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Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2016

112.196.144.87 (talk) 13:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 14:02, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Yisreal Kristal

His entry lists his place of birth in 1903 as being in Poland. Poland did not exist in 1903. I think if he was born in Żarnów, it was in the Russian Empire until after World War I. Jtmichcock (talk) 20:31, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2016

112.196.144.87 (talk) 11:24, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 13:07, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Gjelë Mhilli

Gjelë Mhilli 09.03.1900 Rrëshen,Albania age 116 yars and 11 days old Adiponebr (talk) 22:03, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2016

122.180.36.73 (talk) 04:32, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 06:06, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Alfred date is dead?

Why is he still listed as living? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.18.55.90 (talk) 13:56, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

DNA collection

Has anyone on the list donated DNA over time to check their Telomerase length? --Nfarrow (talk) 02:20, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Mexican woman dies at age 117 just hours after receiving birth certificate

• report in The Guardian

• spanish article in El Sol de Mexico

• spanish article in El Universal

Oska (talk) 23:57, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2016

Since the death of 116-year-old Susannah Mushatt Jones of the United States on 13 May 2016,[a] Emma Morano of Italy, born 29 November 1899, was the oldest living person in the world whose age has been documented. In 2012 local Ugandan newspaper Daily Monitor featured an article on 116 year old Kokop Sindet Chesha Kurus. [1] Juanita Muwanga (talk) 19:57, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

 Not done It is not clear exactly which changes you'd like to see, and where to find the source you mention. Gap9551 (talk) 20:27, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Oldest Women / Person Claim: Pupirei of from Kigwema Village, Kohmma; Nagaland- India

Claiming above 120 years — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruokuovikho (talk • contribs) 09:40, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

oldest men??

The page is about the oldest people, yet there are sections relating to just men - which also have their own page. I suggest either the tables relating to just men be removed, or alternatively the equivalent tables of women be brought into the page. 124.171.79.108 (talk) 16:13, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

If you look again you will find both top ten people lists are 100% females so separate lists of top 10 women would be completely redundent. Legacypac (talk) 23:25, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Then remove the men as they don't fall in the top ten people. 124.171.134.45 (talk) 15:32, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

It sounds like you have a problem. The article is fine just like it is. No women are being harmed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.40.217.22 (talk) 03:32, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

I agree that presentation should stay as is, even if tables of Oldest People and Oldest Women are presently the same. Even if likely, there is no guarantee the Oldest People will always be women.Dori1951 (talk) 10:39, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

New contender for oldest person

I noticed that Mbah Gotho (https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/08/31/i-only-want-die-145-year-old-indonesian-may-be-oldest-man-earth) has not been added to this article. I don't know if his case hasn't been verified or if his absence was just a mistake, but I will keep this in the talk page for now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by What Seems To Be The Officer, Problem (talk • contribs) 21:47, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

He is not a contender for this article as his claimed age has never been, and never will be, verified by an independent organization. He is included at Longevity myths where all such bogus claims belong. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:17, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

I just read that the Indonesian gov't verified that he is in fact the oldest man in the world? It's not some clickbait news website, it's the Independent. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/worlds-oldest-person-man-mbah-gotho-indonesia-145-years-old-a7213191.html UNSC Luke 1021 (talk) 19:42, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

The Independent is no more a reliable source than picking pages at random from Google. The newspaper has long since closed down; the website that now uses the brand is just a Buzzfeed-style aggregator. ‑ Iridescent 19:48, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

It shut down print operations in March but is there any indication that its editorial practices have changed significantly? clpo13_(talk) 20:03, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2016

Add a link to the new article on Olivera, the Spanish man. Grantytyta (talk) 04:23, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

 Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 09:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC).

Kiichi Inoue

Did this man pass away? Any reliable source that says that he died? I've seen such on the 110 club, but that's not a reliable source If he has died, he needs to be removed from the oldest living men list. 99.101.56.68 (talk) 01:13, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

It is confirmed that he passed away on 21 March 2017. That means that Zoltan Sarosy is now the 9th oldest living man and the 10th oldest whose birth date is clear is Sakuichi Yamashita from Japan, born on 20 November 1906. Please change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.131.201.184 (talk) 12:16, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Confirmed by who? We need a reliable source. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 17:51, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

BBC News story: "Oldest woman in Africa hits 117"

Just saw a trailer on the BBC for an programme (coming Friday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08mnpzf) where one of their reporters goes to celebrate the 117th birthday of her great-grandmother, living in Kenya. I doubt there are fully solid documents to corroborate the woman's age, and the BBC featuring her can certainly not be used as a cite for the fact of her age - heir focus will be on the celebrations and on what has happened in Africa during this person's supposed lifetime, not on her age itself. Still, the programme might be worth watching in connection with the present article. 83.254.138.221 (talk) 22:41, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2017

I have verified data of man who is 128 years old right now. He is from Pakistan. That's why I'm requesting you to please edit this list of oldest people to keep it updated. Thanking in anticipation. Rashid3017 (talk) 04:45, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Define what you consider "verified". DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 05:01, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:35, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2017

A man in Pakistan died at the age of 126 last year, plzz add about him. Here's a source from notable Pakistani newspapers The Express Tribune. 119.160.97.149 (talk) 18:07, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

References

That source appears to contradict itself, stating that a 126-year-old man died on 1 August 2016, but then on the same page say "In May this year, world’s oldest living person, 116-year-old ... " and "The oldest verified person was 122". This makes it hard to take the 126-year-old claim seriously. Is there another source? Mitch Ames (talk) 00:12, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Categorization discussion at Talk:List of the verified oldest men

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of the verified oldest men#Category:Lists of supercentenarians . This is a discussion about whether Oldest People, List of the verified oldest women, & List of the verified oldest men should be listed at Category:Lists of supercentenarians instead of Category:Lists of oldest people since all the individuals on each list are supercentenarians Peaceray (talk) 20:02, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2017 - Zoltan Sarosy died on 19 June 2017

86.3.189.51 (talk) 05:34, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

You have not formatted you request properly. In any case until there is a reliable source which confirms that Sarosy has died the change won't be made (or will be reverted). DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 07:01, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Oldest woman in Malaysia

