal I have encountered. --ARoseWolf 20:12, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Expansive interpretation of ban

So I just had someone tell me that I cannot comment on my talk page about categorization of a person because of the ban. The issue is that the categorization that I was saying was over cat for the person in question was Category:20th-century African American people and Category:20th-century African American women for the person who first was elected to public office in 2003, and there is no even vaguely disernable action prior to that that could in any way confer notability. The person in question is not identified by their article as ever having held a religious leadership position of any kind. So I am really struggling with how this person can ever be counted as coming under "religious leader broadly defined", and the categories in question do not touch religion. I did remove it because it did not want any problems, but it still seems to me an overly broad interpretation of the ban.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:33, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)Hi Johnpacklambert, my (unasked for) opinion is that an edit like the one you were considering to Mia Love would have been fine. I don't think her membership in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a sufficient reason for an unrelated category-changing edit to be prohibited. Trying to think ahead here, and please don't think I'm saying that you are doing this: I would caution against a pattern of editing that shows your are focusing your efforts on biographies of people associated with a specific religion.

I am less clear about your talk page post. Taken in the most critical light, it could have been read as "This may be prohibited for me so I am asking others to do it." I read it more as "I would like to know if this kind of edit is allowed or not"; if so, it might be wise to post it at an admin's talk page and frame it clearly as a request for clarification. If you asked Cullen238 about it, I think they might be able to tell you more about what their though process was here.

Incidentally, I think the Mia Love edit idea is a good one, I'm content to take responsibility for it, and I went ahead and implemented it. Firefangledfeathers 21:32, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Well there is also the issue about limiting my edits going back through Category:1916 births etc, so most of the time anything I come across outside the scope of that project I just post to my talk page. For the record I created the article on Mia Love, and so it is one of a lot of articles I have watch listed. That is why I saw the edit adding the category at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:37, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Firefangledfeathers. Incidentally, I did inquire Jim's reasoning here for my own benefit more than anything else. There may be something we are missing so it seemed prudent. --ARoseWolf 21:40, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

As far as I know, your talk page practice is a good one. If you suspect that you might be brushing up against the TBAN area, my suggestions would be:

• leave it alone (safest)
• post at your talk without mentioning the TBAN or religion at all (riskier)
• ask an admin (sparingly)

Firefangledfeathers 21:46, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Mia Love was a highly visible part of the worldwide I'm a Mormon advertising campaign, not just a low profile church member. That is what led to my concern. I have no problem removing her from the 20th century categories since she is clearly a 21st century figure. Cullen328 (talk) 22:28, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Question from Naimar.1234 (21:42, 4 December 2021)

hi how do i make a new page? --Naimar.1234 (talk) 21:42, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

@Naimar.1234: See WP:YFA. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:35, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

InternetScavenger89‎

Only just now saw this reply. Don't be sorry. You did the best you could given the circumstances, so I hope you don't worry too much about it. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 21:25, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, MJL. I appreciate the response. I think most of us here do try our best. Getting sick this year really messed up my trajectory. I honestly think I was sick before but didn't know what I was dealing with and the doctors missed a diagnosis anyway. Neither here nor there. I look forward to more main space editing in the Spring. I really hope to collaborate with some of the editors I admire and respect so deeply here. Being a mentor, a host at the Teahouse and commenting in user spaces like talk pages and discussions is great but we are here to improve the encyclopedia through editing and article creation. For now I'm doing what I can and learning more about the intricacies of better editing while making small edits and absorbing as much knowledge as I can through reading. It took years for some of the most respected editors to get where they are today. I don't expect to get there overnight. --ARoseWolf 21:36, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Question from Buidern (03:37, 11 December 2021)

i have made a mistake in my username and email address. is it possible to correct this? --Buidern (talk) 03:37, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello Buidern and welcome to Wikipedia. In order to change your user name you may want to read over WP:RENAME. It gives you instructions and points you to consider and links to follow should you decide you need to change your user name. In regards to your email you can go to Preferences (top right of desktop view)>User profile (scroll down to Email Options)>click on the button labeled "Change or remove Email Address". From there just follow the instructions to change your email address. I hope this helps and again, welcome to Wikipedia.--ARoseWolf 14:59, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Winter Break

