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Birthplace

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As there are different sources that say Calgary or Vancouver in british columbia i suggest we wait till we got more sources before we add a birthplace to the article --Nakurio (talk) 04:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Birthdate

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There are no reliable sources about the year clement was born so pls no body put in anything till you can show a reliable source here.--Nakurio (talk) 06:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WWE Live events

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I think Mike Dalton did already wrestle for the wwe main roster at several live events but i am not sure and can´t find any sources, does anyone know if he has appeared as few talent on wwe live events?--Nakurio (talk) 20:59, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move (December 2013)

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. No prejudice against a new request with a different title. --BDD (talk) 00:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Dalton (wrestler) → Tyler Breeze – He has spent a few months now as Tyler Breeze, and I think it's safe to say he is much more known as Breeze than he was as Dalton. As "Mike Dalton", he may have won the FCW Heavyweight and Tag Team championships, but FCW did not have the same outreach that NXT does. WWE never promoted FCW on their website the same way as NXT, so casual fans were much less aware of FCW than they are of NXT. On NXT, "Mike Dalton" was used mostly as a jobber, appearing infrequently and losing almost every match he was in. Tyler Breeze, on the other hand, appears on NXT much more often than Mike Dalton did and has a much bigger push now. --Relisted.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:35, 28 December 2013 (UTC) GeicoHen (talk) 23:21, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, Mattias Wild was the Canadian name. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:39, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's hard to make a decision. In terms of success, it's actually Mike Dalton, even if Dalton was a jobber in NXT, he was still one time FCW Heavyweight and FCW Tag Champion. Breeze has won nothing in NXT. But, in terms of exposure, it's Tyler Breeze, because NXT is broadcast internationally on TV, and FCW was not broadcast out of Florida. Google News produces 16 results for "Tyler Breeze" and no results for "Mike Dalton" FCW, but interestingly, Google Search produces only 54,300 results for "Tyler Breeze" and 138,000 results for "Mike Dalton" FCW. Matt Clement, the birth name, is definitely the least known name, because he never used it in FCW or NXT, which are the most prominent wrestling promotions in his career. Also, in terms of longevity, Mike Dalton's been around for two years, and Tyler Breeze, less than half a year. I'd say, let's leave it at Dalton until Tyler Breeze is a) called up to the main roster b) wins a championship in NXT, whichever comes first. Starship.paint (talk) 02:21, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sean Combs, the birth name, was used instead of either "P. Diddy" or "Puff Daddy". --George Ho (talk) 02:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes, when we can find the common name, we use the birth name, like Nelson Frazier (Mabel, Viscera, Big Daddy V) or The Dudleys. I don't know... maybe Support. Dalton won two titles in FCW, but now, NXT is mor notable than FCW was. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:37, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose move for now per Starship.paint's findings above. It's worth remembering that FCW was discussed online and videos of matches were popular uploads among users of video sharing sites. This could account for "Mike Dalton" being familiar to fans outside of Florida. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 16:30, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Given that Clement only used the ring name "Mike Dalton" for two years, I think the current title gives undue weight to this period of his career. A Google News Archive search returns 33 results for "Tyler Breeze" WWE and 0 results for "Mike Dalton" WWE. McPhail (talk) 18:46, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Google News Archive is down for now. Use "site:news.google.com/newspapers". George Ho (talk) 20:13, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Mattias Clement He's been in more places for a longer time as Mattias Wild, achieved most success (card-wise) as Mike Dalton and is now in the big show as Tyler Breeze (though way down the ladder). It's a three-way tie, by my count, and we default to the name all three ringnames have in common. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:34, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment His real name seems to be Mattias, not Matthew, according to WrestlingData, OWW and FCWProWrestling (not sure if that's official). InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Mattias Clement / Matt Clement If there are conflicting sources regarding the "real name" (profightdb says Matt Clement), all the more we should not move it to the "real name" - and no, FCWPW is not official. Starship.paint (talk) 04:20, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This Facebook profile is WWE official. Calls him Mattias Clement. Sometimes we shouldn't trust WWE to not work us, but I can't see a reason they'd "lie" about this. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:35, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, he never performed in the WWE as Mattias Clement so I can't see anything that the WWE would gain by falsifying his real name.--174.93.163.194 (talk) 07:50, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How do you know if it's official? Just because the username is "OfficialWWE"? Does WWE.com link to that site? Or @MmmGorgeous? Starship.paint (talk) 05:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I can never be 100% sure. But I'd assume WWE lawyers keep an eye out for phony names like that on high-traffic sites. Are there any other similarly-named profiles which are clearly not legit? If not, I think we can give them the benefit of the doubt. If not, that's still the name in the majority of third-party sites. Even ProfightDB just says "Matt", which is common short-form for Mattias. Not a contradiction. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move (January 2014)

