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already rajkumaras film declard his gross box office collection in wikipedia page premls 07:44, 23 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prem LS (talk • contribs)

@Prem LS: -  Not done - 1) We don't use primary sources for box office claims. Producers/directors/actors would have every reason to inflate their financial figures. 2) Edit requests should be accompanied by reliable sources. See WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources, but again, see point #1, as primary sources should not be used. 3) New comments go at the bottom of talk pages. I have moved your comment for you. Please sign your posts with four tildes ~~~~. Thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 09:09, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2017

Vathanlal (talk) 09:37, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. @Vathanlal: Your edit request was blank. No idea what change you're requesting. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 10:05, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Highest opening movies in india

Bahubali- conclusion- 145cr Pasyavula gopi (talk) 10:27, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

@Pasyavula gopi: Unsourced declarations are not terribly helpful. Please provide a reference. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:51, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Merger of some articles

There has been a proposal to merge List of highest-grossing Indian films in overseas markets (since July 2016) and List of highest-grossing Telugu films (since August 2016). It's been almost a year and I propose that someone merge it soon. If there was an agreement earlier about not merging the above mentioned articles into this one then the templates should have been removed. I also would like to propose the merger of the article List of highest domestic nett collection of Hindi films into this one (or a deletion of that article) since it's very poorly written and doesn't serve much of a purpose. - Jayadevp13 13:45, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Yajamana gross

It is highly unlikely that Yajamana actually grossed 42 crores (somebody even removed the citation that was present for the same). The earlier reference was to some book, and the grammar in the page in which the dubious figure was mentioned, makes me apprehensive about the reliability of the book. No other source mentions the number and it should probably be removed from the Highest Kannada movies list. Jupitus Smart 15:53, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jupitus Smart: I've been experiencing a great deal of trouble from Kannada film values lately... Looks like the reference was removed here by Sitush, who cited WP:MIRROR as a rationale. Sitush, any chance you could expound a bit? How do you know Wikipedia was the source of that content? Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:05, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Stuff published by Diamond Pocket Books is often very dodgy. The specific instance you mention was briefly referred to in this thread and I did some spot checks at the time that seemed to confirm the book's author was taking info from Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 16:16, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@Sitush: Thanks for the explanation, esteemed colleague. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:24, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

That solves that. Jupitus Smart 17:06, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Chaar Sahibzaade: Rise of Banda Singh Bahadur figures

The movie is currently 3rd in the Punjabi list. It has 4 references, three of which are from reliable sources which however does not mention the given numbers. The 4th reference is from a blog site called dekhnews [1] which is the source for the number. I don't think the site can be considered reliable. Should the movie be removed from the list. Jupitus Smart 18:51, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Bahubali - issue with the posted Language

Please understand that Bahubali is a telugu film , not tamil. Veda chaitanya (talk) 05:45, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Please see the archives discussions of this talk page. If memory serves, the film was shot in both languages (not dubbed into one as is common practice). We treat the film as both Tamil and Telugu. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:01, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

It should be a "Telugu" film or "Telugu,Tamil and Hindi", but why it is showcased as "Telegu & Tamil" film? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.51.129.221 (talk) 15:15, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

There is no ampersand (&) between Telugu and Tamil in the article, so your quotation is not representative of what the article says. "Telugu,Tamil and Hindi" would not be appropriate, since the movie was not filmed in Hindi. It was filmed in Telugu and Tamil, though. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

With the above explanation and references that I found later, I now accept Bahubali as a "Telugu and Tamil" movie (as all other languages are dubbed versions only like Hindi, Malayalam, English and Korean. My apologies for demanding this movie as Hindi movie earlier in the initial post.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.207.55.5 (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2017

Bahubali and bahubali 2 movies are telugu movies and dubbed into tamil, hindi and malayalam. I can see it is mentioned as Telugu and Tamil whereas kabali as only tamil. Venkisree (talk) 09:46, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: The two cinematic parts of Bahubali were simultaneously shot in both Telugu and Tamil languages. regards, DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 11:35, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Baahubali 2:the conclusion hindi

Baahubali 2 movie has been released in hindi also add that in the language out of 625 cr gross worldwide hindi has grossed 300 cr my request is that many people trust wikipedia so please update proper information source you can find in the collection reference itselfV1234robot (talk) 11:17, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

 Not done - @V1234robot: It's unclear what you are asking to be changed, and since you haven't provide a reference of any sort, that makes interpreting your request somewhat difficult. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:11, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

"Baahubali 2 Tuesday 5th Day Box Office Collection, Grossed 700crore At Worldwide Markets". BollywoodMozo. 3 May 2017. Retrieved 3 May 2017. — Preceding unsigned comment added by V1234robot (talk • contribs)

@V1234robot: "BollywoodMozo", whatever that is, is not a reliable source. See WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for a sample of good and bad sources. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:22, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2017

Baahubali: The conclusion is listed as an bilingual Telugu and Tamil movie. Please note it is only dubbed into Tamil and other languages and it is an original Telugu movie.

So please edit the Title to Baahubali: The conclusion Jaswanthyarlagadda (talk) 18:23, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: @Jaswanthyarlagadda: According to sources, the film was shot in both Telugu and Tamil, not dubbed in Tamil. You would need to bring reliable sources that contradict this position. See WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for a broad list of sources that are and are not considered reliable. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:56, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2017

Bahubali: The Conclusion is a telugu movie(dubbed into tamil,hindi, malayalam) 121.241.140.120 (talk) 13:20, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. If you're requesting that we indicate that Tamil is a dub, that's not consistent with reports that the film was shot in Tamil, not dubbed. If that thought is incorrect, you'll need to bring references to prove that. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:46, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Baahubali collections are not correctly mentioned in Telugu and Tamil

Both Bahubali 1 and 2 collections are not correctly mentioned in both Telugu and Tamil lists. Baahubali 2 collections are listed in Hindi list even though it is a dubbed version. Please correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.49.85.159 (talk) 12:08, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

As of this version of the article, I don't see Baahubali 2 in the Hindi list, so maybe this was already fixed. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:49, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Highest Grossing Movies in Kannada

Respected Sir, According to recent news statement published in International Business Times, Kirik Party has grossed 45 crores and is nearing to 50 crores. I request you to kindly update the page with correct information. Necessary link related to news statement has been attached with this request.

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/rakshit-shettys-kirik-party-inches-closer-rs-50-crore-mark-box-office-75-days-719391

Thank u — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrinayakwiki (talk • contribs) 03:53, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Respected sir, According to Kannada box office and several news articles recently hebbuli movie has crossed the gross of 50 crores so I would like u to edit the info Suraj Sudeep (talk) 01:45, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

You will need to provide solid references. Before you respond, see WP:RS, and more specifically, WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources to get a better idea for what sources are and are not considered reliable. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:30, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Sir i am requesting u just pluck off raajakumara which has no official declarations on collection but u still included it please understand we ade getting betrayed

Suraj Sudeep (talk) 16:55, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

@Suraj Sudeep: I don't know what you mean by "official declarations", since 1) we don't use primary sources as definitive sources of controversial information like finances, since a director/producer/actor/distrubutor/etc. would have every reason to inflate their "official" values and 2) There is no such thing as "official" film financial data in Indian cinema. Everything is an estimate. So whatever point you are trying to make is unclear, and the lack of references doesn't shed a whole lot of light on the matter. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:17, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Sir you have changed the collection of Kannada movie maanikya but in the Wikipedia page of the movie maanikya it is stated with source that it has earned 43.5 crores so I would like you to change the same accordingly Suraj Sudeep (talk) 12:35, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

@Suraj Sudeep: - I believe you're referring to this edit, which was made by user Tevar shaa, not by me. To answer your question, when we consider a film's gross, we're talking only about money made at the box office. We're not interested in secondary revenue streams like satellite rights sales, music rights sales, etc. The 43.5 crore value at Maanikya was erroneously including these values and has been fixed in this edit. According to Indiaglitz, the film grossed about 35 crore rupees. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 12:53, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Ok sir then u have the proof for hebbuli to cross 50 crores but why haven't u updated yet

http://m.dailyhunt.in/news/india/kannada/filmibeat+kannada-epaper-filmikan/syaandal+vud+na+aal+taim+rekaard+udis+maadidha+hebbuli-newsid-65099533?ss=wsp&s= Suraj Sudeep (talk) 17:01, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

I've never heard of dailyhunt.in and don't see it as an approved source at WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources. However, if the content is being derived from Filmibeat, which the logo on the page would seem to suggest, I'd be averse to using this source as a reference, since Filmibeat is expressly indicated as an unreliable source. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:06, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Sir i still have another proof for hebbuli crossing 50 crores http://uk.blastingnews.com/entertainment/2017/03/hebbuli-2-weeks-14-days-collection-in-karnataka-till-date-001531701.html Suraj Sudeep (talk) 14:44, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello bro last year blockbuster mukunda murari has completed a gross of 50 crores as stated in your wikipedia page so please change Suraj Sudeep (talk) 05:24, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

@Suraj Sudeep: You mean the unexplained, unsourced addition that was made in this edit? I don't think so. Please bring reliable sources to the talk page if you want other editors to consider changes. See WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for examples of what are and are not suitable for inclusion. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Here is the proof the famous box office tracker has told that hebbuli has collected 100crores https://mobile.twitter.com/rameshlaus/status/858678794877411328 Suraj Sudeep (talk) 15:43, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