I see that you're going on a winter break. Given that you live in Alaska which I both do and don't want to visit eventually I'd assume your winters are much harsher than the ones here in Nebraska. I just hope that you continue to stay safe during the Alaskan winter and not die due to inhale Frostbite, car crash, slipping on ice, getting snowed in, getting run off the road, sliding off the road, getting run over by a snow plow (if there are snow plows in Alaska), getting trapped under ice, carbon monoxide poisoning (shouldn't be a problem as long as you're smart), and getting impaled by an icicle. Yes I did think of the many ways you can die in winter. Are they likely? Nope. Jokes aside, I do hope that you stay safe and don't do anything too stupid during your break. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:26, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Don't forget møøse bites. clpo13_(talk) 19:28, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh ya I forgot meese (i'm using that as the plural for moose because I like it and it's engraved into my brain even though it's incorrect) are in Alaska and that they're dangerous. The equivalent to meese in Nebraska and probably a good majority of the continental US would be deer. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:30, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, Let me see if I can narrow those down. I have actually had mild frostbite the first year we lived up here. I had to take my daughter to Bettle's by dog sled because planes couldn't land. She had a serious infection that would have killed her. All things considered, frostbite didn't matter to me. I don't own a car so that's out. Could slip on ice, I have fun and not so fun stories. Getting snowed in a favorite pastime here. No roads. Don't have a snow plow. To get trapped under ice you have to fall into the icy water which I plan to avoid except at crossings which are locations that could be dangerous but are generally safer as they are more travelled on the trails. Icicles could be my nemesis though. lol Thank you for the well wishes. --ARoseWolf 19:41, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

No problem! I actually didn't know dog sleds were still used as a form of transportation in Alaska. I thought they were simply used in sports now. I learned something new (also that kinda reminds me of the story of Balto which was a dog sled race to transport medicine to a city in Alaska). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:43, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Clpo13, I may just steal that and incorporate a community by that name here. Don't be surprised if there is an article at AfD soon titled Moose Bites, Alaska. HogFarm would appreciate not, I'm sure. Good folks here. I appreciate all of you. --ARoseWolf 19:46, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, when I said snow plow I actually meant more along the lines of a dump truck with a plow on the front for clearing snow (see Winter service vehicle). They're pretty common here in Nebraska, especially during winter. I can only imagine how much I would suffer in an Alaskan winter (especially considering I ride my bike home from school so I would probably have to walk home because I would get stuck in snow) ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:52, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, we have three teams of Alaskan huskies and one team of Malamutes. My lead dog is Jack Jr. He's six years old and might be headed for retirement in another year. Then he will really get to experience the high life of being my object of affection only. lol --ARoseWolf 19:50, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

That's really cute! (random fact about huskies: They're actually really skinny, most of their mass comes from all their fluff. I know this because I own a dog that's part Siberian husky part black lab and she has the frame of a husky but everything else is a lab). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Unsolicited "We have huskies too!" Since we live in northern Illinois it's unlikely they are going to pull any sleds, but I'm sure they'd like to talk about it. Hope you're feeling better. You wolf-folks stick together and stay warm. Kindness is an increasingly rare virtue and I appreciate yours. BusterD (talk) 19:23, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

BusterD, they are fun and energetic. Ours are well trained though as our trainer is a longtime family friend, former certified Alaskan bush guide and a former competitor in the Iditarod. Some of the current team I sled with actually saved both mine and the family friend/trainers life a few years ago when our sled was blown off the trail into a snow bank and the harness snapped. I hit my head pretty hard then and suffered from migraines for about a year afterwards due to the concussion I sustained. Our family friend broke two ribs in the incident. It could have been worse. The dogs returned to us after about 15 minutes (seemed like an eternity) of hiding in the overturned sled in complete white-out blizzard conditions. I was never more happy to see Little Jack's head pop in through the snow bank like "You guys coming or what?" (lol). I don't remember much from the incident (good thing it was written down) but I remember that clear as day. These dogs are not just a possession or a tool to us. They are part of our team, our family. They get the best food, the best lodging, the best care that the bush can offer and when they retire, they get to hang out around the homestead and live out the rest of their days just being a canine. --ARoseWolf 20:07, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

