Talk:Weight loss/Archive 1

Expand the Intentional Weight Loss Section?

I think the Intentional Weight Loss section should be expanded to read something like this:

Weight loss occurs when an individual is in a state of negative energy balance. When the human body is spending more energy in work and heat than it is gaining from food or other nutritional supplements, it will use stored reserves of fat or muscle. There are many methods for intentional weight loss, including carbohydrate and calorie reduction, a general improvement in diet, and even bariatric surgery.

The source page would be: http://www.modernmedicine.com/modernmedicine/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=519969

Adding this Modern Medicine page is a helpful resource for doctors and patients who are struggling with weight loss and it would ultimately make this page more helpful to Wikipedia visitors.

I also propose adding an internal link to the bariatric surgery page within my recommended edits, as some readers may not know the definition of bariatric surgery. That page should be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bariatric_surgery. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.190.187.4 (talk) 21:17, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Is this appropriate just by itself? Strike paragraph recommendation

The part "Raw vegetables are low in calories and high in nutrient density. Eating high quantities in blended or liquid form is a way to consume fewer calories and enjoy a feeling of satisfaction as body cells receive the nutrients they need." under Therapeutic weight loss techniques sounds like a biased statement (note 'sounds'). It lacks citing(s), and similar references to other sources of caloric energy. This could be a potential headache. I propose to strike that paragraph, or include all possible sources of caloric energy which are used in theraputic weight loss. Libertate 19:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. One could easily make the argument that consuming liquified vegetables is less healthy and satisfying, since it removes the fiber, which not only absorbs some fat in the diet and cleans out the digestive system, but simply makes one feel full by taking up space inside the body. 72.78.5.27 04:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Uh, don't know what section this would go in, but someone should list the number of calories per pound of body fat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.37.167 (talk) 08:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Improvement drive

Obesity has been nominated to be improved on Wikipedia:This week's improvement drive. Vote for it there to support the article.--Fenice 20:16, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

cocaine! what the hell!

it made me laugh when i read that cocaine was included in the methods of losing weight. that's excellent advice!

• Don't try this at home... Kappa 23:40, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

• Better at home than a pub toilet! If you are interested in some info that works, try http://www.healthyfoodexpert.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.127.159.42 (talk) 21:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Supplements

What about supplements that aren't appetite suppressants but affect the body's metabolic rate (eg [1])? Rd232 ^talk 15:35, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup

I added a cleanup tag to this article because the phrasing needs serious work. I started to clean it up myself but I went insane. --Captaindan 20:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Removed some parts

I tried to rewrite this the best I could. I did delete some parts that I considered more like part of a "how do lose weight" guide than an encyclopedic article. I added some new information too. This article still needs a lot of citations for its medical claims though.--Wood Thrush 03:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Exteral link recommendation

To the editors: I just wanted to recommend http://loseweight.yourhealthonline.info as a possible external link. The website discusses a variety of weight loss methods, including their benefits, risks, and expert opinions.

To the editors: I just wanted to recommend https://www.healthinweb.com/2019/07/cut-belly-fat-with-home-remedies.html] If you have very little belly fat and to decrease the belly fat with home remedies in a day or week.16 Top Home Remedies To Lose Belly Fat.]

expanding Intentional weight loss

"Other methods of losing weight include use of drugs that decrease appetite," should be changed to "Other methods of losing weight include use of drugs and nutritional supplements that decrease appetite, block fat absorption, fat replacement, or reduce stomach volume,"

Examples can refer to anorectics, recombinant PYY 3-36, Hoodia Gordonii, Olestra, etc. Libertate

Remove non WP:EL References links

Some of the references point to short write ups on research. Per WP:EL, it should point to the actual research not the write up on the research. Libertate 23:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Valarch keeps on adding spam to this page

Valarch keeps on putting back the following links: eatsprouts.com/blend/energy.html and eatsprouts.com/blend/green.html in the following section:
Raw vegetables are low in calories, high in nutrient density. Eating high quantities in blended or liquid form is a way to consume fewer calories and enjoy a feeling of satiation as body cells receive the nutrients they need. Popular blending recipes include Energy Soup – provides a very low-calorie liquid protein diet – and Green Smoothies, a blend of fruit and green leafy vegetables.
Most of his contributions to wikipedia contains a link to that eatsprouts site...
Is there a way to stop him/her from using wikipedia to promote what is most probably his personal bussiness?

What evidence?

"However, as reported by the National Institutes of Health (NIH), such treatment programs have a historic failure rate of 98%." Where? And if the NIH, a government organization, says that the treatment programs have a failure rate of 98%, why is such a program promoted on the FDA website: http://www.fda.gov/opacom/lowlit/weightls.html

I have seen this statistic cited many times without an actual source - I have searched the nih.gov page and turned up nothing regarding a 98% failure rate and weightloss. Therefore I am removing this from the article until it can be sourced to the NIH. I suggest it also be removed from other articles like "Dieting" until such evidence is found. --DA Roc 01:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

More What evidence?