@Suraj Sudeep: When the information is released by a reliable mainstream publication, then the content may be changed. I don't know who this person is or what makes him an authority on Indian film finances. For all I know, he could be a shill for producers and promoters. I've never heard of Cinema Pesalam. Please familiarise yourself with our reliable sources guidelines and look at WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for examples of suitable and unsuitable sources. You need to start bringing quality references to talks page and articles, please. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:03, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

https://www.cinestaan.com/articles/2017/may/2/5590/amala-paul-joins-rs100-crore-club-as-kannada-film-hebbuli-goes-strong-at-box-office The above link shows that hebbuli has completed 100 crores Suraj Sudeep (talk) 06:09, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello freaking page editor i have provided u all the major sources og tthe collection of 100 crores by hebbuli but u have not edited it sk may i have a complaint registered against u or shall i report u to Wikipedia as a senseless editor Suraj Sudeep (talk) 17:50, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

http://m.gulte.com/movienews/57798/Divorced-Lady-Joins-100-Cr-Club This is the 2nd linl for 100 crore collection by hebbuli Suraj Sudeep (talk) 17:50, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2017

For Bahubali Movies, Hindi language also need to be included. Manyugarg (talk) 16:47, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: @Manyugarg: Why? Hindi is a dub, not the original language of production. According to sources, the film was shot in Telugu and Tamil. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:55, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Then why not add more detail which shows this income is because of Dub. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manyugarg (talk • contribs) 16:37, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

@Manyugarg: I don't understand what you're asking. The gross values presumably indicate worldwide gross. This means the box office values of all theatrical releases worldwide, including dubbed releases. This is the default assumption that most people should have about what "worldwide gross" means. At List of highest-grossing films there is no special column indicating how much money Captain America: Civil War made from its Cantonese dub, but I guarantee that value is factored into the $1,153,304,495 figure. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:03, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Talk: Hebbuli Kannada Movie to be in top grossing kannada movie with 42 crores

Hebbuli Kannada Movie to be in top grossing kannada movie with 42 crores per 13 days collection report. Vinaybang31 (talk) 10:11, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

References

 Not done - @Vinaybang31: "Blastingnews" is not a reliable source. See WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for some examples of ones that are and are not useful. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:20, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

I have a reliable source for hebbuli completing 100crores https://www.cinestaan.com/articles/2017/may/2/5590/amala-paul-joins-rs100-crore-club-as-kannada-film-hebbuli-goes-strong-at-box-office Suraj Sudeep (talk) 06:08, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

@Suraj Sudeep: What exactly makes this source reliable? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:06, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2017

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Bahubali 2:The conclusion is a bilingual movie(made in both telugu and tamil) and it was dubbed in other indian languages.But in the list of highest grossing movies,I could see the language section to have Malayalam and Hindi added as well.It is a wrong information.It needs to be changed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baahubali_(franchise) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PraveenKumarMurugaiah (talk • contribs)

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 07:12, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

References

With the references given below, I now accept Bahubali as a "Telugu and Tamil" movie (as all other languages are dubbed versions only like Hindi, Malayalam, English and Korean. My apologies for demanding this movie as Hindi movie earlier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.207.55.5 (talk) 14:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2017

Technically, Dangal has booked 9000 something screens in China so its still running. Ref-http://www.deccanchronicle.com/entertainment/bollywood/020517/after-aamirs-dangal-salman-khans-tubelight-to-release-in-china-in-a-big-way.html (Screen Info from NDTV). So put Dangal in that greeny color.31.215.112.31 (talk) 07:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Already done I believe someone has already taken care of this. I see Dangal in green. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:02, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2017

Thyagu777 (talk) 07:02, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. EvergreenFir (talk) 07:03, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Highes Grossing Kannada Movies

Hello Dear,

I see there is no update for this section of Highest grossing Kannada movies for over a month now. From the sources available on inernet, i see the currently running Movie Raajakumar has dose business in the 75-80 Cr. Also i am sure there is increase in the earnings of Kirik Party, which is still running in the theatres. One of souces i can refer to is IMDB, on which it shows Raajakumara has over taken Mungaaru Male by a distance. I am keen to see the wiki too updated. Could you please do the honours.

Thanks so much!!

Warm Regards Raj V N — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajdbangy (talk • contribs) 08:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

@Rajdbangy: Per WP:RS/IMDB, IMDb is not considered a reliable source. It is user-contributed. Please see WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for a general list of the types of sources that are and are not considered reliable. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:34, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2017

Please add Chinese/Mandarin in languages under Dangal top grossing movies 103.24.23.42 (talk) 23:31, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Language column indicates the language the film was shot in, not dubs. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:47, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Rank grouping

In these edits, Betty Logan was kind enough to make some table formatting changes that group various ranks based on a film's gross. Example:

Before

Rank	Movie	Year	Director	Studio(s)	Worldwide gross
1	Mungaru Male	2006	Yogaraj Bhat	E. K. Entertainers	₹50 crore (US$6.0 million)–₹75 crore (US$9.0 million)
2	* Kirik Party	2016	Rishab Shetty	Paramvah Studios	₹50 crore (US$6.0 million)
3	Mr. and Mrs. Ramachari	2014	Santhosh Ananddram	Jayanna Combines	₹50 crore (US$6.0 million)
4	* Raajakumara	2017	Santhosh Ananddram	Hombale Productions	₹40 crore (US$4.8 million)
5	Doddmane Hudga	2016	Duniya Soori	Ajay Pictures	₹40 crore (US$4.8 million)
6	Krantiveera Sangolli Rayanna	2012	Naganna	Sri Sangolli Rayanna Cine Combines	₹40 crore (US$4.8 million)
7	Uppi 2	2015	Upendra	Upendra Productions	₹40 crore (US$4.8 million)
8	Kotigobba 2	2016	K. S. Ravikumar	Rambabu Productions	₹35 crore (US$4.2 million)–₹38 crore (US$4.6 million)

After

Rank	Movie	Year	Director	Studio(s)	Worldwide gross
1	Mungaru Male	2006	Yogaraj Bhat	E. K. Entertainers	₹50 crore (US$6.0 million)–₹75 crore (US$9.0 million)
2	* Kirik Party	2016	Rishab Shetty	Paramvah Studios	₹50 crore (US$6.0 million)
	Mr. and Mrs. Ramachari	2014	Santhosh Ananddram	Jayanna Combines	₹50 crore (US$6.0 million)
4	* Raajakumara	2017	Santhosh Ananddram	Hombale Productions	₹40 crore (US$4.8 million)
	Doddmane Hudga	2016	Duniya Soori	Ajay Pictures	₹40 crore (US$4.8 million)
	Krantiveera Sangolli Rayanna	2012	Naganna	Sri Sangolli Rayanna Cine Combines	₹40 crore (US$4.8 million)
	Uppi 2	2015	Upendra	Upendra Productions	₹40 crore (US$4.8 million)
8	Kotigobba 2	2016	K. S. Ravikumar	Rambabu Productions	₹35 crore (US$4.2 million)–₹38 crore (US$4.6 million)

So why is this better? Simple: Raajakumara, Doddmane Hudga, Krantiveera Sangolli Rayanna and Uppi 2 all grossed 40 crore. So it would be completely arbitrary for us to decide that Raajakumara is #4 when Uppi 2 could also be considered #4. By manipulating a film's placement in the old system, we are effectively giving preferential treatment to Raajakumara, by suggesting that it grossed more, and thus needs to be ranked higher. This totally violates WP:NPOV. What the new system tells readers, is that there were four films that filled the #4, #5, #6 and #7 spots. They just all happened to gross the same. Note also that this change was discussed here in February 2017, and so consensus was established for the change. If you object to the changes, your recourse is to seek a new consensus through discussion, not to revert the changes. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:43, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Hopefully this works, though fans of Raajkumara will still try and have their movie as the first among equals. I feel that if the figures are equal, the older movie should be the first among equals, because its easier to gross huge numbers nowadays compared to before thanks to inflation and higher ticker prices. Jupitus Smart 05:36, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jupitus Smart: I think the films should be arranged alphabetically. This seems the most neutral way to deal with this, and to prevent disruption, but I do understand the merits of your argument. I'll have to think about this. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

To edit the Highest Grossing Malayalam Movies

Malayalam Movie The Great Father has collected 72cr world wide — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muhammed.suhail (talk • contribs) 13:26, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

References

Worldwide Gross of PK : Rs 743 crore

Worldwide Gross of PK from Two sources: 743 crore first source:
http://www.boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2914
text here Bahubali 2 - The Conclusion has hit 1000 crore GROSS Worldwide box office in ten days. The film had gone past the Worldwide record of PK at 743 crore a few days back. Dangal was 718 crore Worldwide but now with its China run it can go over 900 crore but its not catching Bahubali - The Conclusion.

second source:
http://www.boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2904
text here Bahubali 2 - The Conclusion which has smashed all box office records has also taken the Worldwide crown in just six days. The film has gone past the Worldwide record of PK at 743 crore with business close to 800 crore. Dangal was 718 crore Worldwide. PK at 743 crore and Dangal at 702 crore.
PK was released in Hindi only

The worldwide gross should be changed from 792 to 743 --Rashkeqamar (talk) 14:07, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

