Talk:Soulcalibur II

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Hong Yun Sung

In order to prevent an edit war over Hong Yun Sung's name, I have decided to explain the situation to those unfamiliar with why it is written in this way. In Asian names, the family name is one syllable and comes at the beginning of the name. Thus, his surname is actually Hong. In Korea, his given name, or the name by which he is called, is more often than not two syllables--in this case, Yunsung. However, it is only listed as a single word when referring exclusively to his given name, because when referring to his full name, each syllable is written as a separate word when romanized. This is done to match the fact that Korean names are generally written using three characters--one for each syllable. Soul Calibur II was originally coded such that his name was actually written properly as Hong Yun Sung, but the English translators remembered the previous incident with Seung Mi Na and eventually changed most instances of "Hong Yun Sung" in Soul Calibur II to prevent confusion, mostly among Americans. However, you can still see a trace of its original state in the credits to Weapon Master Mode. It is asked that when you see his full name written as Hong Yun Sung, you leave it as such; and if you ever see it combined to simply Hong Yunsung, that you restore it to its original state. Only if his given name is written on its own will he be referred to as Yunsung, as it should be. Thank you for your cooperation.

In reference to character's changed names in Soul Calibur III

• The names on this page have to be the originally used names (linked to the newly named articles). No-one changed all Prince's previous album covers to feature his symbol instead of his name, and the end credits to Terminal Velocity were not changed when Charlie Sheen wanted to go by the name Charles Sheen. This article isn't anything to do with Soul Calibur III and all information should pertain to the 2002 game; SoulCalibur II. People will find out more information about Seung Mina and how her name changed when they click the blue link that takes them to her page. 86.128.57.200 19:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Story line?

There should be one 172.212.3.5 19:23, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Sales data

I have added the following information to this article as well as to Wikipedia's Link article:

"The GameCube version of Soul Calibur II was more popular than its PlayStation 2 and Xbox counterparts (copies sold through December 2003: 500,685 vs. 447,138 and 320,991 respectively); many attribte this to Link’s inclusion as a GameCube-exclusive character. (source: NPD, see http://cube.ign.com/articles/475/475106p1.html)"

Please feel free to reformat the source citation to make it Wikipedia-friendly. -R

Complaints

Someone forgot to mention that beginners or "noobs" can beat experienced easily through a random frenzy of button pressing, which was one of the drawbacks of this game...

Just needa few more people to agree...

did anyone else have such a problem?

Kashcubed 19:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Sadly i have seen this problem. I play for 3 weeks and over 4 hours a day, sit down to play my dad and he wins with straight perfects... I was more then a little annoyed. WillSWC 22:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

If you're getting beaten by "noobs" pressing random buttons, then you're a "noob" yourself. Just because you've memorized a lot of moves doesn't mean that you're automatically good. The big flashy moves will rarely hit if you're playing someone who knows how to defend themself. Anyone getting beaten by someone just starting to play needs to practice blocking, guard impacts, and dodging. Pacmanfx 05:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Character Analysis

I have posted a comment in the discussion page of Soul Calibur III, please read this and post your thoughts: LINK Mr.bonus 13:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Character Article Names

I have just moved all Soul Edge/Calibur character's articles to use the most commonly used name as the article title. After being part of a debate over Street Fighter character article names for over a month, the decision was in agreement of my proposal to use the most common name as the article title and not their full biographical name (this information belongs in the first sentence of the article itself). Please do not move the articles back as this was decided as the correct method for article names. Please see Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-12-21_Street_Fighter_character_articles and Talk:E. Honda for the resaoning. Thanks Mr.bonus 22:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Naming

per here I have renamed it to Soulcalibur II... no more cut and paste moves though. Discuss any further moves here. Sasquatch t|c 02:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you guys try looking in the trademark database. No trademarks under Soul Calibur can be found, only Soulcalibur. Here's my source: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=dmp53j.1.1 Type Soulcalibur and you will see a few trademarked names and when you type Soul Calibur you get nothing. Clamticore 16:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Plus there was a cut and paste move (two birds, one stone). (I'm assuming "you guys" didn't apply to me here... might want to be a bit more specific next time). Sasquatch t|c 04:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

"This search session has expired. Please start a search session again by clicking on the TRADEMARK icon, if you wish to continue."

See below for the rest (official website, google search). --HanzoHattori 17:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

This game is not called "Soulcalibur" (please read)

The very first hit "Soulcalibur" is for for www.soulcalibur.com/ page named "Soul Calibur 2 - Home" (it's Namco's official, right?). It continues with "Soul Calibur" inside, too.[1] I don't think there's single "Soulcalibur" relating to this game in the entire website.

Also, Google(!) wrote me "Did you mean: "soul calibur II" after I asked for the (nonexsitsing) "soulcalibur II" - go figure. Meaning even google says it's wrong.

The game was always named "Soul Calibur". Don't go the Orwellian memory hole just because they decided otherwise since the third one (but didn't even change their website regarding the older ones!), and you noticed only recently.