Apparently a 121 year old woman named Puan Ahmed just died in Malaysia.[2] It seems to be accurate, since it's being reported by reputable news sources in Singapore[3] and Malaysia.[4][5] It seems as though there isn't any mention of her whatsoever on Wikipedia. I can understand why this page is protected, but I think someone should add her to the list. 116.87.152.85 (talk) 14:38, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

At the top of the article, the first sentence reads "This article is about the oldest verified people of all time". "Verified" in this case means that the claim has been verified by an independent body which focuses on longevity research. In effect this means the Gerontology Research Group or Guinness World Records. For the purposes of this article passing WP:RS is insufficient, as it would mean that not only Longevity claims but Longevity myths would be included in the same list, which would be encyclopedically pointless. Puan Ahmed is one of the many cases which are more appropriately included in Longevity claims rather than this article. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 05:19, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

If this is the inclusion criterium for this article, why does the section "Ten oldest living people of verified age" list nine men which are not verified by the GRG? [6] lists Israel Kristal as the only verified living male supercentenarian. The other nine are only referenced by regional news articles, which do not have the same standard... --Roentgenium111 (talk) 12:09, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Can anyone deal with...

"As the oldest living person is usually a woman, a sequence of oldest women would be nearly redundant to this list."

I would like to know if anyone can add special cells for the table when the sequence diverges. Any opinions?? Georgia guy (talk) 13:45, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

A special note is that the difference between the 2 lists can come in 2 flavors. Both start out as "If this list has X, Y, and Z, where X and Z are women and Y is a man". It can be either:

1. The alternate sequence goes directly from X to Z.
2. The alternate sequence goes from X to W to Z, where W is a woman not in the all people list but who would qualify if this were a women-specific list.

Georgia guy (talk) 14:21, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

A man doesn't need to be GRG verified to be listed here, does he?

Someone is removing all the men that aren't GRG verified from the list. I'd say that a man doesn't need to be GRG verified to be included here. The list of oldest living people contains plenty of people that aren't GRG verified. RightGot (talk) 21:58, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

A difficult area (i.e. differentiating between WP:V and GRG "verified"). Consensus is that no differentiation be made. Repeated reverts to a GRG-only list has seen more than one editor topic-banned. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:14, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Huh? In the Malaysia section above you wrote that ""Verified" in this case means that the claim has been verified by an independent body which focuses on longevity research. In effect this means the Gerontology Research Group or Guinness World Records. For the purposes of this article passing WP:RS is insufficient, as it would mean that not only Longevity claims but Longevity myths would be included in the same list, which would be encyclopedically pointless." This article's lede also specifically mentions just GRG and GWR for validating age claims. If any local newspaper report was accepted as a source here, all tables in this article would become cluttered with such unverified claims... --Roentgenium111 (talk) 14:09, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

That's why I said "it is difficult"! The lead paragraph needs updating. The oldest ever/living people/men list here are the top ten of their respective articles. The oldest people/men articles are largely from the GRG lists including all of the current top ten in both cases. There are some editors who are so against using GRG as the main source that they have advocated that the list be based strictly of WP:V. This would make it encyclopedically pointless as it would include not only Longevity claims, but Longevity myths as well. The living list on the other hand include persons who pass WP:V as long as they are under the oldest person/man as recognized by Guinness. Again some editors want this restriction waived, but that would again make the list pointless. There is no justification for making the lists here differ from the parent lists and as long as the current criteria are in place then the lists here stay the same. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 05:29, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Yisrael Kristal has passed away

Reported in the news in Israel this afternoon. Atbannett (talk) 15:11, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Tsunahei Ogawa

Tsunahei Ogawa (born 9 January 1907) is confirmed alive as of today, which means that he would fit in the Top 10 oldest living men list (8th place).

http://www.pref.nagasaki.jp/shared/uploads/2017/09/1504777468.pdf

87.97.98.19 (talk) 17:02, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Celino Villanueva Jaramillo Suggestion

This guy may have been born in 1896 and still going: meet the world's oldest man (probably). Although with the headline including "probably" it is a questionable source. --Frmorrison (talk) 16:39, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

See Longevity claims where all such unsubstantiated claims belong. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 17:18, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Francisco Nunez Olivera

Did you know that Francisco Nunez Olivera is the oldest man in the world? I know that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:401:C503:63C6:9D93:B272:B051:5B07 (talk) 01:50, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Have you got a citation to verify that? DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 05:10, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

If an age is good enough for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_living_people surely it should be included here. What is the DOWNSIDE if it is inadvertently wrong??? 2600:8807:480A:1900:95E:6ABC:24F9:3BEC (talk) 17:05, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

WIkipedia is not self-referencing. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 17:20, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Not to mention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_supercentenarians but I will... Dfoofnik (talk) 17:08, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

See WP:OTHERLANG. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 17:20, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Proposition

I propose that the list of top ten oldest living people should only have people verified by the GRG. While there are hardly any living men verified, there are many women so it really isn't necessary to include unverified people like it is for the men list.--Dorglorg (talk) 00:02, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

I disagree. The top ten living list should reflect List of oldest living people. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 00:11, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

This discussion has been done to death, resurrected, dragged through WP:ARBCOM, and killed once again. The GRG is not - repeat: is not - considered any more reliable than any other reliable source for the purposes of Wikipedia. Canadian Paul 16:57, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Well why is that? They go through a long process of reviewing documents to verify ages, the media does no such thing.--Dorglorg (talk) 20:18, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I recommend reading through the ARBCOM case if you want to understand that. Long story short, we don't "rank" the "reliability" of reliable sources, as that would introduce far too much POV into the equation. If one reliable source contradicts another, then of course that is different (hence why we don't include claims older than the official World Oldest Person). If we excluded cases not "approved" by the GRG, then we (as an encyclopedia) would be implying that those claims are false, which they may not be. That would be original research, which we do not engage in here. We simply report what the reliable sources are saying. Canadian Paul 20:39, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Emiliano Mercado del Toro

He's currently the only person on this page whose residence is more specific than country. Changing Puerto Rico to United States would bring this in line. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BuckX (talk • contribs) 15:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Men?