@Rashkeqamar: And your explanation for why we should ignore the two reliable sources that are already present in the article[2][3], delete the 792 crore value and replace it with the lower 743 value is what, exactly? Is it that BoxOfficeIndia's estimates are more in line with your personal point of view, and so we should change the data to adhere to your perspective and ignore all other points of view? The entirety of Indian film financials are based on estimates, so there is no singular authority that anyone can describe as scientifically precise. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:23, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb:, In Overseas Gross of Indian Films including Hindi,Telugu ,Tamil films the data is consistent, but only in case of domestic gross in India(due to entertainment tax and also due to producers' stating more collection at times), the gross collection vary 3-10 crores range. The sites which you mentioned, ibtimes and indianexpress are NOT trade websites, they quote data from trade websites, like Boxofficeindia.com like TimesofIndia do , as here

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/box-office/baahubali-2-the-conclusion-worldwide-box-office-collection-day-10-film-creates-history-by-crossing-1000-crore-mark/articleshow/58571727.cms

So, the data should be taken from a trade website who deals with collection from every territory and quote its figure on its site consistently. In this case, Boxofficeindia.com is site which gives data for Hindi films and Hindi-Dubbed films . it is much better than Bollywood Hungama, which is not quoting regional collections and takes data from producers. so Boxofficeindia.com should be given priority. there was data differences 3-4 years back in Krrish 3 collections when producers exaggered the worldwide figures of film by 60 crores from actual ₹ 187 crores to ₹ 255 crores.--Rashkeqamar (talk) 14:30, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

@Rashkeqamar: Your proposal to prioritize BOI over all others would require consensus agreement from members of the Indian cinema task force at Wikipedia, since reliable sources are generally considered reliable until there is some reason to not consider them reliable. The proposition to give one site more weight than another in a matter of opinion, seems to be in conflict with WP:UNDUE. Now if you were proposing that the data should be presented in the form of a range (ex: 743–792 crore) that would be doable. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:43, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2017

(Redacted)

Here is the collection details.

Kerala – 33.1 Crore (30 days )

GCC – 19.05 Crore (14 days )

ROI – 7.90 Crore (29 days )

ROW – 63 lakh (Australia, UK, US, Canada )

Total World Wide Gross – 60.68 Crores

(Redacted)

So here is a kind request that please update the top grossing malayalam movies list. Imthiyaz07 (talk) 12:41, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Ref please King Prithviraj II (talk) 12:43, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done for now: This edit request is for the film The Great Father. The redacted content was lifted verbatim from http://www.kboupdates.com/2017/04/the-great-father-raked-60-crore-from-world-wide-boxoffice/, so that is the reference. Imthiyaz07, do not copy and paste content into Wikipedia in the future. Copyright violations will not be tolerated. I'm not aware of any reason why KBOupdates should be considered sufficient as a reference. Who runs it? What are their qualifications? What expertise does the editorial team have in Indian film finance tracking? Who considers them reliable? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:50, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Timeline of highest grossing movies

I would like to propose that a new section be included with the name "Timeline of highest-grossing films" just like in the article List of highest-grossing films. It would be very informative. It can be started with films since the year 1990 then be expanded to include the earlier films. - Jayadevp13 13:51, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

1) Also what about films like Mughal-e-Azam ? In that case ]]Highest-grossing films adjusted for inflation]] will make sense Mrkks (talk) 21:52, 1 May 2017 (UTC)Mrkks

@Mrkks: The bulk of the financials for Indian films are based on guesses, rumours, unverified claims, and lies. Establishing definitively that a film from 1960 is one of the highest-grossing films in Indian cinema (adjusted for inflation) would be a monumental feat, and one based almost entirely on conjecture. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:18, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jayadevp13: I understand what you are going for with the timeline of highest-grossing movies, but I have some questions/notes:

• How does a reader verify that Hum Aapke held the #1 spot from 1994 to 2001? While there are references to indicate the individual gross values, where are the references that say "Hum Aapke Hain Koun..! was the highest-grossing Indian film of all time until it was overtaken by Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham in 2001." That specific verified claim is crucial to the list being meaningful in any way, because without those assertions, all there is in the table are a series of meaningless numbers, and we're asking readers to assume that the lack of any contrary information equates to an indisputable fact.
• Does Box Office India even chart films that aren't in Hindi? Where is Dasavathaaram in this BOI box breakdown for 2008?
• If Dasavathaaram is missing from that BOI list, how does a reader know that in all the other years of BOI charts, no Tamil, Telugu, or Malayalam film ever charted as #1? Again, we're asking readers to assume that a lack of contrary information equates to a factual assertion.
• An example taken from your inspiration List of highest-grossing films#Timeline of highest-grossing films uses this reference, which says explicitly: "[Jurassic Park grossed] $705 million within 115 days of its initial theatrical release, making it the all-time international box office champ. The previous record holder was Spielberg's own "E.T." (USA/1982), which eventually grossed $701 million." That is a clear declarative statement that doesn't leave much room for confusion. It tells us what the previous record was, and it tells us what the new record was. That is the level of clarity required for this list.

There is a significant lack of information in the Indian version of that table, and these issues would have to be fixed if there's any hope of keeping that list. I also consider this a supremely difficult task, given the lack of centralised auditing of financial figures, as well as the media's tendency to only be interested in films produced in their own language. I have no idea how this can be accomplished. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:08, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Thank You for taking your time to research about it and write all those points.

• With regard to your first point, what I thought of (at the time of editing the article) was that people could compare the table with the Highest-grossing films by year table and see. To elaborate what I mean, the highest-grossing film of 1994 Hum Aapke Hain Koun..! had grossed ₹127.96 crore and the highest-grossing film of 2001, Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham had grossed around ₹135.53 crore. Between them all the movies had grossed less than the earnings of Hum Aapke Hain Koun..! in 1994. My belief was that people can infer this from the Highest-grossing films by year list.
• No, the website Box Office India doesn't track the earnings of movies which are not in Hindi. You can also see that from the absence of Baahubali: The Beginning from this Top Worldwide Grossers 2015 list. Now this is problem. How to show in the Highest-grossing films by year table that a particular year's highest grossing movie was not in Hindi.
• With regard to your fourth point, finding that kind of references will be very tough especially since there is a lack of centralised auditing of financial figures, just like you told. That was the reason I took the Highest-grossing films by year table as a reference to compare and make a new table (don't know if Wikipedia policies allow it). If it is allowed then we can mention at the start of the section that this table is derived using data from the previous table. I hope you understand what I am trying to convey here.

What do you suggest I should do now? Should I (or you) remove the list which I created until definite sources can be established? Might be possible for movies which released after 2009 (for example 3 idiots). I highly doubt that it is possible for movies which were released earlier. With regards. - Jayadevp13 03:47, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jayadevp13: and @Cyphoidbomb: I personally think that this is a WP:LISTCRUFT which does not enlighten anybody any more than the list of Highest-grossing films by year that is just above. I respect your good intentions Jayadevp13, but as I said, the list does not have much significance as of date. If you can at least add more details - say take back the timeline to 1960, it will probably merit remaining. I am removing the forked list for now. Feel free to revert with a reason. Jupitus Smart 06:45, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jayadevp13: I think it was a solid, constructive effort, but we just don't have the sourcing yet to justify its inclusion. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:03, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

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in highest malayalam movie grossers, where is " THE GREAT FATHER" which crossed 50 crore box office. here is the link of malayala manorama news channel, which reported this collection

http://www.manoramanews.com/news/entertainment/2017/04/23/mammootty-move-to-50-crore-club.html some removed it intentionally.please check 117.246.229.197 (talk) 06:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

See discussion below. Altamel (talk) 01:44, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Some one removed an entry from the wiki article

in the top grossers of malayalam movie list, there was the movie" The Great Father " which crossed 50 crore mark, here is the link of official reputed news channel http://www.manoramanews.com/news/entertainment/2017/04/23/mammootty-move-to-50-crore-club.html

the above link is of indias reputed news channel malayala manorama..pls edit the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anupmenon0007 (talk • contribs) 07:25, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

See discussion below. Altamel (talk) 01:44, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Formatting of the lists

After looking at List of highest-grossing films(which is a featured list), it seems like there are several areas where this list can be improved. For example, it seems useless to mention the Producer/production house of the movie as that information only obfuscates what the reader is actually looking for(that is not done on the featured list as well). Hoping for a fruitful discussion. I put this on the top because I felt that this would be a massive change to the article. Thank you. Aravindreddy96 (talk) 16:21, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Aravindreddy96, thank you for opening a discussion. I've moved your comment to the bottom, because that's where editors expect to see new discussions. One glaring difference between this article and List of highest-grossing films is that at the featured list article, virtually all of the films are in English. Previous discussions at this article seem to prefer the inclusion of languages for one reason or another. Though some are motivated by a desire to have their ethnic film industry receive "credit", I think there is merit in knowing which languages are more likely to gross more money. It tells an interesting story when a film like Baahubali, which was filmed in Telugu and Tamil, dominates an industry where Hindi is the primary breadwinner. I'll let others weigh in on whether or not Studio and Director belong in the table. I think there's probably more value in including director than studio. Given how inherently unreliable Indian film financial data is, it is dubious that this list will ever achieve any of our quality benchmarks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:27, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Although I agree with you that there is merit in knowing about which languages gross more money in the Indian cinema, the question here is whether or not that offsets the degradation of the article by obfuscating more important data(i.e the rank of the movie and the total gross). I genuinely feel that the list would look much cleaner without the language column. Although your point about Baahubali is correct, this is a rare exception rather than the norm. Aravindreddy96 (talk) 17:41, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Well, your response seems to be predicated on an unfounded position that the article is both degraded and obfuscated by the inclusion of language, which I don't think it is. I'm not aware of any regular editors or casual readers complaining about the complexity of the data. In fact, one editor wants to increase the data in these tables by adding inflation adjustments. An aesthetics argument should probably be based on previous complaints, rather than an arbitrary drive to conform this list to another. Though I do understand the argument for uniformity, Indian cinema has demonstrated that it is different than western cinema. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:15, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

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The language for Bahubali 1 and 2 is Telegu AND Tamil Lebroned (talk) 06:31, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 07:28, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

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Please Change

Baahubali 2 : The Conclusion - languages to Telugu,Tamil to Telugu, Tamil and Hindi

and same holds true for

Baahubali: The Beginning - languages to Telugu,Tamil to Telugu, Tamil and Hindi

Because Both movies were released in Hindi as well, and has also contributed significant share in amount.

