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Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2019

Please add in that Tony Stark is canonically bisexual. It is an important part of his personality and it is important that his part in showing LGBTQIA+ representation is acknowledged. Calamityrogers (talk) 10:27, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Can you provide a cite for that, please? -- The Anome (talk) 10:41, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Zingarese talk · contribs 21:43, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2019

Hi I just wanted to add that toward the end of Robert Downey Jr.'s career, he died in the movie "Avengers: Endgame" Thanks Antonyjoshua18 (talk) 03:18, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done Not true. — MRD2014 (talk) 22:39, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Merger with Iron Man's armor

User:Dylanvt proposed this after User:Nightscream declined a PROD. A quick glance at the two articles indicates to me that 1) the material at the armor article is not adequately covered here and 2) the character article is already too laden with in-universe material to make a merge practical. I oppose the merger. In addition, I have been asked to help improve the armor article by User:Penguin7812, and my advice was for him to convert the prose at the armor article into a table that shows the armor name, it's first appearance, a brief not if there's something special about it, and a reference. Argento Surfer (talk) 18:11, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

I proposed merging the armor article into this article, and I would add a further stipulation that the armor article be vastly reduced. Almost 100% of the content in that article is in-universe and lacks citations to third-party sources. Dylanvt (talk) 18:22, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm against the idea. The merger would just overflow with information and make it unreadable. The armors have enough potential to stand as its own article just as a list. Perhaps we can recreate the article to be more fitting.Penguin7812 (talk) 19:43, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Oppose. The In other Media page should be merged but not the main page. But I am one who felt that the Spider-Man’s power and equipment (or at least an separate article on his web-shooters and Costumes) and Superman’s power should have stayed too. So maybe my opinion shouldn’t matter since they were deleted. Jhenderson 777 20:07, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

But there is no denying that the article is excessive. It needs a trim badly. Jhenderson 777 20:09, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Oppose - I also oppose the merge. @Argento Surfer: and @Jhenderson777: are right about their claims. If the info on the armors are to be trimmed, the important information about them must be spared. --Rtkat3 (talk) 20:10, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Oppose merger as per above, as it is one of the most notable non-character fictional elements in comic books and related media. BOZ (talk) 22:42, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Since the consensus is against the merger, I will proceed and remove the merger template now. Penguin7812 (talk) 05:11, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

musk is iron man?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/09/elon-musk-the-real-life-iron-man is this a one off article or has this comparison been made enough to have a mention in the cultural section?

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2019

I really want to say something about Iron Man. Please let me edit. Thanks!

charlotte] 15 years old 28bachmancharlott (talk) 00:55, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:15, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2019

I want to request you to write on the top that iron man is strong 2001:E68:5418:71C1:59D4:2528:45AA:381D (talk) 04:36, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: you've given no reason and no sources. NiciVampireHeart 06:07, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:25, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Partnerships

Can we add Janet Van Dyne, aka the Wasp, in Tony's Partnerships? They recently haved a relationship. Johnf69 (talk) 08:59, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2020

95.246.175.35 (talk) 09:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

It's not going to be ab achieved footage, he's going to reprise his role in Black Widow

 Not done Hi IP editor, I'm afraid it's not clear what you want to change here, or what your source is. Please be specific about the changes, along the lines of 'Change X to Y, based on this source...'. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 09:21, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2020

87.19.172.51 (talk) 17:01, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

It will not be archivied footage, Downey Jr. will actually reprise his role

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:05, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Statue erected in Forte dei Marmi, Italy

In 2019, a statue was erected. I think that would be a great adding for Reception. Here's a source : https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/iron-man-statue-italy-avengers-endgame --HowToGetAwayWithAnnoyingEditors (talk) 18:30, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2020

I want to change his birthday ok? Its not correct. Pls its a birthday. 108.28.95.94 (talk) 22:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Be specific and include the source. RudolfRed (talk) 00:35, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

I was looking for the 2008 film "Iron Man". After arriving at this page, it took me a while to find it. Maybe a link could be added at the top? Normally if I type the name of a film into Wikipedia, I get a link to it fairly quickly. Grand Dizzy (talk) 12:09, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done. The article is at Iron Man (2008 film). IronManCap (talk) 14:44, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you! Grand Dizzy (talk) 17:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2021

He does not have superhuman strength 1234onetwo (talk) 21:20, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Wearing his Iron Man armor provides him superhuman strength, even if Tony Stark remains a regular human. IronManCap (talk) 21:26, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2022

Was Daboy 0 (talk) 21:06, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 21:11, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Pa seen poes

Pa se poes 41.114.225.175 (talk) 18:03, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2023

2A02:C7E:2C3A:A600:80DD:6A27:8A41:B7DC (talk) 18:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

Passed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 16:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I'll do this one. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Comments

Firstly, congratulations on taking this from a 180,000 byte indisciplined hulk to a lithe 67,000 byte machine in a few days: a transformation as remarkable as anything in any comic book.

