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Get ready it gonna be number1 in the UK. Expect a lot of visits to the page. 80.41.24.62 21:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

The fan club is cool dey do stuff

'unique'?

How can the combination of artists listed be 'unique'? Haven't the Scissor Sisters been compared to each of the others?

He has publicly stated that he will not answer the "are you gay?" question; any claims are mere speculation (citation: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3553.html). Mrstonky 01:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

He has hit Number 1 in Ireland

[1] Take a look. He's now top of the Irish charts. Can someone adjust the page to reflect this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by E-flah (talk • contribs) 16:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC).

Protection

Why is the page protected? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe this is due to the dispute taking place between prominent editors (see above). Mrstonky 06:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Image

Do not add promotional photos to the infobox. Mika is living celebrity making frequent public appearances. As such any promo photo use to just identify him will certainly fall foul of WP:FUC#1. ed g2s • talk 14:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

WTF, so we cant post pics on him yet there' sone on the main page. Hmmmm.....Contradictory I believe.74.195.3.199 18:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
You may be missing ed's point. Fair use can only be claimed if there is no other image source. In this case there is ample opportunity for a copyright-cleared image to be used. Mrstonky 04:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Does anyone have a citation for how to pronounce Mika's name? Is it "mee-kuh" (IPA: miːkʌ) or "my-ka" (maɪkə)? I've noticed that a child calls him "mee-kuh" on the introduction to his song "Lollipop" -- surely there must be a more formal confirmation? — Mrstonky 07:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I know for a fact the latterformer is definitely correct - and I think the voice on the record that may even be his. ed g2s • talk 12:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, it's "meeka". Can't find a citation, but ed's right. also, he's called meeka on the tv and radio. i wonder if he changed from Mica to Mika to stop people pronouncing it "myca". Or maybe someone else had already used the name Mica. ConDemTalk 15:31, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
...But Ed said it was the LATTER, e.g. the second one. I think it's mee-kah though, it's what everyone on the radio seems to be saying. I'm sure someone pretentious enough will come along and start saying "my-kah" sooner or later, and a shift will occur. But until then, it's "mee-kah" I think. 89.213.51.202 18:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
My mistake - I got confused by the second occurence of "mee-kuh". It is "me", not "my". ed g2s • talk 02:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Friday Night Project

My birthday was the 19th and that was a Friday. Mika appeared on the Friday Night Project on Friday 19th January 2007. *Mr. GaRRiSoN 23:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

True, next time be bold. ed g2s • talk 16:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Nationality

Is there a reliable source for this? At the moment we're carefully not mentioning nationality in the article. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 18:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

MIKA

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS to move page, per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 02:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

All the official mentions of his name, in liner notes and on websites, etc., seem to be listing him as MIKA. If we were to move the page there it might make things neater. What does everyone think? Driller thriller 23:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think that we should keep it as it is, partly because it's clearly a new spelling of his birth name, Mica, and partly because I think MIKA is just the way the artist Mika is currently being branded by the record company. The press seem to call him Mika, as welll - all three six of the newspaper reviews linked to in the main article from Life in Cartoon Motion call him "Mika". ConDemTalk 02:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Also, see WP:NC and WP:MOS-TM. ConDemTalk 03:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

"Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment" - while it may not be a registered trademark yet, the same rule applies. ed g2s • talk 16:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

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Page Move

I've proposed over at Talk:Mika (currently a disambiguation page) that this page should be moved to Mika and that page to Mika (disambiguation). Please leave any thoughts there. TSP 00:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Foreigner?!

I'm pretty sure that song "I Just Died (In Your Arms)" is by 'Cutting Crew', so I'm gonna change it :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.128.39.65 (talk) 01:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Any chance of an answer this time rather than just deleting a legitimate question?

Omglolzpwned 16:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

If you want to ask pointless questions, why not go to a gossip site; this is the Talk page of an encyclopædia article, and is for talking about the article, not discussing its subject. Why you need to create a new account for every edit you make, incidentally, is mysterious. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

He's not gay but I got a phone call from him or his representative and he's not gay. He just doesn't want to say he's straight. Basically he wants publicity and milk it for its worth. Now if he came from Manchester aka Gay Nation then I'd believe it.74.195.3.199 18:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Please remember that Wikipedia is about facts not personal opinions (or, indeed, phone messages from ambiguous sources). Mrstonky 04:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I don't think "Manchester AKA Gay Nation is a fact, do you? Don'tClickHerechat / what i've done / email 19:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

It irritates me that someone reverted my edit when I removed the word "typical" from the "typical fag" quotation. What Mika said in the interview was, "I was called the typical fag and all those other homophobic, horrible little comments that kids throw at each other." Clearly he is not saying they called him a typical fag; he is saying they called him a fag, which is a typical insult that kids throw at one another. It's like if you were to say, "As we passed each other we mumbled the typical 'how are you?' and went our separate ways." "Typical" is being used here in precisely the same sense. Technically the original article should have read: "I was called the typical 'fag' and all those other homophobic, horrible little comments that kids throw at each other." Still, it should be obvious! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.36.72.70 (talk • contribs) 05:42, February 14, 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that's obvious at all. Since the comment is ambiguous, it should go in exactly as reported, in my opinion. ConDemTalk 02:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, that's YOUR opinion.74.195.3.199 13:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Was there really any need for that last comment? It's clearly his opinion, seeing as he said it and put "in my opinion" at the end. It wouldn't have been so unnecessary if you'd have said your opinion too. Ian 20:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Mika says that he wants to keep certain parts of his life private citing he doesnt want to lay himself open to the public! [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.139.17 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 3 May 2007

Requested move

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS to move page, per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 07:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Mika (singer) → Mika — Is the only article on the disambig page known only as Mika. Is notable enough to be primary topic, since other articles have surnames, etc., as well. ConDemTalk 04:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey

Add  # '''Support'''  or  # '''Oppose'''  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

Survey - in support of the move

  1. Support - as nominator. The singer is the only person only known as Mika. He's notable enough to warrant being the primary topic. ConDemTalk 05:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support by User:Paul Erik - made at Talk:Mika before the discussion was moved here. "I agree that almost everyone typing in "Mika" would be looking for the singer, and also agree that he is certainly notable enough. Under the terms of Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Primary_topic, Mika the singer would constitute the "primary topic"."
  3. Support - Mika has had a UK number one album and number one singles in the UK and Ireland. As none of the other articles linked to would in fact be called 'Mika', I believe that this fulfils the requirements to become a Primary Topic. TSP 18:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey - in opposition to the move

  1. Oppose by User:Prolog - made at Talk:Mika before the discussion was moved here. "That seems short-sighted, as the singer seems to have been famous only for few months and mainly in the UK, not to mention that pop stars' careers are often over very quickly. Häkkinen has been referred to as "Mika" for 15 years, and still the media often simply uses his first name, such as here and here (from the last 24 hours). This seems to be common with many Finns, because Mika is short and easy to pronounce whereas the Finnish last name often is not. There is also the Armenian football team FC MIKA. Therefore, I do not think this singer has become the primary meaning for "Mika" yet. The singer's entry could be moved on top of the Mika list, instead. Although, when it comes to singing Mikas, Mika Nakashima seems to be even more notable."
  2. Oppose Very common given name in Japan. Apparently common in Finland too (although I have no information about that). No reason for a singer to monopolize the article title. Fg2 20:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  3. Weak oppose If it were just a collection of names I would probably support this, but considering the FC MIKA entry (which is also conceivably called just Mika) I would say it's probably best just to leave the disambiguation page in place, as there's no way to guarantee this is the primary topic. I would also say this is a bit of recentism. GassyGuy 21:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  4. Oppose - I think it's safe to say that in English-speaking countries overall, the relative popularity of the UK singer versus the F1 driver is a no-brainer. Also, perhaps a move to Mika (UK singer) or something similar, per Mika Nakashima mentioned above. Neier 23:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
    I don't think we need to specify "UK" in Mika (singer)'s article title if he's kept where he is, since people typing in "Mika" will go to the disambig page anyway... That would only be true if there were two singers called simply "Mika". ConDemTalk 00:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  5. Oppose - Mika is a fairly common given name, and the singer has only been around for five minutes. PC78 23:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  6. Oppose - There is an Austrian band by the name Mika that have had 3 albums. Trieste 21:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  7. Weak oppose - Not critical, but the commonality of the name would make such a move too problematic. John Smith's 14:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  8. Oppose Mika is a very common Japanese first name. It is like Jennifer or Sarah. As can be seen from the long list at Mika, there is much to be disambiguated. None of them should be the default Mika. The status-quo seems to be suitable. Bendono 15:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

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  1. Why is the mika fan club not in the links? this is BY FAR the most popular, powerful and informative Mika site on the net. Go and check the members, mika tour information, Mika news sections and then compare them to the other sites you link to.