Why does the page include a list of oldest men, but for women it only links to the dedicated page? Shouldn't both be treated equally? 89.234.140.197 (talk) 11:30, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

The top ten oldest people ever (both deceased and living) are women. So it's redundant to have a table for women. CommanderLinx (talk) 07:12, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2018

Hi, Please go through the link below. I wanted to update the missing data for the oldest person list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivakumara_Swami Madhura Nanjundaiah (talk) 06:16, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

This has been tried/requested on multiple occasions and rejected. He will never be added to an article which requires that his age be confirmed beyond reasonable doubt. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 20:56, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Carl Mattsson

I guess Carl Mattsson, Sweden, should be added as number 10 of oldest living men. He was born 9 March 1908 in Stenkyrka, Sweden, according to his birth record. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedish_supercentenarians 2001:6B0:23:15:A84C:2AF4:7C00:AD (talk) 09:25, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

 Note: The source for Mattson linked from List of Swedish supercentenarians is this one. It appears to be reliable and to provide verification. I'm leaving the request open in the hope that someone who reads Swedish will provide a second opinion. It's odd that there currently are only nine in the list of "ten". Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 15:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2018

Could you please delete the people who are NOT verified by the GRG. These people do not belong on the Ten Current Oldest People chart. Could you pleased delete those people? Please. 2601:401:C400:357:D82A:AE38:81F5:F98B (talk) 15:17, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the GRG, nor is it the place for a GRG biased point of view. Please do not waste any more time with such frivolous requests or comments. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 00:54, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Living people that should be on oldest list?

On another site "list of oldest living people" there are two other people in between Nabi Tajima and Chiyo Miyako.

It says that there is a Jamaican woman named Ida Troupe born on 25 December, 1900 and Maria Emilia Quesada born on 5 January, 1901.

Are these people verified?

If so, should they be added to the oldest people list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaBestMonEva (talk • contribs) 14:34, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Nope. Apparently Not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:5D47:F779:9994:AB21:700C:FD30 (talk) 22:23, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

They probably aren't verified enough for Wikipedia standards. See if you can find reliable sources! Gatemansgc (TɅ̊LK) 22:26, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

The living people on this list are taken from List of oldest living people. That article requires that any entry be reliably sourced. The same goes for any men that are outside the 100 oldest but would make to the top ten for this article. The oldest ever people are taken from List of the verified oldest people and List of the verified oldest men. Those articles require that the entries are "validated by modern standards", essentially their age has been confirmed by an organisation which specialises in longevity research. If the oldest ever people required merely that they be "reliably" sourced then this list would include Longevity claims and Longevity myths, making the lists meaningless. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 22:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Ida Troupe and Maria Emilia Quesada are NOT verified by the GRG. So these two people do not belong on the charts. Thank You! Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:5D47:F779:9994:AB21:700C:FD30 (talk) 12:05, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Celino Jaramillo

Man born in chile, died past month at the age of 121, born in 1896

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/19/man-believed-to-be-the-worlds-oldest-dies-in-chile-aged-121 https://www.debate.com.mx/mundo/muere-celino-villanueva-hombre-longevo-mundo-chile-20180418-0083.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.47.88.19 (talk) 11:40, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Please somehow join with "List of the verified oldest people"

Someone, please join this Wikipedia article with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_verified_oldest_people in some way. Now there is "List of oldest living people", "Oldest people", and "List of the verified oldest people". Is that really called for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.46.161.188 (talk) 19:05, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

The article summarises the others (which are also linked), by taking the Top 10 in each case, so there is no point in "joining" them. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:08, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2018

Add Fredie Blom from Cape Town, South Africa to the list of oldest men alive.

Born 8 May 1904

https://www.news24.com/Video/SouthAfrica/News/watch-cape-town-resident-believed-to-be-worlds-oldest-man-could-still-tile-the-floor-before-his-114th-birthday-20180509 https://www.iol.co.za/capetimes/news/delfts-fredie-blom-shares-secrets-on-still-being-active-at-114-14847677 https://www.dailyvoice.co.za/news/watch-fredie-still-bloming-at-114-years-old-14776841 DasHobo (talk) 15:51, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: I must confess that I am not familiar with past discussions on this talk page, but given this comment last year by User:DerbyCountyinNZ (who I am surprised has not responded to this request themselves given their level of activity here), it appears that the current consensus is to only include entries for which an "independent body which focuses on longevity research" (i.e. the Gerontology Research Group or Guinness World Records) has verified the person's age. Unfortunately, none of the three websites you have cited appear to meet this requirement. If you can show that Blom's age has indeed been verified by at least one of the two aforementioned bodies, you are then welcome to reactivate this request and provide the needed evidence. LifeofTau 00:25, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Actually I did respond, on another talk page! Must have been too busy and missed this one. As the other article is the list from which the top 10 are included here, the statement there applies here also. Any person, in this case man, who is claimed to be older than the oldest person/man as I identified by Guinness cannot be included. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:06, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria for this article

This article is a summary page for for both the oldest ever people(/men) and oldest living people (/men). (It also contain chronological lists of the oldest living people/men, whose format/inclusion is debatable; and a link to the oldest people by country article. Neither is the subject of this thread). In both cases the summary lists, each of a top ten, include a link at the top to the articles which contain the top 100 in each case. As such the lists here should reflect EXACTLY the top people/men in each of the linked lists. As most longevity editors should be aware by now the criteria (established by consensus) for those lists are different: the living list contains anyone with a reliable source whose age does not exceed the person/man announced as the oldest by Guinness World Records. The oldest ever (people/men) lists contain those people whose age has been "validated by modern standards". There is no basis using a any different criteria here (e.g. a GRG-bias for living people). I remind any longevity editors, yet again, that continuing to push a GRG-biased POV is not viewed favorably by the wider community and fully expect this to be reinforced at the next ARBCOM sanction case. I would also remind those editors that there is already a body of opinion that any GRG-bias should be removed from ALL longevity articles which would essentially mean that there would be no distinction made between the "verified" oldest people list and Longevity claims and even Longevity myths. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 08:15, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Your opinion has no basis for the Top-10 List. As opposed to the list of oldest living people which is just a numerical listing, the top-10 list is a "ranked" list and does require "age verification" from a suitable source. It does not matter whether this source be the "GRG" or not, but, "age verification" must exist. If not, the listing has no credibility, in that the "reliably sourced" guideline" does not demand any proof of age verification. There is no consensus for the changes you made to this page except for this blurb you posted on 05/13/2018, and your subsequent edit on 05/30/2018. I am reverting back to what was acceptable prior to your "one man attempt" to change this criteria.TFBCT1 (talk) 12:28, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