Reference http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/box-office/baahubali-2-the-conclusion-box-office-collection-day-10-films-hindi-version-surpasses-500-crore-mark-worldwide/articleshow/58572333.cms Mohitsharmaniit11 (talk) 06:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Bahubali and Bahubali 2 are two cinematic parts simultaneously shot only in Telugu and Tamil. They were released in Hindi as dubbed versions. regards, DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 07:31, 9 May 2017 (UTC).

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Please remove Baahubali from 'Highest Grossing Tamil films' section. Both Baahubali part 1 and 2 are Telugu films. Nani4215 (talk) 09:40, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Baahubali was filmed in Tamil, and thus, it is a Tamil-language film. You seem to be focused on industry, which is beyond the scope of what this article is intended to track. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:54, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Need Years wise Currency Conversion in Highest-grossing films by year

I suggest adding a Currency conversion of year collections to present date so that it will easy for viewers to compare and view to data easily. e.g. Collection of 18Cr(1990) in present date approx ₹18 crore (equivalent to ₹177 crore or US$21 million in 2023) Sanjan Kumar Patel 19:21, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: Consensus could be construed to already exist here for the full removal of INRConvert templates from this article, and another discussion about INRConvert in general can be found here. The prevailing attitude toward INRConvert seems to be that we are arbitrarily converting Indian rupees to US dollars, which promotes pro-US bias. Why not Euros? Why not Yuan? 2) The use of the default INRConvert template is problematic for older films, because by default the template converts a number to the present-day equivalent of Rupees and US Dollars. 3) The inflation adjustment switch helps even the data out, but we're still presenting US values. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:05, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Agree with your point about why we only convert the INR to USD. Actually, my point is that we should convert the collection value to an approx collection(exact is impossible) value in present date.

i.e. ₹18 crore in 1990 is (equivalent to ₹124 crore in 2017) so is there any template exist which will do this only show equivalent INR value. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanjanind (talk • contribs) 04:32, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sanjanind: Please sign your posts using four tildes ~~~~. If you're having trouble finding the tilde key on your keyboard, click the pen and signature icon at the top of the edit window. Or click the four tildes that appear at the bottom of the edit window to insert the tildes at the end of your comment. Note that this is a requirement. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:01, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Comment by Akhil Manne

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_XicQAXoAMobSc.jpg this is link of highest grossing movies in kanndada official by Karnataka film chamber update it sir please rajakumaraa first Kannada movie to gross 50 crores for first time in Kannada industry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akhil Manne (talk • contribs) 15:31, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@Akhil Manne: I assume your request is that we indicate Rajakumaraa (or however it's spelled) be ascribed a gross of 46 crore? Also, the reference you cited doesn't contain a date, so that makes it hard to format a proper citation. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:50, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb

actually kannada movies dont have official webite to view collections

the reference which i gave is by bangalore mirror, today showed up in tv news channel so- that is right imformation

i made a in sandbox u can check it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akhil Manne (talk • contribs) 16:26, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@Akhil Manne: Please sign your talk page posts with four tildes ~~~~. This will add your name and a time stamp, so that other editors know who wrote what and when. Note that this is mandatory. I've updated the Raajakumara entry in the article. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:34, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb but i dnt kw how to do that- u can do it ryt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akhil Manne (talk • contribs) 18:35, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

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223.186.99.90 (talk) 09:42, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Entire article paste: Moved Kabali to #4 spot

(Redacted) * Denotes films still running in theaters Rank Movie Year Director Studio(s)/Producers Language Worldwide gross 1 Baahubali 2: The Conclusion 2017 S. S. Rajamouli Arka Media Works Telugu ₹1,227 crore (US$150 million) 2 Dangal 2016 Nitesh Tiwari Walt Disney Pictures/ Aamir Khan Productions/ UTV Motion Pictures Hindi ₹867 crore (US$100 million) 3 PK 2014 Rajkumar Hirani Vinod Chopra Films/Rajkumar Hirani Films Hindi ₹792 crore (US$95 million) 4 Kabali 2016 Pa. Ranjith V Creations Tamil ₹700 crore (US$84 million) 5 Baahubali: The Beginning 2015 S. S. Rajamouli Arka Media Works Telugu ₹650 crore (US$78 million) 6 Bajrangi Bhaijaan 2015 Kabir Khan Salman Khan Films/Kabir Khan Films Hindi ₹626 crore (US$75 million) 7 Dhoom 3 2013 Vijay Krishna Acharya Yash Raj Films Hindi ₹585 crore (US$70 million) 8 Sultan 2016 Ali Abbas Zafar Yash Raj Films Hindi ₹584 crore (US$70 million) 9 Prem Ratan Dhan Payo 2015 Sooraj R. Barjatya Fox Star Studios/Rajshri Productions Hindi ₹432 crore (US$52 million) 10 Chennai Express 2013 Rohit Shetty Red Chillies Entertainment Hindi ₹423 crore (US$51 million) 11 3 Idiots 2009 Rajkumar Hirani Vinod Chopra Films Hindi ₹395 crore (US$47 million) 12 Dilwale 2015 Rohit Shetty Red Chillies Entertainment/Rohit Shetty Productions Hindi ₹394 crore (US$47 million) 13 Bajirao Mastani 2015 Sanjay Leela Bhansali SLB Films Hindi ₹358 crore (US$43 million) 14 Kick 2014 Sajid Nadiadwala Nadiadwala Grandson Entertainment Hindi ₹352 crore (US$42 million) 15 Happy New Year 2014 Farah Khan Red Chillies Entertainment Hindi ₹345 crore (US$41 million) Notes: References (Redacted)

Not done for now: Can you provide a reference that shows Kabali has taken the #4 spot? — IVORK _Discuss 11:02, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

It hasn't. Some sources (Indian Express/Financial Express, etc.) were practicing poor journalism and lumping in "pre-release income" with the box office figures, inflating the numbers by 200+ crore rupees. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Highest grossing Indian franchise and film series

@Taniya94: Your pet project, the Highest grossing Indian franchise and film series table you created, has been flagged for cleanup since November.

1. Is there a reason why we're using US dollars in the table when everything else in this article is in Rupees? Previous discussions at the Indian cinema task force suggest the vocal community doesn't find much value in focusing on US dollars.
2. The "highest-grossing film" column should probably become "highest-grossing film in franchise" just for clarity
3. The figures in parentheticals are odd, especially with the references wedged inside the parens. Maybe another column for the references would be a better way to present this data?

Thank you, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:47, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree, it would be much more sensible if the box office figures were in Rupees as there is always a constant fluctuation of the USD vs INR value. ~Rajan51 (talk) 14:57, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

• • If you can make it in INR from USD, then please do it. But this table includes the list of every film released under a franchise, so, do not delete the list. Please see, List of highest-grossing films#Highest-grossing franchises and film series. Taniya94 (talk) 14:31, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

@Taniya94: and @Cyphoidbomb: - The figures were not in dollars but in INR. However they were using the million form of numbering instead of the crore form. In the Indian numbering system, 1 crore = 10 million and I have modified the list accordingly. References are something that I or probably anybody else apart from Taniya94 cannot add, as these numbers are currently being accepted in good faith because of her standing. I would therefore urge Taniya94 to add a column for references for all these movies for the sake of transparency. Jupitus Smart 15:41, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb:, it would be nice if you could add a column for references. I tried my hand at making a column but seem to be technically inept at that. Probably that is the reason why Taniya94 could not add the column as well.Jupitus Smart 16:00, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Reason for not adding Great father in the list

Please clarify the reason you removed great father from the list?The reasons you mentioned above for muhammed suhail's questions are not convincing

1. What source you want other than the one suhail listed above to include Great father in the list?If you consider manorama as a reliable source,why cant you include the same source for Great father as well.You mentioned that in second line,they mention that it is confirmed by producer.Is producer the right person to confirm the collection?If not him,who will you think is the best person to confirm the collection?Producer is very well aware that he has to pay tax for the figures he confirm as the collection of movie. If that is your problem,do you have any statement to prove that what producer said is not correct?If manorama is a reliable source,all contents in that source should be reliable.You cannot put that as the reason to remove the movie from the list.