Also, the french forum you are linking to, is not only almost dead, but it is clearly designed to sell products. There are over 100 e Mika interviews on the fan club as well. Do not be put off by the words "Fan club", it is pretty much the official site these days. Even Mika reads it!

The reason is that there are MANY press releases and bits of additional information that are not available via the main site or indeed this wikipedia page. Rather than link to hundreds of forum threads and press releases it makes sense to send people there. Aside from the way it is organised (being that it is more like a forum) there is more information on that site than in this wiki article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.195.160.59 (talk • contribs).

I don't know who this is, and don't have time to muck about with page history, etc. The big question is: why does an encyclopædia article need to link to all the press releases put out by publicity people on behalf of a pop artist? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Generally articles on an artist provide links to their official sites. The "fan club" has up to date postings on things such as recent chart position, which isn't on the other two sites. As for choosing the MySpace page over the official homepage, both use but don't require flash (the menu degrades to an image map) and both are "adverts" for the artist. ed g2s • talk 13:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, if it doesn't require flash that's fine. The fan club site (why the inverted commas? that's what it calls itself) is still a problem; there's nothing to indicate that it's reliable, and it's unclear why a minor pop artist needs links to three promotional sites. As we're not in the business of ensuring that our readers get instantaneous news about pop-chart positions, what justifies its presence? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 13:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

It's run by the record company and is a useful resource. Three links is hardly excessive. We may not be in the business of providing news, but we still put up WikiNews links. ed g2s • talk 16:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Fine — I think that you're wrong, but I don't have the energy to fight more teenybopper music fans. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Now ed g2s wants to edit-war over deleting part of my comment. Note that editing another editor's comments is strongly deprecated, amd can lead to an editing block, unless the comment involves an extreme personal attack (and even then it's not usually done). The claim that "teenybopper music fan" is highly offensive in Cambridge is peculiar, and to the best of my knowledge false. Don't confuse personal sensitivities with facts. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 12:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
It is generally considered offensive in the UK and according to our article. There's no need to be uncivil. "Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks will not help you make a point". ed g2s • talk 13:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

If you again change my comment, I shall ask another admin to look at the case and block you from editing if he or she agrees that you're unnecessarily editing another editor's comment. You might find my comment mildly uncivil, though I disagree; that's still not good grounds to edit my comment. Even aside from the fact that our article is misleading, it says that the term is mildly derogatory; applied to music, it may be, from some points of view, but to think that being called a fan of such music is sufficiently offensive to edit-war over is simply absurd. I suggest that you find something useful to do. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 13:15, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no need to make such comments at all. It is very uncivil, and used in a derogatory context. Furthermore, I am neither a teen, a 'teenybopper', a fan of 'teenyboppers' nor a fan of 'teenybopper music'. ed g2s • talk 14:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, I've asked other admins to look at this. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I request that you remove your incivil comments towards me, as this is not the place to air such views. ed g2s • talk 15:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Mel, I am dead serious, if you want any progress to be made, you're going to have to stop the personal comments about the contributors. They do not accomplish anything for the article, and they cause nothing but trouble. Even if you absolutely loathe certain people, you'll have to keep it to yourself. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker 17:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Mel's comment not only appears to be a deliberate put-down but also (to me) appears to indicate Mel thinks he is editing in an unbiased way to make wikipedia better in contrast to others who are editing based on trying to promote things they are fans of. It is more than an insult, it is an accusation of biased editing. Over whether or not a couple of external links are added or not. Sometimes I think Mel editing when he can't sleep is a wonderful thing for wikipedia. Sometimes I think he should take a break when he feels like "I don't have the energy" and come back when he feels better. Mel, can we continue to benefit from your wonderful contributions, but get a little less of this kind of thing? WAS 4.250 17:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I find both these comments peculiar, if only for their emotional burden ("absolutely loathe"?), messedrocker's implication that I make a habit of personally attacking editors, and Was 4.250's personal comments about me in the course of attacking me for making personal comments. And all for a non-derogatory phrase to which one user has taken extreme, and to my eyes inexplicable, exception (something on which at least one other editor agrees with me, as the edit history of the page indicates).
It's a pretty unshakeable part of Wikipedia etiquette that one doesn't delete other people's comments on a Talk page; this holds even in many cases where genuine and deep incivility has been committed. Perhaps Messedrocker and Was 4.250 might like to consider that aspect of this situation, if and when the pleasure of wagging their fingers at me wears off. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
There is Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks, which I believe ed_g2s was trying to invoke in good faith. The page points out that this is a controversial practice. Anyways, let's recognize that it was done with the best intentions and try to get back on task before this whole thing derails into pointless bickering. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker 20:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with your last point, wholeheartedly. It might be worth ed_g2s' reading the essay (not policy or even guideline) Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks a little more carefully, though, as it contains a number of reasons for his not editing the comment in question. Still, it would be nice if we could all get back to real editing. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:26, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of whether or not personal attacks should be removed from other people's comments (I continue to believe they should be) - you really ought to take some time to reflect on whether you should be making such comments in the first place. I (and others here) seem to think not... ed g2s • talk 03:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

And I (and others) disagree. You might want to check the response to your posting to WP:AN/I for an apt description of the fuss that you're making here: a princess in search of a pea. That two people – one of whom, at least, is not an entirely disinterested party – are prepared to exclaim over the size of the nasty pea and remonstrate with me for placing it under your mattresses is no surprise at Wikipedia, but signifies nothing. This is all a ridiculous waste of time (if you really feel that the comment was so deeply hurtful, I'm surprised that you want to bring so many people's attention to it; if you'd ignored it, no-one would have noticed). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I only posted on WP:AN because you said you had already contacted other admins - and if that was the case it should be done properly (you made no contributions after that so I assumed you contact someone privately). Seeing as you seem to have a history of such stubborn behaviour - it seems trying to get you to acknowledge mistakes is going to be a waste of time. ed g2s • talk 13:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Gawd, what is with all of this? The comment was clearly uncalled for and has nothing to do with the relevance of a fan site. The removing of the comment was uncalled for as well since everyone gets mad when their comments gets edited as well. Best thing to do would to just ignore such comments that really has nothing to do with the discussion whatsoever. This really illustrates what wikipedia is nowaydas. "This is my article! *reverts*", "No!, It's mine! *doublereverts*" etc —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.17.141.53 (talk) 07:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

ref the MikaFanClub.com - clearly this should not be included in the main part of the page. But to omit it from the links section is crazy. It is by far the biggest source of Mika information on the net, it is ten times bigger and more popular than even the official Mika Sounds site.