"The easiest weight loss method has become mail ordered meal plans. Companies like Nutrisystem and Jenny Craig now not only recommend the best weight loss diets, but deliver them to private homes." Speaking of stomachs, this quote made my mine twist. Do any regular contributers to this article have an opinion on this? What evidence is there for the term "easiest weight loss method?" seems like it needs sourced at best. Velophile 00:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Intentional Weight Loss classification

I am going to try to expand the classification of intentional weight loss.

I propose to expand the first paragraph.
Weight loss, in the context of medicine or health or physical fitness, is a reduction of the total body weight, due to a mean loss of fluid, body fat or adipose tissue and/or lean mass, namely bone mineral deposits, muscle, tendon and other connective tissue, through restriction in diet and/or increased physical activity.
This will allow us to go into:

Intentional Weight Loss Physical Activity

Aerobic exercises

Anaerobic exercises

Strength training

Diet

Carbohydrate restriction

Protein restriction

Fat restriction

Combination restriction

Any thoughts?--Libertate 13:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)--Libertate 00:34, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Weight Loss Social Network

I suggest a new Social Network about Weight Loss for external link, http://www.extrapounds.com Thanks for all —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emoxion (talk • contribs) 15:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Need for cleanup

I've tagged this article as needing wikifying and cleanup - it reads as part ramble, and is very rarely sourced. I'm actually in the middle of a report on weight loss recommendations, so I'll come back in a few weeks and sort this thing out. -- Sasuke Sarutobi (talk) 09:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I realize that almost a year has gone by since you appropriately tagged this article for cleanup, but I think there is still, at a minimum, a significant need for citations. If you are familiar with the references to support many of the claims in the article, your contributions could greatly enhance the clarity of the article. Thank you! Wiki emma johnson (talk) 00:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

removed info

Following info was removed:

Therapeutic weight loss techniques

Main article: Bariatrics

The least intrusive weight loss methods, and those most often recommended by physicians, are adjustments to eating patterns and increased physical exercise.

Usually, health professionals will recommend that their overweight patients combine a reduction of the caloric content of the diet with an increase in physical activity. A good approach to do this might be to choose calorie-poor food and exercising at night (to avoid eating while watching TV, ...) If however, you exercise a lot during the course of the day (or all day for that matter), it may be better to not try to reduce your calories in your food during the day at all (you will usually burn all of it anyway during the day), and just eat when hungry, and, in addition, only try to reduce your calories at night. This method may be better for those people exercising all day to avoid to lose energy too quickly, which often translates in eating a lot more at certain moments, usually to this degree/speed of eating that you can no longer assess you've had enough. A good indicator to tell you that you didn't eat too much is again the hunger feeling; exercise until you feel tired and/or hungry and then go to bed only slightly hungry. However, even if you do not watch your calorie-density of your food (by the method explained just above), it is always best that you eat slowly, or eat a bit and then wait a little. Often, your hunger disappears if you leave a little time as the stomach needs time to digest and tell your body you've had enough. Also, another good complementary technique is not too make your food tasty at all and leaving it basic (to avoid "eating out of taste" instead of hunger); for this, one may eg decide to no longer put anything between theirButterbrot or sandwich, ...). In addition, a much proposed method to hold oneself to a decreased calorie-diet is to increase the amount of liquid you drink. When water or low-calorie drinks are not a working alternative/option, vegetables may be used instead. However, whenever possible (not hungry), (overweight) people are advocated of not eating/drinking at all, to allow the body/stomach to shrink, so that the person will automatically reduce the amount they eat (as the hunger feeling disappears), hereby normally (although not always) also decreasing the amounts of calories he consumes. Yet another method maybe the increasing of ambient temperature. Increasing the ambient temperature makes it much easier for certain people to endure the hunger feeling (as its intensity weakens with higher temperature Increasing the temperature may be done by either heating up the house (trough radiators, convectors, ...) -or- by putting on more clothes (eg several layers thereof and making sure the ends of the clothes overlap). Note that after a while, when you get used to the extra heat, your appetite may go up again; when this happens extra layers are added to again increase the heat. This latter method is recommended as it allows continuous high temperature (even if you go outside), is cheaper and also puts up less stress for the environment. Also, the implementation of a new hobby (eg listening music, ...) Most of these methods have been proposed by nutritionists as BCM and other organisations involved in weight loss Also, nutritionists as BCM advocate reducing the amounts you eat entirely (to only 3 meals a day).

