Talk:Tehran/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Imam Khomeini International Airport

Imam Khomeini International Airport is now open, it is very far from the city which is why it is currently only taking flights from arabic countries, by 2006 summer it will be taking flights from all other countries.

As of Aug 4, 2005, Saudi Arabian Airlines was operating from Mehrabad. I think only flights to Dubai are from IKIA.--Zereshk 17:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

The original Persian spelling

The original Persian spelling of Tehran, as I have seen in many sources, was with a Tah (ط), and not a Teh (ت). That can be confirmed by visiting some Persian pages like [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], and [10], the latest of which is a letter from Mohammad Mosaddegh himself (search for the word طهران on the pages). Although the current Arabic language spelling is the same as the older Persian spelling, anti-Arabic advocates shouldn't be allowed to ignore the history of the word. I will revert the removal of the original spelling by the anonymous user 69.111.53.180, which was clearly labeled "originally", if no valid opposition comes up here (in, lets say, 48 hours). I seriously believe that bias against the Arabic language should not come in the way of undisputed facts. I also volunteer to find older official documents referring to the city as "طهران" if the need arises. "Nobody that I personally know of, spells Tehran that way" is not proof enough that Tehran was never spelled that way: Nobody I personally know of speaks Swahili either. Does that mean Swahili has never been spoken? Roozbeh 22:52, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The following paragraph has been heavily refactored to remove personal attacks. When refactoring, I have chosen to err on the side of leniency, allowing questionable-but-not-blatant portions to remain. The “content” of the message has not been changed, merely the inflammatory nature of the wording. SWAdair | Talk 03:59, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Roozbeh, my enquotion of "original" was in jest. The name Tehran is NOT an Arabic name. When the Arabs conquested Iran, they used to arabicize (both in spelling and pronounciation) all Iranian words and names. Later when the Arabic language flousirshed further, many people, including Iranians themselves, would intentionally arabicize as many words as they could in their writings, as a sign of "high education" and how "arabic literate" they are. This trend continued all the way until the end of the 19th century. They would even write french words such as "consul" with the arabic Q as Qonsul. Fortunately, Iranian intellectuals put an end to this [practice]. Sadly, however, even to this day there are people in Iran who call this "anti-arabism". It is YOU who is trying to perpetuate something that is clearly WRONG. Furthermore, this is English Wikipedia, why do you take your toolbox and go from page to page to page and put your "in Persian" mark on all articles? And as if that isn't bad enough, you want to even include old, WRONG, arabic spelling of words and names, too!!! and this is ENGLISH Wikipedia.

I want to mention in the article that Tehran was officially called "طهران" for some time, without trying to guess the reason (which is disputed). Is there anyway to do that in a way acceptable to you? BTW, Persian speakers in Afghanistan still spell and pronounce "consul" with a Ghaf (ق) officially. Letters, languages, spellings, and preferences shouldn't be called stupid, IMO. Wikipedia is here to document, not to prefer a certain reform in language or spelling. Roozbeh 13:57, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Mr. Roozbeh, first of all you are wrong, that mispelling of Tehran in Persian has never been "official" as you seem to indicate. However, it is quite official now that that old spelling was wrong and the official spelling is the correct spelling; and this has been established for a myriad of other misspellings of names and words in Persian. Secondly, what are you trying to achieve by including an outdated misspelling of the name of Tehran in an article in English about Tehran? What benefit can this possibly have for anyone to show in the ENGLISH article that for sometime, some people, in PERSIAN, used to misspell Tehran? I just like to understand your logic here, sir. Lastly, as I was reading some of your writings in Persian Wikipedia, and as another poster over there had noted and protested to you, your so-called "Persian" is, forgive me for using this word here, nauseating. It is essentially a string of arabic words connected together with thin persian grammar. This is exactly what others over there have complained about your Persian. I wonder if your real name is Roozbeh, as Roozbeh is a Persian name and Mullahs would only give Arabic names to their children. Other than your name everything else about you is indicative of a mullah (or son of a mullah) with Internet access.

Oh, and Mullah's are apes and do not think about things at all. MirzaGhalib 07:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

The following comment has been refactored to remove personal attacks. SWAdair | Talk 04:01, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

DO NOT modify my writings in discussion area. This is not the main article, this is just the discussion area. People DO NOT want you to edit what they write in discussion areas. I am sick and tired of arguing with you.

Actually, we have a page here called Remova personal attacks which advocates that people should do this. Morwen 21:17, Apr 16, 2004 (UTC)

Note to 69.111.53.180 – Your positive contributions are welcome. YOU are welcome here. Inflammatory, personal attacks are not welcome and are against Wikipedia policy. Repeated behavior of this nature can lead to action being taken by the community, possibly resulting in a temporary or even permanent ban. If you continue to make personal attacks, it is likely that you will be banned, leaving only those who disagree with you to write the article. Again, you are welcome here, as are your positive contributions. Even disagreement is welcome, as that means you believe you can improve the Wikipedia. Please ensure that your conduct is professional, however. You will convince people by the force of your argument, not by the force of insults. SWAdair | Talk 04:03, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

OK SWAdair, thanks. I agree with you. My using harsh langauge will actually work to his benefit and to my own disadvantage. I will respond to him above and yet again, try to reason with him. But trsut me, this person appears to be very unreasonable and stubborn.

Teheran?

Teheran?

What kind of moron says "Teheran"? I speak Persian, I've lived in Iran, Tehran and I've yet to see anyone pronounce Teh-ran as Teh-e-ran...

- Agreed. I've taken out the bit that says Teheran is more accurate, because it's not what I've heard and I haven't seen any evidence. If someone wants to add that claim back, please provide evidence. - anon, 5 June 2005

There is plenty of evidence in numerous books and sources where "teheran" is used. I think it has to do with the fact that the letter H in Teheran is correctly accentuated to reflect the Persian pronunciation, whereas in Tehran, the H is subdued, making the word sound like "Tay-ron". Anyhow, here is an example of Teheran being used in some older texts: [11] --Zereshk 00:31, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That is not evidence at all. It merely shows that the spelling Teheran is widely used in English, which we already know. The question is, what is the Persian name for the city? If it's Tehran the letter h is clearly and distinctly an [h]. This is common in Persian: shâh 'king', shahr 'city', have the [h] pronounced.

Nevertheless, I agree that it should be TEHRAN. But I also think we should mention: "also spelled Teheran in some texts". Otherwise, many people will start thinking Teheran is another city in Iran.--Zereshk 09:09, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is not dissimilar to the difference between Isfahan (most common form used in English) and Esfahan (which more accurately reflects the Persian pronuniciation). As Zereshk has noted, when speaking Persian, Teheran more accurately reflects the Persian pronunciation, i.e. Tehe-ran (not Teh-e-ran) - in this form, the 'H' is accentuated, as there is a slight 'heh' in the pronunciation. Just thought I would point that out.