It doesn't deserve a mention on the main section, but to leave out the site that Mika himself reads, is a terrible admin error.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.26.177.236 (talk • contribs) 07:55, 29 April 2007

I agree that Mikafanclub.com should be used as a link! Mika himself reads the site! it is run by mikas record company, and provides the latest dates or changes to those dates of his shows! User:LizaRosa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.139.17 (talk • contribs) 18:03, 3 May 2007

Profanity

In short: Wikipedia does not censor profanity, unless you're quoting the exact text which was already censored. In that case, content is quoted verbatim. See Wikipedia:Profanity. GregorB 21:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Bebo site

The following link http://michaelhpenniman.bebo.com/ was recently added to the article. This will have to be removed under WP:EL policy, but I am curious if this link, given its name, would shed some light on the question of Mika's birth name being Michael Holbrook Penniman (see discussion further up this page). Could a bebo member check if this is a legitimate site? --Paul Erik 03:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Its all a bit suspicious to me! all the detail on the bebo site is just little bitsy! its all dribble! i dont think this is a real mika! from what i can tell this is not Mika instead an poser!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.136.142 (talk • contribs) 06:55, 6 May 2007

The MIKA Fan Club Is The Greatest And Largest MIKA Website In The World. This Is Why I Would Like To Know Why The Largest Fan Club On The Web Would Not Be Listed On Here. Now I'm Sure There Is A Logical Reason For The Removal Of MIKAfanclub.com But I'd Like To Really Know, Why Has The MIKAfanclub Been Removed?--[55] 01:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

well, you made a questionable edit and just added your website in without discussion, that's basically considered vandalism.Imasleepviking 02:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, no, this is nothing against the good people at the MIKA Fan Club, which by all accounts is a popular fan forum. (We will also have to remove the French fan forum, which I know has been a bone of contention.) The problem is nothing with the site or the edits. It is Wikipedia policy, which says that any fan forums or other discussion forums are not to be added to articles here. You can see the complete set of guidelines on external links at WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided. The idea basically is that Wikipedia is an encyclopædia, not a directory of links. The official record company link is allowed to remain under WP policy, so anyone coming here and following that link (mikasounds.com) will be able to find fan forums from that website. --Paul Erik 02:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Oh, Well Then Okay. I Was Speaking On Behalf Of The MIKA Fan Club, They Thought It Was Unfair About The French Fan Club Being There, But Ours Wasn't. Thank You, And I'll Relay The Message To Them. Thanks Again For Treating Us Equally.[55] 03:25, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Image2

The main image is terrible, its a cropped picture of him and someone else cutting out whoever it was, it loosk unprofessional, surely its possible to find a better one? Zephyr 20:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The only other picture available currently on Wikimedia Commons is this one. If there is a better one on Flickr, you could upload it to Wikimedia Commons, assuming the photographer has used the appropriate licensing option.--Paul Erik 01:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Lebanon = Australia?

At present, the article reads:

"Lebanon-born" (...) "born in Noosa, Australia"

Which would be the correct statement? Mip | Talk 14:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Ignore. The article was corrected while I was posting on this Talk Page. Mip | Talk 14:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Infobox photograph

I went to the V festival on Sunday and got a few great pictures of Mika. I have replaced the infobox picture with one I took. Does anyone think it's a worse picture? I'm still going through the pics I took so I'll probably upload some more so they'll be more to choose from. :-).

Seraphim Whipp 11:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the one that you put in the infobox is an improvement. Nicely done! --Paul Erik 02:41, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

PERCUSSION

MIKA PLAYS PERCUSSION ON THE SINGLE BIG GIRL YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL. I HAVE GOT IT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.61.25 (talk) 10:57, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Correction needed

the article states his first single was Grace Kelly in 2006. It was Relax, Take It Easy in 2006. Vauxhall1964 00:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC). - In Holland (don't know in other countries), was Grace Kelly released in late 2006. Relax, Take it Easy was released before (fall 2006), but did not hit the charts. Relax became his first Holland's number 1 right after Grace Kelly (spring 2007)

Now corrected Vauxhall1964 (talk) 01:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Discographie charts !!!

The single LOVE TODAY is ranked #4 in Belgium, but their stand that it hasn't anything !!!!! So it needs to be #4 !!!!!!!!!!

Demarre-nikke 08:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC) Demarre-nikke

New Madonna Album? I think not!

The "Music" section of the article claims he is working on Madonna's new album (due November 2007). However, Madonna's upcoming album is a hip hop/R'n'B genre and Mika's music is not in that genre. The only CONFIRMED artists/producers working on Madonna's new album are Timbaland, Pharrell Williams, and Justin Timberlake. -SparqueSparque —Preceding unsigned comment added by Recoveringmormon (talk • contribs) 19:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Plus, the album will be released April 2008. That should also be corrected (if the whole section isn`t deleted first, that is.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.37.184.223 (talk) 22:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

main aims in musical career

I have added a couple of sentences. It is important that the encyclopedia does not appear to give only a list of trivial information and statistics. It is important that the article say what he thinks he is doing with his songs and why. Johncmullen1960 (talk) 08:41, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

agreed. it is always good not to be just statistics. though on the other hand we shouldn't overrun it with trivia. not saying you did that, just finishing a thought.

about your addition, it seems correct, but it would also be great if you could add some sources to it. the two songs have obvious meaning, but we could use a source on his mother and his view of it. is it maybe in an interview in "live in cartoon motion"? Donny (talk) 20:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Band?

It says "his band consists of...", so is he a solo singer? Or is "MIKA" a band? Bit confusing... 89.213.51.202

If it had said: "his family consists of..." would that mean that he was a family not an individual? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Mel seems to have missed the point. This is a very legitimate question. It seems very clear that Mika is not a band name, but that he is working as a solo artist. Therefore I have changed this dubious reference.--203.2.182.254 04:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

What happened to the section listing his backup band members? They've been touring with him consistently since last year, and are an important part of the show!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.101.241 (talk) 13:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

His birth name

According to sources such as Metacritic, Mika's name at birth was Michael Holbrook Penniman. But editors have repeatedly removed that name from this article. Reasons, comments? Thanks, --Paul Erik 19:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Born "Michael Holbrook", uses "Mica", stage name "Mika", styled "MIKA" but we don't capitalise (see discussion above). ed g2s • talk 11:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I can't edit because I'm not a registered user, but the reason it gets removed is that it's NOT HIS NAME. At the very beginning, some reporters got him confused with his father, who is indeed Michael Holbrook Penniman, and then this was repeated in "news" sources, so that's why "official" sites list it as such. But if you google it properly, you will find that it's his father's name.

Here's a link where you can see his father (scroll down):

http://www.terrapinn.com/2005/peme/SpeakerList.stm

Here's an interview that accurately lists his birth name (Mica Penniman):

http://www.sundayherald.com/life/people/display.var.1168421.0.bohemian_rhapsody.php

Here's a quote from Mika on the subject of his name:

"Is MIKA really your name? Does MIKA mean anything?

It's actually my real name [Mica]. All of my siblings have exotic names, my sister Paloma (a dove) my brother Fortuna for which means lucky in French for example. I got saddled with a name that means plastic bag in Morocco, curse of the middle child!"

