Talk:Padmanabh Singh

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HIS HIGHNESS MAHARAJA SAWAI PADMANABH SINGH OF JAIPUR

His Highness Maharaja Sawai Padmanabh Singh of Jaipur, the eldest son of Princess Diya Kumari of Jaipur and Maharaj Narendra Singh was born in New Delhi on 2 July 1998.

He was adopted by their Highnesses the Maharaja and Maharani Sahiba of Jaipur on 22nd November 2002 as their heir. After the demise of Maharaja Brig. SawaiBhawani Singh Ji on 17 April 2011, his coronation as the Maharaja of Jaipur (303rd in line of Royal Family descendency) was held on 28 April 2011 at the City Palace, Jaipur.

Playing polo has been a tradition of the members of the Royal Family of Jaipur for centuries. In modern times, Jaipur has become synonymous with polo, owing to this rich tradition. Padmanabh’s great-grandfather Maharaja Sawai Man Singh II of Jaipur (1912-1970) was a nine-goal player, and under his captaincy the famous Royal Jaipur Team established a unique and an unbeaten record till date, by winning all the open tournaments in the United Kingdom and the Indian Championship successively from the year 1930 to 1938. He also led the Indian Polo Team that won the World Championship in Deauville, France in 1957.

His grandfather Maharaja Sawai Bhawani Singh, himself a great Polo player and an international promoter of the game, was the founder member and ambassador of the Federation of International Polo (FIP). He also donated the World Cup Trophy, known as the FIP Jaipur World Cup Trophy. Padmanabh's father, Maharaj Narendra Singh is also an ambassador representing India to the FIP and leads many initiatives in India and abroad.

Padmanabh’s initial schooling was in Jaipur and thereafter he shifted to Mayo College, Ajmer, an elite school of India. Encouraged by the centuries old traditions of the Royal family of Jaipur he took up the sport of polo and riding during his tenure in Mayo College. He won numerous medals and trophies and was also the captain of the school team. In 2014 he left Mayo College to join Millfield School in England where apart from excelling in academics, he pursued the sport of polo successfully. At Millfield he was the captain of the polo team. Under his captaincy their team came second in the UK Schools National Championship for two years running.

Padmanabh, affectionately known as “Pacho” to his family and friends, ventured into professional equestrian events by participating in the Delhi Horse Show and won many awards in equestrian activities including winning the Junior Indian Polo Championship. He regularly plays polo in tournaments in Delhi, Jaipur and in Jodhpur where he won the trophy as the most valuable player for 2 years in a row. He also plays internationally, participating in many polo matches in Germany, the UK, Argentina, Abu Dhabi, USA and Thailand. He was declared the most valuable player in the British Polo Day tournaments in Jodhpur and Abu Dhabi. He has been playing in the Professional Circuit in the UK since 2015 and has been promoted to a handicap of 2 Goals. He has also been fielding the Jaipur Polo Team in tournaments up to the level of 15 goals across the UK.

Keeping their historic association with the Jaipur Royal Family alive, the Guards Polo Club has recently inducted the young Maharaja as a member of the elite club, where he played with the Guards Polo Team throughout the 2016 polo season. The same year he was invited by Cirencester Polo Club invited him to play a charity polo match with HRH Prince William, the Duke of Cambridge.

In 2016 he took the Jaipur Polo Team to the USA, renewing the old polo ties between the US and Jaipur, playing in both New York and in Santa Barbara, and winning three out of the four games that they played. Furthermore, at the end of the 2015-2016 UK Polo season he was awarded the most improved player by the Chairman of the Guards Polo Club at their Annual Award Ceremony.

Padmanabh now plays at the highest level of polo in Asia, and participated in the annual Jodhpur, Jaipur, Delhi and Mumbai polo season this year. He is the youngest player ever to win the Indian Open Championship.

In 2017 he was selected as a member of the Indian National Polo Team, one of the youngest players in history. He was also selected as a member of the Indian National Polo Team for the Polo World Cup of 2017.

He was the Goodwill Ambassador of the Jaipur Marathon in which over 60,000 runners from around the world took part on 5 February this year.

