Talk:Until Then

Plot section

to follow. I need to sleep. Chlod (say hi!) 22:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Hopefully it's not extremely bad. Also, no, I didn't sleep. Chlod (say hi!) 00:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

H 2605:B100:732:6C1B:907:7988:2F40:72E8 (talk) 22:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 14:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that the adventure game Until Then blends 2D pixel art sprites together in a three-dimensional space?

• Source: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/until-then-is-the-only-visual-novel-game-ive-truly-enjoyed ("... the 3D interwoven with the 2D adds some surprising - besides the literal - depth.")

• ALT1: ... that the adventure game Until Then has an in-universe version of Facebook, where the player can like and comment on other characters' posts? Source: https://www.ign.com/articles/until-then-wants-to-become-a-portal-to-filipino-culture-for-everyone ("Facebook, ..., is the main social media used in the story. You scroll through your timeline, liking and commenting on your friends’ posts")
• ALT2: ... that the adventure game Until Then was recognized for its strong Filipino representation? Source: https://www.eurogamer.net/until-then-review-friendships-fears-and-filipinos ("The game wears its Pinoy Pride badge on its sleeve, and Polychroma Games is eager to showcase the Philippines to a wider audience. This is full-on Pinoy representation...")
• ALT3: ... that artists for the adventure game Until Then relied on Google Earth and memory for inspiration due to COVID-19 travel restrictions? Source: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/how-until-then-showcases-the-beauty-of-filipino-culture/1100-6523531/ ("Until Then's development started during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. [Demanawa] says that the team couldn't physically visit places for inspiration, so they had to rely on things like Google Earth and their own memories in order to recreate them.")
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Created by Chlod (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Chlod (say hi!) 01:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC).

• Just getting into the week time limit, long enough. First nomination, no QPQ needed. ALT3 seems the most interesting hook, if that doesn't work ALT1. Article looks sourced, will do some more specific checks in a bit. Lead could use a short summary of the "Reception" section. CMD (talk) 07:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

   Added a summary of the reception in the lead. Still waiting for more critical reviews of the game owing to how recently it was released; I'll expand it further as needed. Chlod (say hi!) 12:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

  ALT3 and ALT1 are interesting, appropriately sourced, and not copyvios. No wider copyvio found either. Good to go. CMD (talk) 13:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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Nominator: Chlod (talk · contribs) 20:09, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Vacant0 (talk · contribs) 20:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Will review this. --Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Initial comments

• There is unlikely any copyright violation in the article. Earwig's Copyvio Detector has reported only 12.3% in similarity.
• There are no cleanup banners, such as those listed at WP:QF, in the article.
• The article is stable.
• No previous GA reviews.

General comments

• Prose, spelling, and grammar checking.
  • "a global catastrophe which" → "a global catastrophe that"
  • "both predetermined or chosen by the player" – replace both with either
  • "his parents working abroad" → "his parents, who are working abroad"
  • "which causes their memories" – cause, not causes
  • "sends the two" → "sends them"
  • "parts of the other's childhood" → "parts of each other's childhood" (also mentioned later in the text, so replace it there too)
  • "and both him and Nicole" → "and both he and Nicole"
  • "Release of the game" → "The release of the game"
• Checking whether the article complies with MOS.
  • The article complies with the MOS:LEDE, MOS:LAYOUT, MOS:WTW, and MOS:WAF guidelines. There are no embedded lists within the article, so I am skipping MOS:EMBED. Overall, the lede's length is okay, and it summarises the article, the article has appropriate sections, and there are no biased words in the article.
    • I feel like another sentence in the lede about the game's development would be good to add.
• Checking refs, verifiability, and whether there is original research.
  • References section with a {{reflist}} template is present in the article.
  • No referencing issues.
  • All references are reliable. Good job on archiving them.
  • Spotchecked Ref 2, 3, 6, 8, 11, 14–all verify the cited content. AGF on other citations.
    • Infobox: R.V.A., Joshua James San Juan, Dave Von David, Dominique Duran, Gerald Dizon, Adel Garangan, Sharlene Yap, Harold Pongco, and Kyle Patrick Naval are unsourced and not mentioned in the text.
  • Copyvio already checked.
• Checking whether the article is broad in its coverage.
  • I've found two more sources that you could potentially add to the article (if they cover something that is not already in the article). See: Digital Trends and PSU.
  • "Despite the setting, Nulud wanted the setting to be universal" Why?
  • The rest of the article addresses the main aspects, and it stays focused on the topic.
• Checking whether the article is presented from an NPOV standpoint.
  • The article meets the criteria and is written in encyclopedic language.
• Checking whether the article is stable.
  • As noted in the initial comments, the article has been stable.
• Checking images.
  • Images are properly licensed.
  • Optional: Add alt text to the image in the Gameplay section.

Final comments

@Chlod: Good job on the article! Once the issues get addressed, I'll promote the article. The review will be on hold for a week. --Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 10:31, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I've applied all but one of the suggested prose changes. "his parents, who are working abroad" doesn't really make sense in this context; Mark does not live with his parents (they work abroad), so "with his parents" wouldn't be correct. Currently thinking of a better way to word that.

As for the rest, I'll have to do this when I'm not on a phone. Thank you very much for picking up the review! I'll get this done soon. :) Chlod (say hi!) 09:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Side note: @Vacant0 mention PSU as a potential source but it is not listed as reliable on WP:VG/RS and I would personally see it as situational. (I would suggest non-English non-online publications for broader coverage) IgelRM (talk) 11:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Yup, my bad. Digital Trends is listed as a reliable source. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 11:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Added context for Nulud's "universal" comment. As for the Digital Trends article, its main focus was on representation, which I had already included as part of reception. The reason why I didn't add it in is because the writer, Jess Reyes, had already provided their view on representation in their IGN article, which is in the prose. I didn't think it would add something that wasn't already said in that other article.

As for the infobox, I was under the impression that these could be cited to the game itself, much like the Plot section. If this isn't the case, I can find a source for Duran and Dizon, but this leaves a lot of them still uncited. Barring any usable source for this, should I remove the rest from the infobox? Chlod (say hi!) 05:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Are they by any chance mentioned in the game's credits? Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 08:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, they're mentioned in the game's credits. I can provide screenshots (not on Commons, because of copyright reasons, of course) if needed. Chlod (say hi!) 08:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

You don't have to. If they're mentioned in the credits, that is fine. I'll promote the article now. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 08:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

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