Talk:Super Mario (disambiguation)

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Secret Maryo Chronicles Clarification

I changed "Mario" to "Mario-like" in the Secret Maryo Chronicles entry to help clarify that SMC is not part of the Mario series and not a product of Nintendo, but I think it should be further clarified somehow. --Topsfield99 (talk) 15:20, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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Super Mario (disambiguation) → Super Mario

OR

Super Mario (series) → Super Mario

Right now, Super Mario without brackets redirects to Super Mario (series), which is wrong. An alternative suggestion could be to move "Super Mario (series)" to "Super Mario". Unreal7 (talk) 00:55, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've long said Super Mario should redirect to Super Mario (disambiguation), or the other way around. It can refer to the series, the character, the franchise or a plethora of individual games. Salvidrim! 01:00, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirected Super Mario to Super Mario (disambiguation) - I have no idea why this wasn't in place already. Nice catch! --Nathan2055^{talk - contribs} 19:02, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Question

It doesn't make any sense for something without brackets to redirect to something with brackets, unless it's like part of a song title or something (for example "Everything I Do"). In this case "Super Mario" redirects to "Super Mario (disambiguation)". My original point in the discussion above was that if the video game series was the primary topic, then it shouldn't have brackets. Otherwise the disambiguation page should be just "Super Mario", not "Super Mario" (disambiguation). Unreal7 (talk) 23:38, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

From our editing guideline on naming conventions for Disambiguation pages:

The title of a disambiguation page is the ambiguous term itself, provided there is no primary topic for that term. If there is a primary topic, then the tag "(disambiguation)" is added to the name of the disambiguation page, as in Jupiter (disambiguation).

There is no clear primary topic for Super Mario (which series, which game(s), the character?), thus the disambiguation page should be titled Super Mario and Super Mario (disambiguation) should redirect there. Salvidrim! 00:05, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What your saying is that we should move this page over the current redirect at Super Mario? --Nathan2055^{talk - contribs} 00:17, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The disambiguation page should be at Super Mario. Super Mario (disambiguation) should redirect there. Salvidrim! 00:19, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that's pretty much it. Unreal7 (talk)

No objections? Great. Unreal7 (talk) 01:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It seems this has no objections, so I'm going to go ahead and move it. --Nathan2055^{talk - contribs} 16:13, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done - Another user finished the process for me, the disambig is now located in the right place. --Nathan2055^{talk - contribs} 16:46, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: moved. There was clear consensus to move this page to a disambiguation page, but less so about what to do with the "Super Mario" - the choices being to redirect it to Mario or move Super Mario (series) to it. Opinions were split equally on which was the best alternative, but I think czar had a good point about whether Mario was ever referred to as Super Mario - no evidence was provided to the contrary, so as part of the closure, I'll be bold and move Super Mario (series) here, but won't object to any move back. However, there should probably be an RFC on what to do with the Super Mario space if that isn't agreed to be the best solution. Number 5 7 11:29, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Super Mario → Super Mario (disambiguation) – I believe that the primary topic for the term "Super Mario" is Mario, the character from the video game series; the term "Super Mario" was highly recognized to represent the character as a name back during the character's creation in the 1980s. No other subject, even games that have included the Mario character, have not seemed to even come close to the level of notability/connection the synonymous connection between "Super Mario" and the Mario character. In addition, the fact that all games in the Super Mario (series) feature the eponymous character essentially puts the character as the primary topic by default. For this reasoning, I believe that this page should move to Super Mario (disambiguation) so that the "Super Mario" title can become a redirect towards Mario. Steel1943 (talk) 19:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support the move, but Super Mario should redirect to Super Mario (series), and the hatnote should be adapted to:

"Super Mario" redirects here. For the video game character, see Mario. For other video games and media featuring the character Mario, see Mario (franchise). For other uses of "Super Mario", see Super Mario (disambiguation).

~~I think it is more intuitive for readers this way. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 20:05, 4 September 2014 (UTC)~~[reply]

I realized I'm basically arguing with 2012!Salvidrim in the two sections above and I feel stupid. I'll take time to reconsider if I was wrong then or wrong now. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 20:00, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support moving this disambiguation page away so that the character can be at this title, which could also help resolve the issue of the fictional character's dubious long-term significance compared to the common Italian name. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:38, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Joy: As I had sort of stated in the related discussion on Talk:Mario, I'd rather the term "Super Mario" be a redirect to the character article, not move the character article to "Super Mario". The character has established a name in recent years without the "Super" adjective, and really is probably better known without the "Super" adjective. Steel1943 (talk) 22:59, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I do agree that the term "Super Mario" should refer to a primary topic, and not be a disambiguation page (either the character or the series). But, as I stated above, I believe it should be he character, and as a redirect to the character article. Steel1943 (talk) 01:28, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Red Slash 20:35, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support but if you're going to move the disambiguation page then it makes sense to just move Super Mario (series) to Super Mario. That would be my first choice. Redirecting Super Mario to Super Mario (series) would be the second choice. - WPGA2345 - ☛ 06:54, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@WPGA2345: My proposal in this nomination declares that the term "Super Mario", as a primary topic, refers to the character described in Mario, rather than the series described in Super Mario (series). So, just to clarify, you are stating that Super Mario (series) should be declared the primary topic over the character topic in Mario? Steel1943 (talk) 16:34, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The character would be my second choice. - WPGA2345 - ☛ 02:31, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Partial support for the Super Mario → Super Mario (disambiguation) part but not the nominator's rationale. Any search for "Super Mario" refers to the game series (the primary topic) and not to the individual character. Is there any documentation that refers to the character as "Super Mario"? Until then, if anything, move Super Mario (series) → Super Mario. czar ♔ 14:46, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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