http://www.hunkdujour.com/blog/archives/2007/01/mika_pop_star_of_2007.asp

Please do edit this to clear up confusion. --AnonMikafan

Thank you for explaining and providing sources. Certainly, Wikipedia should not be contributing to the spread of misinformation resulting from some reporters' confusion. (They confused him with his father?!) But honestly I am not sure what to do, because, even though you put "news" sources in quotes, these are some rather reliable sources stating that his original name was Michael Holbrook Penniman, including the New York Times, and others.[3][4][5][6] If someone could provide a source that says something about reporters confusing his name with his father's, that would of course be best. --Paul Erik 13:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I can see your concern, though what you ask is admittedly difficult (I first learned of the name mixup through fans who've met him, not any news source). I actually think the New York Times were the first ones to start the confusion of names, and everybody else followed suit. If it helps, there are several other factual errors in that article, like getting the name of his song (and new single) "Love Today" wrong--they call it "Everybody's Gotta Love," which isn't indicative of very good fact-checking. I will try to find more sources though. --AnonMikafan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.52.215.117 (talk) 00:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC).
Your point about the Times getting a song title wrong is well taken. Please do try to find a reliable source about this mix-up of his name, though. The first link you provided established that there is someone named Michael Penniman; it did not establish that Mika's father is Michael Holbrook Penniman, and the possibility remains that Mika was initially named Michael Holbrook, then called Mica to distinguish him from his father, then chose the name Mika as his stage name. --Paul Erik 03:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, still have not found a source that talks about the confusion. Though I can point out that never does Mika refer to being called Michael in interviews when he talks about his childhood, though he does refer to his name "Mica" being mispronounced as Mykah or Mischa. Also, I found this childhood school photo of him that lists his name as "Mica Penniman":
http://a652.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/54/l_8151b3b3555382f054c0f6dd8ad55f03.jpg
Surely it is most likely that they'd use his full name for a school photo like that? --AnonMikafan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.6.30.205 (talk) 10:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC).
Good effort, I say. The photo you linked to, which is on a MySpace account, does not count as a reliable source under Wikipedia policy, but you probably know that. And for whatever it is worth, I do think it is possible that a school photo would use the name by which he was most frequently referred, and not necessarily the name that was on his birth certificate. Anyway, I encourage you to keep hunting! --Paul Erik 04:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I had thought of that. It's all rather frustrating! I doubt he is likely to go "by the way, let me explain about my birth name" in any upcoming interviews. I have asked people who will be attending his shows and have video cameras to ask him about it and put his response on Youtube, which is the best I can do for now. Hopefully if someone asks and he actually answers, this will be "official" enough. ;-) --AnonMikafan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.52.215.117 (talk) 00:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC).
I've now been informed that Michael Holbrook Penniman might in fact be his real name despite everything else, but this is unlikely to be confirmed. I guess the page is good as it is right now, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.52.215.117 (talk • contribs) 19:14, 2 June 2007
Mika has finally confirmed that Mica is his birth name in an interview. "My real name is Mica. Spelt with a 'c'. My dad is called Michael. He wanted me to be called Michael but my mother said over her dead body. She wasn't too into the whole junior thing."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIpq32ihsPE LondonEmbers 23:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Actually it's turned out that on legal records, he does list his name as Michael Holbrook Penniman. That's how it's listed under "composer" on his Relax single, and that's how it's listed here: http://repertoire.bmi.com/writer.asp?page=1&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&fromrow=1&torow=25&affiliation=BMI&cae=477236431&keyID=976175&keyname=PENNIMAN%20MICHAEL%20HOLBROOK&querytype=WriterID
--AnonMikafan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.138.190.163 (talk) 11:20, August 23, 2007 (UTC)
If Mika himself says his real name is Mica and not Michael that must be the only most reliable source!
Ha, he is tricky. He never said what his legal birth name was. My "real" name is different from my legal birth name too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.90.24 (talk) 07:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
No it is really not tricky at all. Mika tolled that his father wanted him to be called Michael Junior, but his mother refused the whole Junior ting and they decided to call him Mica instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.107.15.165 (talk) 21:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Additional Recordings/Trivia section

An additional recordings or trivia section should be added, and it should make mention of Mika recording the opening jingle for Blast from the Past from Hamish & Andy, an Australian radio show. Or else it could be put anywhere else that it fits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ralphy512 (talk • contribs) 05:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Secondcoming Album

Can someone please edit that section? It's driving me crazy that the grammer and spelling are so messed up ("oficial"). Thanks! Meowmatilda (talk) 01:15, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Fan Club

The fan club keeps being removed. The site is together with the record label and is relevant to those who support Mika. Please stop removing it. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Itrends (talk • contribs).

It has also been discussed in detail below and deemed useful and relevant to have due to the press and dates etc it contains which the other sites do not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.195.160.59 (talk • contribs) 15:36, February 16, 2007 (UTC)

The Mika Fan Club has been agreed by Mika to be the official fan club/forum. An announcement is pending, but it is official. Aaurora (talk) 07:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Right Place, Right Time?

This is baldly mentioned in the discography linking to a missing article. Googling finds lots of references to a 2004 album of that name by Mika which the article leaves out altogether

http://www.google.com/search?q=mika%20%22right%20place%20right%20time

Is this a different Mika? — ciphergoth 16:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

That's Mika the Austrian electronic-music duo (see their AMG profile here), no relation to this Mika. --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 18:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. From the Amazon page it looks like lots of disappointed fans of this Mika bought that Mika's album! — ciphergoth 09:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
It is not Wikipedia's job to "warn" people about the other Mika, no matter how obvious the amazon page looks, it is quite an unreliable thing to cite. Furthermore, this article is not a disambig page. EditorInTheRye (talk) 15:25, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Uhm, can someone please remove "GAY!!!!!" from the bottom of the page?

Like the title says, at the bottom of the page, following External links and Mika wikilinks, there is an unnecessary, and perhaps offensive, remark: "GAY!!!!!". While I have nothing against said lifestyle, I consider the context of this exclamation inappropriate. Please have it removed.

Thank you.

MS

It has been removed. Though I was a bit confuzed when I looked it wasn't there. So I checked the Mika template page, and it was there before. But someone already removed it. I presume you tried removing it yourself but couldn't find it. Resolved anyway :) Donny (talk) 12:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Important! This is a biography

I tried posting this before, but there hasn't been any action. Since this is a protected article, I can't do anything about it, but the drawing of conclusions in the following paragraph is potentially libelous (particularly the inferences in the second part):

"Nonetheless, in the space of six months he appeared as a cover story and has given a lengthy interview to the prominent US gay magazine Out in which he stated that there "is a way of discussing sexuality without using labels." [18] The magazine has suggested that Mika's unwillingness to declare his sexuality may be a deliberate publicity ploy. Further, both Out and the British magazine Gay Times have pointed out that very few (if any) artists who have refused to discuss their sexuality have ultimately been straight.[19][20]"

It is okay to say that he appeared in gay magazines, but to then infer that because said magazines argue that people who most often say they're not gay actually are is not proper according to Wikipedia guidelines. He has spoken on the issue frequently, and Wikipedia can only report that numerous publications have speculated that he is gay but Mika has neither confirmed or denied it. Anything beyond that is unencyclopedic. --84.194.59.52 (talk) 23:23, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

New information needed to be added

I dont how to edit the page properly so im asking someone to please add his win at the recent Ivor Novello Award where he won the Songwriter of the Year. source is the official website and can be confirmed by going on http://www.theivors.org/awards.html Thanks for everything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.42.23.72 (talk) 21:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Mika's voice like Mercury's voice?

I don't agree, that's an improbable commercial figment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.10.53.69 (talk) 18:25, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Photo

just added a Photo and it's source, so I removed the 'this article should have a photo' bit. Black_Mesa (t | e | c) —The preceding comment was added on 11:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Missing URL

I tried the URL "Scissor sisters slam Mika" but got a "404 Page not found", so I removed it. However, another user appearantly got it working. Sorry, I was too hasty in deleting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.227.104.115 (talk) 19:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Indie?

How is Mika Indie anything? I'm removing this. There's no way Mika could be classified as indie. Blindeffigy (talk) 23:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Mika / Mica

The sentence which references footnote 6 claims that Mika changed his name because people often mis-pronounced his given name. This is not supported by the article used as a reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.23.228.2 (talk) 13:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

You're right; thanks for pointing that out. I found an article in The Gold Coast Bulletin that does support that claim, so I have substituted it. I'm just hoping that the Bulletin was not using this Wikipedia article as its source. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 03:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation Page

New Zealand has our own Mika, also gay, and also an entertainer. There may need to be a disambiguation page set up to deal with this, given that someone will eventually write an entry for our own version. Calibanu (talk) 05:20, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

The New Zealand Mika can just be added under the Mika disambiguation page. With his full name or another name as his article name. Almost every hit to the Mika page are for Mika (singer) due to his popularity, so this page name should stay as it is. Sexuality should have nothing to do with it. Thanks, Freshpop (talk) 20:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Sexuality

I have removed, "A number of articles claim that Mika is gay." The supposed reference was only a single article, so it clearly didn't support the claim. (Technically, "a number of" could mean "one", but that would be an idiosyncratic interpretation.) Furthermore, the actual phrase the article used was "gay pop sensation". This could be referring to his music as "gay pop", rather than referring to him as gay.

