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Badly skewed

This entire piece is skewed towards an absurd level of recentism and British subcultural myopia. It's completely missing the fact that "the scene" and "scene kids/people/girls/guys/etc." are a usage going back to at least the early 1990s in reference to the combined punk/gothic/industrial-rivethead/alternative scene of North America and yes Europe, etc. (usually called "the goth/industrial scene" or just "the scene" for short in North Am. Enlgish), which emo subculture stylistically developed from, leading in turn to this scene (subculture) strain. It's like writing a "history" of humans in the New World and starting with the Vikings. Go to any long-running "people in black" club like Death Guild, Bar Sinister in Los Angeles, or Slimelight and you'll see that the scene is a continuous, unbroken subculture derived from the post-punk (including gothic and death rock), new wave and hardcore [punk!] of the 1980s and simply mutating over time and absorbing additional influences (e.g. EBM/industrial, and now a lot of post-2000 electronica and indie). Any place like that is chock full of "eldergoths" rubbing shoulders with barely-legal scene kids, and the soundtrack bounces wildly from Joy Division, Siouxsie, and The Cure, through Skinny Puppy, Clan of Xymox, and VNV Nation, to a wide range of modern alt music (and the overall subcultural styles surrounding it), including aggrotech/hellektro, darker dubstep and industro-dubstep (cf. Front Line Assembly's lasest two albums), and metalcore (e.g. Hollywood Undead), plus lots of moody, revivalist post-punk/power-pop/garage-rock material like Cold Cave, She Wants Revenge and The Hives, all of which is itself also indie post-goth, post-pop-punk, post-rivet and post-emo. Someone with a stockpile of not exclusively British music and subculture magazines and such to use as sources (start with Industrial Nation and Propaganda and work forward?) needs to majorly rewrite this article, which right now is pretty much just a farcically ignorant "UK hipsters in the early 2000s invented everything" puff-piece.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  20:12, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

My friend, there has always been a music "scene," but before the 1990s the so-called "scene kids" did not see themselves as a separate subculture. These babybats called themselves punks or goths, but older members of the community called them scene kids as a putdown (similar to poser). In the UK, Queen is not a flattering word: it is a very derogatory way of referring to a prostitute or an effeminate gay man. The older punks thought the young posers were acting like whores by dressing "alternative" in the hope of getting laid. Osama57 (talk) 13:29, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Removed tons of WP:FICTREFs the article is still in a horrible state of WP:GAME, especially the history section.
    Personally, as a huge scene-kid myself (when i was young) I've never heard of scene having it's own fixed music, it's always been a combination of things as SMcCandlish said. NinuKinuski (talk) 03:38, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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"Chavmos" and "chemos" in UK?

Are these terms (listed in the article) really legit? I can see they are supposed to be a blend of chav and emo, but there seems to be little on the Web apart from an Encyclopedia Dramatica article. Equinox ◑ 18:09, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

I have a similar problem determining whether scene and scene kid are derived through the term scene queen, it's way too ambiguous to claim such without concrete proof. For now I've removed the corresponding text in grounds of WP:NOR as the references didn't really contain any substantial information. NinuKinuski (talk) 21:59, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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