As usual your failure to respond to this issue at the time, your continued failure to accept consensus (by claiming that the lists in this article have a different consensus to what you state) and your edit warring, again, are all adding to your long list of ARBCOM violations. Don't say you weren't warned. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 17:59, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

As usual you reply with meaningless threats and claims. Once again, you initiated an attempt to change the criteria for this list on 05/13/2018 (which nobody saw, so nobody participated), then took it upon youself to make poorly sourced, changes which had no concensus to the list. You never address the real issue which in this case is "age verification." Once again, this is your attempt to bypass normal Wiki procedures and run a "one-man" show. It is counter productive and shows your inability to work with other people.TFBCT1 (talk) 09:48, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

GRG or not?? What other suitable sources are there for verification?? Fox News?? New York Times?? Georgia guy (talk) 12:43, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Guinness World Records is suitable. Any source that would provide a record of early life verification rather than an elderly person holding an ID card from the past decade. But than again your question seems more rhetorical, rather than productive and indictive of someone who is automatically on the anti-GRG band wagon which is not productive.TFBCT1 (talk) 09:54, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

To be fair, I'm starting to lose track of what standards are applied where and when and where the consensus was formed. While I understand why we have the two different standards, I do also understand the perspective that it seems a bit silly to have this list be only for verified people and then to list to a link of living people at list of oldest living people that is completely different. It might be worth having an RfC, at the Wikiproject but linked on all the most frequented pages, about what standards are applied and where. For example, this page is supposed to only list "verified" people, hence the top 10 women here are different than the top 10 women at list of oldest living people, but then the top 10 men here include individuals who are not "verified". It's one thing to have different standards for different pages, but shouldn't there be one standard within a single page? Or am I missing something here?

Also, the redirect List of living supercentenarian redirects here instead of list of oldest living people, whereas List of living supercentenarians does the opposite. That should be fixed one way or the other. Canadian Paul 09:24, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, you are missing something. The list of men also excludes (2) highly doubtful claims which are listed on List of living supercentenarians, Manoel Dionisio da Silva (Brazil) and, Shivakumara Swami (India) because they have no form of age verification and are from unreliable countries. If we are going to defer to the haphazard rationale of the List of living supercentenarians and require no age verification, and basically create a pointless list, then these (2) men should be added as well. I'm not sure how this could have been overlooked.@Canadian Paul:@DerbyCountyinNZ:TFBCT1 (talk) 14:13, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

The RFC for oldest living people established that "(b)oth clear consensus and policy support for relying on Wikipedia:Reliable sources for this article". This has never been changed nor has it ever been properly proposed that it be changed, and even if it was the chances of it reverting to any previous criteria are practically 0. List of the verified oldest people has used the term "validated" in one form or another for the last 10 years and essentially means "...by the GRG/Guinness". It has been suggested at times that WP:RS also be applied to that article but AFAIK there has never been either an RFC or any other formal proposal to do so, though I suspect that will happen eventually. As both those lists, and others, were split from this list, the Top Tens here always reflected the sub-lists and there has never been a suggestion that the criteria should vary nor is there any basis under Wiki policy (let alone common sense) why they should (unless someone can show me where it is!). Unless someone wants to have an RFC on a) changing the oldest ever people lists to RS rather than GRG validated and/or b) that the lists in this article have different criteria to the sub-lists from which they are taken then there appear to be no grounds for argument against my original statement in this thread. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 10:13, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't realize there was an actual RfC for the oldest living page... I thought it was just an ad-hoc consensus, but thanks for the useful link. It also explains why there are two different standards for the pages, although I suspect eventually someone will start an RfC to standardize them (but it won't be me). And I wasn't arguing against anything, just trying to sort it out. My question remains, however, as to why the "top 10 oldest living women" list (on this page) is verified-only, while the "top 10 oldest living men" (also on this page) is any-RS criteria. Shouldn't they both be verified-only (i.e. the men listing only Nonaka and Overton)? Canadian Paul 10:40, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, you are missing something. The list of men also excludes (2) highly doubtful claims which are listed on List of living supercentenarians, Manoel Dionisio da Silva (Brazil) and, Shivakumara Swami (India) because they have no form of age verification and are from unreliable countries. If we are going to defer to the haphazard rationale of the List of living supercentenarians and require no age verification, and basically create a pointless list, then these (2) men should be added as well. I'm not sure how this could have been overlooked.@Canadian Paul:@DerbyCountyinNZ:TFBCT1 (talk) 15:01, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

And the reliable sources for stating that the 2 entries mentioned are unreliable are? DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 08:31, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Exactly my reason for starting this thread! I changed the women's list with this edit, but it was reverted, twice. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 11:19, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh, well in that case not only are we not disagreeing, but I'm actually providing a third opinion to help form a consensus. I reverted the revert; @TFBCT1:, if you want to try and form a new consensus, that's fine, but if your complaint is that only verified people should be on this list, then you should at the very least be removing the unverified men as well. And we'd need to see a new consensus built for that action too. Canadian Paul 12:54, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Make mine a fourth opinion in favor of an inclusive list using RS and not an exclusive list using only GRG as a source. GRG is free to publish their list OFF wikipedia based on whatever criteria they pick, but the lists on Wikipedia are going to follow all RS. Readers can weigh the reasonableness of of the NYTimes or the Springfield Gazette's verification process. Legacypac (talk) 13:40, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Unvalidated Supercentenarians

Manoel Dionisio is not validated so he should be removed as one example.

Wiki user TFBCT1 even stated that they added people "with no sort of age verification or semblance of scrutiny".

This is unacceptable to add and TFBCT1 should not have gone through with this.

The people that this user added should all be promptly removed.