I have also removed the mention of childhood taunts. Actually, this would be relevant to a section on his childhood, but not directly relevant to the section on his sexuality. A playground bully calling someone a "faggot" can hardly be considered a reliable source.

I've also removed the quote from Chris Taylor's entertainmentwise.com article, which only quoted the Daily Mirror quoting Mika. It's too much like a game of Chinese Whispers. -- Oliver P. 22:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Come on does it matter if he's gay?He music is amazing and I personally love it.So please stop discussing it.AFTER THIS,BIG GIRL [U R BEATIFUL]HINT!!!!!!I mean seriously.OK no more talk about it.THE END.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.21.62.140 (talk) 15:31, 26 April 2007 (UTC).
I agree 100%. -- Chris as I am Chris 15:34, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
When a celebrity states he does not want to discuss his sexual orientation with the media, one must be careful in an encyclopaedic article how to deal with that. So the discussion on the talk page, by Oliver P. and others, is, in my view, completely legitimate. (And, let's be honest, Mika is fueling these very types of discussions by refusing to give a straight answer.) Actually, the discussion here has been rather restrained—compared to, say, a similar discussion on Talk:Anderson Cooper.--Paul Erik 21:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Historically, when a singer refuses to discuss their orientation or states he/she is asexual that is code for same sex orientation. Not that there is anything wrong with it...--68.51.72.144 (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
On http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/music-gigs/features/article2178632.ece, a friend of Mika's states that he is "pretty sure Mika is at least bisuexual". Shouldn't that be added?--luukbom 9:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Out had Mika on the cover last year and did a story about him. Did it address the issue of his sexuality and his ambiguity about addressing it? FearlessFool 13:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

There is far too much about his sexuality - it's out of proportion with the rest of the article. It would be enough just to mention that there is speculation, but mika himsef has not confirmed that he's gay62.203.129.218 (talk) 17:45, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

MIKA's Girlfriend Discovered it is a 19 year old girl who was loved him and they recently mover in together in england manchester and they are willing to have a baby. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.28.25.133 (talk) 16:15, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

"Nonetheless, in the space of six months he appeared as a cover story and has given a lengthy interview to the prominent US gay magazine Out in which he stated that there "is a way of discussing sexuality without using labels." [18] The magazine has suggested that Mika's unwillingness to declare his sexuality may be a deliberate publicity ploy. Further, both Out and the British magazine Gay Times have pointed out that very few (if any) artists who have refused to discuss their sexuality have ultimately been straight.[19][20]"
Okay, the sources are cited, but this is a POV inclusion. If he says he's gay, fine, but it is against Wiki policy to say, "Well, he refuses to admit it, but Gay Times points out that artists who say won't admit it are." This is unencyclopedic. Wikipedia is not the place to out people based on conclusionary logic. I looked through his articles in other European languages and it's not an issue. Why should it be here? Let his music speak for itself and draw you own conclusions unless there is verifiable information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.194.59.52 (talk) 00:48, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Mika's sexuality is not important. I listened to him express surprise in an interview that in this day and age it would be an issue. Most likely he is gay but so what? If he doesn't want it discussed it should not be included. --Robertsmom0 (talk) 15:14, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

let people have fun no matter what their sexuality :) freedom is what you choose. Markthemac (talk) 01:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Nathanid added a bit to the quote - and it seems that his efforts on wikipedia are following a distinctly bisexual bent - adding in a link or comment to that effect on many articles. I'm temporarily reverting his edits, until suitable corroboration can be found. Bo-Lingua (talk) 22:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

That part of the quote was removed in some vandalism a while ago, and it wasn't noticed. I should really be put back. Freshpop (talk) 22
44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Reworded a section on his sexuality.

Previously, the section read:

In September 2009 he reportedly came out as bisexual in an interview with the magazine Gay & Night. Although he stated "I've never ever labeled myself. But having said that; I've never limited my life, I've never limited who I sleep with. (…) Call me whatever you want. Call me bisexual, if you need a term for me." Leaving the question open ended with, "you should be as free as you want."

Which, is ridiculous, because Mika doesn't come out as bisexual, but rather is expressing his dislike of labels. He could just as easily be describing pansexuality or polysexuality, than bisexuality. In addition he doesn't label himself bisexual, but uses it as a throwaway term after telling people to call him whatever they want. As such, I've reworded the section so it's more neutral according to Wiki standards, and reflects his quote more than an editor's opinion.

In a September 2009 interview in Gay & Night, Mika commented on his sexuality: "I've never ever labeled myself. But having said that; I've never limited my life, I've never limited who I sleep with... Call me whatever you want. Call me bisexual, if you need a term for me." Leaving the question open ended with, "you should be as free as you want."

24.190.34.219 (talk) 02:46, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, he’s expressing his dislike of labels, but there is no avoiding th fact that he clearly came out in this interview.
By saying “I've never limited who I sleep with.” Means he’s slept with both females and males, which despite his dislike of lables is called being bisexual, hence why he said “Call me bisexual.” He may not like the lable, but of course he’s going to fit under one of them, and that is exactly what he means. If he was describing either pansexuality or polysexuality then he would have said that rarther than bisexual.
I'm going to leave this how it is, but I’m going to remove the “Leaving the question open ended with,” Because if anything it’s the answer which is open ended, and it’s not open ended. Freshpop (talk) 22:40, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
By saying “I've never limited who I sleep with.” Means he’s slept with both females and males, which despite his dislike of lables is called being bisexual
Actually, one) sleeping with both males and females also falls under the label of pansexuality and polysexuality not just bisexuality, and two) "I've never limited who I sleep with" doesn't only include men and women but can also include transgendered and omnigendered individuals. I'm not saying he didn't come out in the statement. What I'm saying is he does not self identify as bisexual in the statement. Saying you can call him whatever you want is not self identifying, nor is then using a throwaway term so people can better understand him. It is not the place of anyone to assign a label to someone who himself does not identify with the label, especially in terms of sexuality, regardless of whatever opinions you may have. If there is a quote where he explicitly says "I am bisexual" then please do include it. Till then, we should only quote him exactly and refrain from interpreting the statement with our own labels (or our own limited views on sexuality). There are people who sleep with men and women but exclusively self identify as only gay or only straight, and despite what you may think not all these individuals are in denial or closeted. Someone's sexuality is a personal thing that doesn't always neatly fit into others' understanding of sexuality. I'm sure Mika is well aware of the definitions of bisexual, et al. If he hasn't found a word that he believes adequately describes how he views himself, how can you? Let him be whatever he wants to be and not be forced to fit himself into how other people view/understand the world.24.190.34.219 (talk) 00:23, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Jojolalune, 30 January 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Mika has begun starting recording his new album. He has states... The correct grammar is "He has stated" and not "he has states" in the last paragraph! Thank you. Jojolalune (talk) 18:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Done Also, that whole section badly needs sources. In general, future speculation (about upcoming albums, movies, etc.) is frowned upon unless very well sourced. While I personally believe the info should be removed unless sourced, I went ahead and just added an "unreferenced section" tag, and hope that someone can provide proper references for the info, especially Mika's claims about the style of the new article and the projected release date. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:39, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Mgsdude, 25 May 2011

The line beginning with His sister Yasmine, who works as an artist under the nom de plume DaWack, painted the cartoon art for his two albuns Life in Cartoon Motion and The Boy Who Knew Too Much. The word Album is spelt incorrectly and needs adjustment


Mgsdude (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Mdigney, 20 June 2011

Please change "Birth name: Michael Holbrook Penniman" to "Birth name: Mica Holbrook Penniman." In this interveiw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYqVkErQWKs Mika states that his birth name is Mica. He changed the spelling of it, due to constant improper pronunciation.


