User:Kober/Archive13

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Mihran

Thanks for you edit on Mihran artical it is much liked Secthayrabe (talk) 20:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Happy to see you back in business

Happy to see you back in business :) Geagea (talk) 22:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

location

Kober, can you also make the same location map (example as you did on Tsageri to the article Sukhumi? Thanks in advance Iberieli (talk) 19:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Kober. Iberieli (talk) 17:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Shamakhi Dancers

Please make your contribution on Shamakhi Dancers page. What can you add concerning Georgian dances that are in the repertoir of Az. Republic's traditional dance groups? I have remarked some Georgian dances performed by the Azerbaijan Republic dancers. Please not that real Azerbaijan is found in North Iran. Genuine name for Soviet Azerbaijan prior to occupation by the Russians was Arran. Azerbijan and Republic of Azerbaijan are distinct matters and their cultura are different. After being established as Soviet Azerbaijan they started to create own "unic" cultur and adopted many traditions from their neighbours.--Arkankipcak (talk) 08:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Arkankipcak. Well, I will have to consult some sources before adding anything valuable to the topic as I'm not an expert on the subject. As for the Azerbaijan issue, I have to respectfuly disagree with you. I know an Iranian sentiment on this, but to me both the Rep. of Azerbaijan and Iranian Azerbaijan are equally "real". Of course, nation-making is a big impetus to the new or renewed identity, but the Azeri culture and identity has formed in a multi-cultural setting. The Iranian infuence was, without doubt, immense on all South Caucasian countries - Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia. Some peoples consolidated at an earlier stage of history, other did that later; but this is not the reason to refuse the already formed nations their identity. Best regards, --Kober^Talk 06:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Good job

Hi, just thought I'd let you know, as a courtesy, that I've translated Tamar of Georgia into Finnish. Great work! I'm eagerly waiting for your next major undertaking. :) --Olli (talk) 16:30, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Photo issue

Dear Kober, as per your question, its a photograph of the icon and I'm not sure how the copyright status can be clarified or categorized in this case. You are nominating this amazing article as a feature and therefore, I think it would be appropriate to remove the image from the article in order to avoid any further delays or concerns which might affect the process of acquiring the "feature article status" for Tamar of Georgia. Im sorry if it caused any frustration and delay. Thanks. Iberieli (talk) 19:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Tamar of Georgia

Hi Kober. realy great job. a little thing. according to the Georgian wikipedia she was died in Tabakhmela and the celebrat "Tamaroba" since? Geagea (talk) 20:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Kober. it is true, but a lot of Georgian jew surnames are only for jew. Geagea (talk) 20:49, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Kutais governorate

Hi! You have uploaded a map of Kutais governorate to the commons ([1]). Since there exists a better version (in terms of resolution) that had been uploaded (by me :)) more than a year before I'd like to ask you whether the former could be deleted. Or maybe I don't understand something.. Alæxis_¿question? 15:11, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Alæxis_¿question? 16:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Georgians

Kober, sure, but let me know whose image I should include and how many images we can put together. I will use the French people example. Iberieli (talk) 19:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

File:Georgians Kartvelebi New2008.jpg

How about this?

p.s გივი, ეს ფოტო [2] არის ძველი და თან არანაირი უფლებები არაა დადებული, და არც მისი ავტორია ცნობილი. რომელი "ტემპლაიტი" ჯობია რომ დავადოთ?? Iberieli (talk) 22:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Map of Tbilisi

1. First, about Georgians maybe also Giorgi Saakadze.

Giorgi Saakadze can be deemed as much as positive as negative figure in Georgian history, he is too controversial to be included in that gallery IMHO. Iberieli (talk) 22:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

2. Any way, you upload this map. Can you upload to commons?

3. Thiere is no map of the raions of Tbilisi. I notice that This list (Dzveli Tbilisi, Vake-Saburtalo, Didube-Chugureti, Gldani-Nadzaladevi, Isani-Samgori, Didgori) is for the Tbilisi metropolis that includes villages ect that maybe need article about it. also it needed different map for the Tbilisi city and Tbilisi metropolis (like it is in the Georgian wikipedia). Geagea (talk) 21:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

1915 photograph taken during the funeral of Akaki Tsereteli in Tbilisi

Iberieli (talk) 02:16, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

კობერი თუ ხარ ნეტზე გამოდი სკაიპზე. Iberieli (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Kober, i think this qualifies for 3RR [3]. Iberieli (talk) 15:53, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey

I a user her and noticed that you live in Georgia. II know I shouldn't ask this, because Wikipedia is not a discussion board, but are you okay?--Lionheart Omega (talk) 22:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Kober, hope evrything o.k. with you. Geagea (talk) 23:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Georgia

Hello old friend, hope you are OK. If you have a time, please look here and express your opinion on Georgia-related categories. Thanks. - Darwinek (talk) 11:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Hope you are fine. I want you to know that Polish people are with your nation in prayers and humanitarian help. It is terrible Georgia has to go through this war experience. - Darwinek (talk) 09:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Congrats!