IMHO, the intro should be simplified for now as "Tehran or Teheran" as has been done in the article on Isfahan (city). But also, I am of the opinion that clarifying the proper Persian pronunciation (i.e. stating that Teheran and Esfahan more accurately represent Persian pronunciation, for example) for the reader is important. SouthernComfort 12:08, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

- I wrote Teheran on my userpage, it was a while back but I think it's because (and am curious as to why) it's sometimes written as Téhéran in French (where 'h' is a silent letter). -- Alireza Hashemi

Cleanup

This page is currently mostly a list of attractions. I serisously believe that the attractions should be discussed in one or two paragraphs and the reader referred to a longer page to know more about attractions of Tehran. It seems that an anoymous user keeps pasting these back in. Please consider reverting the article back to the shorter version. roozbeh July 2, 2005 02:54 (UTC)

Teheran is used by the Dutch Embassy for their website while their English site says Tehran. Reuters and the New York Times use both spellings as do publications throughout Europe and the rest of the world (see Israel and China for example). When I was last in Iran I was told that Teheran and Tehran sound almost identical in Farsi and thus the two spellings can (and are) cited interchangeably. Older sources (e.g. Sackville-West) tend to use Teheran while the push for some demand for uniformity (the gist of the above argument) seems to want to insist, without any real reason, that the spelling should be only Tehran in English. Centre or Center? Is this really cause for such vituperation? As they say in Ireland, there is plenty of sky for plenty of birds! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.198.86.50 (talk) 21:14, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Zartushtis

ببخشيد, forgive my trepidation on posing my question to this 'lively' discussion page (and for practicing the few Farsi words I know), but I didn't see much about the zartushti community - microscopic as it may be. I probably missed alot, not being as familiar with Tehran as everyone here, but I only saw Firouzeh Palace, Firouz Bahram H.S., and 'fire temples of great antiquity'. Perhaps there really are more Jews than Zoroastrians and surely Azeris, Armenians, and Christians; but I know that alot of Zoroastrians from Yazd have been moving to Tehran for quite a while now. There's a list of Mosques and Churches, but no Fire Temples (which could be 'cause at least you can visit the others). I don't know Tehran well enough to add anything with confidence, but I'm currently writing the Fire Temple (currently named Agiary) article, and would appreciate any information people could give me. I know Iran has two of what are known in Zoroastrianism as "Atash Bahrams" (I know its persian, but it has a specific significance in the religion). I think at least one is in Tehran if not both. One might be the Adorian-e Bozorg-e Tehran, but I'm not sure (the name suggests so). Finding Irani Zartushti information has always been an extremely frustrating task for me, but if anybody could verify the places in Tehran here it might be of interest to others besides me (but not likely-you don't need a big list or anything). In any case, I did correct the spelling of Jacques de Morgan, linked up fire temple (note: I hope to get title changed sooner or later - and article is very much underconstruction), and corrected the bad Bahram Gur link. خدا حافظ, Khirad^talk 00:57, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Picture is safe according to user 70.68.185.170 and me

According to user 70.68.185.170 the tehranshomal.jpg image is safe. I have this image and I too think this image has Free liscenses and is safe. I also hope that the image is safe and we can keep it.- user Wikilo12

You have to provide proof. Like a source or claim or link or something. Otherwise the editors will erase it.--Zereshk 07:31, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Less Attractions more information and Bigger page

If you look at this page you will see lots of list of attractions as you browse down the page. I think we should keep most of the attraction articles but we need to add more stuff like Tehran's Economy, Climate and etc. We also need more liscened good photos to be on this page--Wikiwo123 December 27 2005, 12:11 (UTC)

I'll condense the list of attractions down. But everyone is welcome to expand the page on the topics ypou mentioned.--Zereshk 00:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Important

if you check the history of the tehran article user:69.142.236.131 made a very bad choice to vandalize the page. The following section below contains inappropriate language.

Vandal attack

and they all are terrorists. yea. pretty much not a clean son of a bitch in the whole population. goddamn middle eastern bastards. Ralph Nader peace up A town down lick it hot cracker sheets!. ---hayden--- OUT... and now returning to your regularly scheduled poop.

Thats what user: 69.142.236.131 right after 98.3% of the residents speak persian part of the page we need to block this user fast fast.! If you need more info check the history of tehran article.--Wikiwo123 Jan.1/06 17:17 (UTC)

Well, that's what admins are for!--Zereshk 05:06, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry my bad

The picture in the economy section was a mistake. I meant to put a picture showing commercial buildings in Arjentin Square. KingKongIran 20:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Too many images

The page is getting saturated with images. The article wont upload properly on many browswers. Please do not post any more images unless you can transfer an image to another page (to prevent it from being lost) and replacing it with a better version. But I'll be watching anyway.--Zereshk 22:02, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to say the same thing as you said Zereshk. The images are beautiful and I just don't want to move them bur they are too many for a page like this. What to you think about making a gallery of Tehran in a different page and upload more pictures in the gallery. It's would be a pretty nice one.

I just forgot to sign (The One We Call God 21:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC))

Right now, the problem is that many of the new images are actually not PD or GFDL. And if we dont remove them now, some admin will sooner or later show up and remove all pictures, PD or not. It's happened before. Iran has less than 10 photos in total, and the admins are already complaining about it.--Zereshk 00:40, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Dispute: Demographics and the Turkish population

The article is disputed because there are some biased users who keep removing the fact about the Turkish population in the city.http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-6413.html Togrol 19:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

There are no "Turkish" population in Tehran. They are AZARI, which are TURKIC, not TURKISH.--Zereshk 22:34, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Al are Turkish related, speaking dialects of turkish, and ethnically Turks.

But it is not important, I agree to call them Azerbaijani as the source call them but lets not to censor reality. Togrol 23:50, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

The word "Turkish" is reserved for the people, language, culture of The Republic of Turkey. "Turkic" is the proper word you should be using. Turkic has to do with culture/ethnicity. But "Turkish" is more related to the nationality of Turkey. For example, the Webster dictionary defines Turkish as "the Turkic language of the Republic of Turkey". So when you use the word "Turkish", you are actively pulling in Republic of Turkey into the equation. And that is not correct. Turkish Turks ("Tork -e Estambooli"), Azaris, Qashqais, Turkamans, Uzbeks, ...all fall under a "Turkic" supergroup.

See the difference? That is why it is always better to say Azari, and be as precise as possible.

But above all, the fact remains that Azaris and other Turkic people of Iran, are still Iranian. If you agree with that, then we are virtually in agreement.--Zereshk 19:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

This is true. Azaris are not Turkish. And the point is that Azaris are Iranians as Zereshk said. The Unknown 23:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Please dont try to change the matter because anyway it does not help you!! Indeed say Turkish, Azeri, Azerbaijani all means one thing. I leave it for you which term you want to use but I cannot agree to censor it. Tehran is a Turkish/Azeri/Azerbaijani city and I want you to stand by this truth. Togrol 09:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Old data -- - K a s h ^{Talk | email} 11:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

It's like a joking that 98.7 % of Tehran's residents speak in Persian and these wrong informations make this site's data validity and reliablity doubtful ! there is most pupular neighbourhoods in Tehran that speak azeri .

Can you add more pictures please?

I love Tehran and it's my home city. It's a beautiful city with lovely mountains surrounding it. But I think the page is more of a gallery than an article. Please let's make a gallery of Tehran and other Persian cities and put many many more pictures in them. Thank you The Unknown 23:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I wish the same, but even if we did make a special gallery page, it would soon be deleted, because Wikipedia states that: "Wikipedia is not a repository of images."

In fact, as we speak, the gallery of cities on the main Iran page is about to be deleted because of this very reason (see Talk:Iran). So this gallery wouldnt last either.

That's why it is best if we kept the images here to a minimum, but only keep the best images, so that we avoid the danger of them being deleted.--Zereshk 02:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

So before these imaged get deleted, let's put them in Wikimedia commons in the Tehran Section. what do you think? The Unknown 15:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Or...we can do what people have done for the London article: create a special gallery page for London: Wikipedia:List of images/Places/Europe/United Kingdom/Cities/London

I think this is a good solution. Khoobeh?--Zereshk 21:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's great, but for now, I cleaned the pictures in a nicer way until we make that special page. But I don't think we have enough picture to make such a big gallery of images. That page is just huge. The Unknown 23:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Opinion

Does the article Tehran (Section Modern Tehran) looks better now or the way it was 2 days ago? Thank you The Unknown 21:58, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I will construct a similar page to that of London in the next 24 hours. The Tehran page is growing way out of proportion with too many pictures.--Zereshk 22:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

That's a big effort. Well thank you. The Unknown 00:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

New special gallery

All,

I just finished making a comprehensive image depository for Iran. Please complete it if necessary. It is located at:

Wikipedia:List of images/Places/Asia/Iran

This way, we can prevent the overcrowding of articles with images, as happened with the Tehran article.