DaBestMonEva (talk) 17:59, 14 June 2018 (UTC)DaBestMonEva

Please read the discussion three sections up for an explanation. Canadian Paul 09:11, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Bernard "Bernie" Nenner

I run the Supercentenarian Research Study www.supercentenarianstudy.com, and collected blood samples from Bernie Nenner. In Nov of 2017 his granddaughter sent me the following email

Wendy Adolphson 11/28/17 to me Hi James, Just wanted to pass on some sad news. My grandfather Bernard Nenner passed away November 13, 2017. Born May 4, 1907. He was 110 years and 6 months old. Very quick passing.

Jwclement (talk) 00:06, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately we need a reliable source which confirms this information, personal communication is not sufficient for Wikipedia purposes. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 03:26, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I tried asking on Twitter. Here is an answer I got. Atbannett (talk) 21:52, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Twitter is not a reliable source. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 03:07, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

I know. The question is where it will be published? Or do we just wait until his next birthday and remove him? Atbannett (talk) 09:12, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Mr. Nenner's birthday has come and gone and no article, since he probably passed away. Should he be removed now? Atbannett (talk) 22:44, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

User:DerbyCountyinNZ, What do you say? Atbannett (talk) 18:57, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

As it has been over a year since the citation used at List of oldest living people which confirms he was alive, and there being no update then he meets the criteria for removal from that article and therefore this article as well. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:19, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

...which I have now done. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:23, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. May we all be blessed with a good and long life! Atbannett (talk) 10:07, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

He is not Dead! He is Still Alive! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.242.192.140 (talk) 23:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

World's Oldest Person After April 21, 2018

Until there is a resolution in the Chiyo Miyako case, I believe that the following sentence should not be included in the article: "Since the death of 116-year-old Giuseppina Projetto of Italy on 6 July 2018, 115-year-old Kane Tanaka of Japan, born 2 January 1903, is the oldest living person in the world whose age has been documented."

Also, for the time being, I believe that the entries for Giuseppina Projetto and Kane Tanaka on the Chronological list of the oldest known living person since 1955 should be replaced with not yet determined/pending (since April 21, 2018).

If I remember correctly, this is what happened when the World's Oldest Man became undetermined after the death of Yisrael Kristal, rather than automatically naming Francisco Núñez Olivera or Masazo Nonaka as the World's Oldest Man. I believe we should follow this precedence, and leave the World's Oldest Person since April 21, 2018 as undetermined, rather than naming Giuseppina Projetto or Kane Tanaka as the World's Oldest Person, while the Chiyo Miyako case is being sorted out. PhiEaglesfan712 (talk) 04:02, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

There is actually nothing to resolve at this point (except the disruption to multiple articles). Multiple reliable sources have stated that Miyako is the W.O.P.. There are as yet no reliable sources which contradict this. End of story. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:09, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Tava Colo

Hello,

The new oldest people on earth is not Kane Tanaka but Tava Colo, a French lady living in the Indian ocean. Here is a source in French, you can get more on the French article (or the Russian one) :

• Valérie Parlan (2017). "Tava Colo, 115 ans, est la doyenne des Français". Ouest France (in French).

Could somebody create the page and update this article ? Thanks and BR, FredD (talk) 14:13, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

A foreign language Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Georgia guy (talk) 14:20, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Who said it was ? I provided a reliable source from the biggest French newspaper and said that more sources could be found on the French and Russian wikipedia articles. This is very different to using them as sources. FredD (talk) 16:55, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

There are many people who are claimed to be the oldest person on earth, and all of them are (equally)reliably sourced. Until Guinness world records specifies who it is all those previously on the list should remain and there should be a statement in the lede that the "official" "verified" oldest person is still unknown. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 04:18, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

There are claims on the one hand, and there is official civil status on the other : this is far from "equal". Here, we have a person with a valid ID card from a country with reliable records, validated by authorities and investigated by professional journalists. There is no better source for Wikipedia, and there is no similar competing anywhere on earth to Google's knowledge. FredD (talk) 07:03, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

As the longevity hobbyists would ask: When was the ID card issued? DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 08:24, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

It was checked as valid by the journalists and authorities, so less than 10 years ago, and issued by a powerful administration. Mayotte is one of Europe's hot spots for illegal immigration, hence ID paperwork there is kept under very high surveillance. FredD (talk) 07:04, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Less than 10 years is not convincing. Without official documentation from the first 20/30 years of their life the claim is just another one of those prone to exaggeration. The link you have given even casts doubt on the accuracy of her age, which is not a good sign. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 09:33, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

French ID cards are changed every 10 years, but of course this is not her first one, and trust me, to get a valid ID card in Mayotte you reeeally need to have all the proper paperwork in good order, it's like France's Puerto Rico. The article responds to some people casting doubt on her age saying there is no reasonable reason to have doubts. FredD (talk) 07:35, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

As I mentioned above, I think that until there is an "official" announcement of the World's Oldest Person, by Guinness, all those reliably sourced who were on the list prior to Chiyo Miyako's death should continue to be listed. The whole issue of who determines the WOP and how that is presented on Wikipedia is part of the wider debate on Longevity. At present the whole situation is more complex than most editors realise and it will take a concerted effort from the wider Wiki community to come up with a workable solution. At present all I can say is that if Tava Colo was listed here as the WOP, it would undoubtedly lead to not only edit warring but another lengthy debate such as this one. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 09:08, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Xuyun

Wikipedia has an article on Xuyun (born Xiao Guyan), a Chinese Buddhist teacher, whose page states that he lived to 119 years and 38 days. I’m posting this in both Oldest People and Longevity Claims because the age is not disputed in the article, but was called into question in the discussion page. Paul F Villerius (talk) 04:47, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

As his claimed age has not been independently validated he does not meet the criteria for inclusion in this article. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 05:19, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

José Uriel Delgado Corrales

José Uriel Delgado Corrales is documented as the oldest Costa Rican alive, he was born on March 10th, 1900, and is documented by the National authorities.

https://www.crhoy.com/nacionales/chepito-el-tico-de-mayor-edad-fue-operado-con-exito/ http://gerontology.wikia.com/wiki/Jose_Uriel_Delgado https://qcostarica.com/the-oldest-man-in-the-world-could-be-living-right-here-in-costa-rica/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.176.233.1 (talk) 21:34, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Does not meet the criteria for inclusion in this article, but is listed at Longevity claims#Recent. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 22:13, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2018

the oldest person alive is Ryan Costello the age of 130 years and 269 days 72.45.188.230 (talk) 14:39, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done. Please provide a reliable source as described in the introduction to the article. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:48, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2018