Your work on the Georgia entry was used by the McCain campaign! I hope you're doing okay. --The Cunctator (talk) 19:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

ომი

გთხოვ ნახე აქ რაც დავწერე, რამდენი დამხმარე გჭირდება ეგეც მითხარი, ქართულ ვიკიპედიაზე მომწერე. არ უნდა მივცეთ რუსებს გასაქანი.--217.147.224.22 (talk) 10:27, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Cool tatoos :-) Kostan1 (talk) 11:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Georgia

I hope you are OK. I hope this terrible war will ended. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 23:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi

I actually just blocked both of them, since both of them were reverting at least 10 times on April 9 tragedy. I was thinking of protecting the pages but there were too many of them, so I figured the best way to stop the disruption would be to block them both. But I'm assuming that both of them will return once their block expires anyways -- hopefully not to start reverting again. Khoikhoi 06:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I just saw his comment. I'll warn him for personal attacks as well. Khoikhoi 06:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I've actually decided to change the duration to 48 hours. Khoikhoi 06:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Want to help?

An article about Grigory Leps was created. He is Georgian, so I thought you might want to help. I don't know Georgian Wikipedians so please give me names. Kostan1 (talk) 11:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

welcome back

Thankws god you are o.k. you were very missing here. I hope evrything will be o.k. for Georgia. Geagea (talk) 15:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

well none of us are in the state of editing wiki after carpet bombing with cluster bombs of our cities and towns, we will try our best to maintain the NPOV quality on Georgia related articles. Iberieli (talk) 15:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

heppy to see you back as well Iberieli :) Geagea (talk) 15:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Ergneti (ერგნეთი)

I made article about Ergneti (ერგნეთი) and the market of Ergneti in hebrew wikipedia her, I think it importent to understand that the eria is a place of smugling ect. there are two nice sources for that her and her also I try to make article about the Russian "peackeepres" her but didnwt finished it yet. Geagea (talk) 15:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic Cleansing in Samachablo

Asked about his own earlier comments warning of a risk of ethnic cleansing by Russian forces in the territories, Kouchner responded: "I hope that didn't happen overnight. But there has already been evidence that the armies are pushing away the Ossetians who favored Georgia, and in a certain way, yes, an ethnic cleansing is taking place." [4] Iberieli (talk) 15:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:Administrative divisions of Georgia

Hi Kober, thanks for clarifying the recognition of Abkhazia & South Ossetia. I had seen somewhere on wikipedia that Belarus had recognised their independence. Do you know if this was completely erroneous or if that country has any meaningful plans to do so? ʄ!•¿talk? 13:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me for interfering, but I come hither for the same topic: Belarus has not yet recognised the two countries, but the leader of the progovernment party and many other MPs have acclaimed their independence and there will be a summit of the CSTO member states on 5 September and I would advise Kober not to replace "partially recognised" with "recognised only by Russia" - in 8 days we shall see how other proponents of the indepence there are, therefore are such edits futile and incoherent with the recognition by the legally elected Hamas governemnt of the Palestinian territories. Bogorm (talk) 14:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a crystal-ball. Let's see what happens on Sept. 5 and then change the wording. As of now, the entities remain recognized only by Russia. And the Hamas did not recognize them but welcomed Russia's move. --Kober^Talk 14:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the correction on the Venezuelan position: my mistake sorry. As far as Cuba's position is concerned, I have found a better source for the official document and have updated it accordingly. Orthorhombic (talk) 11:15, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again for your polite response. Here is a fuller excerpt from Castro's statement:

"When the USSR disintegrated, South Ossetia, annexed by force by Georgia, with which it shared neither nationality nor culture, retained its status as an autonomous republic with its local authorities and its capital, Tskhinvali. At dawn on August 8, Georgia, in complicity with the U.S. government, launched its forces on South Ossetia in an attempt to occupy the capital, which it publicly announced on the same day that the Olympic Games were inaugurated in Beijing.

It is a false claim that Georgia is defending its national sovereignty.

The Russian troops were in South Ossetia legally, as a force for guaranteeing the peace, as is known by the international community; they have not committed any illegality.

The request for the invaders to withdraw is just, and our government supports it."