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 00:39, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Dalton (wrestler) → ? – "Tyler Breeze" can't be used as either too recent or something else. Birth name should be used, but either Mattias Clement or Matt Clement (wrestler) is all right for me. "Tyler Breeze" isn't, especially when the person's notability is par with many other wrestler. Unless I'm wrong, notability and titling may be connected in some way. Titling may reflect on the person's notability. George Ho (talk) 22:13, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose' Again? The discussion ended only 10 days ago? Why did you open other if we can't find a good name? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:30, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone who thinks the birth name should be used completely misunderstands the fundamentals of Wikipedia's naming conventions. We ALWAYS use the COMMON NAME. No ifs, ands or buts. These discussions are supposed to be about deciding which is the common name. We're not here to decide whether we should just ignore WP:STAGENAME/WP:COMMON because deciding on one is too hard. His birth name is CLEARLY not the common name so it shouldn't even be up for discussion. It's either Mike Dalton or Tyler Breeze. Period. Feedback ☎ 09:33, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If neither nickname is an accurate name, then no nickname should be used, even when a reliable source uses it. That's what COMMONNAMES says. Alas, both nicknames may be accurate. However, if you can't vote in favor of either nickname, then why else opposing the birth name besides not as the "common name"? --George Ho (talk) 09:49, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We have articles like Mark Lomonaco, Devon Hughes or Nelson Frazier, Jr. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 23:54, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support move to Tyler Breeze. It's the common name (while he had a reasonably long run in FCW as "Mike Dalton", I'd argue that he has received far more attention under the name "Tyler Breeze". "Tyler Breeze" is also less ambiguous since there is already an article at "Mike Dalton". McPhail (talk) 21:44, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Move discussion in progress (September 2014)

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There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Bayley (wrestler) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 11:15, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move (October 2014)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to either Tyler Breeze or Mattias Clement, per the discussion below. I'd suggest that future requests draw more explicitly upon evidence of common usage in order to ground arguments in favor of either title. Dekimasuよ! 02:14, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Dalton (wrestler) → Tyler Breeze – Common Name. NXT recieved by far more coverage than FCW, also is a Network TV Program (more people watching than FCW TV). Breeze is a top guy in NXT, wrestled in NXT Specials (even RAW). --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:26, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • I said it once, and I'll say it again. Move to either Mattias Clement or Matt Clement (wrestler). This time, it's not just about conflicting ring names. His notability as "Tyler Breeze" is US-based, and WWE is US wrestling organization. WWE is not even Canadian, yet it invites Canadian wrestlers, like Clement himself. Clement started his wrestling career in Canada as "Mattias Wild" based on his real first name, Mattias. Canadian wrestling organizations may not be as notable as US-based WWE, but they are notable enough. I wonder if Canadians ever heard of "Tyler Breeze" or recognize him as "Tyler Breeze" currently. (I won't say much about Americans.) --George Ho (talk) 13:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Mattias Clement. When multiple pseudonyms have been used, go with his birth name and point the pseudonyms to the birth name. PKT(alk) 14:20, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Mattias Clement again again. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:24, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Matt Clement is a silly move. All the ringnames aren't the same. George Ho. Who the hell cares about his Canadian career? He wrestled in minor independent promotions. As Mike Dalton, he wrestled in a minor promotion. As Breeze, he wrestles in NXT, which Show is in WWE Network, a worldwide digital platform (brodcast area Australia, Brazil, Denmark, Finland, Hong Kong, Iceland, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, and United States). Sourced like PWInsider or PWTorch include reports about NXT. Right now, Clement recieved more exposure as Breeze than Dalton by far, both names aren't comparable to change the name to his real name. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:42, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Somebody cares, or we wouldn't have as much content about his Canadian days as his FCW days as his NXT days. Regardless of who can watch what where and what we think this means for general audiences perceptions of wrestlers, this article is split into thirds. Seems to suggest everything's one third of the total package. So the proper title should be that of the human who made that package, through all those notable things he did.
Ring names should only be common names for wrestlers who get famous enough to have that name widely used. For it to be widely used, it has to be widely known, not just the most common among wrestling fans. If (almost) nobody knows who Tyler Breeze or Mike Dalton or Matthias Wild is, the best way to explain any of those is by explaining they're gimmicks played by a wrestler named Matthias Clement.
Common people see pictures of Terry Bollea and recognize "Hulk Hogan". Same for Rob Szatowski, Leon White and Dwayne Johnson (though yes, Wikipedia has that one wrong). They don't commonly associate this guy with anything, except maybe with being a wrestler. If he ever gets Triple H or even Koko B. Ware famous under a name, that name will be right for the article. But for now, he's hardly known as anyone. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:39, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Three parts aren't equal. He gained more worldwide exposure as Breeze in NXT and the Network than his Canadian part or his FCW part. Other NXT talents with less notable careers (Not Kenta, generico or Devit) are listed by the ring names (Colin Cassady, Corey Graves (11 years as indy wrestler), Bayley (wrestler) (former Shimmer wrestler) or Sylvester Lefort)--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:19, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Those look wrong to me, too, except for Cassady. There, it's almost all about that character. Especially with Keenan (who should be at the other ring name, which the lead says is better known), it seems like recentism. Remember, we're not talking about what the wrestler's called, we're talking about what the article should be called. If nearly all the notable stuff in it is about a character, a character name would reflect that. If it's about a wrestler's career through multiple gimmicks, most of our references would be about the person. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:53, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How are Canadian counterparts less prominent than American ones? --George Ho (talk) 23:28, 21 October 2014 (UTC) (Never mind. --George Ho (talk) 23:38, 21 October 2014 (UTC))[reply]
  • Support move to Tyler Breeze, NXT has a considerably higher profile than did the FCW show and therefore he has received more mainstream exposure under the "Tyler Breeze" name. This is compounded by his appearance on RAW under the name "Tyler Breeze" - a single episode of RAW will have more viewers worldwide than multiple episodes of FCW did. I strongly disagree with using "Mattias Clement" as a compromise. If 50% of people know him as "Mike Dalton" and 50% know him as "Tyler Breeze", clearly one of these title should be used rather than picking a third title by which no-one will know him best, which is totally contrary to naming policy. McPhail (talk) 19:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support move to Tyler Breeze His NXT tenure gave him more exposure than he ever previously had. He has appeared on WWE television under this name and likely will again in the future WP:CBALL, I know, but even if he is released tomorrow I think Breeze is his common name at this point in time.LM2000 (talk) 22:31, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 14 December 2014