173.54.17.7 (talk) 00:18, 19 December 2018 (UTC) Rudy De Luca is 118 older than the others

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 00:52, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Carmelo Flores

The oldest documented person to ever live, is 123 Bolivian man Carmelo Flores. Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/123-year-old-bolivian-man-oldest-living-person-ever-documented-flna6C10934840 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cris Altamirano (talk • contribs) 20:44, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Along with many (of the hundreds) others whose age has never been substantiated properly, he is listed at Longevity claims. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 22:13, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Calment

The note about Calment is quite appropriate and new sources are addressing this theory all the time. See [7] for the edit in question. Legacypac (talk) 19:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

This theory is mostly a mediatic artifact, based on nothing serious : this is giving it too much attention compared to its actual legitimacy. All the critics have been adressed by actual researchers here. There is no science behind the Russian article, which is just a tabloid fake scoop with no academic background : Wikipedia cannot consider it as a relevant source at the same level as professional works published with academic standards. FredD (talk) 00:01, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Why is Nanu Shaova not mentioned?

Nanu Shaova death: Russian woman thought to be oldest person ever dies aged 128 (going on 129)

January 22, 2019 Evening Standard reports. http://www.inkl.com/newsletters/morning-edition/news/nanu-shaova-death-russian-woman-thought-to-be-oldest-person-ever-dies-aged-128?utm_campaign=2019-01-23&utm_medium=morning-edition&utm_source=inkl 2604:2000:F64D:FC00:2CFA:2644:805:D631 (talk) 12:55, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

As with other similar cases above, she is listed in Longevity claims. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 16:42, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Oldest living man died at the age of 168 years old ( please add this information to the list as well )

hi there, according the the article Shirali Muslimov there is another man in the world who is considered to live 168 years, which is more than the French lady in the top of the list. It would be interesting to have this information in your article as well, since it has been published in wikipedia already and was captured in Guiness 1974 publication.

Thanks, Toghrul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rzaevtogrul (talk • contribs) 05:12, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Rzaevtogrul: His age was not reliably verified, therefore he does not hold the record for verified oldest person.--Jasper Deng (talk) 05:23, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

These wholly unsubstantiated, and extremely unlikely, claims are list in Longevity myths as they are too unbelievable to be listed in Longevity claims. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 06:55, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

why isn't maftei pop not mentioned? he was suggested to be 148 years old before he died

https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maftei_Pop — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael 6231 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Since Maftei Pop is saying that he is 148 he should be in longevity myths and his age is to high for Longevity claims. He does not meet the criteria for this page.Born in Decade X (talk) 13:55, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Oldested man alive now in india

Oldest man 119 year old alive now in India living in village chittanivada near kanpur city uttar pradesh Pyush67 (talk) 02:00, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Pyush67, you need verification from a reliable source for that claim. Peaceray (talk) 06:00, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Longer lists

@BHB95: I appreciate your initiative of adding a few more people to the lists, according to a reasonable age threshold.[8] I wonder why we should maintain a separate list of men here, now that one of them is on the global list. We could simply point readers to List of the verified oldest men. — JFG ^talk 23:54, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

And I've reverted the additions. The lists are top ten only. More complete lists are linked. There is also no needto re-iterate the dispute about Jeanne Calment here. The fact that she is disputed is sufficient, the details are in her article. In any case the dispute is far less scientifically rigorous than the validation and has been given too much weight by those wiki editors who have little or no interest in longevity. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 00:03, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I think the list should be limited to people who have lived to a specific age, as 116 years, not limited to just top 10 as the 10 oldest ever have lived to different ages, the last people in the top 10 is a few of all who have lived to age 116, so why don't include ALL people who have lived to age 116 as I tried to do, why did you revert that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BHB95 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I have noticed that Jiroemon Kimura has been in the top 10 but now excluded as several women have surpassed his age. Kimura is the only man who have lived to age 116. That's why I think he sould be included in the top list, but to include him the list can't be limited to only top 10. I don't think it's reasonable to revert my edits just because I change from top 10 to all people who have lived to age 116. BHB95 (talk) 00:13, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

There have been many discussions about the removal of the sort of longevity fanfluff you have added at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Longevity. I'll take this dispute there for further input before it escalates to the point of RFC or ANI. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 00:51, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Your edits added nothing of value, BHB95. We have other easily accessible lists for the people you added and if people want to see Jiroemon Kimura's listing on this page now, all they have to do is scroll slightly further down the page. Also, catch all age minimums like 116 or 113 will lead to an ever growing fanfluff cruft problem. Stop wasting our time with your needless proposal. Newshunter12 (talk) 01:02, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@DerbyCountyinNZ and Newshunter12: Feel free to disagree with BHB95's proposal, but please do it while remaining WP:CIVIL. Nobody owns these articles, and it's not ok to tell an editor that s/he is "wasting our time" or that their stance may "escalates to the point of RFC or ANI". These comments can be construed as a "chilling effect" threat. Let's focus on debating the appropriateness of the contents under discussion. — JFG ^talk 11:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

There is nothing "uncivil" in my edits. The edits by BHB95, and the reasoning behind them follow the long history of longevity fanfluff/GRG-biased editing, which are no longer tolerated by the Wiki community. The edits have been reverted by multiple editors only to be returned by BHB95 thus violating WP:3R and WP:BOLD. If there is no further input from those following the Longevity talk page then this will definitely require at least an RFC or a trip to ANI. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 21:44, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I do not feel that stating someone who is bringing illogical and long discredited arguments and trying to repeatedly force them upon the wiki community is wasting everyone else's time is "uncivil". Newshunter12 (talk) 22:20, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I think it's better to have a list of all people aged 116 rather than only 10 oldest people ever. There are as of today only about 20 people who have reached age 116, that's not much. If JFG says it's not reasonable to revert my edits and claim my edits to "waste time", please stop doing that. BHB95 (talk) 21:04, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

JFG never said it was unreasonable to revert your edits, and while I respect him as an editor, I disagree that either DerbyCountyinNZ or I were "uncivil". If you want to substantially change the article in a disputed fashion, you would need to establish a new community consensus first, which you have as of yet failed to do. Newshunter12 (talk) 22:20, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes. My opinion is that both your edit and the revert were reasonable actions, and we are at the logical next step in WP:BRD, which is to discuss the proposed changes among editors. There is obviously no consensus among the few people who have commented so far. If you still feel this is worth discussing, the next step would be to call an RfC to gather wider community input. Personally I don't mind either way: I think it would be useful to list a few more people here (and then I would remove the separate list for men), but the longer lists are just a click away, so it's no big deal. — JFG ^talk 23:51, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Albanian woman dies aged 123 (2003)

Dear fellow Wikipedians,

Having recently become interested in this article, I researched it a bit, later finding out that an Albanian woman, Hava Rexha, allegedly died in November 2003 - and at 123 years of age. This would put place her as the oldest person to have ever lived, above Jeanne Calment (or at least above Sarah Knauss).