That kinda makes sense that you don't remember the even considering you got a concussion. But that's honestly really cute. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:22, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

December songs

December songs

Today: sharing symphonic music - happy listening! - I asked the arb cands if they'd listen, which is an art. - Listen to what de:Jerome Kohl wrote about Zeitmaße, premiered by Pierre Boulez. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, Thank you! --ARoseWolf 16:28, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

vacation greetings from Munich, rich in culture, culinary events and meeting dear people --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:27, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

today, an Italian opera, my second ever, as the TFA written by two dear people, and a park where I went with dear people, as pictured DYK --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:45, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, one of my favorites, I think because the setting was Florence (where my Mama's family is from) but mostly because of the idea of poetic justice spun in a comical sort of way was quite appealing. --ARoseWolf 18:02, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

thank you! - on Beethoven's birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

I completely forgot Beethoven was German honestly. Probably I strongly hate classical piano music which he composed a lot of. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:21, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Gerda, I listened to Beethoven this morning in celebration. --ARoseWolf 16:22, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

How about Monteverdi today, or Handel, or Rossini? ... so many memories to share --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:23, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

If you like Advent music, check this out. If you like Christmas music and wishes, watch my user talk until 27 December ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

... such as today, merry merry --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

updated even richer --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:11, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Third Day of Christmas

December songs

... and now the last, Herrscher des Himmels, erhöre das Lallen, BWV 248 III, shown on the Main page, and here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Thinking of you

Having taken my first hot shower of the season and then going to stand in my garden, relishing the 22/71 degree weather, I took in the billowy white clouds, glorious blue sky, and colors ranging from pale lilac to ruby red, to lemon yellow and peach, with contrasts of deep blue and scarlet in the flowers there. I picked oranges and talked to the lime tree (which is slow to fruit). My thoughts drifted to you. I hope you are warm and safe. SusunW (talk) 17:54, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, Susun, so glad to hear from you. I can feel the warmth of the water on my skin and smell the flowers in bloom. I see the clouds like puffs of cotton, the deep blue skies as a back drop while all the colors sing a song to me. I can see you giving that lime tree the "encouragement" it needs to produce more actively (lol). The citric taste of the oranges you've picked, texture on my tongue from every bite. I see the colors, feel the emotions and hear the sounds all around you, as the beautiful Mother passes beneath our feet. Thank you for sharing this with me. It has made my day as my thoughts often drift south towards you. We warmed up this week to -22°c. The snow has piled up about halfway up the first story from storms about a week ago or so. We got out and cleared as much of the deck as we could so coming in and out of the house won't be as difficult. It's overcast here and the boys are out clearing trails this week so just my daughter and I here bundled up and staying warm. Safety is always relative here but in so much as I can control I feel safe. --ARoseWolf 18:14, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Our spirits touch though far apart. I knew you would be able to "see" the beauty of it. SusunW (talk) 18:19, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Susun, the picture you painted for me gives me the impression you know how things work for me better than perhaps I had thought. I am enraptured by your descriptions, the colors you used swirling around me, and all of this a song that moves me to dance or a poem with such depth that it quickens the beating of my heart as if I have just run for miles down a forest trail. Deep calls to Deep, my friend, and Spirit to Spirit. I am so grateful for you as I journey here. --ARoseWolf 18:35, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Funnily enough since it seems like your weather is warming up, while over here it's getting colder. There's a chance we'll be getting snow today. On another note, my foot got caught while I was riding my bike home from school and I fell. Luckily I didn't hit my head but my left hand got a nice nick right where the index finger connects to the palm, and my right knee got scraped pretty bad, but otherwise I'm just fine! ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:26, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Blaze, I'm so sorry your foot got caught causing you to tumble. I have fallen a few times over the years. I've never owned a car so walking or riding a bike was a must when I lived in Haines. It's even less needed here but now instead of a bike we do have atv's and dog sleds because we have to cover a much more vast distance. Still, I love to walk the land in the Spring. My daughter and I hunt for wild flowers to make salads all the time. Wild berries are an attractive treat too. I hope you stay safe, Blaze, and heal fast. I'll sing songs for you in the morning. --ARoseWolf 18:41, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Rose, that's very kind of you. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:44, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