Thanks to all.--Zereshk 04:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Videoclip of Tehran

Good job making the video clip but you don't need to put it in the introduction. We can see it. i moved it down in a more respectable place.

Thank you.66.36.143.230 23:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

List of universities

The list of universities needs to be alphabetized. Please somebody take care of it. I'm busy making templates for other universities. mer30.--Zereshk 02:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

soverignity issue

it's not vandalism. see talk in Jerusalem article. Amoruso 04:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Tehran's air pollution

I think that Tehran's air pollution is so severe and the method employed to fight it so unusual, that it is worth having a section on it.

"The main reason for this rationing was to reduce fuel consumption, so that fuel is not imported eventually."? Iran is a oil exporter. how is that they are discouraging fuel consumption to end importation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.154.10 (talk) 11:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Missing sections

In my quick review of this article for Version 0.5, I was surprised that such a major city was missing some important sections:

• History (only the modern city is described)
• Demographics
• Politics & government

Also, the sections on culture, geography and the economy need expanding. For a featured article on an equivalent topic, see Mumbai. Walkerma 03:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

the districts

I think it would be helpful for the districts linked to have some brief descriptions attached. Which districts are primarily financial, industrial, residential, touristic, etc -- this would aid someone in trying to get a sense of the city. Sdedeo (tips) 03:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

- I agree

Pronunciation guide

I believe it would be helpful if someone, preferably a person with knowledge of the Iranian language, made a sound file with the correct pronunciation of the city's name. Thrane 14:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Climate

Is it at all possible to have a small section addded summarising the weather and climate of Tehran? Other large city's articles seem to have this and is it great for comparison sake. 24.68.249.197 19:30, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

population

In the text (demographics) it is said that the city of tehran has a population of 11 million. Compare this with the basic data (city: 7 mio, Metropolian area: 14 mio)--Englishazadipedia 10:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

On a similar note, the article mentions that Tehran is the largest city in asia. According to the list of largest cities in the world, there appears to be seven cities in Asia that are larger, at least in population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seanp253 (talk • contribs) 19:00, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Milad tower

According to List of tallest structures in the world, Milad is far from being the fourth tallest. Tkeu (talk) 20:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

That is true that Milad is not the forth tallest structure in the world. But it doesn't mean that it is not the 4th tallest tower. Have a look at List of towers. So there is no mistake here about it. --Najand (talk) 03:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

References!!

It is very important to include references as we add anything to the page. Tehran's page is very much suffering from the lack of that. People just revise the page without paying attention that their revision has no value unless done along with its references. Thank you. --Axamir (talk) 19:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Amazing photographs of Iran & Tehran

Dear all, I suggest that someone contact Shahram Razavi and asks him to donate some of his amazing photographs of Iran to Wikipedia. Here are some relevant links:
— Amazing Iran, — Tehran - Maga Capital of Iran, — Reflections of a Vibrant Iran, — Contemporary Iranian Architecture, — Old Tehran & Iran photos, — Armours, Costumes, Uniforms, Flags, etc., — Imperial Iran of the Qajar Dynasty, etc.

Kind regards, --BF 21:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Tehran in 1857

http://www.tehran.ir/Portals/25/Image/1386/51/Tehran-1857-M-01.jpg

Map of Tehran in 1857 --Englishazadipedia (talk) 23:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

On the Digital Map of Ancient Tehran

Any possibility to include at least a link to this map in the main entry? For details, please consult: [12]. Kind regards, --BF 20:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

North Tehran

What neighborhoods make up North Tehran? I started a stub on the region, but I am not sure which neighborhoods make up North Tehran? WhisperToMe (talk) 01:20, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Almost all neighborhoods north of Vanak ( and including Vanak itself) is regularly called so , but I don't think I can cite a source for that . --Alborz Fallah (talk) 08:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The Ancient Tehran

Here is a documentary about the ancient Tehran which is very interesting. Unfortunately, the documentary has no English subtitles, however part of it contains spoken English (by the archaeologists of University of Bradford who had been doing research in collaboration with those of University of Tehran). Duration of the documentary is 48 minutes. --BF 00:37, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Dizin Picture

The picture uploaded as Dizin05 [[13]] is not Dizin. It's Tochal Ski resort.

I'm not also sure whether it's the "International Snowboard Championship", but I'm sure it's Tochal.

See, Dizin has 3 telecabin lines. Two lower ones are mounted sideways, and there's one upper one, and there's a 2-seater gondola lift mounted sideways with upper telecabin. But the picture shows 2 transversly-mounted 4-seater gondolas.

It's Tochal which has two big gondola lifts mounted transversely, crossing each other and you can see that clearly in the picture.

Check it out in Google Maps, in satellite view, full zoom.

Tochal Ski Resort's EXACT coordinates:

35.886834, 51.402299 : It's the exact coordinates to the place where the two gondola lifts cross each other. Persian snowboarders call that "تقاطع".

35.881940, 51.408076 : Tochal Telecabin's 7th station, or "ایستگاه ۷" in Persian.

35.887711, 51.401317 : Tochal Hotel Restaurant

35.883435, 51.414042 : Tochal ski slope's upper hill: Persian snowboarders call that "قله".

Dizin Ski Resort's EXACT coordinates:

36.048843, 51.417003 : It's the exact coordinate to the place where Dizin's two lower telecabins start. The one on the East heads towards upper parking lot, and the one on the West heads toward the middle restaurant.

36.033557, 51.423891 : Dizin middle restaurant (رستوران وسط as said by Persian snowboarders) where the upper (hill) telecabin, the hill gondola lift, and the 2 tele ski to the South East begin.

36.016763, 51.421621 : Dizin highest place, where both the gondola and the upper telecabin finishes.

36.033280, 51.432747 : Dizin upper parking lot, where Dizin road's from Shemshak ends.

Please note the image is used in the following pages, please consider correcting them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Iran/Archive_10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dizin

Komeil Bahmanpour (talk) 10:09, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

pronunciation

Which language is [tʰehˈɾɒn] supposed to be? It seems to be not-quite-Persian, but is linked to an English .ogg file. kwami (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

[tʰehˈɾɒn] is Persian, but the .ogg file is something between English pronunciation and the native Persian pronunciation (it's the accent of an Iranian American). Alefbe (talk) 22:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Since when does Persian have aspirated consonants? And shouldn't the a be long? I'd expect s.t. like [tehˈɾɒːn]. kwami (talk) 23:08, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Persian doesn't have a distinct aspirated consonant, but at least in some accents, /t/ is occasionally pronounced as [tʰ] (in syllables such as "teh", "toh", "tah"). About /ɒ/, though it's typically a long vowel and often pronounced as [ɒː], in special cases when it comes before /n/ (and there is no vowel after /n/), it is pronounced as a short vowel (this is also a well-known rule in the rhythm of classic Persian poems and also applies to the other two long vowels). Alefbe (talk) 01:48, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Is Tehran one of the long-vowel exceptions, then? Could we say "[tʰehˈɾɒn] or [tehˈɾɒːn]" maybe? Or is it best left as is? kwami (talk) 05:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

The standard Persian pronunciation of Tehran is with [ɒ], not [ɒː]. What I said about the classic Persian poetry was an example of mentioning it in the literature, not the sole justification. Alefbe (talk) 15:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

But this is the English WP, and we should show the English pronunciation, which is different from the native Persian pronunciation. Sure, we can also show the Persian pronunciation: the article on Paris is a good example of how to do this when the spelling is the same. Mhockey (talk) 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, unlike Paris, there is no "the English pronunciation" for Tehran (dict.com gives six English pronunciations), but in general I agree with you. First I wanted to know if the English sound file with a Persian transcription was supposed to be English or Persian. I added the English in a footnote (from MW, which differs slightly from dict.com), and added V length to the Persian, pending a reply, since we aren't concerned with poetic usage. kwami (talk) 13:59, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Lead sentence

The lead sentence has been changed to start with a transliteration of the Persian name, rather than the article title. This follows a discussion here. It seems to me that the edit is not in accordance with WP:AMOS#Lead paragraphs, and is potentially misleading, because readers could conclude that the "correct" or normal English usage is Tehrān and not Tehran.