I agree with you entirely about the term "autonomy". There are many autonomous subjects of the Russian Federation that are not independent states. The use of the word "invaders" is perhaps the critical term here. You cannot invade your own territory. Castro clearly views SO as independent therefore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orthorhombic (talk • contribs) 11:27, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but my point is that they are claiming not to have made any change in their position. Orthorhombic (talk) 11:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

One more point as well, you claim that this is Original Research, but my having retrieved a statement from the President of Cuba is no different from any other user having retrieved a statement from any other official government website. Is that original research? Perhaps the whole article should be deleted! Orthorhombic (talk) 11:40, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Education

Hi Kober! I'm glad that you are contributing again, I was rather concerned at one point. I wish there was something concrete I could do.

Anyway, I've now completely rewritten the Finnish article on Georgia (it was about time). It's getting rather long, but I'd still like to add a chapter on education. However, I'm having a hard time finding good, up-to-date sources on the net. So, if you know a good source (structure, most important institutions etc.) I'd be happy to know about it – or, if you have the time at some point, maybe you could write a chapter here and I could translate it (there's nothing at the moment). There's no rush :) --Olli (talk) 16:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Kober, I'll get something together myself or perhaps wait for your text :) --Olli (talk) 18:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh thank you :) Quite a coincidence, there are so few Georgians here, fifty perhaps? I myself was born in Helsinki and live here still. Has your sister lived in Jyväskylä for long, have you had the chance to visit here? --Olli (talk) 19:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Great! I've translated your text. I left a bit on the "Certified Specialist's Programme" out, because I was unsure of it's translation.

I hope your sister and her family are enjoying Jyväskylä (and succesfully adapting to the Finnish climate :) ---Olli (talk) 19:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hey Kober, do you know if the borders of Samachablo and the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast are identical? The former article says that Samachablo is "mostly controlled by the Republic of South Ossetia". Khoikhoi 02:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Kober. The Kartli article currently gives the wrong impression that Samachablo = South Ossetia, do you think you could help me clarify there?

Btw, I was talking with Luis recently, and he thinks the number of people killed during the ethnic cleansing in Abkhazia of the 90s was around 10,000, not 30,000. What do you think? Khoikhoi 07:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Also see Talk:South_Ossetia#Attaining_NPOV. Khoikhoi 07:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Do you know which independent analysts say this (just so I can add the sources to the article). Khoikhoi 09:59, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

თქვენი

Check It. Khoikhoi 10:12, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

reported you

it is with great sadness that i have reported you to the administration for considering the merits of banning your unapologetic brazen stand of MASSIVE REVERTING WITHOUT DISCUSSING and on account of your contemptuous disregard for 3rr violations..Cityvalyu (talk) 10:30, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate that. --Kober^Talk 10:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Another example of "massive reverting without discussion" (35,779 bytes) has occurred in the Mikheil_Saakashvili article. Information derived from WSJ:"U.S. Ally Proves Volatile Amid Dispute With Russia" was deleted and replaced with a one-line prejudicial and poorly worded characterization of a Pravda article. What is the justification for this? I expect more than a glib "WP:LIVE" cite. -- NonZionist (talk) 17:01, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Once more revert w/o discussion, and having been told to discuss (where there was a discussion) took place on Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

If you want to discuss and express your opinion, then by all means do so. Do not otherwise, revert if you wish not to discuss Lihaas (talk) 03:45, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Renaming

I made a move of Ossetian war article. Please see my last comments and contribute if you wish. Thanks,Biophys (talk) 03:47, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Tamar of Georgia

Hello Kober, I have adapted your article on Tamar of Georgia for Dutch wikipedia. Thank you for your profound knowledge. Articles on Shota Rustaveli and his poem were also added. nl:Wikipedia was severely lacking on this, the Golden Age of Georgia. Regards, - Art Unbound (talk) 21:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Tskhinvali

I'm trying to avoid an edit war by using the talk page for discussion, until a consensus can be reached for stronger wording for those tags. Why do you insist on repeatedly reverting it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.234.17 (talk) 18:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Eh, and why have you made this edit? Don't you agree with the caption I've amended? Alæxis_¿question? 19:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

TrustTrust

Thanks for your WP:AIV report regarding TrustTrust (talk · contribs); for the time being, I've left them one last talk page message in the hopes of correcting their behavior. If they act up again in the near future, feel free to drop me a line or submit another report to WP:AIV or WP:ANI as needed. – Luna Santin (talk) 11:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Image permission problem with Image:Levan Varshalomidze.jpg

Image Copyright problem

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Tamar of Georgia GA

Hey, I've reviewed your wonderful article on Tamar of Georgia and I've promoted it to GA status. Congrats and keep up the good work :) Also, I peeked with curiosity in the Category:GA-Class Georgia (country) articles and I found a lot of erroneously tagged musical instrument articles that have never been GAs, you might want to take care. Oh, and if you're in the mood for reviews, I've also got a pending GA nominee, Chiprovtsi. Thanks for your work and all the best, Todor→Bozhinov 14:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Vani treasure