Other methods of losing weight include use of drugs and supplements that decrease appetite, block fat absorption, or reduce stomach volume. Especially medicine with herbs as Fucus vesiculosus are popular . Also, there are also some mental tricks (eg brushing your teeth early to avoid snacking at night, avoiding to buy high-calorie foods at the supermarket, ...) that -although they may be low-tech-, have return big results . Finally, a more radical (and usually less recommended, unless really necessairy) method is Surgery. Bariatric surgery artificially reduces the size of the stomach, limiting the intake of food energy. Some of these treatments may have serious side-effects.

Please look into it and add references so that the info may be reuploaded to the article. Also following techniques are not described: the abstaining from sweets/sugar (which cause the bloodsugar-levels and the insulin-levels to swing, causing a wrong hunger-feeling (this can be done by avoiding white bread, pasta, table sugars, candy, pastry, ...)

also, remaining indoors can lead to too little vitamin D (from sunlight). As a result, one will eat more to get the vitamin D from food. As such, getting outdoors more often is also another technique.

stress is another factor which causes the hormone cortisol to break certain protein in our body to obtain energy. The body asks constantly for energy, leading to a unsaturatable hungerfeeling.

another technique is just filling up the stomach by eating mere low-density grains (eg by eating Lu cracottes naturel and reducing the amount of times you go to the watercloset. This will clog up the stomach, reducing the amount of times you get hungry (and thus the amount of times you add more calories every time you get another snack/meal)

Finally, the calorie-content of products such as potatoes has gone up (from 200 calories before to 610 cals today). This makes that one must eat less of them and allow the stomach to recognise the extra calories (by eating slowly).

Finally an extra link to wikihow (there are several articles here): http://www.wikihow.com/Eat-Properly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.145.199 (talk) 14:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Note that the vast majority of these "suggestions" are not effective. According to the NIH (National Institute of Health) 95% to 98% of "reduced calorie/increased exercise" diets fail within 1 year. The techniques listed above have been tried over and over again with no lasting effect. 71.214.70.136 (talk) 04:14, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I would like to suggest linking to bariatriclink.com it's a site with links to other sources of information. It's a not for profit website the advertising on the website is just to cover the hosting costs. This weekend the blog will go online which will feature a lot of useful information. The purpose of bariatriclinks.com is to inform and educate Thanks, for considering placing the link. Madberry (talk) 00:17, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

No thanks. Please don't add it again. Persistently spammed links will be blacklisted. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 00:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Section on Eating Disorders?

I think this article could benefit from a section (perhaps under intentional weight loss or as a standalone) on eating disorders. It would seem appropriate to discuss the extreme measures that could be undertaken to curb appetite/reduce body weight and make a clear distinction between healthy weight loss practices vs. eating disorders. Please discuss. Wiki emma johnson (talk) 00:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 2 April 2019 and 17 May 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Alexiscastro173.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 12:48, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Weight Loss Strategies

Came here looking for accepted and referenced weight loss strategies (HIIT, weightlifting, aerobic stuff, % heart rate numbers) and found not a whole lot. Anyone with expertise please contribute. Decent sources: http://exercise.about.com/cs/cardioworkouts/l/aa022601a.htm and http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/busting-the-great-myths-of-fat-burning.html Not editing due to inebriation. Hic! Pär Larsson (talk) 05:58, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Effects of Rapid Weight loss

I think this article would benefit from an outline of effects from rapid weight loss and links to the associated conditions. ie loose skin. I'd do it myself but I'm not well versed in the topic and would probably hurt the article rather than help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.169.148 (talk) 04:03, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Recent spamming

Much of the recent spamming is sockpuppetry. spam report here. --Ronz (talk) 18:07, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 January 2012

< !-- Dear Sir, I am a Health, Safety and Environmental professional with high qualifications and 32 years of experiences in the field of Health, Safety and Environment and want to contribute my knowledge to the world through Wikipedia. I have reduced weight of may people successfully by using simple natural remedies. I have investigated root causes of obesity and eliminated all causes to reduce weight of many persons. Therefore, I request you to permit me to edit and add new articles links etc to benefit people. My goal is to give solutions which reduces weight, green house gases and save this earth planet too which is a planetary emergency right now and we need to address by proper choice of our diet. If you need more clarification please contact me on <redacted>-->

Dradadiya (talk) 09:30, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

This template is for requesting specific changes to the article, if you need to edit it yourself you need to be autoconfirmed or confirmed, and I recommend you read the following pages: WP:REF, WP:OR and WP:NEUTRAL --Jac16888 ^Talk 10:11, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 January 2012

I would like to add an external link to the above topic referencing an article I wrote on the best of the various methods of weight loss which have worked for me in the past, The main topic of planning your weight loss, Thank you