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The result of the move request was: move the page to Tyler Breeze, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 06:41, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Dalton (wrestler) → Tyler Breeze – As per consensus at his talk page, and as per WP:COMMONNAME – RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 03:47, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:42, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support - Well, "Tyler Breeze" has become more common than his birth name, Mattias Clement. I am hoping for his birth name to be more prominent, but that hasn't come true. I don't see a need to keep it as "Mike Dalton" anymore. --George Ho (talk) 19:49, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - as per my previous comment - it's a natural disambiguation, and the name under which he received the most exposure. WWE NXT is broadcasted worldwide, when he is Breeze. FCW (TV series) was broadcasted only in Florida, when he was Dalton. Canadian indys were non-television and thus available to only those attending the show live. He appeared on Raw as Tyler Breeze, and that was broadcasted worldwide. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 01:21, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment If a move is opposed then I would hope for a moritorium on requested moves for perhaps a year. GregKaye ✍♪ 06:19, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I hate frequent move requests but I suspect this keeps getting suggested because it is actually his WP:COMMONNAME. His time in NXT really has received a considerable amount of exposure compared to previous ventures.LM2000 (talk) 07:01, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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McGrath

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This ring name references OWOW but we have no explanation in his career as to when he wrestled under that surname. Was it before or after Mike Dalton, for example? Both say FCW, so we should add it somewhere in that section. Ranze (talk) 01:25, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Face of the Rising Sun

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I would like to open a section here requesting input on this nickname. I added it Nov 28 but it was quickly removed. Here are the references I provided:

Breeze, Tyler (5 August 2015). "Breeze promises to vanquish Jushin "Thunder" Liger at TakeOver: WWE.com Exclusive, Aug. 5, 2015". Finn Balor might have won the NXT Championship in Tokyo, but I am the face of the rising sun.
Breeze, Tyler (18 August 2015). "Tyler Breeze addresses accusations of arrogance: WWE.com Exclusive, Aug. 19, 2015". What I like to call it is confidence because I am slowly becoming the face of the rising sun, thanks to Mister Thunder Liger, so you know what? Domo Ari...Gorgeous.

Tyler has on 2 separate episodes, 2 weeks apart, referred to himself as "the face of the rising sun" while talking about how his match with Jushin Thunder Liger will draw Japan's attention to him.

What more do we need? This isn't some off-hand comment he made OOC, it's something that was televised repeatedly and part of a major cross-promotion event. Ranze (talk) 01:02, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the major cross-promotion event, but WWE never mentioned. Only a promo Brezze repeated. We can't include every promo where a wrestler claims to be something. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 01:49, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think we ought to if it happens 2 weeks apart though, that shows regularity. Anywho if it can't go in the nick section I just made mention of it where we described his feud with Liger. Ranze (talk) 23:32, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Tyler Breeze

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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Tyler Breeze's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "WWEProfile":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 23:28, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tyler Breeze Released by WWE

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In a recent set of releases, he was released by WWE in a round of cuts targeting WWE's cruiserweight division. Article needs updating to show this

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