Any other views? Mhockey (talk) 22:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:AMOS says "Likewise, if a strict transliteration appears overly repetitious, it should be in place of the page title in the lead paragraph." We can also look at other general encyclopedias (like Britannica) and the way they address it. Alefbe (talk) 22:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Consider WP:LEAD#Alternative names, which would give us

Tehran (Persian: تهران Tehrān, )....

I cannot see a good justification for departing from the MOS here. Repeating 5 letters is hardly overrepetitious, and it makes the position perfectly clear - which the current version does not. Mhockey (talk) 09:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and pasted it in. kwami (talk) 13:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Allah commands you to stop breathing

Teheran is the most polluted city in the world: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4502406.stm

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.70.32.136 (talk) 16:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Not amusing.

economy

i have added an economy section for this page.Please do not delete the introduction part of the page were it talks about Tehran's industries.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.185.170 (talk) 07:13, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Tehrans Area

tehran is a large city of course but the metropolis contains a couple of other cities around which extends tehran to a large area of the province 950 sq miles

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.86.17.21 (talk) 16:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

-Wait how is it really 950 sq miles, thats really big for a city... how are you sure?

Tehran metro

"In 2001 a metro system that had been in planning since the 1970s opened the first two of seven envisaged lines -- even though the city is prone to earthquakes."

What does that mean? A city that is prone to earthquakes can't have a metro? San Francisco's BART system seems to do pretty well. I think that last phrase should be removed.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjrudebeck (talk • contribs) 22:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Bias?

"Following the war, the city's older landmarks suffered under the rule of Mohammad Reza Shah. The Shah believed that ancient buildings such as large parts of the Golestan Palace, Takieh-ye Dowlat, the Toopkhooneh Square (pictured to the right), the magnificent city fortifications and the old citadel among others should not be part of a modern city. They were systematically destroyed and modern 1950s and 1960s buildings were built in their place. Tehran bazar was divided in half and many historic buildings were destroyed in order to build wide straight avenues in the capital. Many excellent examples of Persian Gardens also became targets to new construction projects. The decision to carry these out is presently largely seen as a foolish mistake that hurt the visual fabric and the cultural identity of the city beyond repair. Apartment blocks are introduced in this period. Tehran loses her famous historic charm for good."

This reminds me of the blantant propaganda issued by the IRI. And I belive that it was Reza Shah, not his son. Tehran still has its "famous historic charm", and this shows contrmpt for modernization/westernization.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Simfan34 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Sister Cities or Sister-Wanna-Be Cities!!

I see people just keep adding to the list of Tehran's sister cities without mentioning proper references!! May half of the list needs to go if we are to provide a real list. So, please provide a reference and citing to your claim. Thank you. --Axamir (talk) 16:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Page Pictures

Guys: Please do not just drop pictures without paying attention to alignment of the page. I have seen people just drop a picture of their choice without even care how it looks after adding the picture. If you can't do it right inside the article text, add your pictures to the gallery provided in the bottom of the page. That way no alignment needed. Thank you.--Axamir (talk) 16:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Tehran or Teheran

I believe it is Tehran, not Teheran, my source being Teach Yourself Persian. But the Persian script doesn't distinguish the two. It is Tehran. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.165.17.241 (talk) 15:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

It is Tehran for sure. The standard English transliteration is also Tehran. Surprisingly, in some languages, such as Dutch, Teheran is the more common word for Tehran. Be it as it may, Teheran is not only wrong, it comes over as extremely illiterate. --BF 16:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Here in Britain we spelt it Teheran up until recently (certainly up until the 80s). Nothing to do with illiteracy, Behnam, it's to do with transliteration. Mao Zedong was known as Mao Tse Tung up until recently too, in the English language. Languages evolve. Tris2000 (talk) 11:33, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Roozbeh's unilateral rewrite

Every great cultural city in the world must set aside space to introduce its culture. Look at Saint Petersburg. 75% of their page is about their attractions. Berlin even has a special section for tourists, aside from its attractions. look at Hamburg, Vienna, Milan, Rome. At least half of their pages are about their cultural attractions.

I seriously think Roozbeh has no right to come around here once in a blue moon and gand bezaneh be safheh o bereh. YANEE CHEE????

If you think the page is too touristy, then why the hell did you rewrite the whole goddamn page? (and then put a cleanup tag after your own incredibly poor edits??!)

Mardom zahmat kesheedan eenjaa!!! And all you do is erase stuff you dont like.

hey zertee meeyaad gand mizaneh be hameh chee.

Im reverting back and making adjustments to make the page look less "touristy".

You are free to help with that. But I cant let you rewrite the entire page without the consent of the other editors.--Zereshk 2 July 2005 09:28 (UTC)

1. If you think there is consensus about the way you think the page should be, show me consensus. It is only you who is talking about it.
2. Please translate all you Persian sentences to English.
3. As for your allegations in English, I didn't erase anything worthy. I have only moved them to other more appropriate pages and provided links to them. On the contrart, you have removed a lot of my material, including a part on the city governance. roozbeh July 3, 2005 14:22 (UTC)

1. No pertinent information gets erased from this page and transferred elsewhere. If you think the page is "touristy", then that's your problem. Just look at the cities I mentioned above and compare.
2. You are free to add material. But not to delete anything unilaterally. I had to revert your edits, because you had totally annihilated the page without keeping any of the former stuff, which belongs here on this page.
3. I dont think messing up pages and slapping cleanup tags on them aftwerwards is a very effective way of doing things on Wikipedia. As a administrator, you hardly contribute positively to any Iranian articles. Instead of expanding pages, you amputate what others have written and chip away at them, or slap on various unwarranted tags merely to be problematic. Your style is highly confrontational, and I dont appreciate that at all.--Zereshk 3 July 2005 22:52 (UTC)

You are very wrong in many details, including following Wikipedia policies, but I'm not answering them in detail until you translate your Persian phrases to English. This is not a proper dialog, but simply accusations from your part. roozbeh July 3, 2005 22:57 (UTC)

As an Iranian from Tehran, I find this article embarrasingly "travel agency" like and cheap. Most of the pictures are artificial or touched up, there is not a balanced presentation of the city sites and culture and overall, it seems that someone has gone out of his way to present Tehran in a travel agent style "palatable" way for the Western audience. For example, do more people go skiing in Tehran or go to Imam Khomeini's shrine? This, in my humble opinion, is indicative of some sort of inferiority complex and also a pitiable attempt to be "accepted" by Westerners by some Iranians who live in their own little world and who don't have a genuine Iranian identity. I sincerely wish that this article is balanced out. Also, chances are, the same person or people who came up with this gaudiness, have done the same thing on other articles about Iran, too. It seems that Zereshk is suffering from the fact that Tehran is not Berlin, Hamburg, Vienna, Milan, Rome .... well, get over it dude, it isn't and it doesn't have to be. And if you go out of your way to present it that way, most people will laugh at you and tell you ..... ZERESHK!! Mansour 4 July 2005 06:29 (UTC)