In addition to his passion for polo, Maharaja Sawai Padmanabh Singh feels hugely privileged to be descended from a long line of rulers of Jaipur; while we now live in a democratic age, preserving the rich cultural and architectural heritage of Jaipur places a great burden of responsibility on him and his family, which he embraces as a stimulating and most worthy challenge. He is dedicated to playing a responsible role in ensuring a more sustainable future, equitable social and economic development, lifting the underprivileged out of poverty, ensuring quality education for all, empowering women, and protecting and preserving our environment, alongside the conservation of our cultural, artistic, and architectural patrimony. <city palace>Rijusikri (talk) 06:50, 29 July 2017 (UTC)Riju

Read the notice at the top of your post. Your proposal is unsourced, very badly phrased and clearly a vanity project. We do not pander to the vanity of these so-called "maharajahs", who actually lost their titles decades ago. He does appear to have done some things worthy of note in the sphere of polo but without sources and a massive reduction in the puffed-up phrasing, even those bits can't go it. - Sitush (talk) 06:58, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

You could use sources such as this but not with the ""HH Maharahja" title because that is rubbish - the title was abolished many decades ago and we do not pander to the vanity of anyone here. - Sitush (talk) 06:39, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Request for Edit

HIS HIGHNESS MAHARAJA SAWAI PADMANABH SINGH OF JAIPUR

His Highness Maharaja Sawai Padmanabh Singh of Jaipur, the eldest son of Princess DiyaKumari of Jaipur and MaharajNarendra Singh was born in New Delhi on 2 July 1998.

He was adopted by their Highnesses the Maharaja and Maharani Sahiba of Jaipur on 22nd November 2002 as their heir. After the demise of Maharaja Brig. SawaiBhawani Singh Ji on 17 April 2011, his coronation as the Maharaja of Jaipur (303rd in line of Royal Family descendency) was held on 28 April 2011 at the City Palace, Jaipur.

Playing polo has been a tradition of the members of the Royal Family of Jaipur for centuries. In modern times, Jaipur has become synonymous with polo, owing to this rich tradition. Padmanabh’s great-grandfather Maharaja Sawai Man Singh II of Jaipur (1912-1970) was a nine-goal player, and under his captaincy the famous Royal Jaipur Team established a unique and an unbeaten record till date, by winning all the open tournaments in the United Kingdom and the Indian Championship successively from the year 1930 to 1938. He also led the Indian Polo Team that won the World Championship in Deauville, France in 1957.

His grandfather Maharaja Sawai Bhawani Singh, himself a great Polo player and an international promoter of the game, was the founder member and ambassador of the Federation of International Polo (FIP). He also donated the World Cup Trophy, known as the FIP Jaipur World Cup Trophy. Padmanabh's father, Maharaj Narendra Singh is also an ambassador representing India to the FIP and leads many initiatives in India and abroad.

Padmanabh’s initial schooling was in Jaipur and thereafter he shifted to Mayo College, Ajmer, an elite school of India. Encouraged by the centuries old traditions of the Royal family of Jaipur he took up the sport of polo and riding during his tenure in Mayo College. He won numerous medals and trophies and was also the captain of the school team. In 2014 he left Mayo College to join Millfield School in England where apart from excelling in academics, he pursued the sport of polo successfully. At Millfield he was the captain of the polo team. Under his captaincy their team came second in the UK Schools National Championship for two years running.

Padmanabh, affectionately known as “Pacho” to his family and friends, ventured into professional equestrian events by participating in the Delhi Horse Show and won many awards in equestrian activities including winning the Junior Indian Polo Championship. He regularly plays polo in tournaments in Delhi, Jaipur and in Jodhpur where he won the trophy as the most valuable player for 2 years in a row. He also plays internationally, participating in many polo matches in Germany, the UK, Argentina, Abu Dhabi, USA and Thailand. He was declared the most valuable player in the British Polo Day tournaments in Jodhpur and Abu Dhabi. He has been playing in the Professional Circuit in the UK since 2015 and has been promoted to a handicap of 2 Goals. He has also been fielding the Jaipur Polo Team in tournaments up to the level of 15 goals across the UK.

Keeping their historic association with the Jaipur Royal Family alive, the Guards Polo Club has recently inducted the young Maharaja as a member of the elite club, where he played with the Guards Polo Team throughout the 2016 polo season. The same year he was invited by Cirencester Polo Club invited him to play a charity polo match with HRH Prince William, the Duke of Cambridge.

In 2016 he took the Jaipur Polo Team to the USA, renewing the old polo ties between the US and Jaipur, playing in both New York and in Santa Barbara, and winning three out of the four games that they played. Furthermore, at the end of the 2015-2016 UK Polo season he was awarded the most improved player by the Chairman of the Guards Polo Club at their Annual Award Ceremony.

Padmanabh now plays at the highest level of polo in Asia, and participated in the annual Jodhpur, Jaipur, Delhi and Mumbai polo season this year. He is the youngest player ever to win the Indian Open Championship.