However, like many claims, there doesn’t seem to really be much information on Rexha, nor has it been verified (at least to my knowledge) by any international body as specified in the beginning of the article.

As a result, I inquire as to what exactly, if anything, could be added to the article accordingly.

(References:

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2003-11-10/albanias-oldest-woman-dies-aged-123/1506568

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=sbj1AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA146&dq=hava+rexha&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPk5ODs8vjAhXOa8AKHSLTD4cQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=hava%20rexha&f=false

https://gerontology.wikia.org/wiki/Hava_Rexha (this article uses ABC News’ article)

A YouTube video, uploaded by AP Archive: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kUNsLsDA2yA)

ArbDardh (talk) 16:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)ArbDardh

Such unverified cases belongs in Longevity claims; Hava Rexha is already listed there. — JFG ^talk 12:23, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Jeanne Calment highlighted as disputed

Now that the Requests for comments has finished with the ruling that the statement of the age dispute be removed, I've done the same for this article. The arguments in the closing statement of the RfC don't apply any differently for this article, so I think the dispute should be handled the same way in this article as the other. 00:34, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I added the footnote to the verified top ten table and the chronological table. I copied the footnote from the List of the verified oldest people article. I don't know the proper way to use the same footnote twice in the same article, so I copied the complete footnote to both sections. I used the following wikicode:

{{efn|name=calment|Calment's case was [[Jeanne Calment#Scepticism regarding age|disputed]] in a study posted online in November 2018,<ref name=Milova>{{cite web |url=https://www.leafscience.org/valery-novoselov-investigating-jeanne-calments-longevity-record/ |title=Valery Novoselov: Investigating Jeanne Calment’s Longevity Record |first=Elena |last=Milova |publisher=Life Extension Advocacy Foundation |date=4 November 2018 |access-date=5 December 2018}}

First I tried

{{efn|name=calment}}

for the second reference (in the chronological table) but it gave me an error when I tried that. Does anyone know how to display the same footnote in two sections without redundantly copying the complete footnote? Nine hundred ninety-nine (talk) 01:57, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

124 years old man alive is Mr. Swami Sivananda from India

Hindu monk Swami Sivananda was born on August 8, 1896, according to his passport. If true, his life would have spanned three centuries, but despite his apparent age he remains strong enough to perform yoga for hours at a time. user: only.ashish99 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Only.ashish99 (talk • contribs) 05:37, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Only.ashish99, you need verification from a reliable source for that claim. Peaceray (talk) 06:16, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Gustav Gerneth

It seems that Gustav Gerneth passed away: https://www.volksstimme.de/sachsen-anhalt/todesfall-114-jaehriger-aus-havelberg-gestorben Xakepxakep (talk) 19:23, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Calment note needs to be removed.

There have been no further reputable sources citing any facts other than regurgitation of the initial claims of dispute concerning the Calment issue. It is therefor conjecture. One wonders if it remains 'tagged' for some other personal reason? Also I note that there seems to be a strong bias toward American supercenternarians. I am not sure why. Stomper 33 (talk) 09:16, 13 April 2019 (UTC)stomper 33

Since last year's allegations, Calment's status has not been resolved one way or the other; it is still disputed. Regarding Americans, I don't see any bias: the USA happen to be a large nation in which birth dates have been well-documented for a long time. Same for Japan, France and Italy to a lesser extent, this is why we see more people from those countries. Obviously, if China or India had preserved records from the late 19th and early 20th century, we would see many more supercentenarians from there. — JFG ^talk 09:29, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Your assertions are wildly incorrect. There is no ongoing dispute into the Calment case. As I said, there have been no further verifiable reports on the matter. As such it is speculation and by upholding your own belief, you are not supporting the proven facts. It is no different to reporting speculative news reports about 911 or any other 'alternative' truth. I have deleted this again. On the U.S issue, you completely miss the point. Stomper 33 (talk) 02:23, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

While I agree that there is no ongoing dispute into the Calment case (hence why I tagged the page as possibly giving undue weight to it, I don't see what you are talking about regarding American supercentenarians. There's no bias, this is literally just the top 10 oldest people; that they happen to come from America is because America is a first world nation with a (relatively) high life expectancy and 330 million people. This article is incapable of having bias towards Americans. Rockstonetalk to me! 22:27, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

I agree that there is undue weight towards the dispute of Calment's age. I don't think the dispute is notable enough for mention in this article. A footnote might be justified, but I think highlighting her name/age in the table is undue weight. I think it is probably sufficient to mention the dispute in the middle/bottom of the article about Jeanne Calment. Nine hundred ninety-nine (talk) 23:24, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

I think the age dispute and footnote are best left the way they were in this article with no undue weight tags, as has been the consensus for many months. That it makes longevity fanboys and GRG acolytes angry is of no substance to this encyclopedia. Newshunter12 (talk) 05:56, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Anyone can add an undue weight tag. The tag exists to inform users of the conflict, and it is here to stay until consensus is reached. Rockstonetalk to me! 06:12, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

@Rockstone There are enough challenges on Wikipedia without getting too hung up on a footnote. I drop my objection to removing it, but maintain the brown disputed coloring and information in the lede about the age dispute should stay. You should read JFG's new comments on the RfC you started and my old ones if you haven't done so. I would also like to emphasis to you that her age has been disputed since at least 2000, the Zak paper only brought the issue into the spotlight and gave a possible explanation for the case. Newshunter12 (talk) 22:13, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