Fix this and the links. --HanzoHattori 17:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and the google search for Soulcalibur II returns only 85k hits (compared with 312k for "soulcalibur II" and 414k for "soul calibur 2" - the name is both official and popular.) Only 38k for "soulcalibur 2", if you ask. --HanzoHattori 17:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

HELLO. --HanzoHattori 08:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Soul Caliber 2 should redirect to this article. --Genosoa 01:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:SC2Talim33A.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Merging Necrid

This article obviously needs a lot of work, so anything that can be added to it can help. As Necrid only appeared in this one game, he really doesn't hold any weight outside of it. The development information on him can be placed with anything on the console exclusive guest characters. It would work especially well if placed after anything discussing Spawn seeing as the two are connected by their creator. The first paragraph in "Promotion and merchandising" can just be removed, while the part about the figurine can be integrated into a section talking about all five developed for this game. Two praises and two criticisms would probably be enough to take from the reception section. The rest of the article can be condensed and placed over on the character list. TTN (talk) 16:08, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Um, TTN? It just passed A-class nomination...--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

And? I really doubt whoever looked over it bothered to judge the article by its weight. If it was someone who doesn't edit video game articles, it would be impossible for them to do so. TTN (talk) 16:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Just as a quick comparison, you could do pretty much the same thing with any major film character. They always have plenty of development information and there is often twenty times more reception available. The reason that they aren't split is because they don't carry any weight outside of the film. TTN (talk) 16:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

That's not true at all. Most of the characters related to this series have next to no feedback for them in published material. You're effectively doing the opposite of that Le Grand Curoix (sp) fellow: "It only appeared in one title, axe it, can't be important". How should that argument fly when "It should have an article if it appeared in more than one game" did?" And I made sure when writing this that WP:N, WP:V and the sources were reliable and supported by other third party material. This is too much, even for you.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

What is that directed towards? My comment was about film characters, not the characters of this series. TTN (talk) 16:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Mine is in general. Since when does a character need more than one appearance in any medium to meet notability?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:32, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

This is not about notability. It is about weight. The character's information fits nicely into the article and it does not actually extend from it at all (WP:UNDUE). If it were to not actually fit within the article, that may be a reason to split, but it doesn't as it stands. TTN (talk) 16:36, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't think TTN should have any involvement in this discussion. - A Link to the Past (talk) 16:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. The character has established notability, and Kung Fu Man has done a good job in gathering real-world content for the article. BTW, it's GA/A Class article, which means the article is of good quality, and a merger is, IMO, completely of out of place. The Prince (talk) 21:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

The reception section is made up entirely of comments related to the character being exclusive to a the console versions of the game. That is not notability. It is just undue weight slapped down onto a page instead of being organized correctly. Many of those sources themselves are pretty "meh" also, which really doesn't help things. TTN (talk) 21:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose I see no benefit in quarreling about the merger of decent articles when wikipedia still has to deal with dozens of thousands of extremely crappy and often unimprovable fiction articles that desperately need expert attention. – sgeureka ^t•c 23:32, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

  I'm mainly targeting articles like that currently, but I definitively would like to get this settled. This article is drastically in need of help, and as Necrid's information is only based from the context of this game, it should be merged here. If in some weird turn of events should the article become bloated, it can always be split again. TTN (talk) 23:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose - If the argument is "There is just not that much interesting about SCII", then I can see how a merger might make sense (though I think some copy-editing and some hard Googling would take care of that). But if the argument is that an article on a character with significant notability (yes, based on one appearance) is giving him WP:UNDUE weight, that is silly. Please read WP:UNDUE. It specifically says that instead of giving undue weight to topics in an article, they "can receive attention on pages specifically devoted to them". So putting sections on Necrid in the SCII article would be giving him undue weight. Per WP:UNDUE, a brief mention and a separate article seem that way to go. It would make more sense to merge SCII into a section of the Necrid article, if it's really in such a bad state. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 08:01, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose - I agree that Necrid looks like it needs help due to undue weight WP:UNDUE, but that is not a decent reason for a merger. The article is extremely well written - and if you ask me, there are hundreds of other articles on Wikipedia that you should attempt to fix - not try and merge a perfectly decent article. Anyway, I am a frequent VG GAN reviewer, and when I attempted to find comments in which needed fixing, I found no major issues that prevented it from achieving A-class. Deeper studying might reveal multiple errors with the article - but might I reiterate that it is a very good article; and I also must say that the nominator has not given a satisfactory reason, at least IMO, to merge. "It needs a lot of work" isn't a good basis for merging.--haha169 (talk) 05:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

  To be fair, this (Soulcalibur II) is one of those articles that needs fixing. TTN is not claiming that Necrid isn't a good article, or that it even needs work. TTN is saying that Soulcalibur II is not a decent article, and that it could benefit from a merger of the notable information in the Necrid article. And I don't mean to be rude, but to say "there are hundreds of other articles on Wikipedia that you should attempt to fix" (like User:Sgeureka's comment above) is silly and offensive. Is this what you tell editors of GANs? Every article, even "decent" ones, should be improved. There is no reason to chastise TTN for a good-faith attempt to improve intrinsically-related topics by forming one comprehensive article. My opposition is not because I think it's a bad idea (because I don't), or because "decent" articles shouldn't be merged with parent articles when they would form a stronger, more-comprehensive article (because they should). My opposition is that I feel that there would be enough information about SCII without Necrid to make a very well-fleshed-out article, so a merger would not be necessary. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 05:59, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Soulcalibur II HD Online features:

Can I play as Spawn in Soulcalibur II HD Online, please? --124.183.173.223 (talk) 21:49, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Voice cast

It can be found in the ending credits in-game. Does not include the English voice cast from the Xbox version, as it is already on Behind The Voice Actors. Homechallenge55 (talk) 19:33, 31 March 2017 (UTC)