2.The same excuse is applicable for Pazhassi raja as well.Below one is report from times of india,which is definitely a reliable source where it is mentioned that pazhassi has collected 49 crore and nothing mentioned like confirmed by producer in the article.WHy cant you update pazhassi in the list?

http://m.timesofindia.com/others/news-interviews/Hariharan-MT-Vasudevan-prepare-for-Randamoozham/articleshow/9807050.cms

If you are not able to do the change as above,then please let us know the reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar.kottappuram777 (talk • contribs) 06:49, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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in the list of highest grossers of malayalam film,movie "the great father" is missing,which has collected 50 cr so far . please add in that list" 1.http://www.kboupdates.com/2017/04/its-official-now-the-great-father-touches-50-crore-mark-from-world-wide-boxoffice/ 2. http://mollywoodtimes.com/2017/04/22/the-great-father-touches-the-50-crore-mark/ 3. http://filmfaktory.in/official-great-father-touches-50-crore-mark film producer's official page stating the collection of 50 crores 4.https://www.facebook.com/AugustCinema/photos/a.141682375905619.34908.131506503589873/1490684801005363/?type=3&theater5. and link of kbo updates which tracks malayalam movie collection reports 5.https://www.kboupdates.in/the-great-father-bo.html

Anupmenon0007 (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 09:52, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

We wouldn't use producer claims per WP:PRIMARY, as a producer/director/actor/distributor would have every reason to exaggerate. Especially given the competition between Mammootty and Mohanlal. No indication kboupdates.in qualifies as a reliable source per WP:RS/WP:UGC. Who runs it? Who's the editor-in-chief? What are there qualifications? Demonstrate they have an established reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Etc. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:23, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

http://www.manoramanews.com/news/entertainment/2017/04/23/mammootty-move-to-50-crore-club.html

Can this be used as a reliable source?, References from this source has been included in many similar Wikipedia pages. Ananth sk (talk) 19:20, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

@Ananth sk: Read the 2nd line in the reference and then read what Cyphoidbomb has mentioned above. You will get your answer. Jupitus Smart 04:55, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jupitus Smart: Any chance you could please clarify this? Specifically which phrasing is problematic? Google Translate is giving me a horrible translation of the article, so I'm unable to tell. The first paragraph says "Mammootty will open another 50 crore club in Malayalam. The movie is about 50 Crores. The record for the movie has been released...." Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:24, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: - The line by line translation of the first paragraph - "Mammootty makes his way into Malayalam's 50 crore club. The Great Father is surging in theatres after breaching the 50 crore mark. The collection figures were released by the producers of the movie.". The last line of the news also re-iterates the fact that the numbers were from the producers - "The collection figures were released by the producers of the movie, August Cinemas". Jupitus Smart 14:41, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jupitus Smart: Thanks for that. Google Translate didn't make any of that clear. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:43, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jupitus Smart: Then who is supposed to reveal the collection if it is not producers of the movie?? Then how cacth news become a reliable source than manorama leading media in Kerala. Who knows catch news in Kerala?? . vathanlal (talk) 10:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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King Prithviraj II (talk) 17:32, 11 May 2017 (UTC) http://www.koimoi.com/box-office/baahubali-2-the-conclusion-all-languages-worldwide-box-office-collections/ ref update box officle collection for baahubali 2. King Prithviraj II (talk) 17:32, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: @King Prithviraj II: Koimoi is not considered a reliable source by the Indian cinema task force at Wikipedia. Please see WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for a general list of sites that are and are not considered suitable. Also, please be specific about the changes you want made to articles, like "please change X to Y". Thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:15, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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http://boxofficecollectionreport.com/movies/baahubali-2-box-office-collection-bahubali-2-total-worldwide-business-income Bahubali collection is 1621.25 Crores Moneyjain (talk) 07:30, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: @Moneyjain: We don't use random websites as references at Wikipedia. See WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for a general list of sites that are and are not considered reliable. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:17, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

hebbuli kannada film

hebbuli has been officially announced as the first 100 cr. film of kannada cinema..but it is not even mentioned in the top ten list..why ? Zafarmasood123 (talk) 08:34, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

@Zafarmasood123: Speaking solely from a common sense perspective, there is no "official" independent tracking of financial data in Indian cinema. So it's unclear what you mean by "official". Do you mean the figures announced by the producers/director/actors, etc? Because if so, we don't use primary sources for controversial claims. Producers/directors/actors/distributors all have financial incentives to exaggerate their box office claims. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:19, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Mungaru Male

The new reference for Raajkumara ([4]) says that it could become the first Kannada film to gross above 50 crore. Our figures for Mungaru Male is a range from 50 - 75 crores with the higher value coming from a primary source. Would it not be prudent if we remove the range and peg the figure at 50 crores for Mungaru Male as most sources, including the new one tend to converge around that number. Jupitus Smart 18:10, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Can I know the reason for changing Mungaru Male collection and making it top three...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tevar shaa (talk • contribs) 15:43, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@Tevar shaa: for the reason that I have mentioned above. We don't allow references from primary sources to be considered as a matter of policy. Mungaru Male had the range as an exception, which I felt was not required as all other sources agreed on the 50 crore figure. And Mungaru Male is still the top Kannada movie as of today. All the top 3 movies are equally in first place, though it is internally sorted based on alphabetical order (date would have been better in this case as Mungaru Male's 50 crore 10 years ago is certainly more impressive, though the consensus on that is yet to be formed).Jupitus Smart 18:54, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the responding n Mungaru Male should have been top among three. Y bcz it was collected over ₹50 crore 10 years back.. If we count that figure till date ₹50 crore (equivalent to ₹161 crore or US$19 million in 2023)... So am requesting u to make it top... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tevar shaa (talk • contribs) 08:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

@Tevar shaa: please sign your talk page posts with four tildes ~~~~. This will append your name and a time stamp, so that editors will know who they are talking to and when the comment was left. There should a button at the top of the window with a pen and signature. You can click that at the end of your post, if typing tildes is too difficult. To answer your question, I think it's going to be a colossal waste of editors' time to organise by inflation-adjusted gross. Something simple like organising by alphabet is the most intuitive and neutral approach. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:23, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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Baahubali The Conclusion is in Hindi As well not only telugu/tamil 161.222.160.8 (talk) 21:36, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: It isn't clear from your message what you're proposing be changed in the article, but if you're proposing we add Hindi to the Language column in the top table, we wouldn't do that, because the film was not shot in Hindi. It was, however, shot in Telugu and Tamil. Dubs don't belong in the language column. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:43, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Update Bahubali 2 Earnings

Update Bahubali 2 gross collection worldwide it was not updated from last 5 days. People are updating falls figure for Dangal movie. Dangal earning updated daily with fake figure no relaible source of that earning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atulrawat19 (talk • contribs) 04:35, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Highest grossing Malayalam movies

Malayalam Nov es Abi rockzz (talk) 14:38, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

@Abi rockzz: What? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:00, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Abbas: Why did you remove Great father from the list @cyphoidbomb? Just search August cinema in Facebook , and they have posted on their fb page that the movie crossed well over fifty crore mark. You are still confused on the evidence people given and still questioning on the evidence we give for the updation of the list.just another stupidity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbas.j63 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

@Abbas.j63: 1) Watch the personal attacks. 2) I'm not the one who's confused--I'm well versed on Wikipedia guidelines. We don't use primary sources (Directors/actors/producers/distributors/etc.) for controversial claims like a film's finances, because big surprise: these people have every reason to lie. Inflated figures make directors and actors and producers look more attractive. An actor who can brag about his film breaking a financial record is likely to get more work. Same with a director. Not to mention that film companies often inflate figures (Kabali is a prime example) to make the film more attractive to potential viewers, enticing them to be a part of the blockbuster spectacle. This is particularly relevant given the longstanding rivalry between Mammootty and Mohanlal. The producers posting an inflated number makes the film more attractive to Mammootty fans. So it should be fairly obvious why we can't take the producer's claims at face value. We care what reliable published sources that are independent of the subject have to say. And thankfully, Wikipedia has no deadline. We're not in any hurry to post improperly verified financial figures. Feel free to look at WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for an example of the types of references that are considered reliable, along with ones that are not. (List is not all-inclusive. It's a rough list.) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:20, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

where is great father ??it has grossed over 50cr and officially confirmed.If you are arguing that the confirmation by producer cant be included in wikipedia then how could ezra and munthiri vallikal thalirkumbol came to this list? their reference given is manorama online news(pls check). If so great father 50cr news has also came in manorama online,pls check (http://www.manoramanews.com/news/entertainment/2017/04/23/mammootty-move-to-50-crore-club.html). so pls try to add the great father to this list and dont do such a partiality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batmanvsjocker (talk • contribs) 17:00, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

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"Kabali" Tamil film starring Rajinikanth grossed total of "$77 million worldwide" according to "Forbes". The link is, " https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/05/11/armies-of-ajith-fans-mobilize-to-blast-vivegam-teaser-to-record-views/#79b6d03c16eb " ... 183.78.95.34 (talk) 04:54, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done.  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  02:51, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Paine, I've modified your changes slightly. Kabali's gross has been a nightmare, and sparing you the gory details, a straight conversion of the 2017 US$77 million value to Indian rupees could already yield a wide range of "crore" values, but also Kabali was a 2016 film, so inflation may be an issue. Anyway, short story, I've presented the value as a range of 477–499 crore based on Indian Express's estimate of 477 and the highest conversion of $77 million to ₹ that is < 500 crore rupees. Augh. This hurts my head. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:52, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