@Newshunter12: -- I'll review the comments once I get the chance. I appreciate your compromise with me. I won't touch the page until we get consensus. I'm sorry for being rude earlier. --Rockstonetalk to me! 23:14, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

No worries! Hopefully the RfC reaches a clear consensus. Scientists first disputed Shigechiyo Izumi's age in the 1980's and his validation wasn't withdrawn until about 2011. This topic often moves at a glacial pace, but hopefully scientists will be able to solve the Calment situation in a more timely manner. Newshunter12 (talk) 00:12, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

I think the brown dispute colour in the box is unreasonable. One person saying something isn't right doesn't make it not right. The balance of probability is MASSIVELY in favour of the claim. There is "evidence" of many things but that doesn't make it onto Wikipedia. However, having been involved in "discussions" with people like the above I find it easier to let Wikipedia to look silly. Cls14 (talk) 08:11, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

@Cls14:-- Your deduction that the balance of probability massively favors the Calment claim is just plain false. The standard deviation mathematically between Calment and all other verified longevity claimants is highly mathematically improbable, and the imposter theory leads toward more common sense. Her claim has clearly been disputed.TFBCT1 (talk) 18:47, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Agree, it's bogus Russian claptrap which makes en wiki look bad as a willing participant as an organ of dissemination of same. FWIW someone in human history has probably lived longer but she is the verified oldest, it's really an aspersion on Russian society that they have to try to tear her down when it's the most verified case just because they don't believe this well established fact while they do in fact believe a lot of falsehoods. It appears, at least someone is saying below that it has, that this was resolved in favor of removing the "a" footnote but it's still there. 98.4.103.219 (talk) 14:04, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Unvalidated people

Why do we have unvalidated people on these lists? It seems there should be a standard, such as the GRG, or else we're just taking claims as fact. There are three women and nine men on these oldest living people lists who are not validated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Businessreply80 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2020

The older man alive in the world right now is not that guy mentioned over here. It's keshavan nair from Kerala . Ashirnb786 (talk) 15:10, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:14, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Sudhakar Chaturvedi - the oldestman lived in India - On Earth

• Pandit Sudhakar Chaturvedi (Kannada: ಸುಧಾಕರ್ ಚತುರ್ವೇದಿ) (died 27 February 2020)[1][2] was an Indian Vedic scholar, Indologist, and supercentenarian. At the age of 122 years, 313 days, some Indian newspapers reported him as the oldest Indian ever lived- But oldest man ever lived. ple- add to the article Bschandrasgr (talk) 09:02, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Does not meet the criteria for inclusion. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 09:16, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 February 2020

Sudhakar Chaturvedi from india is the oldest people who died on 27 february 2020 103.204.156.133 (talk) 08:38, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done The case has not been sufficiently verified. Gap9551 (talk) 08:48, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2020

Using data-sort-type=date for sorting dates would help as currently they sort by the day number. FakeMichau (talk) 00:15, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

It's the "Lifespan" column that's the only one that's sorted wrong. Can be fixed if someone wraps the first date of the columns in {{dts}}. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done Thjarkur: DTS as far as I can see won't do the trick since it is years and days (length) that needs to be sorted, not dates (chronology). {{sort}} is possible, but the living person on the list means the list will not auto sort as the person gets older (and is close to rising in rank on the table), so I used {{ayd}} instead. Goldsztajn (talk) 15:40, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2020

Bob Weighton has been confirmed by Guinness as the world's oldest man but there is only a link to a newspaper confirming this in this list. Could you add this direct link to Guinness: https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2020/3/englishman-bob-weighton-confirmed-as-the-worlds-oldest-man-living-at-112-years-o-613615/ 93.99.12.251 (talk) 10:09, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

The request above might be unclear. I have forgotten to write where should this link be added. Could you add this link as a second source for Bob Weighton or as a replacement for the existing source for Bob Weighton. 93.99.12.251 (talk) 10:20, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Useight (talk) 15:08, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. 93.99.12.251 (talk) 08:30, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2020

For the oldest living person in the world see this article below

THE OLDEST LIVING PERSON IN THE WORLD IS A FILIPINO!

Francisca Susano

💗 Born Before Philippine Independence 💗 Witnessed Two World Wars (World War I and World War II) 💗 Survived the Last Global Pandemic (Spanish Flu, 1918 - 1920) and now facing another Global Pandemic (COVID-19) 💗 Also survived the Filipino-American War (1898 - 1946).

Francisca was born on September 11, 1897 in Oringao, Kabankalan City, Negros Occidental. As per record, Francisca is the oldest person in the Philippines and THE ONLY LIVING PERSON TO HAVE BEEN BORN IN THE 1800s.

Francisca was even a year older than the Philippine Declaration of Independence, which happened on June 12, 1898.

Her family confirmed that they have submitted Francisca's records and information to the Guinness Book of World Records so she can be recognized as the oldest living person in the world.

As of September 13, 2019, Guinness records show that the oldest known living person is Kane Tanaka of Japan, aged 116 years, 254 days.

Francisca current age is now 122, turning 123 this year.

Help us to spread this information worldwide. Let them know that she is a Filipino and a pride of our nationality.💕💖 Marsha1m (talk) 06:05, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jack Frost (talk) 09:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

"This is not Guinnesspedia"

I assume this means that we're not supposed to trust Guinness World Records consistently. Does the book lie a lot about some subjects?? Name 4 lies you remember from reading a Guinness World Records book. Georgia guy (talk) 23:21, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Albano Andrade

Hi TFBCT1, where is the idea that Albano Andrade is the older living man on earth from? He is ranked number 10 at the moment, this is written in the same page. The oldest man in the world is Saturnino de la Fuente of Spain.

I already corrected it once, if people want to change to Albano Andrade (born 10 months later), can you explain your point of view before editing? Thanks Phil of Bristol 14:24, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Not him, but looking through the article, I think it has to do with whether the person's age has been verified by the Gerontology Research Group. It looks like Andrade is the oldest person who's age has already been verified, with those claiming to be older not having that yet. Waluigithewalrus (talk) 22:27, 28 June 2020 (UTC)