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October 2021 - Notice

Your recent editing history in Greek War of Independence shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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October 2021

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Othon I (talk) 12:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Block

You have been blocked from editing for a period of one week for personal attacks. There's a limit to the allowances new users can be extended when it comes to a personal attack as egregious as Deliberately racist deletion. Not to mention to then say I have not insulted anyone when the insult is pointed out. That isn't so much a Wikipedia-specific thing as it is conducting oneself in a respectful manner with another person (universally). Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

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El_C 12:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

November 2021

Your recent editing history at Himara shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Khirurg (talk) 18:24, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

November 2021

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Othon I (talk) 09:30, 14 November 2021 (UTC)"}}[reply]

You have crossed the line. Endlessly accusing and reverting is NOT cool at all. I suggest you follow the general guidelines else things will go bad. Sorry for saying that. Cheers.Alexikoua (talk) 09:50, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cercok, I have checked your edits and you have not done anything wrong. thank you for the interesting sources. Alexikoua accused me too just yesterday of removing content which is something I never did. unfortunately such talk is pretty normal in Balkan discussions but do not let that discourage you. in my opinion it is better to focus on what really matters which is improving articles instead of responding to comments like those of Alexikuoa. You should note that per WP:TALK, you can remove all such comments from your talk page. Durraz0 (talk) 10:50, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bixhili family (March 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

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The comment the reviewer left was:

I'm not seeing anything to suggest that this family is notable in itself. Individual members may or may not be, but that does not confer notability on the wider family. Please cite multiple reliable, independent, secondary sources per WP:GNG, providing significant coverage of the family.

Also, the first two paragraphs are unsupported by referencing. Please ensure that all material statements are referenced to a reliable source.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Map

You made the map "15th-16th century Albanian tribes in the territory of modern-day Montenegro" a while back. Since then it has been updated with more tribes, so I wondered if you could possibly update it to include the other formerly Alb tribes in Montenegro. Thx in advance.Alltan (talk) 19:49, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Which tribes are currently missing? Çerçok (talk) 12:09, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Krici, Vasojevici, Kryethi and Mahine come to mind. Please see the template on Albanian tribes for any ones I might have missed. Alltan (talk) 16:40, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Bixhili family

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August 2022

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In particular, accusations that "Greek historians have falsified sources" [1] is a red flag. Khirurg (talk) 19:15, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Red flag for what? I am waiting since a week ago to see any sources that contradict what I have written. Either present sources or stop fighting the truth. Çerçok (talk) 21:15, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:TRUTH. Another red flag. Khirurg (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are the one refusing to provide sources. Çerçok (talk) 22:04, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello!

Hey! I also participated in Margariti, in case you have noticed and I wanted to ask: Where have you got the quote "Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or that is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted"? Thanks! AlexBachmann (talk) 22:34, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, it is in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names). I noticed that one of the users removed the Albanian name arguing that the Albanians do not live there, in full violation of this policy, even though I had quoted it in a previous edit. Çerçok (talk) 22:43, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Shall we add Albanian names to some Cham towns? (Parga, Preveza, Syvota, ...) I don't know if that would cause problems (edit war, blablabla)... AlexBachmann (talk) 23:11, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the policy is very clear to allow it. Of course if even Margellic is unacceptable for some people, I believe Preveza will be to. Çerçok (talk) 23:37, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmed Q blocked me from editing in Thesportia, stating that it is "not an improvement". AlexBachmann (talk) 19:01, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On the regional unit of Thesprotia I agree with AhmetQ because while the historical name for the region was Cameria and that should certainly be reflected appropriately in the article, that is not the name for it as an administrative division. On Margellic and other nearby settlements I agree with you will support a balanced naming covention for both settlements on both sides of the Albanian-Greek border. Çerçok (talk) 05:42, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thank you, I've seen my mistake. AlexBachmann (talk) 19:11, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We did good work. I also created new articles, (Neochori, Thesprotia, Kanallaki and Agia (Parga)). I know that they're most probably watching how the Albanian names in cities and villages in Epirus are being added, and they can't do anything about it. AlexBachmann (talk) 21:49, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Never"

What is this [2] supposed to mean? Never what? How can a section begin with "These uprisings" when it's not even mentioned what "these uprisings" refers to? Khirurg (talk) 22:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Bixhili family

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Hey man im josh (talk) 15:44, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pic caption with a cn tag

Take a look at it, the pic there has a cn tag in its caption. Maybe you can solve that issue [3]. Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:08, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just another stalling attempt by the same person... How is it necessary to cite what the painting itself states? Mysteries of Alexikoua. Çerçok (talk) 21:57, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alexikoua and his cn/vn tags. I have removed several frivolous ones recently. It is not clear what "verification" he wants when there is a quote, page number and the source is online. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 15:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ANI discussion notification

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Interesting article

Hey there. I was browsing Wikipedia when I stumbled upon this Himara Revolt. It seems the article is not as sourced as it could be, so I am referring it to you in case you can make improvements to it. Thanks. Alltan (talk) 16:01, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have noticed this article too. It is written in the same style as some of the ones we have recently improved. I may look into it properly once falsifications in those other articles are fully addressed. Çerçok (talk) 17:50, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