The link is : clevelandmetrolife.com Proper Planning For Weight Loss Tmmahon1 02:53, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

 Not done - The link fails Wikipedia's guidelines and policies related to external links. See WP:ELNO and WP:NOT#REPOSITORY. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 03:09, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 March 2012

8e026jo-ikwq4va9z2mji5srmi.hop.clickbank.net/ "Weight Loss Factors"

Wan123 (talk) 15:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: What a URL! 8e026jo-ikwq4va9z2mji5srmi.hop.clickbank.net. Please read the section on link spam. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 17:49, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request to remove source linked to decrease in diabetes risk

I do not think that the source linked as Butler ME (September 2001). "Diabetes study shows value in diet, exercise". U.S. Medicine. Archived from the original on 23 April 2008. http://web.archive.org/web/20080423042119/http://www.usmedicine.com/article.cfm?articleID=261&issueID=30. shows that therapeutic weight loss in individuals who are overweight or obese can decrease the likelihood of developing diabetes, as stated. A similar statement appears in the conclusion as a statement attributed to Dr. Kahn, but the text of that article links eating a healthy diet and getting exercise to a decrease in the risk of developing diabetes. It does not link therapeutic weight loss to a decrease in the risk of developing diabetes (and certainly not causally).

I think that either the statement needs to be attributed in the text to Dr. Kahn or else this source needs to be removed from that statement.199.209.144.221 (talk) 21:26, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

New source

See: Loveman E, Frampton GK, Shepherd J, et al. The Clinical Effectiveness and Cost-Effectiveness of Long-Term Weight Management Schemes for Adults: A Systematic Review. Health Technology Assessment, No. 15.2. Southampton (UK): NIHR Evaluation, Trials and Studies Coordinating Centre (UK); 2011 Jan.

This should be an excellent source for the article.LeadSongDog come howl! 18:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Link Probably Needs to be Removed

The link that points to the FDA's "Losing Weight Safely" guide happens to be broken. It leads to a search(dot)com page. Waybackmachine cannot pull it up because the page was protected by Robots.txt and I cannot find any alternative sources for this information except Google Books. I'm not sure if I'm autoconfirmed or not, but I'd still appreciate feedback before taking any liberties on this one. Wieldthespade (talk) 01:58, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Citation provided

Intentional weight loss section says - This section needs additional citations for verification. (August 2011) Am providing a citation should someone wish to edit, http://spam.weightlossnyc.com/weight-loss-ny/faq/obesity.php e.g. can use for sentence

However, individuals whose obesity places them at an increased risk for diabetes, heart disease, or other conditions, may follow a stricter diet, but only under the close monitoring of a physician and/or specialist.

Nuzee (talk) 15:37, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, but no. We need reliable secondary medical sources as discussed at wp:MEDRS. LeadSongDog come howl! 17:17, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 November 2012

Andrew125689 (talk) 23:35, 20 November 2012 (UTC) Healthy Weight Loss Foods

The most important thing about losing weight is your eating habits. On average a person trying to lose weight should eat around six small meals a day. The meals don’t have to be huge. For example, breakfast, snack, lunch, evening snack, then dinner. The person should talk with their doctor to find a healthy calorie intake they need to be taking in. For, example a young male should eat around 2500 calories a day. Most foods that are healthy can be very delicious. A good balance diet includes all the food groups. A person needs proteins, vegetables, fruits, fats, starches, and dairy. An example of proteins would be chicken, fish, peanut butter, eggs, and almost any type of nuts. An important fact about proteins is to stay away from beef as much as possible. Some beef is all right but eats mostly chicken, turkey and fish. All together stay away from pork. For example, bacon, sausage, and pork chops. An example of a vegetable could be celery, carrots, and broccoli. To add, if you are not a huge fan of vegetables or fruits “V8 Fusion” is a great substitute. An example of fruit would be apples, grapes, and kiwis. An example of starch would be bread, pasta, and potatoes. An example of fat would be mayo, butter, and vegetable oil. Try to stay away from as many fats as possible especially saturated fats. Get light mayo and “I can’t believe its not butter”. An example of a dairy would be cheese or milk. With a well-balanced diet, regular exercise three to four times a week, and drinking 8 glasses of 8 ounces of water a day will help you lose weight and meet a goal.