Mdigney (talk) 15:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jnorton7558 (talk) 00:03, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Cheyennepenniman, 30 June 2011

Mika's third album will be called "The Origin of Love" NOT The Origin of Life . It says so here : http://www.authoritydesign.com/mika/articleparisenmika.jpg .

Cheyennepenniman (talk) 13:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Done Also already elsewhere in the article as Love. Jnorton7558 (talk) 03:19, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Main Photo

The main photo has been changed to a headshot which is grainy and low quality. Sure its a nice photo of Mika smiling but i don't feel it represents him as a singer. Can it be changed back to an earlier photo, i haven't figured out how to crrectly edit photos without getting all tied up in red tape yet?? Happyfeijoa (talk) 01:24, 6 August 2010 (UTC) _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Would I be allowed to use a picture editor like photoshop to enhance the main picture? Maybe make it brighter and make his teeth whiter? I would still give credit to whoever put the picture up. -Abby —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.159.150 (talk) 02:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC) --122.176.206.131 (talk) 12:00, 21 August 2011 (UTC) ___________________________________________________________________________________________--

Can we put a new picture for the main photo ? This one is of bad quality and anyway, it's pretty old. Mika doesn't look like that anymore.

Edit request: Heart-Shaped Box?

Could anyone specify the reference for Mika being infuenced by Nirvana's "Heart-shaped box" ? The Daily Mirror's cited article only mentions Mika's first song, but says nothing about Nirvana. Cambruosi (talk) 07:21, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Good catch. Looking back in the edit history, it appears it was first introduced in this edit in July 2007. Considering the editor also wrote that Mika's nickname was "Cameron", it looks very dubious. Too bad it has survived in the article for over four years. Ugh. I'm removing it. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 00:58, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Headache123, 7 September 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Please change the sentence that states that Mika is British. He was born in Beirut to a Lebanese mother and an American father.When he was one year old his family moved to Paris. The family then moved to London when he was nine years old. I don't see how this qualifies him as British. British based, yes.I base my opinion on the fact that I was born in London to Italian parents but have never been accepted myself as British although I hold a British passport and I was born in England. I see this as Mika being misappropriatedly considered British due to his stardom.

Headache123 (talk) 18:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. Does he hold British citizenship? Once you've established that he doesn't, please provide reliable sources that will back up your statement and indicate of which country does he hold citizenship. I've tlped the edit request template. Please remove the tlp once you've provided sources. Cheers, Bejinhan talks 09:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

So is anyone who lives in London a British citizen unless we have sources that say they are not, regardless of parentage and place of birth? Clearly he wasn't a British citizen at birth. We have sources saying his father was American so he would be a US citizen automatically through the normal operation of US law, so unless he has renounced citizenship he still is (my view is that we can say he's a US citizen unless there are sources to say he has actually applied to renounce it). He would also probably have gained Lebanese citizenship at birth too although I don't know about their local laws. He may have applied for (or had an application put in on his behalf for) French citizenship during his time there too. He is only a British citizen if he has actually put in an application at some point (he would qualify to apply through length of residence although this would be somewhat pointless if he already had EU citizenship from France), so my view is that there needs to be a source that says he is a citizen rather than one that says he's not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.58.195.85 (talk) 07:20, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

The Guardian has stated that Mika is eligible for the British artist categories of the BRIT Awards because he holds a British passport. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/jan/14/news. I think regardless of whether he does in fact hold a British passport or whether he identifies himself as a Brit culturally, he should still be described as a "British songer-songwriter". That is his classification as a member of the British Academy of Songwriters, Composers and Authors, a winner of an Ivor Novello Award, a winner of the BRITS British Breakthrough Act, etc. LondonEmbers (talk) 23:46, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Clearly, he might be considered British. Bus should he? It would not be my first guess. Has he ever proclaimed himself to be British? Does he have an American passport? A Lebanse one? Why is his place of birth not mentioned in the first sentence? 83.86.1.3 (talk) 21:21, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
The New York Times refers to him as British [7]. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 03:50, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

All the comments on this issue are irrelevant. The lack of high quality music from England nowadays would make the BRIT awards or anything else give the "British" title to anyone who is successful and has spent more than a day in UK. But trully, regardless what citizenship you have or what you consider yourself, Mika, technically, is an American Lebanese singer, living - i suppose - in the UK. With that said, I agree with the first commenter. And I don't think you need "data" to prove he is not British. Actually, the British should be taken away until there are data provided that prove that he IS british. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geocapital (talk • contribs) 09:07, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Fix the Upcoming Album

I think that you can already put the name of the new album that is going to be The origin of love, here you have the reference: http://www.mikafans.net/?p=1596 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.221.83.221 (talk) 20:58, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

A fansite isn't a reliable reference. Freshpop (talk) 11:45, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Can someone fix the references section?

Broken formatting. 98.217.75.153 (talk) 23:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


The link for "^ a b "Triumph of a tortured soul". The Times (London). 2007-01-05. Retrieved 2007-06-22" does not appear to be available [dead link‍].
Also, "^ "Live interview with". Rove. Channel Ten, Australia. 2007-03-06.". [dead link‍] (The video has been taken down)--Dhlsmith (talk) 20:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request: Remove details of sister's accident

Why is this article locked?

Can someone please change the sentence about his sister being "impaled by railings" to just saying something like "severely injured after falling out of a third story window"? (IF it's even legitimately relevant at all, anyway.) Seeing the phrase "impaled by railings" is a little jarring for the context, and inappropriate, no?

99.36.25.120 (talk) 07:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Done – I removed the whole sentence. Charming of the BBC to note the family's request for privacy as they trampled all over it. The reason given for this article being protected is "Excessive violations of the biographies of living persons policy". Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 02:49, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request: Remove release date of album

This line about the album is incorrect and should be removed as a firm date is unknown: Mika announced via Twitter that the album will be released in March 2012.[47] Mika did not announce this date via Twitter and the source points to a blog article containing an interview and not his Twitter page. Mika has never announced an exact release date and has only said the album will be finished at the "top of the year" (2012). https://twitter.com/#!/mikasounds/status/151011140871258112 The album is currently being recorded so it is unlikely to have a March release date. LondonEmbers (talk) 00:23, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Done. Sorry about that, and thanks for the correction. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 03:15, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request: Awards

Can someone please add to the adward list the 2 nominations for the NRJ awards this year, he won one, thank you :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.53.28.15 (talk) 09:58, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request: Collaboration with Madonna

Mika has stated on his website that he collaborated with Madonna on the song Gang Bang, which is featured in her latest studio album MDNA.

You can cite this link: here http://www.mikasounds.com/news/view/883/mika_collaborates_with_madonna — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.254.193 (talk) 20:52, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

mika on his participation to the kick-ass soundtrack

Kick-Ass is not a movie related to Marvel Comics. The movie is produced by its director company Marv Films, nothing related to Marvel. Marvel only distributed the original comic book series.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.228.85.69 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks; I've removed the reference to Marvel Comics. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 22:10, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

He just came out as Gay in DailyMail!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2184872/Im-gay-Pop-star-Mika-finally-confirms-sexuality-reveals-new-songs-men.html

"He told the gay publication: 'If you ask me am I gay, I say yeah. Are these songs about my relationship with a man? I say yeah."