Dear Kober, I don't know what era or period this treasure originally from Vani, Georgia belongs to but it is now on Commons here: Image:Ancient gold objects from Vani, Georgia.jpg. You may place it in the article for Vani if you wish. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 09:37, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

• You're welcome. Its very unique to see such treasures from ancient Georgia on WikiCommons. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 10:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Kutaisi Automotive Plant

Created a stub, addition/expansion welcomed. I will write on its pre-1991 section, but can you add the Georgian name and find out what's the present state of the plant? --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 11:05, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

SO/medieval history

Kober, you misunderstood me. Ossetians couldn't have formed 3 distinct territorial entities in Georgia (i.e. Dogor, Iron and Kudar), because Digor and Iron are in North Ossetia. Hence I haven't made a nationalistic removal of the kingdom of Georgia. I tried to make the next sentence ...part migrated towards and over the Caucasus mountains into the kingdom of Georgia where they formed three distinct territorial entities... more accurate. If you are insisting on the presence of the kingdom of Georgia then you have to reorganise the meaning of the mentioned sentence. Thanks. Taamu (talk) 06:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Pandura

Thanks Kober I'm o.k., and how are you. I herd it was very rainy in Tbilisi. Geagea (talk) 07:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

About Panaduri. I belive it is Georgian instrument. Geagea (talk) 07:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

also Garmoni. Geagea (talk) 07:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Garmoni also. my uncle and my granfather were playing. Geagea (talk) 17:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. Gea, I've uploaded several photos taken during my recent trip to Khevi to Commons.[5] You may find them useful for your articles.--Kober^Talk 07:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Ganja

Thanks, Kober, very interesting subject which was left out of attention until now. I will try to get some information on it and add to the article. The rebellion was pretty famous in Azerbaijani history, there was even a movie (albeit with obviously strong flavor of Soviet propaganda to it) made by Azerbaijanfilm during Soviet times. I think in perspective, the topic maybe even worth a separate article. Atabəy (talk) 21:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Laz people

gamarjoba dzma; please read t5hat links !!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.238.54.75 (talk) 09:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Rustavi 2

Hey man, I could tell you were Georgian because of your page. I just wanted to ask you to keep an eye on the Rustavi 2 page because it had been attacked by the sketchy Russian POV-pushers. KOBA (talk) 00:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Life Goes On

Russavia failed to delete Life Goes On (The Article) and is now trying to delete its sources using the copyright angle. Could you weigh in on the dispute? WH Coordinator (talk) 10:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Gamarjoba

Hi pal, you must read "modern" articles.Cuz in Turkey 250-500,000 Lazs are living today.50 000 peoples were 1927.But now we are living 21 st century.Please write "modern articles" about Lazs.Gaumarjos Kartvelebi(Me Lazi var, Germaniaşi).Thanks... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.247.111.129 (talk) 13:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

More on Laz people

Hi there: The links that were added by anon to justify the recent changes to Laz numbers (13:22, 22 October 2008) are not really authoritative sources. One of them is a tourist guide book, etc. Are you going to deal with this? Regards, --Zlerman (talk) 01:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Jacob Zwanger

Hi Kober, how are you?

There is murder affair of Jacob Zwanger. He was Georgian and according to the Time he was in the post of "onetime Soviet Vice-Commissar of Harbors for the Black Sea region" her. according to other sourses he was deputy of Transport minister in Georgia, he leav Georgia in 1921 and he was engineer by occupation and invovlved in the Russian Revolution. some sources said that he born in 1883 Kharkiv and in 1905 was arrested for belonging to Russian Social Democratic Labour Party, but escape and moved to Austria and immigrate to Argentine and work there 9 yers as railway engineer. after October Revolution in 1917 he back to Russia and become the deputy of Transport minister in Georgia. in 1920 he was arrested by White army of Anton Ivanovich Denikin condemned to death and escape to Istanbul and from thiere to Palestine in 1921 ect.

Maybe you have other sources or information. can you check issue of his post in the Georgian government (Soviet government?). or maybe the origin Georgian surname. Thanks for any information.

