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Greatly pruned down

I have been removing lots of recently added text[1] because of violations of WP:No original research and WP:WEIGHT.

For starters, the image File:Scene kids2.jpg was being used to illustrate the topic even though the image has not been discussed as definitive of scene kids by any of our sources.

Second, sources were being used to connect the topic with something else, for instance this source was used to say that China's shamate subculture is part of the topic of "scene". Note that the word scene does not appear anywhere in the source, making this bit a violation of "no original research". Same problem with this source and this one which were used to connect Chile's Pokemones subculture with scene kids from other countries, but the sources don't make the connection.

Third, a bunch of the sources are unreliable or borderline. This source has no author, comes from a website that readers can edit, and cannot be considered reliable.

Certainly, the article can be improved and expanded, but the recent work is extremely problematic, and should not be restored. Binksternet (talk) 21:58, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

The "reliable" sources in the new edit aren't much better. Citations 15 to 39 don't mention anything about the subculture, just the position on the charts of a band that may or may not be scene. The Chinese and South American subcultures have a similar androgynous look to scene kids and their members have similar music tastes, but the original edit never claimed they were identical. The British rocker subculture, Swedish raggare and American greaser subculture looked similar to each other and had similar music tastes during the 50s and 60s, but they regarded as distinct regional subcultures rather than part of the same one. 53zodiac (talk) 09:33, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

You're absolutely right about the sources which talk about band chart history without any mention of the scene context. I removed all of those, which was a lot.

My earlier points are still valid, that too much synthesis and original research have been brought to this article. Binksternet (talk) 10:11, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

I have restored a few of the better quality sources, and added a sentence describing the similarities between scene kids and alternative subcultures in Asia and Latin America. If more sources can be found, they can be used to expand this paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 53zodiac (talk • contribs) 19:43, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Please do not remove this paragraph again without first discussing it on the talkpage. These are similar subcultures but with different names and some regional variation, just as a raggare was a Swedish greaser or a Ned was a Scottish chav. You don't see sources written for a UK audience that describe local subcultures by their foreign names because there is no need to.

• Similar subcultures to the scenester emerged in Asia and Latin America at the same time. These were known as Coloridos in Brazil, Pokemon in Chile, Floggers in Argentina, and Shamate in China. Like their British and American counterparts, these teenagers had a common interest in pop punk, EDM, crunkcore and indie pop, and wore similar brightly colored clothes and androgynous hair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 53zodiac (talk • contribs) 11:18, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

References

“List of scene bands”

Would an article detailing bands related to the scene subculture be a bad thing? I know it isn’t a genre but the list of bands has become so long I think it would be best to move them elsewhere or give them their own section on the page. Dekai Averett (talk) 16:42, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Try List of pop-punk bands, list of indie rock bands, and list of emo pop bands 53zodiac (talk) 19:30, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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