You haven't indicated what, specifically, you want to have edited. The material you did provide appears to be redundant to the existing text in the article (granted, worded differently), so I'm not seeing an appropriate place to add the requested material. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:40, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Source suggestion

I've created a resource about weight loss guide. Can we add any information from it on this page or any related page, if it has something new. (39.52.193.20 (talk) 01:55, 19 May 2013 (UTC))

Unfortunately, that page does not appear to meet Wikipedia's criteria for reliable sources. --bonadea contributions talk 15:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I doubt anyone would find that list of inane platitudes helpful anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.2.194.57 (talk) 00:37, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Unintentional weight loss: expansion & differentiation

Have added a section on characteristics, and re-named the "causes" section to indicate that it's about disease process-related weight loss. Characteristics is currently about adults, but babies and children will need to be specifically addressed. The characteristics section includes several issues that will need to be expanded into small sections (such as adverse effects of medication).Hildabast (talk) 22:55, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Agree regarding adding a section on "characteristics". With respect to the heading for "causes" we know it will contain info about "causes of unintentional weight loss" as that is the name of the article and the heading above. It already discussed that some medications can cause weight loss which is separate from a diseases in a way. Best to keep it shorter IMO. Switched it before realizing you had just changed it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 23:42, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

No worries - I added a sub-category - don't want it looking in the interim as thought that's meant to be complete. Hildabast (talk) 01:34, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

From the section marked "Intentional"

"Weight loss occurs when an individual is in a state of negative thermodynamic flux: when the body is expending more energy (i.e. in work and metabolism) than it is consuming (i.e., from food or other nutritional supplements), it will use stored reserves from fat or muscle, gradually leading to weight loss."…I think this statement could be made more exact, or at least give more exact understanding, by inserting the words "and excreting" between the words "expending" and "more energy". I suppose one could argue that excretion of calories is covered by the "metabolism" in the parentheses. but it should have more emphasis than that. 174.52.9.38 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:57, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree, and I have changed the word "consuming" to "absorbing" to reflect the fact that a portion of consumed calories are excreted. This explains why feces are flammable (Feces contain a lot of calorific content which is nutritious to insects, microorganisms, etc.)

There is also a kind of fallacy implied by this statement, that weight loss by definition cannot be more complicated than "Eat less, move more!". What you eat and when you eat it affects both how much exercise you end up doing, as well as the total amount of calories you end up eating. Also, the amount of exercise you do affects how much you eat. If exercising makes you hungry and causes you to eat more calories than you burned, then "moving more" will result in weight gain, not weight loss. Gcsnelgar (talk) 13:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2014

Please change: "Cancers to suspect in patients with unexplained weight loss include gastrointestinal, prostate, 'hepatobillary'..." to "hepatobiliary" to correct misspelling. Genomicsguy (talk) 19:20, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Done and thanks for the eye Cannolis (talk) 20:10, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2014

Mikewilliam44 (talk) 09:10, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

This request might be *Not Done* but this individual just got an affiliate link into Wikipedia, even if it's a no-follow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.106.187.110 (talk) 22:56, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

"Dieting doesn't work"

Words to that effect do indeed appear in the cited study. However, examination of the study shows that it only concerns itself with short-term interventions, not permanent changes in diet. In fact, it explicitly states that it's examining outcomes "after the diet ends". It's therefore misleading to apply it to the wider meaning of "dieting", which we correctly define as "the practice of eating food in a regulated and supervised fashion to decrease, maintain, or increase body weight", without any limitation on time period. – Smyth\^talk 14:13, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

I though it was a fair paraphrasing of "In sum, there is little support for the notion that diets lead to lasting weight loss or health benefits." Are you saying the paraphrasing is poor or that the abstract is incorrect? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:35, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm saying that what they mean by "diets" only covers a small portion of the common meaning of the word, and we should be clear about that. In fact, they address this point themselves in the footnote on page 221: "The term dieting has been used to refer to a wide range of behaviors, but we use it solely to refer to the specific behavior of severely restricting one’s calorie intake in order to lose weight." They make no claims about the effectiveness of diets whose aim is to maintain a weight loss. That was outside the scope of their study. – Smyth\^talk 15:23, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Fat burners

Following this WT:MED thread, Fat burner/s redirects here to #Techniques, where dietary supplements are mentioned. Fat burners seem to be an industry-driven bunch of supplements with little evidence of efficacy in humans [2]^{full text accessible via Google Scholar}, and in some cases at least, potential for major harm [3]. Given the presence of the redirect, could someone here perhaps insert some specific (appropriately-weighted) mention of this stuff...? 81.129.188.21 (talk) 09:20, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Edit requested 23 Nov 2016 section marked "Intentional"

I have published a research paper on the use of supplements to produce weight loss, without any change in behavior or diet. I hope the following sentences can be added to Intentional, techniques, dietary supplements:

"Dietary supplements, though widely used, were not considered a healthy option for weight loss.[32] Many are available, but very few are effective in the long term.[33]