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adding new section of highest openers or highest grossing movies in 48 hours Govindkrishna29 (talk) 04:42, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Before seeking consensus, you might want to think about the following: "Highest opener" is vague since it's unclear how you'd establish what constitutes an "opener" and how we could easily compare a complicated opener with a "standard" opener. Would a Tuesday public premiere be the opener? Or would we have to go solely on opening weekend? Or would we add Tuesday's public premiere to the Friday, Saturday and Sunday take? What if a film was released on a Saturday? And what's the significance of 48 hours? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:11, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 May 2017

fourth highest grossing malayalam movie is great father change premam to the great father Jedu05 (talk) 09:50, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

This has been discussed numerous times. See elsewhere on talk page. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:49, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 May 2017

can we add highest grossing films adjusted by inflation? I have many sources Govindkrishna29 (talk) 16:01, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:12, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Baahubali 2 Hindi

The film released worldwide in Tamil, Telegu and Hindi however the latter has been omitted. Please rectify this. Thanks. Factual Proof (talk) 15:59, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Moreover even if it wasn't filmed in Hindi the revenue from that version is significant enough (almost half of the global revenue) to warrant the inclusion of that version. Factual Proof (talk) 16:02, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Aaaaaand what is the academic, encyclopedic precedent (arrived at by discussion, of course) for branding X-language onto a film when it was dubbed rather than filmed in that language? Are Jerry Lewis's English films described as French because he was very popular in France? If the Cantonese dub of Captain America: Civil War was super-popular, did we re-describe that film as English/Cantonese? If a filmmaker decides that his story is best presented in Telugu and Tamil, do Wikipedia editors get to second-guess his judgment and declare that "no, bro, the film was also intended to be Hindi, based on the success of that dub after the fact"? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 09:07, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Well, its Hindi version got the highest collection, so Hindi is omitted from the page, and it gives the viewer an incomplete view. There should be some mention on this page itself, like a note stating the dubbed versions and their languages. Your view ?31.215.112.102 (talk) 12:00, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't see what incomplete view you're talking about. The film was shot in Telugu and Tamil. Check. The film grossed ₹NNNN. Check. That's pretty much the entire view required for this basic list article. We don't break down the gross by languages here. If more detail is of academic interest, the intuitive place for that detail to go is at the main Baaahubali 2 article if editors so deem it necessary. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:50, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

For What Reason Pazzhashiraja is not adding in the Higheat Grossing Malayalam Movie

According To Times Of India Report Kerala Varma Pazhassi Raja (film) has collected 49cr. According to Wikipedia Times Of India is a reliable source. In that report it is not saying that the collection report is not according to the producer or actor. Here is the link http://m.timesofindia.com/others/news-interviews/Hariharan-MT-Vasudevan-prepare-for-Randamoozham/articleshow/9807050.cms

For what reason you are adding this movie in the list Please answer it Muhammed.suhail (talk) 15:28, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

@Muhammed.suhail: There was a detailed discussion about this here. Some editors felt it was clearly a mistake, with one argument being that TOI's failure to repeat the claim supports the likelihood that it is a mistake. For example here, there is no mention of KVPR in a Top 5 highest-grossing Malyalam films presentation. When we're dealing with questionable content, we typically try to go with what most sources are saying, not with what one source says. This should make sense, because 1) Indian film financials are notoriously unreliable. 2) Indian film financials are notoriously inflated. 3) Indian film journalism isn't always as good as it could be. 4) People can make mistakes.

Just because a source exists doesn't mean it can't be questioned, and in this case, the argument that Times of India never repeated the claim is somewhat significant. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:06, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Then sir Can you add another source for MunthiriVallikkal Thalirkkubol. Only Manorama News Arguing this all other source says that it is according to producer. So Manoram News made an error on it. Can you go for a detail study. Muhammed.suhail (talk) 15:49, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: I think that you find an error on the collection of Munthiri Vallikal Thalirkkumbol is not valid. Because according your sources the producer or actor post in facebook is not valid. THE NEW INDIAN EXPRESS report says that it is according to Mohanlal FB post. The link is http://www.newindianexpress.com/entertainment/malayalam/2017/mar/01/munthirivallikalin-50-crore-clubmohanlal-thanks-all-1575955.html

According to TIMES OF INDIA report it says that the collection report is according to Director. Then how is it valid??? http://m.timesofindia.com/entertainment/malayalam/movies/news/munthirivallikal-thalirkumbol-enters-50-crore-club/articleshow/57392148.cms Muhammed.suhail (talk) 16:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Old data for Baahubali gross

Why the gross figures for Baahubali 2 are not being updated? The page has been protected to prevent others from doing anything as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iluvumerijaan (talk • contribs) 08:11, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

@Iluvumerijaan: Wikipedia is not a breaking news source and we're not under any obligation to frantically update Indian film financial estimates every time a new estimate is published. That said, if you open an edit request and provide reliable sources, volunteers can better assist. See WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for a rough list of sources that are and are not considered reliable. Note that any blogs or otherwise insufficient sources will be rejected. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:58, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi please update the data for Bahubali 2, it seems to be the data 1 week ago. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ren2040 (talk • contribs) 03:52, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@Ren2040: Thanks for your response here and above where you confirmed that the Tamil version is not a dub. To update figures in this article we'd need references from reliable sources. A bit obstacle in that process is that a lot of editors who happen by do not know what qualifies as a reliable source. We typically always avoid blogs or random websites, we don't like to swallow producer/director/actor/distributor claims, so that leaves major mainstream news sources. WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources is a good rough explanation for the general sorts of sites the community likes. If you can help find some, then other editors can help update the article. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:03, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

You are not the owner or official agent of wikipedia. Don't act over smart or try to become the official spokesperson of wikipedia. I see that you are a South Asian Muslim. What is the source of your incessant hatred against all things remotely Hindu? It's a collaborative site and all should be ideally welcome to edit. What's your problem with that? Or do you think it belongs to a niche set of white privileged editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iluvumerijaan (talk • contribs) 18:42, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

@Iluvumerijaan: I don't understand your response as it doesn't seem to pertain in any way to my comment above. Maybe try again, but focusing on the discussion topic instead? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 12:55, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb, ok thank you for the explaination and your efforts — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ren2040 (talk • contribs) 10:53, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

It's protected

Hi, who can access it as I can't gain access as it shows protected (Talk)Nabeel Gm 05:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC) Nabeel Gm 05:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Nabeelgm: If you click on the lock at the top right of the article, it will link you to: Wikipedia:Protection_policy#extended. Editors with more than 30 days experience and over 500 edits may edit this article. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:39, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Raajakumar 50 crores gross

Please update Kannada film Raajakumara's gross to be 50 crores.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/kannada/movies/news/raajakumara-to-be-first-film-to-cross-rs-50-crore-mark/articleshow/58588208.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wadelison (talk • contribs) 02:54, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Wadelison: Why would we do that? The article only indicates a gross of 46 crore had been achieved at the time of printing. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:42, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

The Great Father Malayalam Movie Boxoffice

Add The Great Father on the highest grossing malayalam movies. It collected 50cr. http://www.inuth.com/entertainment/malayalam-movies/kerala-box-office-mammootty-the-great-father-emerges-as-the-actors-first-rs-50-cr-blockbuster/ When I asked editor to change it he is not willing because he is Mammootty hater. The respective admins please do the step to involve this Muhammed.suhail (talk) 15:34, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done - Maybe he doesn't want to update the figures because you've introduced personal attacks and questions about his character into the discussion. That's never a wise idea in any form of discussion, but at Wikipedia it's expressly disallowed. What's the expression about it being easier to catch flies with honey than vinegar? Don't forget that there were legitimate problems with poor sourcing going on here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:02, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Ok iam sorry Muhammed.suhail (talk) 16:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh, and for the record, I don't personally know whether or not Inuth.com meets the reliable sourcing criteria. For the sake of simplicity and harmony, we'll assume that the Express Group is doing what they're supposed to by providing proper editorial oversight to the beta site. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:06, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: The Great Father is still running in WorldWide Boxoffice Muhammed.suhail (talk) 16:07, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Muhammed.suhail: Which I interpret as a request to add the appropriate colouration?  Done here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:27, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

update bahubali 2 gross icome

Update bahubali 2 gross income worldwide 2167 Crores till date. source http://boxofficecollectionreport.com/movies/baahubali-2-box-office-collection-bahubali-2-total-worldwide-business-income — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atulrawat19 (talk • contribs) 11:56, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

@Atulrawat19:  Not done - We don't pick random websites and use them as references. boxofficecollectionreport.com is not a reliable source with an established reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. See WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:23, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request dated 15 May 2017

Near Rajamouli's pic change 1000 crore to 1500 crore which is the current gross.31.215.112.102 (talk) 15:23, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 17:55, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

@DRAGON BOOSTER: Already present in the page.31.215.192.96 (talk) 11:30, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Note: Any edit request must be accompanied by a detailed and specific description of what changes need to be made. Clearly indicate which sections or phrases should be replaced, and what they should be replaced with. regards, DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 04:28, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Forbes??

Just a small thoughts.. Is Forbes really a trusted site?? Where someone used the site as a evidence for Theri collection record.. Please someone explain this.. Thanks.. Mathan EvAz (talk) 17:12, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

For questions about the reliability of particular sources, please see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. regards, DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 04:36, 18 May 2017 (UTC).