Mansour, if you're implying that most Tehranis would prefer to visit Khomeini's shrine rather than go skiing (or doing anything else for matter), then that speaks volumes. I certainly hope this is not what you are implying - in all my life, all the times I have been to Iran, I have never met a single person who actually visited that godforsaken place (yes, I have a POV, but this is the talk, not the article). Fact of the matter is, Tehran is a pretty decadent, lively, and cultured city. We should present Tehran as it really is, and quite frankly, judging by current fashions, trends, music, fast food chains, etc. prevalent in Tehran, "Western" is very much in vogue there (as it is in most other major cities). I don't see that as a bad thing. You may not like it, but neither does the regime. SouthernComfort 4 July 2005 10:13 (UTC)

 :::: Good point!  Alireza Hashemi

Plus, looking over the current version, most of the so-called, allegedly "touristy" (I disagree, but that's me) information was removed. What's the problem? SouthernComfort 4 July 2005 10:18 (UTC)

Mansour,

Almost none of the pics are touched up, and none are artificial. I took them myself, and I can say where and when. If you like, I can take you to the excat spot, because Im here in Tehran. And I think your idea of posting ghetto pics and men with reesh and chadori women from Nazi-abad and Seh-raah Azari to reflect your idea of the real Tehran is pretty absurd. This is not a political page, and Touchal is just as real as Darvazeh Ghaar.--Zereshk 4 July 2005 14:54 (UTC)

Roozbeh,

1. Mardom Zahmat mekeshand eenjaa means that "people put a lot of effort into writing these pages" that you so disrespectfully erase, edit, and then put up a clean-up tag so that I will have to come and clean up your poor edits, only to have them erased by you again in 2 months with another cleanup tag. Haleet shod? ("get it?")
2. Wikipedia admins that get involved in a debate or conflict on a page dont have the right to lock the page. They have to ask another Admin to do so. I must ask you to stop abusing your administrative responsibilities in pushing for your personal edits here.
3. You are in no position to pop out of nowhere after dozens of people have written this page with care and passion, and decide what is "worthy" to erase and what is not. To fekr kardee kee hasty mageh? ("who do u think u are?")
4. gand bezaneh be safheh o bereh and hey zertee meeyaad gand mizaneh be hameh chee means that "Roozbeh every once in a while appears out of nowhere and reduces the page to a big pile of crap with his demolishing edits." WHICH YOU DO. You slapped a cleanup tag on the Iran page, even though it was un-necessary accoring to Wikipedia rules. You accused my edits on List of Iranian scientists as copyright vioed, and yet I had to stop you and show you the exact NLM page that permits the info to be used. And I still remember your first words to me:

"please consider not editing Wikipedia at all". (Jan 10th, 2005), instead of accepting the fact that Iran is not a signatory to the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works (see list here), and OFFICIALLY does not adhere to International Copyright laws itself, hence no validity to your copyright violation claims.

As I said, youre a very confrontational editor, and I dont appreciate that.--Zereshk 14:54, 4 July 2005 (UTC)

Opening Description

"There is an oil refinery located south of the city." - This feels tacked on and does not flow with the opening paragraph. Neutralis (talk) 22:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Link problems

Two of the references I tried gave me problems. #2 comes up with a google 'attack website' warning (http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-GB&site=http://www.tehranatlas.com/HTMLs/English/aboutatlas.htm), and #13 gives a generic Lycos placemarker page (http://www.insiderinfo.com/). Thought I'd leave it here for someone more in the know.
-Eth (talk) 01:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Nickname

I am from Tehran myself, but I have never heard of something like "The city of 72 nations." as Tehran's nickname. It is true that many people from different parts of Iran immigrated to Tehran, and there is no problem with making a nice nickname that everyone likes. But not here. Wikipedia is about facts. I believe we have to remove it.--Najand (talk) 04:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Tourist sites refer to it like that, see enjoytehran.com. I see no need to remove it. Someone entered "The Bride of capitals of the middle east", which I couldn't find anywhere, except in references to Wikipedia, so I removed that.--Qarel (talk) 10:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Which is bigger?

The page on Cairo says that Cairo is the biggest in its geographic region. Also, the list of the biggest cities says that Cairo is the 11th largest while Tehran is only 33rd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuella99 (talk • contribs) 08:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

In Cairo, it was told that Cairo is the largest city in the Arab World. Tehran is the largest city in the Middle east and the 17th most populous city in the world, but Cairo is 2nd in the Middle east and the 23rd in the world. See List of cities proper by population.--M samadi (talk) 09:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

If you consider only the city proper, Tehran is more populous. But if you consider the metropolitan, Cairo is more populous. Alefbe (talk) 20:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Tourist information

Wow! This page was full of tourist information instead of information about the city itself. Please consider adding tourist information to Wikitravel for Tehran instead. roozbeh 03:56, July 2, 2005 (UTC)

Basic information

A suggestion: I think the article could use some details of climate, elevation, possibly distance from other major cities etc. Grant65 (Talk) 04:26, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Picture of beggar removed

The picture was completely irrelevant and had no strong link to Tehran's economy section so I removed it. A picture of Tehran's stock exchange would be somewhat more appropiate.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.184.190 (talk) 23:14, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Snowy Photo

Could some one add a photo of Tehran while snowing?--119.154.27.146 (talk) 02:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Removed this photograph

What was the meaning of having a reminder of an occupied Iran on the main page of Tehran? Is that something to be so proud of, especially given the fact that it displays one of the greatest mass murderers of the entire human history (i.e. Stalin - if in any doubt, talk with some Polish national). There is such a thing as good taste! --BF 15:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I think the photo should be put back there. Reason: that is part of history and should not be swept under the carpet just because it is a bad thing. Secondly, it is a reminder that Iran can become occupied again if nation is not strong enough. People learn from history. Do not take away the learning.--119.154.27.146 (talk) 02:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Disagree! People should read some books to enhance their knowledge of history. This photograph serves no useful purpose and has nothing to do with 8000 years documented history of Tehran. "Occupied again"? By whom? It surprises me that you just came in, as an unregistered user, to share with us such "pearls of wisdom". --BF 13:43, 29 January 2010 (UTC).

>Registered or no registered is not the matter. Logic knows no bounds. I have read my history books. Yes you can delete whatever you do not like from wikipedia but you can not hide history. That photograph is part of that history and belongs in the history section of the article. And as far as occupation goes, well there are lots of countries who have the capability to do it. Iran fought for 8 years with Saddam and at last it was a draw. USA wiped out Saddam in three weeks along with his family. Do you not think logically that USA can and has the capability to occupy Tehran the same way they did Baghdad. I mean lets admit it they even have twice occupied it before, in second world war and in 1953 when CIA was running Tehran. Why forget, the last summer's "uprising" in Tehran. After all if 400 million dollars can do that, then the 500 billion dollar US military budget is far more than enough to occupy Tehran. Russians also had military presence there before second world war. Also remember the influence of the gigantic British embassy in Tehran with their other huge compound north of Tehran and the role they have played in the history of internal politics of Iran and Tehran both before revolution and after. Lets not kid ourselves. We are grown ups. --119.154.11.81 (talk) 00:34, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I do not understand what you are getting at! As I mentioned earlier, the city of Tehran has a documented history of 8000 years! (I hope you took the trouble of watching the video of which I gave the link.) This is an encyclopaedic article on Tehran, which should therefore focus on Tehran and as much as possible on her 8000 years of documented history. Here you have an independent Wikipedia entry on Tehran Conference. If you want to add something pertaining to this conference, you should be there, not here, where the main issue is Tehran itself. What the USA and CIA may or may not be up to (you may wish to have a look here for my take on the recent events), is not relevant to the present entry. If you so desire, you may go here where you have ample space to express your views, on both past and present events. With kind regards, --BF 10:24, 1 February 2010 (UTC).