September 2022

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Alexikoua (talk) 20:45, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cercok, you have done nothing disruptive in regards to using the RS Xhufi. You are free to remove the above inappropriate warning. Alltan (talk) 21:02, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Exposing your manipulation of the source material does not constitute disruptive editing. Çerçok (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

September 2022

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. - ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 23:36, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is better to post your comment at the bottom of the thread, i.e. after the latest comment. Otherwise admin(s) might not notice it. Lengthy discussions become very messy to read. Ktrimi991 (talk) 13:48, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I indented it to separate it from the two comments above and below it. Next time I will post it at the bottom. Çerçok (talk) 14:49, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexikoua (talk) 01:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Urgent fixes to your DRN summary

Hi. Can you re-write your summary please? [4]

As it is now, it is so confusing. It has 5 sub-summaries without reason. In my 14 years, I have never seen anything like that. The 3rd subsummary, titled "1.1.1.3 Alexikoua's summary" needs to be removed asap, as it can be misleading as if it was written by Alexikoua, not you. I have been struggling to understand why Alexikoua wrote inside your summary. It was only the aid of the Edit History that cleared confusion for me. Fix it asap please. All other sub-summaries (1.1.1.1, 1.1.1.2, 1.1.1.4, and 1.1.1.5) also should be merged into "1.1.1 Summary of dispute by Çerçok" to keep only 1 summary for yourself. No editor is permitted to have more than one summaries. It is very important that in the Dispute Resolution, everybody respects the structure and formatting. DRN are very serious and attention is needed in how you format your summaries in them. Thank you. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 22:25, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, read the DRN rules please. [5] That means, to remove ASAP any mentions of you to Alexikoua's own summary. You are not allowed to commnent directly or indirectly to other editor's summaries in any way, without Admin permission, like how you did by stating "It is unfortunate that Alexikoua's summary never even attempts to discuss content that has been added from Xhufi.". The DRN rules are clear about this: 7. Do not engage in back-and-forth discussion to statements by other editors unless the moderator gives permission; that is, do not reply to the comments of other editors. That has already been tried and has not resolved the content dispute. Address your comments to the moderator and the community. Except in a section for back-and-forth discussion, replies to other editors or back-and-forth discussion may be collapsed by the moderator and may result in a rebuke. It may result in a rebuke from an Admin to you, and you don't want that.
And a last note: Do not mention other editor's names nor target/criticize them directly like how you did with "Khirurg and Alexikoua continue to force removals of Dr. Xhufi's citations from articles." Only summarize the dispute without pointing fingers by naming specific editors. The DRN focuses solely on the dispute, not on editors; doing so, may result in ramifications against your participation in the progress. I say: Revert yourself entirely, read the rules and then re-write it. To a number closer to 2.000 text limit down from the current 8.000 text, if possible. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 22:30, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@SilentResident I agree with some of the points you made. I can make a few improvements. But can you please tell me where to find the edits that Alexikoua made inside my summary? I cannot see it anywhere, including here the edit history here [6]. Çerçok (talk) 23:03, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies if I wasn't clearer to you: You gave one of your summaries the title "1.1.1.3 Alexikoua's summary" making other editors assume that Alexikoua wrote it. Never do anything like that again in the future please. "Summaries by X" may never by written by editors other than the writer himself, with X denoting the name of the writer of that summary.

Edit: Also keep in mind that in the DRN, only actually involved parties may be invited, not third party admins. That means admins such as Drmies (who is among those you pinged) has not been an involved party in any talk pages arguing in favor or against Xhufi in any way, may not be pinged to the discussion. Pinging him is a violation of the Wikipedia's rules as it constitutes WP:FORUMSHOPPING and may result in ramifications by Admins and Volunteers. You don't want that. If you have any further questions, about the DRN or whatever, feel free to ask Robert McClenon. He is our Volunteer, as I will be unavailable for the rest of the day due to busy schedules. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 23:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the sub-summary title about Alexikoua's summary, although no one would think I did not write it as it literally starts with me referring to Alexikoua in third person.

My summary was still shorter than Alexikoua's, now it is far shorter. That initial summary makes it difficult to write less.

I pinged only editors who had participated in talk pages discussing Xhufi, here is Drmies': [7]. Pinging him is not a violation.

Çerçok (talk) 00:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion in Ioannina

Hello Çerçok, I friendly want to invite to discuss in Ioannina. I wanted to add Janina to the lede, because more sources use this name than the Greek one (for real). But see yourself. AlexBachmann (talk) 23:21, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Your draft article, Draft:Albanian Resistance to Ottoman Rule (1479-1912)

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Hey man im josh (talk) 14:04, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Personal attacks

In many of your latest posts, you accuse me or others of "covering up massacres". This is a personal attack and an assumption of bad faith, and needs to stop. If you make one more accusation of "covering up massacres", you will be reported. I won't warn you again. Khirurg (talk) 00:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When you remove well-sourced content about massacres, you are covering up massacres. Maybe you are covering up massacres with very good intentions or maybe not, that is something that only you know, and I have no interest in. Whatever your intentions are, stop doing it. Çerçok (talk) 00:46, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I only remove things that are not well-sourced. On the other hand, when you make aggressive accusations against other people, there is no excuse for doing so. That's what needs to stop. Khirurg (talk) 02:14, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is aggressive is massacres. And you removed content from two historians. That is well-sourced content. Çerçok (talk) 02:47, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]