Forbes is a US-based financial magazine that has been around for almost 100 years. It has a well-established reputation for fact-checking and accuracy and it's certainly not a fly-by-night publication like most of the blogs that get submitted on the talk page here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:33, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Dangal Collections 1275 crores , kindly update

http://www.bollywoodlife.com/news-gossip/dangal-box-office-collection-day-13-china-aamir-khans-film-creates-history-becomes-first-indian-movie-to-cross-the-rs-500-crore-mark/ Saisiddharth4u (talk) 12:14, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

That ref is not reliable per Indian cinema task force, I have already heard that a hundred times. - - 31.215.192.96 (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Correction below S. S. Rajamouli's photo

The following detail below S. S. Rajamouli's photo is grammatically incorrect.

Please change

"S. S. Rajamouli's Baahubali 2: The Conclusion is the highest grossing Indian film to date and he is the first Indian director to achieve the feat of grossing over than 1000 crore rupees"

to

"S. S. Rajamouli's Baahubali 2: The Conclusion is the highest grossing Indian film to date and he is also the first Indian director to achieve the feat of grossing over 1500 crore rupees".

Dangal was also directed by an Indian director. And Baahubali 2 has now crossed 1500-crore mark.

--EVOLU710N (talk) 13:10, 19 May 2017 (UTC) Ijaz Ahmed 6.38PM IST, 19-May-17

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2017

I am a vivid follower of Telugu Movie Box Office Collections. After referring to some reliable sources , I believe that this page has false information. I would like to edit and improve the content of this page . 122.167.97.57 (talk) 05:23, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:35, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 May 2017

In the section Global gross figures, director S. S Rajamouli's picture is present with the caption S. S. Rajamouli's Baahubali 2: The Conclusion is the highest grossing Indian film to date and he is the first Indian director to achieve the feat of grossing over than 1000 crore rupees. Please change that to S. S. Rajamouli's Baahubali 2: The Conclusion is the highest grossing Indian film to date and he is the first Indian director to achieve the feat of grossing over than ₹1,500 crore (US$180 million). Reasons given are that refs state it to be the first and only Indian film to cross 1500 crore. 1000 figure is outdated. Also, formatted the format of the amount display. Refs - http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/baahubali-2-the-conclusion-box-office-collection-day-22/1/957621.html http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/baahubali-2-box-office-collection-day-21-ss-rajamouli-film-on-a-record-breaking-spree-4662783/ Kindly do the needful. 31.215.192.96 (talk) 08:21, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done for now: Indian film financials are in a constant state of flux, and sources are persistently pressured to report the latest record estimate. The more prudent academic approach is to wait until the majority of sources stabilize, and agree in their reports that arbitrary ₹NNN or ₹NNNN gross figure has been achieved. Thankfully, Wikipedia has no deadline, so we're not under pressure to report the latest estimate. If this is a problem for you, we could always remove the image of Rajamouli and the associated braggadocio. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:43, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 May 2017

THe gross of Bahubali 2 has crossed 1500 crores according to recent news Bahubali 2 The conclusion has crossed 1500 Cr. Kindly update them.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/baahubali-2-the-conclusion-box-office-collection-day-22/1/957621.html 49.206.59.85 (talk) 19:54, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

 Not done Indian film financials are in a constant state of flux, and sources are persistently pressured to report the latest record estimate. The more prudent academic approach is to wait until the majority of sources stabilize, and agree in their reports that arbitrary ₹NNN or ₹NNNN gross figure has been achieved. Thankfully, Wikipedia has no deadline, so we're not under pressure to report the latest estimate. If this is a problem for you, we could always remove the image of Rajamouli and the associated braggadocio until the details settle. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:46, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request dated 16 May 2017

In Global gross collections section, director S S Rajamoulis picture is present. There it says Baahubali 2 to be the first Indian film to cross 1000 crore. I would request you to change that 1000 crore to 1500 crore as per http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/baahubali-2-box-office-collection-day-17-hindi-version-collects-rs-400-crore-new-target-is-1693713?site=full This url. 31.215.192.96 (talk) 16:43, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done for now: Though I see a figure of 1,500, it's not clear if this is box office revenue. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:47, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2017

Jay191193 (talk) 09:07, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — IVORK _Discuss 15:17, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

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Need to provide the exact details. Sivaeeebe (talk) 07:56, 22 May 2017 (UTC) Providing more details

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 10:06, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 May 2017

43.227.129.46 (talk) 10:42, 22 May 2017 (UTC) 1.bahubali the conclusion 1755cr

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:12, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 May 2017

Please refer real china collection of dangal at http://boxofficecollectionreport.com Kishorek2017 (talk) 11:36, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. @Kishorek2017: Please read our reliable sourcing guidelines, including WP:UGC. There's no indication that this random blog is a reliable source. Who runs it? What are their qualifications? Who are the journalists involved. See WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for general list of sites considered reliable and not. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:12, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 May 2017

Dangal is shown to have 1523 crore collection while reference shows it as 1501 crore. Please find a reference or change it to 1501 crore. It was changed here without a reference. 2.51.22.50 (talk) 14:16, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Done Reverted here. Editor has been notified. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:02, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Adjusted for inflation

I think we must add adjusted for inflation to also post tribute to old films

• ^🦂😎 Nabeelgm 😎^🦂(Talk)•°(contribs)

Nabeel Gm 13:05, 22 May 2017 (UTC) Nabeel Gm 13:05, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

@Nabeelgm: 1) How do you propose we add an inflation adjustment when there is already consensus to remove INRConvert from the article? 2) What on earth do you mean "post tribute to old films"? Wikipedia doesn't do "tributes", so please be very clear about what you are suggesting. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:10, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: i know about it but we need to add this new section Nabeel Gm 11:58, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

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@Nabeelgm: Consensus is not established by saying "I want ___". If you expect change at this article, you need to present your arguments, and when queried about how you think it should be implemented, should conceive of some solution, not just reassert your wish. I still don't know what you mean by "tributes", and since you haven't bothered to clarify that, I'll just assume the matter is dropped. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:17, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Why is GADAR not in the list

I have referred wikipedia to find out that Gadar- Ek prem katha has collected almost 468 crores from bollywood. Why is that film not in this list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajeev07nair (talk • contribs) 04:55, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

yes, there seem to be inaccuracy in data for the 2000 and 2001 years.... in 2000 "kaho na pyaar hai" was highest grossing movie but here "mohabbatein" is given. similarly "gadar" was highest grossing in 2001 but here "K3G" is given..... both are incorrect -- Adamstraw99 (talk) 05:40, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Rajeev07nair, where is the 468 crore figure coming from? That seems insanely, and unbelievably high. According to this source from December 2001, Gadar: Ek Prem Katha "touched 60 crore". But even looking at this source, Gadar grossed 133 crore and Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham grossed 135.53 crore, which is why the latter film is in the #1 spot. My guess is that you're looking at the "adjusted nett gross" as indicated here. I don't know what this figure means, but we don't use variations on gross in film articles. We don't use "adjusted nett gross", we don't use "nett gross", etc. The figure we care about is the raw gross. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:49, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Cyphoidbomb for correcting me. I misunderstood the "adjusted nett gross" as actual gross and now only realised that it is the adjusted amount according to current currency value.

Dangal crossed Baahubali 2 worldwide gross to emerge as Highest grossing Indian film worldwide

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--Rashkeqamar (talk) 08:20, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

As per this report on Firstpost, the worldwide box office gross of Dangal is ₹1546 crore. ~Rajan51 (talk) 08:20, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Please revert Dangal collection as boxofficeindia.com is not a valid news source.

Please revert Dangal collection as boxofficeindia.com is not a valid news source. The site is not a valid news source it can be manipulated. The gross income of Dangal is http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/aamir-khans-dangal-busts-china-box-office-753-cro re-and-still-counting-1697299

Dangal gross collection worldwide is 1453 Crores only not 1,743 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atulrawat19 (talk • contribs) 12:55, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

 Not done - Truly bizarre. This guy wanted us to only use Boxofficeindia.com as a source, and you for some reason, want us to completely disregard it. There is no established basis for your request, as BOI is generally considered reliable, even though their figures may not be consistent with other sources. Keep in mind that all Indian film financial figures are estimates, and without independent central auditing there is no way to gauge accuracy. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:12, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Dangal collections are wrongly calculated by boxofficeindia so delete the wrong source.

Currently Baahubali2 and Dangal movies are running successfully all over the world and they have collected approximately 1596 and 1563 crores globally. Now out of somewhere a site called boxofficeindia.com came up with some bizzare numbers which are wrongly framed. Based on the reference provided correct the article "List of highest-grossing Indian films". If needed let me know if the reference provided is not sufficient as we can give reference of multiple sites with correct source data.

SIIMA (talk) 18:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

References

How come Dangal collections went past from 1,523 crores to 1743 crore in one day?