Metro?

"Tehran has one of the cleanest and most convenient metro systems, in terms of accessibility to different parts of the city, in the region." This sounds more like an advertisement to me than a fact. --Wikiperson0202 (talk) 19:00, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually that is true. First of all the region does not have any metro and secondly Tehran's metro is much more cleaner than even North American ones. --119.154.27.146 (talk) 02:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Can you not specifically cite this then? Applica2 (talk) 19:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

On YouTube there are some videos related to Tehran Metro, such as this one. Also on Flickr some relevant photographs can be found. This audio slideshow shows details of some of the artwork incorporated into Tehran's underground system (it is part of this article, which is in Persian). This video amounts to a reasonable representation of the more prosperous parts of modern Tehran. And finally, these are photographs of some beautiful natural scenery of Iran, to be preferably viewed in wide-screen. --BF 00:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Inconsistent climate data?

The various factoids mentioned in prose under #Climate aren't consistent with the climate data table. Example: is the record high temperature 42 or 48 degrees C? Bernd Jendrissek (talk) 18:54, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Sister Cities

Please donot just drop a name of a city in this section! It is not a WISH LIST!! If you know of any city that is a sister city with Tehran, please provide a reference. Thank you.--75.75.25.225 (talk) 04:14, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

The Tehran_Urbanization.gif image is really big ~8 MBs...

Even the thumbnail of this image is loading 8 MBs image, i think the problem is that the format is .gif and Wpedia is not able to create a real thumbnail, can someone change this one with a .jpg image and fix the thumbnail ?

i tried but was not successful (as i am a beginner) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inter3de (talk • contribs) 13:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

this article should be protected under the laws of wikipedia

because of the importance of Tehran as a capital and the numerous changes have been made in the past few days the article should be protected that not anyone with false information can edit it.

and about Tehran's sister cities, the issue is becoming a catastrophe. the article should be recovered to what It was 2 months ago, the new versions all have problems and contain false information.

meanwhile, I'm a native resident of Tehran and I can help to improve this article after becoming a protected article.

92.61.190.1 (talk) 23:01, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

This Article is a Farce

This article is FULL of unverified claims about 'the longest this', the 'biggest that'. I very much doubt for example than Tehran has more bus stops than any other Asian city, such urban rumours have no place without citations.

Secondly, vague claims such as 'the most efficient' and 'most advanced' are subjective, and the governments of other cities would gladly argue against this. If a specialist on Tehran wants to clean up this article be my guest, failing that I will.

Thirdly, the majority of this article was clearly written by someone who's quality of English is questionable, many phrases do not seem to make sense and are written in a very un-english-natural way (Aka, bad translations a plenty).

Fourthly, there is no mention at all about Tehran's precarious location on a large fault line, with the serious danger of a collosal earthquake

I understand Tehran is a beautiful city of which its residents are proud, but wikipedia is a place for facts, not opinions, and this article seems to be Propaganda written by the Clerics themselves, one such article is the opinions on the re-building, where by the modern buildings are described as 'destroying the city' with 'no plan at all' VERY opinionated.

(Umbongo91 (talk) 16:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC))

Coordinate error

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The following coordinate fixes are need for —85.15.10.28 (talk) 21:42, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Declined — Existing coordinates appear to be correct. Please feel free to repost the {{geodata-check}} tag with an explanation of why you think a correction is needed. Best regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 19:14, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Ethnic composition of Tehran

Please refer to pp. 276 in this pdf: http://refahj.ir/browse.php?a_code=A-10-1-28&slc_lang=fa&sid=1 , obviously showed that azeries make 42.2 percent as maximum and baluche make 0.3 percent as minimum. And according to PEN Center, ethnic composition of Tehran is: Persians: 36%, Azeri: 33%, Gilak and Mazandarani: 15%, Kurds: 7%, Lur and Bakhtiari: 4%, Arab: 1% and all other minorities (plus foreigners) about 5%. http://www.pen-kurd.org/englizi/varia/state-of-minorities-in-iran.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anticipatorr (talk • contribs) 13:32, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

• Pen-Kurd center (not related to PEN association) is not a reliable website. It is made by a user who has not done any census on the issue, does not live in Iran and has a poor command of English. It is furthermore a political source. It is a oneman center with arbitrary statistics madeup by a user and does not meet WP:RS. It is not an academic book or reliable source and is in a poorly written English.

• The other site you have has no such information on page 276, rather it is taking a census among recent migrants to Tehran with only 380 people (samplesize) in one "Hashiyeh-Neshin"(outskirt ghetto not Tehran itself) area called Ghorbat in the district of Khak-e-Sefid!. It is not a uniform sampling of Tehran and a small outskirt (Hashiyeh-Neshin) area called Ghorbat in one district where recent migrants crowded into. It cannot be representative of Tehran as it is non-uniform (only one area). So it is WP:synthesis and WP:OR to claim it represents a distribution of Tehran since it is about migrants to Tehran in a small called Ghorbat in a district of Khak-e-Seif. That can't be used to convey a general studies as the sample size is too small, non-uniform and represents a Mohajer-pazir area (70% born outside of Tehran where-as officially 67% of Tehran's residents are born in Tehran). See WP:synthesis and no where does the author claims it is representative of Tehrans population which is WP:OR. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 13:53, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Firstly please be honest in translating content of firt source and then not say that Pen-Kurd center is not a valid source, because it is created in 1990 and has had many international conferences all over world, Thanks Anticipatorr (talk) 14:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

The translation was honest, if you do not speak Persian, then that is not my fault. It is describing an area called Ghorbat in Khak-e-Sefid with recent migrants (70%) who were not born in the city. Feel free to use google translator. Furthermore, it is your own WP:synthesis to claim it is a representative of Tehran, when it is talking about one former Hashiyeh-neshin area!. As per Pen-Kurd center, hardly an academic source. Having political conferences and being a political website, with no academic (specifically sociology background and evidence to backup such a claim), then it does not meet WP:RS. The author's lack of academic qualification is shown by the poor English used in that website and lack of any studies (and complete guesswork). You need to show reliability by showing mainstream academics citing such a website, which they do not. Also it is self-praising source and you need external sources (academic ones) to validate it, one cannot use a website for validation of a website. See WP:RS--Khodabandeh14 (talk) 14:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Other sources

please refer here: http://www.cnnturk.com/2008/dunya/08/13/tahranda.turkce.konusarak.islerinizi.yapabilirsiniz/490276.0/index.html , has claimed that Tehran has a population about 12 million and half of its population is Azeri"(İran'ın başkenti Tahran'ın nüfusu 12 milyon. Bu 12 milyonun neredeyse yarısı Azeri)

And refer here: http://www.frmartuklu.net/ulke-kulturleri/27866-iran-zengin-ve-guzel-ulke.html, says that "of 3 person in Tehran city, one is azeri"(Tahran'da her üç kişiden birisi Azerice konuşuyor), According to Hurriyet magazine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anticipatorr (talk • contribs) 14:12, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

• The first reference is not an actual census but an opinion of a person in CNN Turk which hardly meets WP:RS due to lack of qualification. Talking to a Taxi driver in Azeri hardly is a valid method of making a hypothesis. See WP:RS.
• The second source is a forum news report and the reliability of person is not known.

