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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:14, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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5x expanded by SL93 (talk) and Angeldeb82. Self-nominated at 06:58, 26 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]

NOTE: This is my first DYK nomination review; please be patient with me. SmartAn01 (talk) 04:00, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: No - The game's motion capture use is not particularly interesting as its competitors (EA's Triple Play and Sony's MLB series) were using it at the same time. Could you provide any other subtleties of its use?
QPQ: Done.

Overall: I cannot find the quote, "The graphics are excellent, and the batter/pitcher interface is equally impressive. Unfortunately, the rest of the game is rather disappointing," in either GameSpot review as cited; I found some quotes in the cited review that could be used in place of the current quote. Other than that error and the lackluster hook, the article is appropriately cited, sufficient in length, and neutral. SmartAn01 (talk) 04:00, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SmartAn01 I fixed the quotes. I also added more information to the article for ALT1 ... that the 1999 video game Interplay Sports Baseball Edition 2000 is the first game released after the developer changed its name from VR Sports to Interplay Sports? SL93 (talk) 16:41, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@SL93: ALT1 is a better hook than the original one to me, though I am not sure if a developer name change is interesting enough. If it is, I would reword ALT1 slightly for better flow in a proposed ALT1.1: ... that the 1999 video game Interplay Sports Baseball Edition 2000 is the first game developed by Interplay Sports after its renaming from VR Sports? SmartAn01 (talk) 23:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
SmartAn01 I don't think that the developer changing its name is so important, but more so that this is the first game to reflect the name change. I do know that this is the last game of the series and I'm currently trying to source that so I can build a hook around that fact. SL93 (talk) 23:43, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
SmartAn01 I found a list of Interplay releases that shows that this is the only video game from Interplay Sports after the name change. I suggest ALT2 ... that the 1999 video game Interplay Sports Baseball Edition 2000 is the only game released by Interplay Sports after its renaming from VR Sports? SL93 (talk) 23:50, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@SL93: ALT2 does not work with the given citation; per WP:VG/S, usage of the Giant Bomb wikis is to be avoided. It is salvageable if you can find a report about Interplay closing their sports division. I did find this IGN article stating that the game has "more than 700 animation sequences"; I think it could supplement the original hook, but I am not sure if DYK hooks are allowed to be cited only through the combination of two sources. SmartAn01 (talk) 00:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
SmartAn01 Hooks can use any number of reliable sources. I removed the Giant Bomb source. I added more information for ALT3 ... that the 1999 video game Interplay Sports Baseball Edition 2000 used one announcer during a time that its competitors were switching to two announcers? SL93 (talk) 00:39, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@SL93: ALT3 works, though I would revise it to clarify that, with the Carllucci citation, the game featured a public address announcer as opposed to a two-person broadcast commentator crew; as such, I propose ALT4: ... that the 1999 video game Interplay Sports Baseball Edition 2000 used a public address announcer while its competitors were transitioning to two commentators as featured on baseball game broadcasts? SmartAn01 (talk) 01:13, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
SmartAn01 I like ALT4 a lot, but reviewers can't approve their own hook. I worked the information into the article. I am pinging theleekycauldron and Kavyansh.Singh as people who might be interested in approving ALT4. I hope you decide to stick around DYK longer because you do a great job. SL93 (talk) 01:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@SL93: Thank you for the complement. Sorry, I forgot that rule; I have been meaning to nominate an article of my own. I will ping SounderBruce as well since he has advised me on several Wikipedia-related affairs. SmartAn01 (talk) 01:33, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The ALT4 would probably work better if the hook specified that the two-person teams were used in real broadcasts of the game and not other video games. I had to re-read the hook a few times to get that right. Since I'm also suggesting a change, I'll recuse myself from adding a tick mark. SounderBruce 02:08, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4a: ... that the 1999 video game Interplay Sports Baseball Edition 2000 used a public address announcer while its competitors were transitioning to two commentators as featured on real baseball game broadcasts? SL93 (talk) 02:21, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@SounderBruce: Would substituting "baseball game broadcasts" with "baseball telecasts" work in this scenario? I was skeptical of using this terminology given that "telecast" is a portmanteau, but as ALT4 is very close to the 200-character limit, I think this phrase renders the inclusion of "real" optional. The only other option I can think of that can implement "real" without breaking the character limit is swapping "transitioning" to "switching", but I feel that the latter is less descriptive in comparison. SmartAn01 (talk) 02:36, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4b: ... that the 1999 video game Interplay Sports Baseball Edition 2000 used a public address announcer while its competitors were transitioning to two commentators as featured on baseball telecasts? I crossed out ALT4a as being 2 characters too long. SL93 (talk) 02:42, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this may come as a shock to you, but this teenaged spreadsheet nerd on wikipedia was never really a sports person. gasp! umm, anyways. I'm not sure if that relates to why this is, but I don't really... understand the hook. I'll dig into it, figure out what it means, but is there a way to make it clearer at first glance? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 07:15, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@theleekycauldron: I'm not sure if it can be written clearer; I was trying to explain that this game used a voiceover similar to a stadium's public address announcer at a time when the baseball game genre was shifting to featuring TV-like voiceovers such as those featured on MLB on Fox. If you're familiar with Joe Buck, he and whoever his broadcast partner is was what I was referring to. SmartAn01 (talk) 07:49, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@theleekycauldron: Now that I think about it, the hook could probably include "MLB" as a way to clarify the similarity; I was averse to invoking it as I wanted to avoid using acronyms due to the potential for misunderstanding, but in all likeliness, almost everyone knows the idea of MLB. Therefore, I present another revision in the form of ALT4c: ... that the 1999 video game Interplay Sports Baseball Edition 2000 used a public address announcer while its competitors were transitioning to two commentators as featured on real MLB game broadcasts? SmartAn01 (talk) 08:07, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think "other video games" instead of "competitors"? that's what was tripping me up. we can pipe some links if that helps to keep character count low. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 08:08, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@theleekycauldron That won't work; we were trying to compare the game to games within the baseball game genre. "Other video games" sounds like video games in general were using the two commentators. I guess we could use "contempories" instead, but it doesn't sound as good to me. SmartAn01 (talk) 08:16, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@theleekycauldron: Wait, I got it: "rivals". I think that's the word you were aiming for. SmartAn01 (talk) 08:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent—write that hook, and i shall tick it :D theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 08:31, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@theleekycauldron: ALT4d: ... that the 1999 video game Interplay Sports Baseball Edition 2000 used a public address announcer while its rivals were transitioning to two commentators as featured on real MLB game broadcasts? SmartAn01 (talk) 08:34, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, sorry, I may have spoken too hastily—the sources given don't support the idea that other games were transitioning to other things. Where can I find that? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 09:09, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@theleekycauldron: This article from the The Charlotte Observer states, "The PA announcer is adequate, but many of Interplay's competitors are switching to a more real-life, two-man announcing team." I felt that "transitioning" was a more appropriate word given that both this game and its rivals were parts of their respective series. SmartAn01 (talk) 09:29, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4e: ... that the 1999 video game Interplay Sports Baseball Edition 2000 used a public address announcer while its rivals were switching to two commentators as featured on real MLB game broadcasts? SL93 (talk) 16:28, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
good to go with ALT4e! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 17:01, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Promoting ALT4e to Prep 5 – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:14, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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