The grayness of winter has always been very difficult for me. I thrive, as you do, Asareel, with the rainbow. I just really don't do winter. If it helps y'all I am wearing a sweater. It goes on whenever temps here drop below 28/82. I am sorry you had a winter mishap, Blaze The Wolf. May you heal quickly. SusunW (talk) 18:48, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Susun, I am the Rainbow, and while I have seen the grays of winter for many years now, I still find myself whether it's in the sunlight shining through a crystal clear icicle, colors dancing in my eyes, or the various shades of light emanating from the fires of the stove on wings of warmth slicing through the cold air. I still find myself in the seemingly never ending darkness of winter night. It's difficult but not impossible, details are where I may be found. Thank you for this today. I needed it. --ARoseWolf 19:01, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Amazing Milestone

Hello Rose! Today I woke up to something that has just blown me away; Minecraft has reached a total of 1 trillion views on Youtube. Seeing the video Youtube released (the one I"m referring to is the one that's a parody of We Built This City) gave me chills. Just reading the source saying that it's reached 1 trillion views gave me chills! I play Minecraft a lot and seeing one of my favorite games reach such a huge milestone.... I'm just at a loss for words. Anyways I hope you're doing well. I would make a joke about roses and wolves in Minecraft but Minecraft doesn't have roses, they were replaced by poppies. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:19, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, that is a lot of views. Too bad they replaced roses with poppies. I am doing well and I hope you are too. I won't be on Wikipedia very often over the next few weeks so please take care of yourself. I have to pull my weight around here so I will be taking my team out on the winter trails. If all goes well the first run will be about a solid week and the second may be closer to two. Maybe I will have a minute in between to pop on and let you all know I'm safe. I plan to leave out Friday early so I can make use of the limited light during the most difficult part of the first leg. --ARoseWolf 16:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Survey about History on Wikipedia (If you reside in the United States)

I am Petros Apostolopoulos, a Ph.D. candidate in Public History at North Carolina State University. My Ph.D. project examines how historical knowledge is produced on Wikipedia. You must be 18 years of age or older, reside in the United States to participate in this study. If you are interested in participating in my research study by offering your own experience of writing about history on Wikipedia, you can click on this link https://ncsu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9z4wmR1cIp0qBH8. There are minimal risks involved in this research.

If you have any questions, please let me know. Petros Apostolopoulos, paposto@ncsu.edu Apolo1991 (talk) 16:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Apolo1991: I'm not necessarily answering for Rose, but I would participate, but I'm unfortunately not 18 years of age or older so I am unable to. I also haven't really written much about history on Wikipedia so I probably wouldn't be able to participate much anyways. However I am incredibly interested in researching the history of various things. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:42, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Question from LunaDove (20:55, 15 December 2021)

I need some help trying to make an article. Thanks. --LunaDove (talk) 20:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, LunaDove, and welcome to Wikipedia. It looks like you have found The Wikipedia Adventure which is a great place to start but I included a little welcome message with some important and informative links on your user talk page. I think that will answer your question but if you have any others then please feel free to write me here and if I don't answer one of the amazing editors watching my user page will. Again, welcome to Wikipedia and happy editing! --ARoseWolf 21:33, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @LunaDove: I recommend taking a look at WP:YFA which has a lot of helpful advice for creating your first article. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:45, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Question from Gretchen and Janis