  • The publication history and characterization are admirably comprehensive. I'm unclear why "Armor" should not be treated as one of the "themes and motifs", since, while obviously important, it is clearly both a running theme and an Iron Man motif. Perhaps it would make sense to promote "Themes and motifs" to be a top-level chapter, with subsections for "Politics", "Technology", and "Armor", or something along those lines.
    • The thought process here is that it was originally a section for "powers, abilities, and equipment" or something like that as is often included in superhero articles. The abilities section was mostly about his personality and role as a businessman, so that type of info was better suited for characterization. Then his only "powers" were tied to the armor, which just made it one "armor" section. I could definitely see it going under themes if you think that's a better spot for it. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:12, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
  • The heading "Personality and motivations" is interesting, well-written, and well-sourced, and in a way it does tie into 20th century technological progress and politics, so it isn't just an in-universe view. But what I am not seeing much of in the article is a discussion of the Iron Man imagery and symbolism (I don't just mean the graphics) and its place in society, pace the very brief paragraph on "Cultural impact and legacy": in other words, the view from outside. Obvious concerns to the ignorant outsider would be issues of sexism, racism, and American nationalism; and even the question of Iron Man's impact on the Superhero (and his place in the American monomyth?) does not get much coverage: in every case, depending on the available sources.
    • I feel like personality and themes generally cover these aspects of his character. I tried to find more sources about the influence of the character on fiction, but those were harder to come by. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:12, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
      • This is prima facie surprising, but it may be that the discussions are of action heroes more generally, so that it would be a part/whole error to rely on those discussions in this specific context.
        • Yeah, this is more or less what I found. It's easy to find coverage of Marvel heroes in general, especially in relation to their film appearances, but a bit harder to separate out specific individual characters without inserting hints of original research and interpretation. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Small details

  • One small thing: the "Abilities" list in the Infobox is a bulleted list at 2 levels. All the other lists in the infobox are plain lists using <br/>, which causes less indentation. Perhaps the first level of the "Abilities" list might use the unbulleted format.

Images

  • The artwork images have NFUR licenses. The NFURs for the two Tales of Suspense images seem very abbreviated; I'm not an expert on such things but it does look as if they might be challenged.
  • The Downey photograph appears to be correctly licensed on Commons.

Sources

  • I am not well placed to undertake a source review for this article, but it certainly looks well-cited. The spot-checks I tried all worked out fine.

