Talk:Long, Long Time (The Last of Us)

"Best episode overall" vs "best to date"

The show is only 3 episodes in, and "best to date" is both factual (covering best overall until otherwise needed) and more sustainable writing (if episode 4 is suddenly the best, the 2nd option means you don't have to change 2 wiki pages). Mxbndr (talk) 07:47, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@Mxbndr: Adding "to date" is both unnecessary and untrue; the current phrasing is both factual and sustainable. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 07:57, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Neither "Best episode overall" and "Best to date" are factual. They are both opinion-based. Saying that current phrasing is "sustainable" implies that you have already decided this will be the best episode forever, regardless of what happens next, which suggests an ulterior motive. 58.80.201.106 (talk) 06:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I haven't decided anything, but the sources have. Unless every journalist and reviewer retrospectively changes their mind, the phrasing is, in fact, sustainable. Suggestions of "an ulterior motive" are laughable. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 07:02, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 12:55, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

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Craig Mazin

Nick Offerman

Murray Bartlett

• ... that Craig Mazin (pictured) prepared writing the third episode of The Last of Us by researching how long natural gas would last in a small town? Source: Vanity Fair
  • ALT1: ... that Craig Mazin was inspired to cast Nick Offerman (pictured) in the third episode of The Last of Us due to actors like Bryan Cranston in Breaking Bad and Bob Odenkirk in Better Call Saul? Source: TV Insider
  • ALT2: ... that Linda Ronstadt's "Long, Long Time" saw a 4,900 percent increase in Spotify streams in the United States in the hour after the broadcast of the third episode of The Last of Us? Source: Deadline Hollywood
  • ALT3: ... that the replica of Lincoln, Massachusetts, in the third episode of The Last of Us was built in around six to twelve weeks? Source: Vulture
  • Reviewed: Rose Freistater
  • Comment: Image of Mazin with ALT0, ALT1, or ALT4, Offerman with ALT1, Bartlett with ALT5.

Converted from a redirect by Rhain (talk). Self-nominated at 01:27, 1 February 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Long, Long Time (The Last of Us), so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
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• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - n

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - n

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Rhain: To be honest, these hooks aren't really that interesting. The only one I find remotely interesting is Alt3 but the linking of the real town of lincoln in the hook kind of makes the hook confusing with it suggesting that the real town of lincoln was made by them in six to twelve weeks. Also Earwig reports severe copyright issues. I do think that they might've just copied off wikipedia though but I would like some confirmation. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:18, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

• @Onegreatjoke: Fair enough—I've written some really uninteresting hooks in my time and actually consider these some of the better ones, but to each their own. Here are some alternatives:

• ALT4: ... that in the third episode of The Last of Us, Craig Mazin (pictured) wrote a line to avoid the trope of equating homosexuality with tragedy? Source: GQ
• ALT5: ... that Murray Bartlett (pictured) was coached to sing worse for the third episode of The Last of Us? Source: The Telegraph
• ALT6: ... that the resurgence of Linda Ronstadt's "Long, Long Time" after the third episode of The Last of Us drew comparisons to Kate Bush's "Running Up That Hill" after its usage in Stranger Things? Source: Deadline, Gizmodo
• ALT7: ... that the third episode of The Last of Us was review bombed on IMDb and Metacritic, which journalists attributed to homophobia? PinkNews, Business Insider, Attitude

And yes, IMDb has definitely copied from Wikipedia, not the other way around. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:20, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

• @Rhain and Onegreatjoke: Personally, I really like 3 of the original hooks; ALT4 and ALT7 are both pretty good, but I think the original ALT1, ALT2 and ALT3 are much stronger and more interesting. If those are no good, other hooks might perhaps focus on the casting of Nick Offerman due to the unavailability of Con O'Neill on Our Flag Means Death (referenced in the official podcast episode) or that it was important to Mazin and Druckmann to have other middle-aged queer men involved in the production, including Peter Hoar as director (also referenced in the podcast, along with 2 other names I can't remember off-hand)? Either way, amazing work on the article everyone! — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 17:08, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Those hooks can be considered better. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:17, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Source summary -- Ellie's gun?

Do you think it's important enough to mention Ellie gets a gun this episode? It's mentioned by secondary source recaps:

Joel won't let Ellie take a gun; but when he isn't looking, she finds the pistol Frank kept stashed in a writing desk, and she shoves into her backpack. This will undoubtedly appear again later.

— Murray, Noel (30 January 2023). "'The Last of Us' Season 1, Episode 3 Recap: One More Good Day". The New York Times.

By the episode's end, she’ll have one she’s keeping secret from Joel. (This would seem to be Chekhov's gun in action, but we'll have to wait and see.)

— Phipps, Keith (29 January 2023). "The Last of Us Recap: This Is You". Vulture.

Ellie, who has been begging for a gun, finds one, which she stashes in her backpack without telling Joel. That will either be a problem or come in handy soon.

— Cote, Davie (30 January 2023). "In The Last Of Us, Nick Offerman and Murray Bartlett prove true love survives the apocalypse". The A.V. Club.

I think that if the gun becomes a plot point in a future episode, that it should be mentioned here. Thoughts? Umimmak (talk) 21:52, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done, good point. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:18, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Good article?

This article's looking pretty good! I hope an editor has plans to nominate for Good article status. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: NegativeMP1 (talk · contribs) 19:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

I guess you could say this nomination was waiting a long, long time. I'll take a look at this one soon. λ NegativeMP1 19:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

General criteria

Checking the criteria listed at WP:GAFAIL:

• Article seems to be close to meeting the criteria at first glance.
• No copyright violations seem to be present.
• No cleanup banners or tags present.
• No edit warring, in-fact the article has been mostly stagnant for a while.
• No previous GA review to take into account.

I'll get to reviewing the prose and spot-checking references shortly. λ NegativeMP1 18:15, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

That was a lie, whoops. Anyways, here you go.

Review

Prose

Near nothing wrong with this.

• "Mazin's script was published by Deadline in May 2023, considered one of the ten drama series most likely for an Emmy nomination." Latter part doesn't make any sense.
• "Critics overwhelmingly considered the episode the season's best,[5][62][63] and some named it among the greatest television episodes;[64][65][66] The Hollywood Reporter's Daniel Fienberg felt it elevated the series to a new level,[4] Empire's John Nugent called it "moving, surprisingly romantic, and one of the finest hours of television in recent memory",[67] and The Guardian's Andy Welch described it as "absolutely magical television"." This sentence should be broken up, probably after the outlets saying it was among the greatest television episodes.

Images

• Consider adding alt text to all of the images.
• The only not-public domain image in use here is the infobox image, which seems to be justified as a point of discussion in the article.

Sources

• Spotchecked some uses of 17, 30, 39, 2, 20, as well as 64, 65, 66, 91, and 96. Particularly focused on the reception bits due to the "among the greatest television" and a review bombing definitely being areas that need high quality sourcing.
  • 65 and 66 only describe the episode as being one of the best in recent years. Maybe have attribution here (ex. X and Y named it among the greatest television episodes in recent years, while Z named it one of the greatest of all time.)

There isn't really a whole lot that needs to be addressed, overall an extremely well written article and probably one of the greatest I've read related to TV episodes. I'll put this on hold for now. λ NegativeMP1 19:06, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

@NegativeMP1: Thanks for the review and kinds words! I've gone through and addressed your concerns—please let me know if there's anything else. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 09:20, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Alright, looks good to me. Passing this, good job. λ NegativeMP1 17:09, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

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