In 2008, "PILOT STUDY FOR AN AGE AND GENDER-BASED NUTRIENT SIGNALLING SYSTEM FOR WEIGHT CONTROL" demonstrated that nutraceuticals could promote weight loss (1). In 2006, three studies indicated how nutrients may signal metabolic controls related to body weight. The first study was done with leucine. Branched chain amino acids (BCAA) stimulate the nutrient signaling pathway known as the mammalian Target of Rapamycin (mTOR) pathway (2). Cota et al. (3) described the complex effects of mTOR signaling and then demonstrated in rats that leucine produces two signals in the brain in specific regions of the hypothalamus and the arcuate nucleus. They also demonstrated that those two signals decreased food intake and increased metabolic rate to decrease body weight. The second study was done with oleic acid. A signaling system proposed by Hsu and Huang (4) could regulate metabolism in adipose tissue in rats. In response to oleic acid, they proposed two signals that would occur in fat cells. Fatty acid catabolic genes would be upregulated while lipid storage genes would be downregulated. The third signaling system was found by Kim et al. (5) using docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). This fatty acid commonly associated with fish oil was shown to produce two important signals, one inhibiting adipocyte differentiation and another causing apoptosis in preadipocytes.

In the pilot study, people took a combination of BCAAs which contains leucine, fish oil which contains DHA, and olive oil which contains oleic acid. Over two weeks, all young men lost weight, many young women and older men lost some weight, but it was concluded that mature women did not lose weight as the signalling was only for 2 weeks and the supplements used were not concentrated enough. Now that better supplements are available, a new nutraceutical weight loss study is being organized. Those interested in participating to help end the obesity epidemic should email rocordman@gmail.com, SUBJ: Weight loss, to obtain more information about the study."

References: 1. Ordman AB (2008) "Pilot Study for an age and gender-based nutrient signaling system for weight control", AGE 30(2): 201-8 URL:http://www.springerlink.com/content/4703748150rj4033/?p=c84f6b8cf31f47fcaeaa5728883071c8&pi=0

2. Sabatini DM, Erdjument-Bromage H, Lui M, Tempst P, Snyder SH (1994) “RAFT1: a mammalian protein that binds to FKBP12 in a rapamycin-dependent fashion and is homologous to yeast TORs”. Cell 78:35

3. Cota D, Proulx K, Blake Smith KA, Kozma SC, Thomas G, Woods SC, Seeley RJ (2006) “Hypothalamic mTOR signaling regulates food intake”. Science 312:927–930

4. Hsu S, Huang C (2006) “Reduced fat mass in rats fed a high oleic acid–rich safflower oil diet is associated with changes in expression of hepatic PPAR and adipose SREBP-1c–regulated genes”. J Nutr 136:1779–1785

5. Kim H, Della-Fera M, Lin J, Baile CA (2006) “Docosahexaenoic acid inhibits adipocyte differentiation and induces apoptosis in 3T3-L1 preadipocytes”. J Nutr 136:2965–2969

Rocordman (talk) 16:45, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

@Rocordman: Please place new sections at the bottom of the talk page. Regarding your request, there are two important pieces of information needed before your request can be considered. First, we need to know specifically where it is published (if it's a journal article, volume and page numbers). See WP:MEDRS for acceptable sources. Secondly, is this a review article? Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 17:03, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. The suggested edit is my summary of published research. For instance, where the edit suggests Target of Rapamycin (mTOR) pathway (2)., at the bottom in References I cite the published articel 2. Sabatinin DM. Each of the five references are peer-reviewed scientific publications of original research. To answer your second question, my suggested edit is just additional new information to update the subsection to be added to Intentional, techniques, dietary supplements of the weight loss article. I hope someone with your editing ability can format it properly to add it to this page. User: Roc Ordman 23 Nov 2016 Rocordman (talk) 14:52, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

sorry but the initial response you received was incorrect. All that matters are the sources cited here and the content based on them. The content is WP:Biomedical information and so the sources need to comply with WP:MEDRS and these sources do not. So there is nothing we can use here.Jytdog (talk) 22:00, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks so much for educating me about wiki sources. As a professor, I always think of primary sources as the bible for information. But your link points out, perhaps wisely, that review articles are more secure sources. I shall try to revise my text when that becomes possible. I hope there is a way we can just delete everything so I do not fill up the cloud. Thanks, Roc Rocordman (talk) 22:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

User:Rocordman thanks for the understanding. This is a bit of a shift for many within academia. Cheers Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:59, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2017

Another aspect of weight loss without diet control is liposuction Sud761 (talk) 19:03, 23 November 2017 (UTC) Spam link removed from this comment. Deli nk (talk) 19:18, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Deli nk (talk) 19:18, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request on April 15th, 2018