The statistics in the article currently includes University Professor who have done research in the area:

• Mohammad Jalal Abbasi-Shavazi, Peter McDonald, Meimanat Hosseini-Chavoshi, "The Fertility Transition in Iran: Revolution and Reproduction", Springer, 2009. pp 100-101: "The first category is 'Central' where the majority of people are Persian speaking ethnic Fars (provinces of Fars, Hamedan, Isfahan, Markazi, Qazvin, Qom, Semnan, Yazd and Tehran..."
• [14] from a Professor of sociology in Tehran who has spent

two years on sampling various districts. Both of these meet WP:RS as they are specialized studies done by Professors of sociology, but the authors of your pieces, no one knows their academic credential and reliability. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 14:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

All studies you have claimed are Islamic Republic of Iran government related sources and are not reliable and neutral and attempt to neglect non Persian residents of Tehran Anticipatorr (talk) 14:42, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

They meet WP:RS as they are published by established academic sources. The first source is published by Springer. The Professor is well cited in google scholars in academic journals [15] and Peter Macdonald is American. The second source is sociology deparment of Tehran and the burden of proof is on you to show it is unreliable. You have to show sociology deparment of Tehran with this statistics is unreliable, and just because it is published in Iran, it does not make it unreliable since it is tied to an academic institution which publishes many peer reviewed journals and articles in international peer-reviewed journals. An actual statistics by sociology deparment of Tehran university meets WP:RS. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 15:00, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Note Sociology and Demography department of Tehran gets close to 5000 hits in google scholars in peer-reviewed publications, so it cannot be removed. However, the source can be attributed and one can say, According to Tehran University Sociology Department.. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 15:14, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I personally agree with anticipator, because only an article can not determine ethnic composition of such a great city, an article that its autors are government related and are not independent.Jimmycardiel (talk) 17:21, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I personally agree with anticipator217.218.44.38 (talk) 14:09, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Khodabandeh14's words are based on only one vague article that it's scientific reliability is questionable. We can not resolve such a problem with unilateral articles wrote in political issues and based on I.R.Iran government related sources. I lived 4 years in Iran, 3 years of it in Tehran as a foreign partner of a company, and I were witness that more than half of Tehran and its vicinity cities such as Karaj and Islamshahr speak Azeri. It is clear that statistics based on Khodabandeh14 proposed article and reflected in "Demographics section" is something similar to fake and is funny and must be corrected.88.70.94.22 (talk) 11:07, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

See this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=KiiicAtcVDM&NR=1 , Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi : 40 percent of the Iranian people speaking Turkic language, and thus we can say that Anticipator says the truth.

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In the introduction it states that "However it is suggested that 5 million should migrate out of the city." There is no source for this information and it seems like opinion. Ucimatty (talk) 12:35, 7 August 2011 (UTC)ucimatty

Agreed, and there's no context either. I'm removing it. 64.180.40.100 (talk) 00:21, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

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Tehran

Tehran, located in Iran, and since Iran is also in S Asia, I say Tehran is also a large city in S Asia. Did not delete anything, but User:اردیبهشت keeps changing. Why? Mtheory1 (talk) 20:29, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Iran is located in both Western & South Asia. So which part is Tehran located in? --Τασουλα (talk) 21:26, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Tehran is in central part, but amasses many peoples from all walks of Iran. This is what makes it such a special city, with the various Asian (Central, Southestern, SOuthern) cultures represented by the peoples of Iran. I don't care at all about "majorities," because the minorities count too. --Mtheory1 (talk) 05:51, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Persians & Azeris and Tehran

About 75% of Tehran is ethnically Persian. Get used to it, get over it.:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.31.195 (talk) 09:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

first of all, I think both Persians and Azeris should accept each other as their neighbor/friend/citizen/... and this should be the base of any helpful discussion. any other assumption will be nonsense and I think won't lead to an helpful discussion. As a foreign spectator (which may not completely foreign but I'll try to be unbiased here however I'm an Azeri...) and may not with in depth spectrum of the subject, I can say something that in 70% of the cases two parts doesn't pay attention to the fact that you/we should accept some facts which one of the very primitive is the existence of both ppl/culture/language in the region. and second the modern (or even post-modern) way of thinking among men. We're living in totally different era, (just take glance to Europe or North America as an example...) people usually couldn't reach a compromise over mostly dialectic and usually fallacious discussions and reasonings. and each just express his/her thoughts without any burnish or let to be polished by some criticism. isolate mono-logs with their one-sided and totally biased followers....

• the fact is usually the truth is something mix, many sided, and maybe always vague. don't expect any clear and deterministic resolution for such things. and won't believe any final solution or reason. let your mind open to changes

• our history, as the people of middle east, are much complicated and disputed than any other region. there is many reason and as previous fact, prone to controversy. but I believe if you look more precisely to the way of thinking/governing/communicate in the region you will find "the Pattern"!. look at our history!!!!! {Persians,Turks,Iran,...} there is more than 10 versions of them. you can not neither prove nor reject them totally {actually because it just use a part of a reality for its justifications}. I think this is not the matter of truth to choose one of your version as logical, desired, or any other thing; actually it's the way of your thinking/philosophy and actually your taste of politics which determine the historical version that would be desirable. being Religious, Nationalist, Liberal, Pro-West, Pro-Iran/Persian/Azeri/Armenian,..., or belonging to educated, bazaar, non-educated, villagers, reach, poor,... all are the actual (and usually psychological) roots of the way how one person arrange his/her justifications {don't be sure about reasons :D}.

• according the previous fact We (especially our intellectuales and historian} have not seat and talk about these things to make it more clear, yet. every group are just developing their ideas and if you pay more attention you can't find any long-term academic conversation about these subjects. this is not just about Persian/Azeri/Armenian/Kurd.... this is common in many other aspects of our life. I just seeing contentions. there is no talk {especially in the contemporary meaning}.

• the fact is that the Azeris should admit the Persians spirits of many cities of the central provinces of iran (such as Hamadan, Qazvin, Markazi, Qom) especially the Tehran. this shows the Persian majority of the city. and this is why many Azeris and others in the city speaks Persian. this is because they're naturally adopting themselves to the conditions {and Persians should be welcome to this}.

• another fact is Tehran fate, history, and reality is convolved with existence of their minorities especially the Azeris. many friend or citizen from this side should accept the reality that Azeri Turks are exist. and they can't draw wall or any other separation or barrier to this. there is many villages and towns around the region which had Azeri inhabitants and now they're part of the cities. I think we should accept the fact that Tehran has been place on or clearly close the demographic borders. fortunately Tehran has been well documented in the past and if you be fair, I'm sure you (both Azeris and Persians) will find the track of each other around.

• It's non-sense to "Just" judge the history based on the language. It's a very common fallacy that you just judge on part of the truth. As far as I read history of this region you have all beautiful ingredients of this mosaics. I don't want to talk about the exact borders which I don't know but to me it's very clear that this region {in the scale of Tehran region} you can find all these ingredients at least for 1000 year co-existance. "So there is long history of co-existence" . neither Azeri Turks nor Persians can deny this existence. btw, pay attention to more regional point of view, you must consider the neighboring demography of Azerbaijani provinces and Persian provinces. you can't think of Tehran as something demographically isolated from its neighbors. I think this has been missed in many claims. It's funny to me to isolate the region and actually provide some justification {usually due to racism}.