Can the editors of this page please include this beneficial information!220.233.131.62 (talk) 11:28, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification, but for what it's worth he did not come out in the Daily Mail; he came out in Instinct. [8]. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 02:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 October 2012

Could anyone change the photograph where Mika looks like a 40 year-old drag queen who's just changed into mens clothes after a particularly exhausting cabaret show ! Thank you in advance. 90.37.8.22 (talk) 07:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Duplicate of below. —KuyaBriBriTalk 19:58, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 October 2012

Could anyone change the photograph where Mika looks like a 40 year-old drag queen who's just changed into mens clothes after a particularly exhausting cabaret show ! Thank you in advance. 90.37.8.22 (talk) 07:42, 29 October 2012 (UTC) It would be interesting to add a few words about The Origin of Love in the charts, it's been doing particularly poorly in the UK, not so well in France but it seems to have convinced the US.

Not done:
  1. Feel free to submit a photo that is in line with the image use policy if you are that vehemently opposed to the picture currently on the article.
  2. If you want a change made to any text about chart performance, please write up your proposed text here. —KuyaBriBriTalk 20:01, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Nationality

How does a Lebanese born son of a USAican and Lebanese person who did not move to UK till he was nine qualify as a British Singer/Song writer? No mention appears to have been made about his change of nationality.2.125.67.44 (talk) 21:08, 1 June 2013 (UTC)Lance Tyrell.

BUT MIKA IS TOALLY EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.164.113.64 (talk) 10:14, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

InvaSioni barbariche - 18 January 2014

It's "Invasioni barbariche", not "Invazioni barbariche" 85.201.247.135 (talk) 20:48, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Done with thanks, NiciVampireHeart 21:54, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Fluent in Italian

He is also fluent in Italian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5SozwQRka8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.65.3.23 (talk) 10:54, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Confirmed. See http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mika#2013-presente:_X_Factor_e_Songbook_Vol._1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.165.107.226 (talk) 06:48, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit Request: Gay rumors discounted

Mika has said in a radio interview that was recorded after the cited articles that recent news of her coming out as gay were just "Tabloid rumors" and has repeated her previous reluctance to label her sexuality.(Monaghan, Vanessa. "Culture Cafe Podcast: Interview with Mika". Retrieved 12 February 2013.) This information should be changed in the "Early and Later life" section, which currently cites the discounted sources. Lydiaen (talk) 20:34, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

"Her" sexuality? Mika is a man, not a woman. The podcast interview does not discount the cited sources. Mika complains about media speculation that his latest album is about "trysts with men". There's nowhere in the interview that his says his coming out as gay was a rumour. In fact, he acknowledges the coming-out interview and says that some people's reaction to it was along the lines of "Big surprise, Mika! Next!" and also says "I've never worn a beard." Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 13:36, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

The reference in the article is a broken link. An article about it is on Huffington Post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.238.63.183 (talk) 22:41, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


In the actual wikipedia article can be found that sentence: "In an August 2012 interview with the magazine Instinct, the singer confirmed that he was gay.[23][dead link][24]" [23] referring to a dead link [24] referring to another article citing [23] as source Using webarchive you may 'verify' the source [23] following that link: http://web.archive.org/web/20120806000003/http://instinctmagazine.com/blogs/blog/exclusive-sneak-peek-mika-tells-instinct-%E2%80%9Cyeah-i%E2%80%99m-gay-%E2%80%9D? Ok, here we are: According to instinctmagazine.com - selling mediacontent to a more or less particular target group - the story goes as follows "Earlier this week, in a world exclusive, Mika sat down with Instinct to set the record straight (so to speak): 'If you ask me am I gay, I say yeah. Are these songs about my relationship with a man? I say yeah. And it’s only through my music that I’ve found the strength to come to terms with my sexuality beyond the context of just my lyrics. This is my real life.'" Let's assume at least the quoting of Mika is correct (and take a short guess, why the arcticle cannot be found on the magazine's homepage any longer), did he "set the record straight" as the magazine argues he did? Again assuming the words of Mika are cited correctly here what exactly does he say by: "If you ask me am I gay, I say yeah." In my reading he is not presenting himself "not-gay" if asked in public. But does he say, "I am gay and that's it"? I don't think so at all. In many interviews and statements you may explore all around the web he resisted against labelling approaches to his sexuality or sexual identity or gender identity. Maybe this way he wants to point out that none of these are necessary for being a human being, for living a live. (Though you may feel a little uncomfortable this way in our societies.) Maybe it is 'sold' us another way here for a variety reasons.

So I'd seriously like to ask for the redaction of phrase "confirm" in the wikipedia article. Mika just backed up the struggle for LGBTIQ-rights by not opposing the question starting with the word "if". IF YOU [instictmag] ask me that question I answer "yes". If YOU had asked another way maybe you would have got another, maybe more differentiated answer. Seems to me we only understand what we like to hear or at least is not that far away from what we already believe to have understood. The way it is now the only things that seem to be confirmed to me are prejudices. Those from people labelling themselves 'gay', those from people labelling themselves 'not-gay'.

Thoughts and comments appreciated! Love from Goettingen, Germany, Europe, Planet Earth, Milky Way, ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.176.85.165 (talk) 10:49, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2015

his mother is lebanese. not syrian. thanks


194.126.21.5 (talk) 17:47, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 18:37, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2015

please change "Mika was born in Beirut, the third of five children born to a Syrian mother and an American father." to Mika was born in Beirut, the third of five children born to a lebanese mother and an American father.


194.126.21.5 (talk) 17:51, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 18:38, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2015

The current version of the article states that "Mika was born in Beirut, the third of five children born to a Syrian mother and an American father.[11]" That is inaccurate. It should state that he was born to a Lebanese mother, not Syrian. For that matter, I will provide two arguments:

1) The current reference in question (#11: http://www.mytaratata.com/Pages/ARTISTES_Fiche.aspx?ArtistId=1306) points to a dead link, hence it is not a reliable source for the current information regarding Mika's origins.

2) There are various reliable references that support this suggested change, i.e. "... to a Lebanese mother". Here are a couple of such sources: 

 a) "Born to a Lebanese mother and an American father, he is the third of five children." [1]
 b) "Born Michael Holbrook Penniman in Beirut to a Lebanese mother and American father..." [2]


178.135.145.195 (talk) 02:06, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 02:10, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


EDIT: Reactivated edit request as reliable sources had been provided for the requested change.

178.135.145.195 (talk) 02:40, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Done  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  05:15, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Bonus information I found in Chinese version of this article

1. I never talk about anything to do with my sexuality. I just don't think I need to. People ask me all the time. But I just don't see the point. In order to survive I've kind of shut up different parts of my life, and that's one of them, especially this early in my career. Grew, Tony. Brit pop star won't say which way he swings. Pink News. [2007-06-22].

2. I enjoy creating possibilities out of more mundane things. I don't see myself as being particularly flamboyant. I don't think I'm camp. I just do what makes me feel happy. One thing I suppose I do have is a fearlessness that stems from not knowing the rules. When you are constantly rejected, as I was at school you don't get a chance to play by the rules. If I had been accepted earlier on, maybe I would be more of a conformist now. Daily Mail (I cannot find the date of this) 61.239.32.160 (talk) 06:56, 19 April 2015 (UTC)Michael's Lucifer

Infobox: Origin

Hello, I think the word 'origin' should really be changed to 'residence' or something similar. The term 'origin' is linked to ancestry, in Mika's case his origin is Lebanon. I understand it's trying to say he was born in Beirut and lives in London, but 'origin' is not the right word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.129.210 (talk) 18:37, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

MIKA's appellation

Is it possible to change : "Mika (/ˈmiːkə/; born Michael Holbrook Penniman, Jr.;[4][5][6] 18 August 1983), stylized as MIKA, is a French-British singer and songwriter." as "Mika (/ˈmiːkə/; born Michael Holbrook Penniman, Jr.;[4][5][6] 18 August 1983), stylized as MIKA, is a British-Lebanese singer and songwriter." or "Mika (/ˈmiːkə/; born Michael Holbrook Penniman, Jr.;[4][5][6] 18 August 1983), stylized as MIKA, is an American-Lebanese singer and songwriter."