Summary

  • This is a fine article, interesting, authoritative, and informative.
Extended content
  • Still, I feel that it would be much improved by a scholarly and critical view "from outside", a discussion of the sociological aspects of Iron Man; and indeed it could fairly be argued that this is essential, one of the main points about the character. I look forward to seeing a section on this, and to seeing the article at GA. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:44, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Chiswick Chap, I'm not sure what specifically I should be looking for here. The personality of the character and the themes that the character is used to explore are both already covered. Is there a significant omission in those? I've addressed all other points above. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:12, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
      Thought I'd been very plain. Well, the article needs to cover discussion of the character's cultural, sociological and political implications, as I indicated with named links to lists if sources on the aspects that sprang to mind and are confirmed by the numerous sources there. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
      My understanding of "cultural, sociological and political implications" is what's written in the second paragraph of "personality and motivations", the first paragraph of "themes and motifs", and the paragraph under "cultural impact and legacy". Are we using different definitions? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
      We are drifting away from consensus here, not towards it. What the article does not contain, in any quantity, is analysis of these things. Dr X stated in 19xx that Iron Man exemplified unthinking sexism, Prof Y in 19yy that it was racist, to which Marvel responded by changing him in 19mm by doing such-and-such, only for feminist F in 20ff to assert that this was just window-dressing and that Iron Man's armor represented A, B, and C, and politician P in 20pp to state that ... in short, a concise summary of the cut and thrust of debate, the positions taken, the dates, the scholarly reasons given, characters to which he's been compared. Chiswick Chap (talk) 00:58, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
I disagree for a few reasons. First, I think you're overestimating the prominence of Iron Man related discourse in politics and academia, especially when we're considering comic book Iron Man as opposed to Downey's film portrayal. When Marvel made changes, it was generally a response to letters to the editor or to the general American political climate, both of which are mentioned in the article. Iron Man was not a well-known character until 2008, well after his character was modernized. Second, I'm generally skeptical of articles that use "Person X said [controversial opinion]" when Person X is not one of the main people involved with the topic. As far as I'm concerned, if it's a novel opinion from one random commentator that needs to be attributed in-text, then it probably doesn't warrant inclusion per WP:WEIGHT. And third, whether intentionally or not, it looks like you're asking for a thumb on the scale to favor a decidedly negative POV. It seems like we have very different ideas of what the article should look like. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:45, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
I see we aren't going to agree here, so let's agree to differ. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:35, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Reflecting on the discussion, I'm concerned about your "negative POV" remark. You are of course right that neutrality and balance are required. However, Iron Man has certainly come in for some criticism along the lines I've indicated, and the article is at the moment unremittingly positive, which is unbalanced in the other direction. I do not favour "Criticism" sections, as inherently unbalanced, but the article does require at least a brief mention that people have made hostile comments about the superhero for multiple reasons. You can further balance this with a statement that Marvel have repeatedly adjusted the character to soften his image, or whatever. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:05, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I read over the article again, and I identified one point where there seemed to be an omission of negative coverage, so I added a couple sentences to the "cultural impact and legacy" section. If the article is written in a positive manner, then I'll gladly fix it if there's any point where I used laudatory language instead of neutral language. But I'm not going to use a POV to draw a source.
Thank you, that's certainly an improvement. Nobody is asking you to put the cart before the horse; there is ample reliable evidence that this superhero, like the rest, has attracted criticism from multiple directions at different times.
The article currently covers that he was created to be "unlikable", that his character was changed as a direct response to the anti-war movement, that the character's politics were debated in the letters to the editor column, that Marvel used him as a pro-American pro-capitalist propaganda piece, that his anti-communist politics were dropped in favor of generic liberalism to avoid political controversy, that he is associated with a playboy image that sometimes veered into "belligerence, negligence, and misogyny", that his role in Civil War was seen as villainous, and that early portrayals of Soviets and of the Mandarin in Iron Man comics were based in racist tropes. I included these because they're the points that are supported by a general search for sources without explicitly seeking out positive or negative coverage. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:35, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for the explanation. I find the coverage uncomfortably close to unbalanced, not by lavish praise or actual denial but by smoothing out anything that might begin to sound negative with the briefest of mentions, while the positive aspects are covered in detail. "Seeking out [both] positive [and] negative coverage" could be described as a duty for any Wikipedia editor on any topic. But you are certainly correct that both sides are now touched upon, so I will say per the GA Criteria that "the main points" are now covered. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 04:22, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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Improved to Good Article status by Thebiguglyalien (talk). Nominated by FormalDude (talk) at 02:15, 15 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Iron Man; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @FormalDude: Good article, but the hooks are very uninteresting. The first hook, while true, is very basic and could probably be better done. The second isn't interesting. It's unsurprising that a superhero made during the cold war would participate in the cold war. Everything else is fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onegreatjoke (talk • contribs) 01:24, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: Added ALT2. ––FormalDude (talk) 02:35, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
New hook is better. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:08, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

"Ironheart (Avataars: Covenant of the Shield)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Ironheart (Avataars: Covenant of the Shield) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 16 § Ironheart (Avataars: Covenant of the Shield) until a consensus is reached. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2023

"many that double as business rivals for Stark" -> "twice as many business rivals for Stark." "Many that double" sounds strange and unnatural. 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:E9EE:AFCC:C60:16CF (talk) 10:44, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Changing to "twice as many still read strange and doesn't flow well with preceding wordings. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:35, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
It does not mean twice as many. It means that many of Iron Man's villains are also business rivals to Tony Stark. RudolfRed (talk) 17:50, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
I see. This interpretation makes much more sense! We're good here. Thanks! 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:40CA:BA96:538D:45F2 (talk) 22:23, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

The Avenger´s

"In the iconic group of heros called the Avenger´s.. With Captain America Hawkeye Black-Widow the hulk Thor and Iron man..¨ They have been the main superhero group since 1963..! They are all made up characters by Stan lee.. ¨Stan Lee, (born December 28, 1922, New York, New York, U.S.—died November 12, 2018, Los Angeles, California), American comic book writer best known for his work with Marvel Comics.¨ 64.6.5.146 (talk) 15:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

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