• another fact is "Past is Past", we have passed the age of tribal wars, and tribal identity {we're as a 3rd world nation may not :D}. I don't talk about Iran,... I just saying that we shouldn't see each other in "Tribal Point of View". I'm ok with controversy about different languages and identities in Iran, and I'm not advocating the central theory of defining iran. I don't talk about that, I just want to emphasize on humanity. and have more humanistic point of view when we talk to each other. " Past is Past" to me means whatever the history was we should pay attention to this fact that we're living in new era which give every human being (and actually living being) its principal rights which are, freedom and dignity. I just want to take your attention more to the other aspect of this co-existence. See European Union I mean that {at least in humanity point of view}. this is because "Past is Past". Nationalism, Racism, Tribalism, and any other form of Fascism (e.g ^_^)... will have a serious effect on our society. keep in mind that we can't take "Culture" from these. There is need to talk about this issues, but there is the necessity to understand that friendly talk is quiet possible. we just should pay more attention to ourself. Land isn't holy the holy things are people...we should take our focus to people, the ourselves.

We'll live together, we're becoming more and more closer. I hope to have more peaceful, friendlier and happier society then.Freedomist (talk) 00:40, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Tehran belongs to both Azeries and Persians and they must respect each other, and articles "Demographics" section has a biased view on problem and its references are not based on scientific research method and are mostly unreliable. And its clear that goal of authors of this section is magnifying percentage of Persian people and showing Azeries a little minority in this city. This section must be re-wrote and must be based on reality and not on other things.Jimmycardiel (talk) 17:42, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

very good statesments, thanks217.218.44.38 (talk) 14:09, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Freedomist very excellent ideas, please reflex this idea in encyclopedia article about tehran. thanks194.225.117.20 (talk) 11:13, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

good.130.75.241.73 (talk) 15:13, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Human Rights

I added a human rights section, cause I saw one in Dubai's page, and other arab and none-arab cities, so I thought.. why not? Iran is the biggest offenders to Sunni rights, (I've been to iran once, and never saw one single Sunni mosque there, we allow Shia to build mosques in Dubai and do as they please), so, I'll leave it to the Iranian to polish it, cause, it is their city after all, enjoy! =) (Rewayah, 2013/4/16) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.51.44.61 (talk) 09:19, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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Gallery Problem

 Resolved Rye-96 (talk) 12:41, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Missing a section on "Notable people" from Tehran section

I noticed a Notable people section is missing from the article, is anyone working on this?
If so, Sanaz Mazinani can be added to the list Jooojay (talk) 20:22, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Timeline of Tehran

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 16:49, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

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Classifications

Following a general review on the article, a number of sections are merged together. The scattered segmentation of these subjects violates the balance of the formative classification of the article.
There are three main subjects which all represent a subsection of geographic studies. Since the article includes a main section addressed to this topic, the sections of Climate, Location and subdivisions, and Capital relocation are added to the section of Geography.
Contents related to the air pollution, earthquakes, and capital relocation are merged into a single section. These issues are comprehensively discussed in the page of Environmental issues in Tehran.
The sections Architecture, Cuisine, Sports and Graffiti are added into the generalized section of Culture. This section has the potential to include more information in the field of culture and arts. The section of Shopping is also merged with the section of Economy.
Please note, these subjects are not removed, and remain as subsets in the generalized sections of the article.
To provide your criticism about the classifications, participate in this discussion.
—Rye-96 (talk) 18:12, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Sister cities

I suppressed Dubai, which is not in the list of sister cities in the official website of Tehran's municipality: [16]. Sapphorain (talk) 12:47, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

I also suppressed 8 other cities, which are not either on that official list. Also, the dates were all wrong, I corrected them. Finally, 14 cities are on the official list but not yet on the article. I'll leave that to someone else… Sapphorain (talk) 07:53, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Largest or 2nd largest?

The page states Tehran is the 2nd largest city in Western Asia. Baghdad's page states the same about Baghdad and mentions Tehran as the largest. Tehran is bigger than Baghdad by over 200 km2. Shouldn't that be fixed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.254.62.137 (talk) 11:22, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Tehran's Montage

Dear Alborzagros,
The images that you have taken into consideration contain obvious visual defects and cannot be used in this section.
They are outsize, irregular, and certainly unimportant, and are lacking the expected standards.
Please provide your criticism with valid explanations, and avoid repeating the edition.
Thank you for your cooperation.
–Rye-96 (talk) 11:56, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

I recently offered gallery-box below in which there are more significant and famous cites rather previous one.

File:Ferdosi Square.JPG

Clockwise from top:

Tehran panorama (Milad Tower in right) , Grand Bazaar,
Ahmad Shahi Pavilion, maim gate of Tehran university,

Azadi Tower in lighting, Ferdowsi statues.

@Rye-96:

but some people undid my contribution. please answer why it is happening. Alborzagros (talk) 11:59, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

@Alborzagros: The considered images include a panorama in which we have a quite superficial and non-systematic view of the city, a view of a statue belonging to a poet who is fundamentally native and related to another region of the country, an image of a narrow corridor within the old market of the city which doesn't offer a leading notation, a view of a pavilion in Niavaran Complex which has replaced the image of Shams ol Emareh of the Golestan Palace (the seat of Qajar Dynasty, which is obviously more important in terms of architecture and locality), and a view of the entrance of Tehran University which, despite having the fame, is not a main site and does not have a considerability in the fields of location and architecture.

In the current montage, we have views of both modern and historical sites with important positions in economic and historic perspectives, views of the Azadi and Milad towers which are the two well-known symbols of the city, and a consideration to road and environmental views. These images are quite fit and regular in terms of size and visual quality, and are enough as a leading descriptive view of the city.
–Rye-96 (talk) 17:36, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

@Rye-96: thanks for answer. Alborzagros (talk) 06:37, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Photo montage

The current photo montage of Tehran contains images of two main symbols of the city, along with images of two historical structures, a famed public park, and a skyline of northern highrises of the city.
The image North Tehran Towers.jpg, which was added on 7 September 2015 and removed on 9 September 2015‎, was replacing the image which shows one of the main symbols of the city, and was providing another view of a region which is already shown in the montage. It was also contrary to the description.
Please consider to discuss about your criticism before editing, in order to prevent technical errors and edit wars. Thank you for your cooperation.
–Rye-96 (talk) 10:45, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

It's your taste not a public opinion that you refer me to here! I think the picture you added is not clear and it shows Tehran's night which the photo that I added, has a better quality and shows Tehran skyline better. GTVM92 (talk) 05:58, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

You have provided a quiet personalized edition, containing several obvious and disputable errors, dear GTVM92. The issued replacing images are contrary to the offered description, the article's main subject, and a valid visual order; due to the use of an image showing a monument outside the capital, two outsized panoramic views, and a resized image viewing an unremarkable neighborhood.
The montage will be reverted to the previous version. Avoid repeating the edition, and provide your criticism with a sensible explanation.
–Rye-96 (talk) 10:05, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't replace the image which any symbol! I just add better images to the article without removing any picture of symbols!! It's just a personal ideas not as you said edit war!! It's not defect any Wikipedia laws!! GTVM92 (talk) 13:57, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Montage issues

Dear user, the panoramic view of Tehran from Qeytariyeh.jpg represents a view of the district of Qeytarie in 2010, when some of the buildings shown on the image were still under construction. Aside from the lack of significance, this image does not represent a proper portrayal in this section. Instead, it can be a reasonable view alongside the paragraph of high rise developments in the section of Architecture.
The extreme long shot of North Tehran Towers.jpg, which includes a vast unseasonable empty space, is also a wrong choice for the section of montage.
Please avoid I just like it arguments, and prevent edit warring.
Rye-96 (talk) 18:16, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Which building is under construction in the picture?! Please show me! I think the image is more newest than File:Golestan Palace, Tehran, Iran (1249288212).jpg. GTVM92 (talk) 14:02, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

The famous Pars Tower; take a look at the left side of the image.
That's a historic building. Nobody's allowed to alter its structure.
Stop vandalizing the article. You think you are helping, but you're wrong.
Rye-96 (talk) 19:10, 24 April 2016 (UTC)