Talk:Jisc

This page was proposed for deletion by Piotrus (talk · contribs) on 1 September 2020 with the comment:
The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar.
It was contested by MartinPoulter (talk · contribs) on 2020-09-07 with the comment:
Removing PROD because the deletion is heavily contested- see Talk- and Piotrus has been pinged

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Copyright violation

Large sections of the page appear to have been lifted from the JISC website. I've reverted to the previous version until someone can show that the material was used with permission. Pishmishy 08:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't this article simply a pr exercise. surely there should be information about the cost of this organisation.Alnpete (talk) 13:48, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article is still written entirely in 'management-speak', with lots of woolly and ultimately meaningless talk about 'strategy' and 'reviews' (which still looks as if it was lifted from the website), and absolutely no hard information about the types of projects which the organisation funds (or doesn't fund). GrindtXX (talk) 17:04, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

page name

JISC is just JISC these days, it's not an acronym any more. See the JISC website, strategic plan etc. This page should be at [jisc] and [Joint Information Systems Committee] should redirect there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.173.4.184 (talk) 14:33, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For example, see: http://www.jisc.ac.uk/aboutus.aspx : JISC is the name of our organisation. Historically, it stood for Joint Information Systems Committee.

137.222.114.239 (talk) 12:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense sentence

The following sentence (from the History of JISC section) is grammatical nonsense. I can't even begin to imagine how it was supposed to read:

"A major challenge facing JISC when it was first established was to support a much larger community of institutions, comprising the ex-polytechnics and higher education colleges, along with the universities served by JISC’s predecessor bodies, the Information Systems Committee (ISC) and the Computer Board and acted as Vice-Chair to the ISC was appointed as Chair to the newly created JISC."

GrindtXX (talk) 17:13, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Move?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Note that if renominated this needs to a multipage request since JISC is already occupied. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:41, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Joint Information Systems Committee → JISC –

This organisation is now simply named JISC (as its website makes clear): it is no longer an acronym. I have changed the lead para, but am unable to move the page because a page named JISC already exists as a redirect. User:Biruitorul 19:18, 13 October 2011‎ (UTC)[reply]
But is it a dominant meaning compared to the Japanese Industrial Standards Committee? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:43, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Depends on the circles you move in. However, I'd have thought the fundamental point is that the Japanese body is known by the primary title of the Japanese Industrial Standards Committee, with the acronym JISC being used as an alternative secondary title; whereas the British body is known by the primary title of JISC, with its former name of Joint Information Systems Committee now redundant. Therefore the British body takes priority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrindtXX (talk • contribs) 17:20, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Update request

I'm currently employed as a contractor for Jisc, so will not edit the article. Some things that are out of date:

For the infobox: Jisc is no longer a committee, so it does not have a chair. The current leader of Jisc is Martyn Harrow and his title is Chief Executive. ^[1] He was appointed in 2012.^[2]

Jisc's registered charity number (in England and Wales) is 1149740 - can be confirmed through the official database at http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/find-charities/

Present-tense statements should call it Jisc, not JISC, since it's no longer an acronym.

Jisc is arguably Wikimedia's most important strategic partner in the UK, so it would be nice to see the article more up to date. Thanks, MartinPoulter (talk) 11:15, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I changed leader. Non-departmental public body should probably be something else too, do you know a good wikilink? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:02, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Knowledge Exchange

Basic facts about the Jisc-related Knowledge Exchange can be found in Wikidata: Q48611415 -- Oa01 (talk) 11:01, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Additional references and update suggestions

Hello, I work for Jisc so can't edit the page directly. This is only my second time contributing, so apologies if I make any errors.

On the request for more secondary sources talking about Jisc's work, would any of these be of use:

Academic publishing / negotiations

Universities 'will cancel deals with publishers' (Research information, Aug 2020)
Cut UK academic publishing fees by 25 per cent, urge universities (Times Higher Education, June 2020)
‘Step-change’ agreement between Wiley, Jisc and UK institutions (The Bookseller, Mar 2020)
UK universities ‘paid big publishers £1 billion’ in past decade (Times Higher Education, Mar 2020)

Connectivity

‘A new era for schools’ – government unveils £10m education technology strategy (Public Technology, Apr 2019)

Cyber security

FE cybersecurity: drop in DDoS attacks during lockdown (tes, May 2020)
College cyberattacks on the rise (tes, Feb 2020)
More universities strengthening their cyber security (National Cyber Security Centre, Nov 2019)
Hackers beat university cyber-defences in two hours (BBC, Apr 2019)

Student experience

Continuous assessment ‘may be more stressful’ for students (Times Higher Education, Feb 2020)

Educational data and analytics

Graduates earn 35pc more – but leave university with £55k in debt. Is it worth it? (The Daily Telegraph, Aug 2020)
Jisc and HESA: an integration for the future of data (Wonkhe, Jan 2019)

In terms of other updates - the logo has changed. I'm not sure what the process would be to get the new one added - but I can provide a copy if needed.