This the article in the hebrew wikipedia he:פרשת הרצח בחולות תל נוף. Geagea (talk) 20:03, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

one more question. this pic ru:Изображение:5 тысяч рублей ССР Грузия 1921 аверс.jpg of a georgian manati is from 1921. according to the written is from the period of Georgia SSR but I think it from the Democratic Republic of Georgia period. Geagea (talk) 20:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia

Hi Kober, I have removed several quotes from Ethnic cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia due to the way that they have been placed on the article. Their placement, in particular the way they have been positioned, creates an NPOV/SOAPBOX problem. I have placed the quotes on the talk page, rather than removing them wholesale, for discussion. As a contributor on that article, you may like to provide your opinion on the matter at Talk:Ethnic_cleansing_of_Georgians_in_Abkhazia#Inappropriate_POV_quotes. --Russavia ^{Dialogue Stalk me} 02:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Yusef Khan-e Gorji

Dear Kober why did you delete the catheogory of the Georgian people from the article Yusef Khan-e Gorji? He was originally from Georgia in the Caucasus. In fact his connection to Georgia was even more than the Undiladze sons, as he was born and raised in georgia and came relatively late to Iran.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 15:47, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

ნახე გალის რაიონში რა ხდება? - Alsandro · T · w:ka: Th · T 06:26, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

TUSC token 2b0419a85b1c2c7c081fb8e8d561870d

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

Possibly unfree Image:183 roma banket.jpg

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Polish-Georgian alliance

I thought you may be interested in this new article I've just created. Perhaps you could expand it with some Georgian sources (my Polish ones lack many details on the Georgian side - like names of their representatives and such). I was also wondering about creation of an article on Polish-Georgian relations. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Mikheil Saakashvili vandalism

Hi I noticed you have been also reverting the IP vandalism on Mikheil Saakashvili. I've checked a few of the IP they are from Russia more specifically Moscow . I've put the article up for Semi-protection but it wasn't being Vandalised enough. next time you revert could you also warn the IP so they can be blocked individually regards, I'm a Brit by the way 安東尼 TALK ^圣诞快乐 19:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Geagea (talk) 12:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Kober. I'm o.k. I live in the centre of Israel the events occur south to me. All the history of Palestinian people they behave stupiditly. they have few chanses to have a state but decied not to do so. They support Sadam Hussein when all the world opposed to him. And now the meaningless Hamas that put a target to demolish Israel. They don't want to leave peacefully in thiere place, they just bombing israely civilianes and make 1 milion people to thiere hostage. Israel of course will delete the threat, even we tried to avoid casualties from both side and did not respond for alog time. But now we do so. Wish you better year from the previous year to you, all Georgian, Israelis the Palestinian people and all peopl in the world. Geagea (talk) 14:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

And merry upcoming Christmas :) Alæxis_¿question? 10:46, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

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Borjomi

hi Kober, I'm trying to make article about Borjomi but have few questions:

• Thiere is two residence or palace of Mikhail Nikolaevich: Likani palace her and this or this. whai is the connection between them?

• In some places it mentioned that the viceroy of Viceroyalty of the Caucasus build his residance in Borjomi ect. it seems to be Grand Duke Michael Nikolaevich of Russia but in other places (including thr article about Likani) mentioned his son Grand Duke Nicholas Mikhailovich of Russia. what is the correct. the father was the viceroy and was still alive in that time (in the begining.

• The historic districts of Samtskhe-Javakheti in the Georgian wiki mentioned: Tori, Javakheti, Meskheti and ka:სამცხე. they are different? Javakheti include tori? Meskheti include Samtskhe?

• It is mentioned that Borjomi was given to the Russian Empire accordin the Treaty of Adrianople in 1829. but accordin to her russian soldiers find the Borjomi water in 1816 ?

Geagea (talk) 16:30, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Kober. Geagea (talk) 10:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Kober, hello again. It is mentioned that Borjomis name in the past was Abbas Tuman. But Abbas Tuman is another place. see also Grand Duke George Alexandrovich of Russia who live and died in borjomi. It is written that he died in Abbas Tuman. Geagea (talk) 09:28, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

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Borjomi wildfire

Don't accuse me of vandalism. I have been WP:BOLD in adding SOURCED info to the main article. You have now undone this on two occasions. I am not going to edit war with you on this, however, I will be enforcing WP:V on this occasion. WP:BURDEN states:

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I am taking it to AfD. --Russavia ^Dialogue 13:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

It's at AfD. Additionally, the responsibility is now yours to source the article as per WP:BURDEN. --Russavia ^Dialogue 13:54, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Original Research?

Why did you change Operation Clear Field from actual to alledged? Do you have any articles proving so? You cannot just go around articles, and dispute them at your pleasure, and change them to fit your whims, you have to cite sources and discuss your changes, just like everyone else. So once again, do you have any proof that it was alledged, or was that your very own original research? HistoricWarrior007 (talk) 06:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Please don't abuse my talk page. If you have any grievances regarding the article in question, bring them to the article's talk page. Thanks in advance, --Kober^Talk 07:09, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I did, and yet you continued editing without first discussing it on the talkpage. HistoricWarrior007 (talk) 22:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit Wars

When asking others not to edit war, don't start one yourself. It gives you credibility. Also, please do comment on the discussion page on the issue. If you can provide a more NPOV solution, I would extatically welcome it. HistoricWarrior007 (talk) 07:11, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