In 2017 he was selected as a member of the Indian National Polo Team, one of the youngest players in history. He was also selected as a member of the Indian National Polo Team for the Polo World Cup of 2017.

He was the Goodwill Ambassador of the Jaipur Marathon in which over 60,000 runners from around the world took part on 5 February this year.

In addition to his passion for polo, Maharaja Sawai Padmanabh Singh feels hugely privileged to be descended from a long line of rulers of Jaipur; while we now live in a democratic age, preserving the rich cultural and architectural heritage of Jaipur places a great burden of responsibility on him and his family, which he embraces as a stimulating and most worthy challenge. He is dedicated to playing a responsible role in ensuring a more sustainable future, equitable social and economic development, lifting the underprivileged out of poverty, ensuring quality education for all, empowering women, and protecting and preserving our environment, alongside the conservation of our cultural, artistic, and architectural patrimony.

Here are the few sources for your reference: https://www.outlookbusiness.com/specials/where-the-rich-are-investing_2016/the-polo-prince-3148 http://www.cityofjaipur.com/news/2016/08/11/jaipur-s-padmanabh-singh-speaks-about-his-life-as-a-royal/ http://www.vogue.in/content/jaipur-has-a-new-king/#hh-rajmata-padmini-devi-of-jaipur-with-hh-maharaja-sawai-padmanabh-singh-of-jaipur-hh-maharaja-lakshraj-prakash-of-sirmur-princess-diya-kumari-rajkumari-gauravi-kumari-and-maharaj-narendra-singh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rijusikri (talk • contribs) 06:53, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Look, I know the sources are out there and I've said it can be fixed. The problem is, your phrasing is all wrong and you're not actually sourcing everything anyway. You also have to be careful about sycophancy in the sources themselves - the fawning of the India media towards rich, privileged socialites such as this guy is notorious. - Sitush (talk) 07:32, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Note on titles

That's a rather long note, isn't it? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:18, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

It is. Fowler&fowler devised it at Jyotiraditya Madhavrao Scindia because of the repeated attempts at sycophancy. Lengthy although it is, the thing was a necessary bludgeon there and, I suspect, will be necessary here, too. It can be shortened if the maharaja's staff etc accept how we do things here but, frankly, I don't think they will. FWIW, I would mention the title is used by the guy, even though not official. - Sitush (talk) 07:28, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

University

He said he was going to study at Royal Holloway, University of London. I can't find a source that says he actually did. Can anyone else? - Sitush (talk) 12:06, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

@Sitush:--Nope!As a side-note I copy-edited the article and feel He had been involved as a spectator during Bhawani's life, and took up horseriding soon after his death, initially becoming interested in dressage. He began playing competitive polo in 2015 in England, where he kept eight ponies and and played with members of the British royal family.---sourced from an interview does not lend any encycloepadic-ness to the subject.Thus,I've removed it.16:56, 1 August 2017 (UTC)Winged Blades ^Godric

I don't mind removal of the royal family and 8 ponies bit but I think the rest is relevant. He has gone from not even being able to ride a horse to playing with the best polo players in the world in, well, not a lot of time at all. Yes, it is a rarified sport usually played by a certain type of person (money!) but it seems he is doing pretty well and, believe me, it takes a lot of skill to hit and ride simultaneously at any level of the game. - Sitush (talk) 17:12, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

@Sitush:--Re-inserted He began playing competitive polo in 2015 in England.Feel free to amend as you like.Winged Blades ^Godric 08:57, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

The whole thing got very screwed up after my initial edits. A couple of people's good-faith copyedits meant it no longer reflected the sources, the grammar fell to bits, the layout was contrary to common practice etc. I've tried to fix it while retaining the useful changes that were made. - Sitush (talk) 02:44, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Request edit on 3 August 2017

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padmanabh_Singh, please help me to change the title of the page, currently it is Padmanabh Singh it should be His Highness Maharaja Sawai Padmanabh Singh or Maharaja Sawai Padmanabh Singh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priyanshi10008 (talk • contribs) 08:51, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

No, it should not. We've already had one declared member of Singh's staff making a real mess here, and another IP today who is obviously one of his staff. We do not use titles in articles in the way you wish to do. And his isn't even an official title - just a piece of vanity, as the article and umpteen sources make clear. - Sitush (talk) 08:54, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

The rulers (Maharajas and others), surrendered their sovereignty when they acceded to India. In 1971, as a result of 26th Amendment to the Constitution of India the rulers were derecognized. Thus officially the titles ceased to exist. However in the local communities and in the press (Indian and International), the titles are still widely used. The "Maharajas" today undergo family ceremonies, with no legal/political significance. Some titles are disputed, for example there are two "Maharanas" of Udaipur, one who has inherited most of the palaces, and the other one, the elder brother, who is recognized by local people and most fellow Rajputs.Malaiya (talk) 22:56, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Opposition to his parents' marriage

Article states:

"His parents were Diya Kumari, the only daughter of Bhawani Singh, and Narendra Singh, the son of a member of staff who worked for Bhawani Singh. Their marriage, which was characterised as a member of the former royal family of Jaipur State in Rajasthan, India, marrying the lowly son of an employee, was seen as a social mismatch and caused much angst at the time."