Hfd rich (talk) 15:10, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Piotrus: In light of the above links that Hfd rich has posted, the ref that I've added under Further Reading, and the mentions of Jisc in government documents [1][2][3] are you willing to accept that the organisation is notable? The article is unarguably terrible but the organisation itself is such a long-established part of the education sector in the UK — that most universities or colleges have contact with — that it would be very strange for Wikipedia not to have an article about it. MartinPoulter (talk) 17:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just to agree in principle with MartinPoulter. Jisc is an important component in the infrastructure of higher education in the UK, and by all reasonable standards is undoubtedly notable. The problem, I suspect, is that most of the time it just quietly gets on with its job, and so only rarely hits the headlines. In addition to points already made, note that there are over 200 wikilinks to this article; and also a German-language counterpart (albeit equally in need of revision and updating). GrindtXX (talk) 18:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I too am not a particularly active Wikipedian, but thought I'd comment to object to the deletion of JISC. There is a fair amount in the academic literature, particularly on digital preservation, penned by or referring to them e.g. The Digital Curation Centre and Where’s the Archivist in Digital Curation? Exploring the Possibilities through a Matrix of Knowledge and Skills. I have no affiliation to JISC. DistractionActivity (talk) 20:58, 5 September 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Jisc is notable

A quick search on Google Scholar yields 16,100 hits for "Joint Information Systems Committee" 223 Wikipedia articles link to Jisc Google Scholar yeilds 12,600 hits for "COPAC", the Jisc predecessor I object to the deletion. However, I do agree that the page has major problems. Johncosgrave (talk) 17:36, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with this. Jisc is a backbone of the UK HE sector so I find the notice to be a bit incredulous. · | (t - c) 07:39, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

JISC operated for several years before fast wide area networking was remotely a commodity. To realise value from the emerging SuperJanet in the mid 1990s, JISC ran a programme of fostering "metropolitan area networks", the MANs, which started off with linking in JISC-supported projects formed by regional groups of universities, then quickly added regional FE colleges, giving countrywide coverage quickly. With the advent of commodity dark fibre, the MANs are now history but they were an important part of the evolution of today’s JANET. At the same time as the MANs were appearing JISC was rolling out a list of network-based services, all of which enabled network-based education and research resources for library access, teaching materials construction and their sharing, etc. I did consulting work for the JISC from about 2001 to 2013 and it was a very "busy" and growing organisation in that time, with excellent penetration into many HE and FE institutions due to the representation of institutional people on them. It had tremendous credibility with analogous outfits in other countries, European ones, Australia, and USA etc. All this was led when Malcolm Read OBE chaired the JISC. To have him omitted from the Wikipedia page about JISC is a travesty of the first water. As other commentators have said, the present article badly needs a comprehensive overhaul by person(s) who can relate its history in the earlier phases of its existence. Today’s Jisc may be different, but it would be a sin if its history was not correctly recorded. I hope that helps Bicyclic (talk) 14:53, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Page move and opening text: Jisc / Joint information systems committee

The opening text just added 'The Joint Information Systems Committee, branded as Jisc' is incorrect. The current charity organisation established in 2012 is called Jisc. Before this there was a committee (not an organisation) - and it's executive - called Joint Information Systems Committee. see arrticles of association for more https://jisc-ac-uk-static-assets-prod.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/media/documents/jisc-articles-of-association.pdf

The recent page move / redirect was made without discussion and I suggest it should be reverted.

Foxdown (talk) 21:07, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. The current name is clearly Jisc. See also its Charity Commission page. GrindtXX (talk) 22:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cfls: please undo your recent renaming. The name of the charity is Jisc and Joint Information Systems Committee is its former name from long ago. It's immaterial that the original move to Jisc had no consensus; it correctly reflected a changed situation. Ironically, if you had asked here for consensus for the recent change, you wouldn't have got it. MartinPoulter (talk) 12:24, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks User:Amakuru for reversing this change. Much appreciated! MartinPoulter (talk) 13:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www.jisc.ac.uk/about/corporate/leadership

[2] ttp://www.hefce.ac.uk/news/newsarchive/2012/name,76166,en.html

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