No need for being ecstatic (I think that's what you meant). Just adhere to the sources provided by others or try to give the sources supporting your point. By reverting your edit, I did not mean to incite an edit war, but tried to "force you to peace" and encouraged you to use talk page for further discussion. --Kober^Talk 07:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

When suggesting a major edit, like a title change, please take a look at the archives. If there are scores of editors and over 100 pages on it, please have the courtesy not to restart the controversy. Wikipedia is supposed to by Encyclopedic. Also, when you try to "force someone to peace" - or force someone in general, that could lead to a war, it's a fancy term, "forcing someone to peace" but in reality all it means is that you want to get your way under false pretenses. HistoricWarrior007 (talk) 06:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I have to disappoint you. I'm really going to propose renaming and it does not certainly mean "restarting the controversy". "Scores of editors" will have to go through the discussion once again even if it takes another 100 pages because my suggestion does not contradict Wikipedia policy and is, thus, a legitimate move. Consult WP:RM for more details.--Kober^Talk 13:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

2008 South Ossetia war title vote

You took part in a previous discussion about that articles name, therefore you might be interested in Talk:2008 South Ossetia war#Article name vote. --Xeeron (talk) 17:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Sochi agreement

Hi Kober,

Did you see Sochi agreement? Geagea (talk) 22:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:Edit warring on 2008 South Ossetia war

It is so nice of you to let me know about it. I guess I made more than 3. Taamu (talk) 15:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

If you think I was doing wrong you can ask admins to block me. Madloba. Taamu (talk) 15:59, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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Opposition protests on April 9

I couldn't find an article on this yet, so I created: 2009 Opposition protests in Georgia. Maybe you would be interested in improving it as the events proceed? Offliner (talk) 06:18, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

St. Abo

Dear Kober, We should find more sources. Baghdad at that time was still populated largely by non-ArabsI know that many sources equall Arab with Muslim or all inhabitants of the lands occupied by Arabs. But it is more logical that st. Abo was of Iranic origin or was an Assyrian. Iranians were islamized and were living still as Iranians and were not assimilated into Arabs at that time. I do not know what has happened with the islamized Assyrians. As the name Baghdad (God given) suggest the city and its population were Iranian --Babakexorramdin (talk) 17:57, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I know what you mean. BTW what word did he use for Arab? --Babakexorramdin (talk) 18:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination

Hi. I've nominated The Georgian Chronicles, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. Paxse (talk) 18:10, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi Paxse. Thanks for nomination. I think it's ok. --Kober^Talk 12:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Shah Abbas's Mother

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abbas_I_of_Persia

Dear Kober, there are some uncertainties regarding Shah Abbas's mother. Some say that He had a Georgian grandmother, some say that He hada georgian mother, some say both. It is uncertain that 1- Khayr-al-Nisa Begum was Georgian or not or even if she was actually Abbas's mother or not. In other words it is not certain that Abbas was Khodabande's son. (I think also that he was not his son). Though in Wikipedia is mentioned that Khodabande had a Turcoman mother, Alamra mentions that Parikhan Khanum and Ismail III were of Circassian mothers. So if Wikipedia's claim is true that Khodabande was Ismaill Ii brother, he was of a Circassian mother. Alamaraye abbasi is clear about that. Abbas spoke Georgian and no Circassian. Also he favored Georgians in the offical positions *though there were also Circassians). I appreciate your contribution to bring in Georgian and otherwise sources which show Abbas's Georgian roots or shed some clearity on this matter any way. Albat Shah-Abazis deda tu bebia Shalikashvili iqo.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 09:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC) >didi madloba Kobero megobaro. Visi deda iqo Shalikashvili? Whose mother was Shalikashvili? What do the Georgian sources tell about Khay-al-Nisa Begum? Was she partially Georgian? Was Mohammad Khodabande partially Georgian? (I think circassian). Do they say that Abbas was Mohammad Khodabande;s son? Or just another grandson of Shah Thmasp (Tamaz), or even Shah Tahmasp's son? --Babakexorramdin (talk) 02:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Dear Kober please provide me with the Georgian sources. There is a certain person that seems to have some biases against Georgians. I do not say that he is connected to them but in general there are some panturkist elements who are propagating nonsense against georgians. They want to portray Turkics as superior and Georgians as slaves, disregarding the fact that most of military and a lot of governors from Shah Abbas onwards were of Georgian origin. The most funny of their acts is that they translate Ghulam as slaves. They say for ecxample that Allah Verdi Khan was Shah Abbas's slaves. In reality Shah Abbas called Allahverdi Khan Undiladze "father"/ The reality is that Ghulaman-e Khasse were a class of military servants and were privilaged people, often from aristocracy and nobility who served the court. They were not a slave who worked in the garden or kitchen! But as I said there is much effort to badmouth Georgians by panturkist and their supporters in the west.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 12:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. It seems that Khair ul Nisa was Shah's mother. She might have a Georgian mother or her father's mother might be Georgian. Georgians of Mazandaran were there already during Shah Tahmasp and it is easily to be read in Alamara. The history of Shah Tahmasp's succession in Alamara is confusing. It is sure that Heydar Mirza had a Georgian mother. Parikhan Khaum who got him killed and Ismail II were reportedly of Circassian mother. western sources here make up things and say that she was a Turcoman! If Khodabande was Ismail's brother he was Circassian, but if he was not his ful brother, he might have been Georgian and a son of Shalikashvili's daughter. It is also not very certain that Khodabande was Ismail's full brother. More sources mention Shalikashvili as Shah Abbas's grandmother. The Orientalist sources are not accurate and convinced of their own POV have disemminated wrong knowledge. They will still say oh this guy from England and or America is an expert withouth ever questioning their methodology and accuracy of their information, If I now bring 10 Georgian and Persian sources which counter these western/ Panturkic claims--Babakexorramdin (talk) 13:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The thing is that these people even do not believe Alamara and say primary sources cannot be used in wikipedia. Qnother thing is that the Panturks have strong sipporters in the pseudo-scientific workld and the big money is behind them. They want to Turkify everything most often at the expense of the Caucasian element in Iran. But please bring in Georgian sources at that time or recent --Babakexorramdin (talk) 14:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for The Georgian Chronicles