I wish to add a whole new section to the article revolving around the "Myths" of weight loss, such as the inefficiency of diets provided by weight loss magazines and how much metabolism really impacts weight loss (which surprisingly isn't much at all). This can help those who are starting their journey yet are following some false information which may end up hindering their progress in the end. Canless (talk) 16:16, 15 April 2018 (UTC)Canless

Interesting idea, but be wary of writing a "self-help" article. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a medical reference.IAmNitpicking (talk) 14:33, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2018

The only true way to change body composition is to make lifestyle adjustments in diet and activity level (exercise) as a combined effort. Bluedropinc (talk) 04:13, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 13:51, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2019

Arshadali3791 (talk) 23:14, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

References

 Not done: Wikipedia is not a cookbook. NiciVampireHeart 23:19, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Poorly Organized and Idiosyncratically Edited Article

First, re-title to "Intentional Human Weight Loss" and start another article on unexplained human weight loss. Divide fat loss from lean body loss. Define fat storage as a function of energy homeostasis and fat loss as a result of energy input and output modulation. Define input reduction as calorie restriction. Define macro-nutrient restriction, fasting and modified fasting as forms of calorie restriction. Define surgical gastric volume restriction and surgically induced malabsobtion as "surgically induced caloric restriction". Define orlistat, various sympathomimetic amines and dietary fiber as pharmacologically induced calorie restriction. Discuss output modulation via exercise, cellular metabolism and thermogenesis. Discuss the "thrifty gene" hypothesis. Discuss hunger and reduction of metabolism as a consequence of intentional weight loss. Discuss set point theory. Discuss weight loss economics Weight loss fraud. Success and failure rates. Science of calorie regulation including hormone-like peptides. Risks and benefits of weight loss.

I don't mean to barge in and seem rude, but this article has been left to wither for over a year. If nobody objects within a week, I shall begin slowly editing it. Pupplesan (talk) 00:38, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Please do! It needs significant improvement as is. Also, what is up with that weight loss pyramid? What diet is it from? It's totally random and unreferenced. Marcipangris (talk) 07:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

It sounds like everyone agrees we should split this page into 2 separate pages, see additional discussion below. Tcotco (talk) 03:09, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Unintentional vs Intentional

Adding to various observations above...

From a readers perspective (broadly per WP:AUDIENCE) these really are two separate topics, which I think would be better covered on separate pages. The present page carries an infobox with an ICD9 code that refers to "Abnormal loss of weight". While I presume that code may also refer to inappropriate forms of intentional weight loss, it can scarcely be applied to well-balanced slimming. Imo, possible page names might be "Unintentional weight loss" vs. "Slimming". (The latter is currently a redirect to the entire weight loss page, including the unintentional part.) 86.181.67.132 (talk) 14:52, 20 May 2014 (UTC) It sounds like everyone agrees we should split this page into 2 separate pages, see "poorly edited" above. Tcotco (talk) 03:09, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Tcotco You can't use comments from nine years ago to say that "everyone agrees" with your brand new proposal. If you have such a proposal, you should also make it at the bottom of the talk page, and invite discussion from other editors, or better still, make a request at WP:SPLIT, before making any large changes such as duplicating articles as you have done. Melcous (talk) 05:00, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. I've created a section 'Split' at the bottom of this talk page.

Splitting proposal

I propose that we split this article into 2 pages: 'Intentional' vs 'Unintentional' i.e. Weight loss (intentional) and Weight loss (unintentional). There is not much commonality between these 2 sections and I think any reader will be interested in only one or the other, not both at the same time. Probably 95% of readers are interested in _intentional_ weight loss. This split has been proposed already twice before with a couple of upvotes, albeit from 9 years ago. This would allow us to lift all the headings up one level.

What do others think? Tcotco (talk) 11:18, 28 July 2019 (UTC) @Nuzee, Kuyabribri, Rocordman, Smyth, and Gcsnelgar:

• Not convinced. In fact I'm not convinced that "unintentional weight loss" is even a topic. Most of the stuff in this article is about causes of weight loss, and the sources are bent to fit. I think this article need a severe haircut, then it might be easier to see what's what. Alexbrn (talk) 06:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm sympathetic to the view that "unintentional weight loss" is "not even a topic", but there's been a lot of work put into that section. I think to avoid an outcry, we should split and then subsequently tackle the question of whether to delete the "unintentional ..." article or not. I would also vote that the unqualified "Weight loss" should refer just to intentional weight loss, with a prominent reference to the disambiguation page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tcotco (talk • contribs) 06:48, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
• Is there enough material to split this page into intentional vs unintentional weight loss? I'd say no, just from my general knowledge. Also, I've never heard that intentional weight loss is called "slimming." I'm from the East Coast in the US. Intentional weight loss is called "losing weight." Can we remove this line, provide a source, or clarify where it's from? YRG (talk) 11:39, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
  • The issue is not the amount of material but whether any reader would be interested in both sides at the same time. Tcotco (talk) 06:49, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
• I think this is feasible. The resulting "unintentional" article should also mention sarcopenia. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:16, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
• I agree with Alexbrn that the article could do with work. We have dieting which covers most intentional weight loss. The "slimming" concept is mostly concerned with losing fat for appearance/health and also includes simply making oneself appear thinner. Weight changes can also concern muscle, which may be lost or gained when dieting depending on one's approach and exercise. Not everything in life is fully intentional and unintentional. -- Colin°^Talk 13:25, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support split One of these concepts is for a benefit and the other is a harm. Any reader is unlikely to want the very different information on these topics. The process, end result, and sources to cite are different. Split into two articles. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:11, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
• Splitting sounds reasonable. It's the first question when a person presents with weight loss (Is it intentional or unintentional?). Whispyhistory (talk) 14:14, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

• I agree with the splitting suggestion. As an aside, I am unconvinced that eating disorders (anorexia nervosa and bulimia nervosa) count as "unintentional weight loss". Axl ¤ [Talk] 12:14, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
• I agree with the spirit of the proposal. These two concepts are very distinct. However, I don't think there has been any discussion on the wisdom of the proposed names Weight loss (intentional) and Weight loss (unintentional). I find it quite awkward to have both. Perhaps only the unintentional one is needed. I think that the weight loss that we think of in terms of diet, exercise, and lifestyle modifications should be kept here with this name. At his point, we do have articles on cachexia and wasting. I would want some educated opinion (I would need to do some research) to determine if there's enough of a difference between unintentional weight loss and cachexia and wasting to determine if we actually need a new article on that topic. Maybe we can merge some content, delete some if it is redundant, etc., depending upon what is determined. Biosthmors (talk) 15:56, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Who knows, maybe we just need a disambiguation page at Weight loss (unintentional) linking and stating what cachexia, wasting, and sarcopenia mean. Biosthmors (talk) 16:11, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2022

I would like to make a list of weight loss supplement products that i personally know that work. By doing that it could also get this page more clicks, because when someone would search for supplement products this page would show up. Aron skog (talk) 20:35, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 20:42, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done and will not be done, Per WP:PROMOTION. - FlightTime (open channel) 20:46, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials; and link to Weight Loss Drugs wikipedia article

It seems like it would be worthwhile to include here the results of specific studies around weight loss. In particular, there are several meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials on diet and exercise that seem worthy of inclusion, such as Long‐term effectiveness of diet‐plus‐exercise interventions vs. diet‐only interventions for weight loss: a meta‐analysis - Wu - 2009 - Obesity Reviews - Wiley Online Library

Additionally I think it would make sense to include at least a link to the Wikipedia article on Anti-Obesity Drugs in the "techniques" section, since this is a more-common and less-intrusive second-line treatment (after diet and exercise) than bariatric surgery. It is definitely a more common and better-studied treatment than hypnosis, which also gets a spot. IronLordByron (talk) 21:26, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

There are more recent reviews on the effect of exercise and diet control for weight loss than the one offered above. I made this edit to provide two such reviews, including a see also for anti-obesity medications, and removed the outdated content on hypnosis, which has no good source to support it. Zefr (talk) 22:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! IronLordByron (talk) 17:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Do drugs reducing stomach volume actually exist?

Page currently reads: Other methods of weight loss include use of anti-obesity drugs that decrease appetite, block fat absorption, or reduce stomach volume.

I'm not sure any drug actually exists to reduce stomach volume. At least, I don't think any of the FDA-approved ones work that way. IronLordByron (talk) 21:02, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Research Process and Methodology - SP23 - Sect 201 - Thu

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 25 January 2023 and 5 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Lz2605 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Lz2605 (talk) 00:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2023

In the introduction, please change

reduction in calorific intake or exercise

to

reduction in calorific intake or increase in exercise

Barring some illness (the context of the sentence), a reduction in exercise isn't likely to be responsible for weight loss. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 04:14, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 16:21, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

An edit with a link to an external website approved? KarmaKangaroo (talk) 17:24, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Should we mention this?

This article. Samolukadjo (talk) 13:14, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

No, WP:MEDRS needed for stuff like this. Bon courage (talk) 13:43, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Infobox image is ridiculous

Why????

Does anyone really believe that this image is adding an explanatory value or imparting critical knowledge here? Wouldn’t a photo showing something like loose skin or the impact of weight loss on a person’s face or virtually any actual photo of a human be superior to this? Is there something I’m missing here? Is there a reason why we have some 1995-era video game graphics in this article? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)