Simply because, even though Mika has lived in France for a period during his childhood, he doesn't have any French blood. He doesn't have proper British blood as well but he's been living in London for more than 20 years and got British citizenship, associating Mika as British is therefore justified. Also, in France he is more seen as a foreigner and often gently mocked for the mistakes he's making when he's speaking French (even though he's quite fluent), so from a French perspective reading that Mika is French-British wouldn't be correct.

Hope you'll change that ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldenfish0071998 (talk • contribs) 11:00, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2016

My request is that you change the name Mary (Mika's mother's name) into Joannie, which is her real name. I also would like you to write, next to Mika described himself as gay, that he later said he doesn't actually acknowledges labels, and prefers to say he stands somewhere on the Kinsey Scale. (source:http://fyeahmika.tumblr.com/post/65869624414/mika-for-vanity-fair-interview) Thank you.


2A02:587:940A:1000:996E:EC97:685C:7693 (talk) 17:55, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

His mother's name is actually Mary Joan Mouakad according to ancestry.co.uk. But that would be original research so best to stick with Mary from the Mirror article. I am not convinced that the gay reference needs to be amended any further. Karst (talk) 20:28, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Consistency of this article

Since there is not editing of this page I can't mark all the self-inconsistencies that exist... I am left with random gossip as far as his sexuality is concerned (which is not relevant to anything else on the page anyway but takes up a large paragraph with quotes from gossip columns in mostly rag tabloids - highly unreliable) and I know his nationality as far as I would term it but only from reading the page indepth as the quick scan I did first to learn if he has a daughter (possibly not but given the articles inconsistencies not sure I'd want to bet on it) does not match what the scan produced at all (unless one is very much Britain before all other nations!) as well as being inconsistent. Please fix this mess... (since you won't less us mere mortals do it for you - mostly the case it seems these days; oh how the mighty have forgotten their roots). 2016/12/30 anon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.7.246.143 (talk) 22:51, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

MIKA's Origin, Nationality etc.

Seem like these notes above have not really been acknowledged but a greater discussion on term's used for MIKA's Origin, Nationality etc. could be done with being had. "Origin": in no dictionary that I know of does this refer to someone's intermediate place of origin... it means the first... so that'd be Beirut, no? "Citizenship"; I don't know but I'd guess at British (since he has citizenship), American at least (since doing away with that is not an easy process and why would he?) and Lebanese (as I think they have a baby being born in their country being a citizen of their country), he might also be French (any cites for or against?). "Nationality"; I think you'd have to ask him that but likely also American and Lebanese and possibly British.

However to style him as a British artist is patently ridiculous unless he himself claims such (highly unlikely given his dislike of labels and that such a label would be contentious at BEST). He's an American artist based on parental nationality, singing language and (probably) nationality; he's a Lebanese artist by birth, grandparentage, past residence and (probably) nationality; he's a middle-eastern artist by parentage, grandparentage, birth, past residence and (probably) nationality; he's a British artist by singing language, current residence, past schooling and citizenship; and he's a French artist by singing language, past residence, schooling and (possibly) citizenship. This feels like "Wikipedia is in English so we have to claim everyone else's celebrities as our own"... you might be best off asking the person in question what they think or your opinions before you start spreading "gospel" based on nothing but your own stereotypes and gossip (this goes for his sexuality too).

P.S. His English (British) and English (American) have a number of faults too so don't come at me with that "people complain about his French" rubbish; he lived in Paris where, if you knew anything about being French you would know that, people don't speak proper French, just a mangled approximation to it (unless they've been tutored). If French people didn't fault him for his language THEN I'd be much more likely to accept that he wasn't French at all.

P.P.S. You really have to get to grips with this sort of thing, there are lots of people this days, especially celebrities, who you can't just pigeon-hole into one country's category... case in point, what do you do about those born, had nationality or grew up in countries that no longer exist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.7.246.143 (talk) 22:31, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — JJMC89 (T·C) 19:18, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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95.248.20.232 (talk) 15:07, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Updates and mistakes correction

I think this page should be updated, because I noticed that there are informations missing for the last few years and some mistakes too. I don't know how to proceed: maybe some editor could help? These are the parts that should be corrected and the links with the official news.

1) I think this title "The Origin of Love, X Factor Italy and Songbook Vol.1: 2011–15" should be corrected like this: "The Origin of Love, X Factor Italy and Songbook Vol.1, The Voice France: 2011–15"

And there is a mistake at the end of the paragraph. This part is not correct: "He joined The Voice: la plus belle voix, replacing Louis Bertignac, in the 3rd season. The series saw Mika return for the fourth and fifth season, before leaving the show, as well as The X Factor (Italy), to focus on other projects. His replacement for the sixth season will be Lara Fabian". Mika left X Factor Italy after 3 seasons (to do his own italian programme Stasera Casa Mika), but not the Voice France.

I suggest this correction: "He joined The Voice: la plus belle voix, replacing Louis Bertignac, in the 3rd season. The series saw Mika return for the fourth, fifth and sixth season. It's been announced that he'll take part in the 7th season too".

Link of the official announcement: https://www.instagram.com/p/BY5nn5rHKyI/?taken-by=thevoice_tf1


2) I think you should add a new paragraph with these informations about his show Stasera Casa Mika (2016, Rai 2) from the Italian page: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasera_casa_Mika Now there's only this phrase: "The following year, he began filming for his own television show in Italy". But the show was already broadcasted in November-December 2016 on Rai 2 channel.

The show won this international award too: "The show ‘Stasera Casa Mika’ won the Rose d'Or Award (from the European Broadcasting Union - EBU) in the Entertainment category, fighting off competition from 3 other international shows (Britain’s Got Talent – United Kingdom, Kitchen Impossible – Germany and Mindf*ck – The Netherlands)".

Official links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_d%27Or http://www.rosedor.com/news.html http://www.mikasounds.com/news/ Acceptance speech in Berlin (19 September 2017) https://www.facebook.com/RosedOrAwards/videos/1711190542264420/

The second season of the show will start 24th October 2017 Announcement by Rai channel press office: http://www.ufficiostampa.rai.it/dl/UfficioStampa/Articoli/RAI2-STASERA-CASAMIKA-VINCE-I-ROSE-DOR-AWARDS--9ea99434-6920-4fa3-986b-4549436910bf.html

The Rose d'Or award should be added in the "Other awards" section too.


3) In the filmography section, Mika's last 2 dvd are missing: - Sinfonia Pop (2016) http://www.universalmusic.it/pop/news/newsdet.php?idn=11518 https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinfonia_Pop - MIKA ♥ PARIS (2016) http://www.universalmusic.it/pop/artista/discografia/?ccidp=32007844270 https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mika_Love_Paris

Thanks in advance for your time.

I have fixed the coverage of The Voice and added the Rose d'Or. For everything beyond that we'll need reliable secondary sources, and personally I'm not good enough at either French or Italian to update the page based only on references in those languages without a significant risk of misinterpreting the sources. (I'm also not interested enough in this topic to write much on my own.) Huon (talk) 17:32, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Updates and mistakes correction 2

Sorry, I forgot something in my previous post.

There is also this radio programme: "The Art of Song", BBC Radio 2 (4 episodes in 2016 and 3 other monographic episodes in March-April 2017). Mika played some of the greatest songs of all time in three episodes dedicated to Carole King, Joni Mitchell and Harry Nilsson, sharing why they're his favourite songs and what they mean to him and exploring the stories behind these tracks. Plus Mika also sits down at Radio 2's Elton John piano to perform covers from each artist.

Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b076w4ks BBC Radio 2 YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD1IPrkquCfN7UZGBvPIe9TH2S4jB9Z4i

The proposed text (if that is the proposed text?) is blatantly promotional and not based on secondary sources. See also above. Huon (talk) 17:32, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
  1. ^ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2461576/bio
  2. ^ http://www.billboard.com/artist/311138/mika/biography
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