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Gatoclass (talk) 22:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Georgia

I know you are from Georgia and you want Georgia to be part of Europe, but it never was and never will be part of Europe. The boundary between Asia and Europe runs along the Caucasus Mtns and Georgia is located south of it, therefore making it an ASIAN country. Even UN classifies Georgia as an Asian country. Cheers. Norum (talk) 21:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm from Georgia, but I don't think that you really know what I want. First, neither Europe not Asia are strict geographic terms; second, the Europe-Asia boundary depends on its definition and the Caucasus crest is not the sole defining entity. Third, a portion of Georgia does lie north of it. For further information, please check Talk:Georgia (country). The issue has been discussed there ad nauseam. Cheers, --Kober^Talk 04:13, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks

Gee, thanks a lot for the barnstar! Cheers, Constantine ✍ 13:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Georgian troop mutiny

Perhaps you would be interested in expanding 2009 Georgian troop mutiny? It is surely a notable event and it's on the headlines in international media. Offliner (talk) 11:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

• • Yes but these figures were arrested and accused by performing and carrying it out.

Dadiani Palace Museum

The page seems to be in need of attention. --Ghirla^-трёп- 13:24, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Banak Cathedral

Hi Kober, Thank you for your courteous message.

1. That is very useful information you have on the Georgian restoration of Banak. If you can provide the text for me to analyze (perhaps name of book or scanned pages) that would be wonderful. I just bought a book on Armenian architecture written in Armenian and published in Yerevan that devotes 30 pages to Banak. I haven't had the time to read it yet (it includes some great illustrations) and I am hoping that it has references to the Georgian restorations you speak of.
2. I Strongly disagree with the renaming of the article, as this original Armenian cathedral is named "Banak" (Բանակ) and "Bana" has no meaning in Armenian (Բանակ means "army" in Armenian). My Armenian sources (including Donabedian as mentioned by User:Sardur (see my talk page)) correctly use "Banak"; Dikran Kouymjian mentions "Bana" but I don't think it's right to propagate this incorrect name. (I have, however, kept a redirect from "Bana Cathedral" and we may mention in the article that Georgians subsequently called the Cathedral "Bana".)

Warm regards, Serouj (talk) 19:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

However I would say that "Bana" seems to be the more often seen form of the name. Some sources have dated the building to the 11th century, btw. Meowy 19:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Gamarjoba

Greetings. I've been following some of your edits on Wikipedia and I would like to compliment you for some of your rather stellar contributions. As a native Georgian speaker, I was hoping if you could allocate the time to adding the Georgia text of Alexander Abdaladze's article, which I created a few moments ago. If you have any other information on him, which I found through a pamhplet that was from a lecture he was giving, it would be very helpful. Many thanks, and I hope we can collaborate together on some articles. p.s., you wouldn't happen to be a historian now would you?--The Diamond Apex (talk) 20:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks on your edits on the Abdaladze page. I must say I find your edits equivalent to writing a whole book on medieval Georgia. Keep it up! --The Diamond Apex (talk) 14:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

your georgian page

Hello, could you look perhaps at your georgian privat page? I have written what for you there. Thanks! --Serafita (talk) 18:02, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