Hello! I hope you are well. You have been quite respectful about our disorder, and I wanted to know why! /nm -Gretch

Hi- kinda what Gretchen said but I want to know why you wanted to watch our talk page /nm because it seemed kinda random -Janis TheHamiPotterGeek (talk) 17:04, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello TheHamiPotterGeek Gretchen and Janis. I completely understand your question and will try to answer it to the satisfaction it deserves. I understand what medical professionals call disorders, mental illnesses and the like. I do not refer to any of them by those terms because it is much more complicated than any specific label can describe. I call them gifts because you, as a system and as individual alters, are a gift to this world and Song or Songs born from Colors and Notes played on Strings. That's how I interpret life, how I see everything around me. It is also why I live far away from others. I've tried living in cities and I can visit for a while but being around so many people and hearing so much can be overwhelming and has made me sick in the past. I'm great at making friends but it's hard to keep friends because I constantly hear things and sometimes they don't know how to understand me. I also have a habit of pushing people away. Only the stubborn stick around usually. I suffered serious childhood trauma which caused me to turn inside myself even as I continued to exist. Existence is a tricky word. My grandmother was instrumental in helping me to suppress those feelings until I lived more life and was able to deal with the trauma I experienced in a positive way. I slightly relapsed after my parents died years ago but began to form many of my philosophies on life after that which keep me regimented and focused (not always with great success). Some of my family have been supportive and helped me through the years but the one that has most helped me was my daughter. I have been labeled all my life going from doctor to doctor. I know how cruel but also how rewarding this world and our interactions with the music around us can be. I immediately wanted to watchlist your page to make sure you would be okay here. Nothing I ever do, no matter how it may seem, is ever random but is always with the intent of positive results. In the case of the encyclopedia, my goals are to bring awareness to our individuality and community collectiveness while continuously building a better Wikipedia through collaboration of ideas matched with reliable sources. I hope that explains some without going too far into details. --ARoseWolf 17:30, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh my g*d, I'm so sorry kiddo!! I hope it gets better!! -Patton TheHamiPotterGeek (talk) 17:20, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Renamed (Finally)

Hey Rose! Just figured I'd drop by to let you know that my account has been renamed. I was caught a bit off guard by the renaming as I had originally been told i Would most likely have to usurp one of the 2 accounts with this same exact username (Blazewolf and I think also BlazeWolf) due to me being unable to be renamed because of my similarity to them. However while I was asleep, 1997kb actually said I can simply be renamed due to neither of the accounts having any edits (well, one of the accounts had 1 edit but they hadn't edited since). So I was renamed and when I woke up, I had a panic moment because I wasn't able to log in to my account. Luckily I had my alt so I could see what was going on (I was originally switching to it to ask at Teahouse why I"m suddenly unable to log in) and I saw that my main account was now called "Blaze Wolf". So I simply reset my password since for whatever reason my original one hadn't been working. After all that here I am. If I were to ever want a new name in the future, in the message I would probably add, "Please notify me on my alt as well so that I don't think I lost access to my account". ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy holidays

Everlasting Fireworks looped	Bring on the cheer!
	Hi ARoseWolf, May you have a bright and beautiful holiday season filled with color and music. Stay warm, fulfilled and peaceful. Have a happy and healthy 2022! Netherzone (talk) 18:05, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy Happy!

		Saturnalia Time of Year!
		My friend! I am wishing you and yours the happiest holidays! Hoping you can stay warm and near the fire up there in God's beautiful country! Merry Christmas, and have a great New Year! Ci sentiamo l'anno prossimo. GenQuest "scribble" 16:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Question from Lot Clifford on Wikipedia:WikiProject Electronics/Article alerts/Archive (14:54, 23 December 2021)

Hallo, I would like join, as you use only desktop, I do not know as I use phone. --Lot Clifford (talk) 14:54, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Question from Turkisstrongman (05:06, 25 December 2021)

What is a mentor? --Turkisstrongman (talk) 05:06, 25 December 2021 (UTC)