Their marriage was not opposed because Narendra Singh was a "lowly son of an employee". It was opposed by the parents (initially) and the fellow Rajputs because both of them belonged to the same clan "Rajawat" which serves as the gotra. That means both of them belonged to same extended family. Sagotra marriage are traditionally prohibited (Prohibited degree of kinship) in Hindu society, however they are now not illegal unless it violates the sapinda rule of the The Hindu Marriage Act, 1955. Malaiya (talk) 23:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2017

Iti is 12 july 1998 not 2 july 1998. 27.60.5.94 (talk) 16:14, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

It is indeed, per the source. Thanks for spotting that. Now fixed. - Sitush (talk) 16:41, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

The title Maharaja is still widely used

Sitush commented while removing some text: "Just leave it as it should be - the royal status does not exist and he is just one of many members of the family". I disagree.

• He has been recognized as the head of the family.
• He is widely termed a Mahraja, in the press and in the society, like many other Maharajas in India.

Who has the authority to determine if someone is called a Mahatma or a Maharaja? Mahatma Gandhi was never given the title by anyone authorized to grant the title. Fact is that everyone called him Mahatma. Maharajas are still called Maharajas. Can Lal Bahadur Shastri be called a Shastri on Wikipedia? Everyone called him Shastri (it was an academic degree), and that is good enough for me.

Peerages in the United Kingdom, and few other countries officially determines the titles. It is not necessary for the rest of the world to accept them as the standard for judging the titles. Malaiya (talk) 23:56, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

The stuff you mention is already in the body of the article. A title has no place in the lead, whether actual or common use. Umpteen other experienced people have agreed with this here over a prolonged period of time - check the history. I think you probably thought you could find a wikilawyered way to squeeze the mention in there but it isn't helpful and you really should drop it. - Sitush (talk) 03:42, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

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Date of birth contradictions

Please note that the following three sources have been offered as references for date of birth:

• Business Insider
• India Times Photogallery
• Princess Diya Kumari Foundation

The foundation website claims a DOB of July 2, 1998, while the other two state July 12, 1998. There are a multitude of SEO-type websites which also claim July 12, 1998, and many of them clearly scrape this data from Wikipedia. The Business Insider article is more of a glorified photo gallery as well, but cites Vogue India published on July 18, 2016 as their source for date of birth. The problem is that article doesn't actually provide a DOB at all, only a vague reference to celebrating an 18th birthday on the previous Wednesday. If my calendar for that year is correct, the celebration for said 18th birthday would have taken place on July 13.

In summary, all of these sources are too fuzzy to meet WP:BLP standards, so the DOB will be removed for now. Please respond on this talk page if a more suitable source can be located, or if there is another solution which is congruent with relevant Wikipedia policies. Thank you, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 23:58, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Marriage or Relationships

Hello dear, @Crystallizedcarbon , However, I just searched everywhere and found that he is not married and that there is no information about his marriage anywhere. Recently, you just restored a version that was deleted by an IP address from this page. We should leave out the details of his wife and marriage in order to prevent any misunderstandings with the readers.--SanemAyhan07 (talk) 16:15, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello @SanemAyhan07: Thank you for letting me know. I thought I was removing it for lack of reliable sources. I did the review with an automated program, so I probably mistook the deletion for an addition. I have removed the unsourced information. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 16:24, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Crystallizedcarbon: --SanemAyhan07 (talk) 16:31, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, This is to inform that His Highness Maharaja Sawai Padmanabh Singh Of Jaipur is in a relationship with Claire Deroo according to Vanity Fair, Tatler, Daily Mail , Point De Vue etc.. I mean his name is linked to this lady. But we don't have any official report on this. There are sources which shares that he was in a relationship with Colombian Designer Virginia Borrero De Castro. I think it will be better not to write without seeking permission from the original person. 2405:201:A412:D24B:6983:4B59:FA78:8194 (talk) 12:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)