Dangal collections were 1,523 crores until 23rd May. How come it went to 1743 crore by 24th May. Definitely, something is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhuvannalla (talk • contribs) 13:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Bhuvannalla: a few posts up someone seems to attribute the bump to the release of the Mandarin dub. I don't know if that's legit. He added links, so you can check it out. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:14, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Bhuvannalla: Well, I've had to redact the comment because the guy took the content mostly verbatim from this source, but if you look at the source, that might explain some things. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:29, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/baahubali-2-dangal-box-office-collection-aamir-khan-ss-rajamouli/1/962397.html this is correct source for baahubali 2 and dangal update it @CyphoidbombCyphoidbomb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akhil Manne (talk • contribs) 14:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Akhil Manne: How do you arrive at that link being the "correct source", as opposed to other sources with conflicting opinions being "correct"? The entirety of Indian film finances is based on guesses. You're placing a lot of stock in one guess over another guess. Also, who is Ramesh Bala and what is Cinema Pesalam? I don't see either at WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:19, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I Think its all the work of "Hindi lobby"... Dangal was not showing as "currently running in cinemas" for past three months, but as soon as "Baahubali 2" reached 1500 crores , hindi lobby suddenly became proactive and turned the background color of "Dangal" to green just to show that it is currently running in theaters... the fact is dangal has completed its theatrical run long ago...its current run in "China" and earnings shown there is the handiwork of this hindi lobby which cannot digest the fact that a Tamil/Telugu film has crossed them in the highest ever benchmarks of 1500 crores.. that is it ...--Adamstraw99 (talk) 14:56, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Adamstraw99: If this were a western film, say, one of the Marvel superhero films, would we not track the film's release in China? Captain America: Civil War made significant money in China, and those financial gains are all part of the USD$1.153 billion gross. There is also specific coverage of monies made in other regions, including China, South Korea, and the UK, which were the three largest international markets. How is Dangal any different? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:27, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

yup, yup, @Cyphoidbomb, dangal is no different(despite the fact that hindi lobby jumped in after baahubali defeated dangal..hehe) .... but you hev not yet told me why 'mohabbatein' and 'K3G' ARE listed as highest grossers for the year 2000 and 2001 when actually they are not...and you are defending both these inaccurate listings ?? Adamstraw99 (talk) 15:46, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Adamstraw99: Do I really need to explain why? It should be extraordinarily obvious: Because that's what the sources[5][6] say. We don't edit according to our personal opinions/impressions/beliefs, we edit according to what sources say. So if you want to challenge the BOI figures, you'll need to bring references to the contrary and then present a compelling argument for why we should ignore BOI. And, you will need the agreement of other editors to make such a change. This discussion should all take place somewhere other than in this discussion thread, since this thread is about Dangal, not about 16-17 year-old films. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

According to ramesh bala the collections of dangal were 1535 crore and bahubali 2 were 1596 crore but here it was totally different.

The box office report website shows different figures now as compared to what was edited here. So that website definitely looks unreliable Scak80 (talk) 18:47, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

It is now showing 1530cr for dangal. Scak80 (talk) 18:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Check the following sites: dangal-vs-baahubali-2-worldwide-box-office-collection-aamir-khans-film-set-beat-record-prabhas-728126 Scak80 (talk) 18:51, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Though I am not ruling out the reliability of Box Office India (BOI), I certainly feel that it's recent report is absurd. I mean, the day Baahubali 2 (BB2) grossed Rs 1500 crore, most of the reliable news blogs reported this fate on the next day with a proper agreement of figures. If Dangal had indeed surpassed BB2 and that two by a huge margin of 156 crore, it would have received huge coverage on online media at least. Like it happened when BB2 broke PK's record and when it grossed over 1000 crore and when it grossed over 1500 crore. But in this case, I didn't come across even a single "reliable" source other than BOI supporting Dangal's 1743 crore figures (the problem lies in the figure itself). Instead the other sources continued citing trade analysts' estimates for both films. Right from BB2's release upto yesterday, we had gone as per reliable sources citing estimates of trade analysts Ramesh Bala and Taran Adarsh and we knew that Dangal was still trailing past BB2 by a sizable margin till yesterday and most sources supported the same. And today, we suddenly come across a single BOI report which makes nearly "absurd" claims. I think we must give weightage to largely agreeing sources published by likes of India Today, NDTV, The Indian Express, Business Standard etc. Even The Times of India (TOI), which is often the first website to report BOI's figures has reported only those of BB2, i.e. 1530 crore figure against 1586 crore figure commonly supported by rest of the sources. TOI hasn't reported Dangal's figures of BOI. There is something fishy and biased in the particular highlighted report of BOI. We must check it properly sir. I think we must wait until other sources also report about Dangal surpassing BB2. Please do reply. Vibhss (talk) 19:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: ramesh bala is box office analyst - he gives correct numbers and taran adrash is senior most box office analyst of india- if u want to know about detailed collection of dangal you can check it taran adrash twitter page, dangal is not crossed bahubali 2 yet.indian collections are not guess anymore- it was earlier but not now, if u believe in that guesses why did you trusted boxoffice india website ? and why did u updated in wikipedia, only website which is wrong, their are lot of websites with correct figures which is dangal not crossed baahubali 2, please edit it in wikipedia (Akhil Manne (talk) 20:29, 25 May 2017 (UTC))

Edit the gross figure of Dangal. Now the same page http://www.boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2952 edited Dangal collections as 1538 crore. We can use this reference http://www.ibtimes.co.in/dangal-vs-baahubali-2-worldwide-box-office-collection-aamir-khans-film-set-beat-record-prabhas-728126 for both the films. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.49.80.251 (talk) 00:51, 26 May 2017 (UTC) Sorry, forgot to login.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 May 2017

File:S. S. Rajamouli at the trailer launch of Baahubali.jpg|thumb|140px|S. S. Rajamouli's Baahubali 2: The Conclusion is the first highest grossing Indian film to date and he is the first Indian director to achieve the feat of grossing over than 1000 crore rupees 171.50.182.53 (talk) 03:57, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:16, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 May 2017

As per IBT times india Baahubali2 and Dangal are yet to cross 1600 crores gross worlwide with Baahubali having an edge over Dangal. Due to wrong calculations Boxoffice india site has provided Dangal with an additional 200+ crores which has to be reverted back

I am trying to bring the changes as below SIIMA (talk) 17:53, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:20, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 May 2017

In the global gross figures, Rajamouli's picture is present. Yesterday, its caption was changed to second highest as per yesterday's collection which was 1530 crore as compared to Dangal's 1538 crore. However, today's latest sources already present in the article report that Baahubali 2 has once again broken Dangal and also Box Office India wrote it incorrectly as 1739 crore. (it is corrected now on their website to 1539 crore [5 and 7 got exchanged while typing i guess], current gross of Baahubali is 1605 crore.) Based on the references provided in the global gross figures table, please change it to number one to reflect current status. 2.51.22.50 (talk) 14:16, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

I see image got removed, now that's better instead of the incorrect info 2.51.22.50 (talk) 14:21, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Already done Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:25, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Why it is written second highest grossing film for Baahubali 2 under Rajamouli's picture

Please remove the word second until it comes to the second position — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.49.80.251 (talk) 13:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

I removed the image in this edit. Seems like a needless distraction/decoration while the finances are still in flux. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:26, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

A request to ensure accuracy

Hi,

As the battle for top spot gets closer, can we please ensure that the worldwide box office numbers we publish can be verified by breaking them down into domestic and international revenue? This will ensure that figures circulated by the media cannot be used unless they can be verified in such a way.

Thanks. Factual Proof (talk) 15:28, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Baahubali 2 vs Dangal box-office collection: Aamir Khan's film beats SS Rajamouli's epic

Update the latest collection information from valid source

As per box-office figures, Dangal has earned Rs 1743 crore worldwide, while Baahubali 2 has netted Rs 1530 crore.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/baahubali-2-vs-dangal-box-office-battle-aamir-khan-rajamouli/1/963338.html | Chennai, May 26, 2017 | UPDATED 10:05 IST Sanjan Kumar Patel 07:17, 26 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanjanind (talk • contribs)

That was a typing error by Box Office India which listed it at 1738 crore first, now its changed to 1538. India Today replicated the source. That time Baahubali 2 had 1530 crore so technically it was surpassed. Then again Baahubali 2 got 1596 crore while Dangal got only 1563 crore, so its number one once again. Oh yeah ! 2.51.22.50 (talk) 13:10, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

It's totally wrong Jagan rao (talk) 14:48, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jagan rao: What do you mean ? 2.51.22.50 (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2017 (UTC)I

I wrote about it in Bahubali gross according to youtube — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jagan rao (talk • contribs) 15:16, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Bahubali gross according to youtube

Many of youtube videos had been saying that bb2 collections had reached 1657 by 28 may,2017. But ,many of english news papers had been saying that bb2 had just grossed 1600 crores and also they are saying that dangal had crossed bb2 Why they are giving there own statements without any official meet by dangal producers? Even bb2 producers are giving data about collections. And also most of papers are discriminating telugu movie . So please stop editing the dangal collections till official data was given by their producers. Not only dangal but also bb2 .Don't edit them.Please save the respect of Wikipedia.Please.And also if you want to change collections refer highest grossing films of china once. Jagan rao (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Youtube contains famade videos, official data released by producers are not used in Wikipedia as they are labelled primary sources, the producer may increase the money to reach number 1. Also note to admins, the Baahubali 2 gross is 1633 according to the reference while it is 1623 now. Change it as the ref does not mention 1623 only 1633. 2.51.17.247 (talk) 11:31, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 May 2017

"Please change Box office collection of KABALI From Rajat491 (talk) 14:30, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:59, 29 May 2017 (UTC)