მადლობთ :) ჯერჯერობით თქვენს გვერდებს (ანუ ნამუშევარს) არ ვიცნობ. იმედს ვიტოვებ, რომ ინგლისურენოვანი მკითხველისათვის საქართველოსთვის სასარგებლო ინფორმაცია შეგაქვთ. დიდი მადლობა.--Serafita (talk) 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I have forgotten that it is an English-speaking wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Serafita (talk • contribs) 19:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Kober, maybe this link will be useful - [6]--George Mel (talk) 06:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, George. --Kober^Talk 04:19, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

 Thanks for your comprehensive contributions and for your prudent discussions. My best regards! --Serafita (talk) 14:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Pishkinid dynasty

Pishkinid dynasty Gamarjoba Kober. While ago you asked if I have additional information about the Pishkinid Georgian dynasty of iran. This source says that Meshkinshahr is named Meshkin after them نوبختی خیاوی؛ سلیمان، خیاو، گمشدهٔ تاریخ، تهران: نشر قو, ۱۳۸۰، Nobakhti Khiavi, Soleyman, Khiav: Gomshodeh-ye Tarikh. Tehran: Nashr-e Ghu, 2001 The local name of Meshkinshar has been Khiav, which in the old Iranic language of Azerbaijan means a place where there is abundance of water. the source says that it was known as bishkin, mishkin etc... after the Pishkinid Georgian dynasty. Meshkinshahr is located to the East of Ahar. --Babakexorramdin (talk) 07:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Kober

Kober how are you? Whats new on Wiki? I just came back today to see some edits, horrible as usual. Thanks for staying here and keeping up with improving the articles. Iberieli (talk) 01:29, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey Iberieli. Thanks for your comment. I hope you will find time to resume your activities on Wiki. Best, --Kober^Talk 04:20, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, just so you know, Ashot Msaker was a prince who lived nearly half a century before Ashot I Bagratuni the king. I made the appropriate changes on that article. Please see the French article for more information: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achot_IV_Bagratouni. Cheers, --The Diamond Apex (talk) 15:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

By the by, as a tip, when you are citing sources and using the term passim, please list the pages that the information is found on; listing just the name of the book doesn't help the interested reader on learning more information about it.--The Diamond Apex (talk) 17:42, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for your corrections on Ashot. Best, --Kober^Talk 18:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

again Safavids

Kobers gaumarjos, me unda tsigni Shah-Abazis bebiaze! please take a look at Safavid kings articles. I wonder if you can provide me with sources. I especially need a source for Shah Abbas's Shalikashvili background. --Babakexorramdin (talk) 17:10, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Categories Georgian people and People from Georgia

dear Kober I wrote this. I thought it is also important to you and other Georgians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Koavf#Georgian_People_vs._People_from_Georgia --Babakexorramdin (talk) 20:37, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello Again

You probably are shocked seeing my entry. I've recently concluded a study on this war and found that Georgian soldiers are in a similar state that Russian soldiers were during the 1990's. The soldiers need help. Maybe someone in Georgia would be interested in organizing a benefit concert, just for the soldiers who, for whatever reasons, have been fired as a result of the war, have been injured, or something like that. I've interviewed Georgian soldiers, I know how bad it is and I won't talk about it on wikipedia. If you know how this can best be done, let me know. I'm against the government and cronyism, not against the common soldier. HistoricWarrior007 (talk) 23:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello. No, I'm not shocked, but I do find your post provocative and condescending. I don't know whom you have interviewed, but the Georgian soldiers I know need no concerts, but dream of taking revenge. If you want to help the war victims try to organize a benefit concert for those who suffer from the complex of "the 1991 catastrophe" and to convince the imperialist administration at Moscow to f*** out of the occupied Georgian lands. --Kober^Talk 04:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I see that I knocked on the wrong door. It won't happen again. HistoricWarrior007 (talk) 07:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Georgian people category

CfR I have nothing to do with the name of Category:Georgian people and Category:People from Georgia (country); if you'd like to rename them, check out WP:CfR. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Gagra

Since this book was published not in Georgia or Abkhazia and many years before the war erupted I see no reason to suspect it of being biased. Feel free to change this book by a more authoritative source where Bondarev must have taken his toponymy section from.

Also, it would be nice if the link to the "History of Georgian Mountain Regions" was updated and publishing info added. Alæxis_¿question? 15:36, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Great Article

I must you have done an excellent job so far on the 13 Assyrian Fathers article. I have provided some additional links for the article that will be useful for you on a further expansion. When you get the chance, have a look. Kudos Ninevite (talk) 20:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for 1920 Georgian coup attempt

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Marshal Bagramian battalion

Hi. Can you write as Bagramian battalion killed Georgians in Abkhazia in 1992-1993. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.44.145 (talk) 10:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)