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The Czech Republic explicitly does not recognize the State of Palestine

The Czech Republic explicitly does not recognize the Palestinian state: In spite of being included in several list of states that recognise Palestine, on grounds that the former Czechoslovakia recognised it, the independent Czech Republic has never recognised the Palestinian state. The wikipedia page currently says, based on a Palestinian source, that the Czech Republic recognized it in 1988 - the Czech Republic didn't even exist in 1988; it only came to exist in 1993.

In 2015, Czech Foreign Ministry explicitedly said "Unilateral recognition of Palestine as a state is noneffective": http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Unilateral-recognition-of-Palestinian-state-is-non-effective-says-Czech-Foreign-Minister-380830

Asked about whether the Czech Republic would now recognize a Palestinian state, as Sweden did recently", he said that "despite reports in the media to the contrary", unilateral steps were unhelpful: http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/czech-republic-has-no-intention-to-change-policies-toward-israel-says-czech-fm

"The Czech Republic does not intend to unilaterally recognize a Palestinian state, as Sweden did last week, Zaorálek clarified.": http://www.timesofisrael.com/czech-fm-settlements-suggest-israel-uninterested-in-peace/

In fact, the Czech Republic was one of few countries in the world having voted AGAINST recognising Palestinian statehood at UNESCO in 2011 [237], and was the only European country to vote against the 2012 UN resolution on the recognition of a Palestinian state: http://www.un.org/press/en/2012/ga11317.doc.htm

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-czech-palestinians-idUKBRE8AT0P020121130

etc. I have added three times already all this information to the Wiki article, but it keeps getting reverted and replaced by the Palestinian source that says the Czech Republic recognizes its statehood 5 years before the Czech Republic was even created. Malanjines (talk) 16:02, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

OK, so now you acknowledge that it is sourced, but contend that the source is partisan. But then you counter this with Israeli sources, which kind of defeats your point.
The Czech Republic is a legal successor state to Czechoslovakia, and thus inherited all of its rights and obligations. This was made clear by the Czech government. See for example this declaration:

In conformity with the valid principles of international law and to the extent defined by it, the Czech Republic, as a successor State to the Czech and Slovak Federal Republic, considers itself bound, as of 1 January 1993, i.e., the date of the dissolution of the Czech and Slovak Federal Republic, by multilateral international treaties to which the Czech and Slovak Federal Republic was a party on that date.

Additionally, the Czech government approved a Constitutional law which explicitly stated that it continued to recognize states which had been recognized by Czechoslovakia:

Česká republika uznává všechny státy a vlády, které ke dni svého zániku uznávala Česká a Slovenská

The Czech Republic continued to maintain diplomatic relations with Palestine, see [2].
None of the sources you list support your claim that the "Czech Republic explicitly does not recognize the Palestinian state". That something is "noneffective" or "unhelpful" obviously does not mean it didn't happen. Nor does a vote against a UN resolution giving it observer status, which contained various other provisions. Consider Sweden, which voted in favour but didn't recognize Palestine until two years later. Arguing that a a NO vote implies non-recognition is WP:OR.
The list gives the date of original recognition (ie Russia didn't exist in 1988 either). I think it's debatable whether this is appropriate, or the date of succession is appropriate, I'm indifferent on that point. However, it doesn't change the fact that the Czech Republic succeeded to Czechoslovakia's recognition. TDL (talk) 03:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Botswana

Palestine and Botswana have established diplomatic relations [3] - ILBobby (talk) 02:49, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

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tajikistan

http://mfa.tj/files/kitobkhona/tajikistan_diplomacy_the_past_and_the_present_1/tajikistan_diplomacy_the_past_and_the_present_en.pdf page 166 -COUNTRIES, THAT ESTABLISHED DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH THE REPUBLIC OF TAJIKISTAN 06.03.1992 Palestine - please add--Murza-Zade (talk) 09:59, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Kyrgyz Republic

http://www.mfa.gov.kg/contents/view/id/98 12/9/1995 Palestine please add--Murza-Zade (talk) 10:00, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

New Zealands recognition of Palestine

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8018501/NZ-votes-to-recognise-Palestinian-state https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10850963

This actually happened in 2012, not sure why people aren't editing the post(i cannot as i don't know how) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nizb0ag (talk • contribs) 17:13, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

The source doesn't say that New Zealand recognized Palestine, just that they would vote in favour of the UN resolution granting them observer status. TDL (talk) 02:02, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2019

Bring Back Editing Palestine Recogniti

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 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Þjarkur (talk) 14:44, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Missing seven UN members

There are 193 UN member states. The list shows 138 recognising Palestine and 48 not, for a total of 186. Anyone know which seven are missing and what their positions are? Timrollpickering (Talk) 13:26, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

The missing ones (which I assume are non-recognizers) are Barbados, Tuvalu, Micronesia, San Marino, Palau, Monaco and the Marshall Islands.Selfstudier (talk) 18:45, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Violation of the Oslo accord

Someone may add that several legal opinions and diplomatic positions, describe a Palestinian "unilateral move" such as unilateral recognition, is a violation of the Oslo accords, or at least contrary to it's principles.

Example of reference: Self-Determination, Statehood, and the Law of Negotiation: The Case of Palestine By Robert P. Barnidge, Jr. --Blackmilky (talk) 01:05, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Map of Palestinian Observer Status

The map showing which nations voted for and against Palestinian observer status in the UN shows the island of Taiwan as having voted in favor which cannot be the case as Taiwan is not a member state of the UN and hasn't been since the 1970s, long before the vote happened. Wandavianempire (talk) 20:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Opening - percentage and Spain

Like the articles International recognition of Kosovo and International recognition of Kosovo, I'm simply adding, next to the number of recognitions (138 of 193 UN Member States), the percentage (71.5%) it represents. More importantly, Spain is not a member of the G20... Dan Palraz (talk) 11:25, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

@Dan Palraz: Until you are extended confirmed (30 days/500 edits) you may not edit this article, you may request edits here on this talk page. Selfstudier (talk) 11:29, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
So I am requesting that you please do the two changes mentioned above that you just undid. Dan Palraz (talk) 11:33, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
@Selfstudier: And actually no, I think you mistakenly assume the article is under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy#extended, which wouldn't allow someone with less than 500 edits to edit it. That is the case for many articles, such as State of Palestine. This article here, though, doesn't have such protection, so for now I am able to edit it. You should ask for its inclusion in the extended protection policy if you wish. Dan Palraz (talk) 11:39, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
@Selfstudier: (without Spain it's 10, not 11) Dan Palraz (talk) 11:46, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
And also, 10 countries ... *do* not recognize it, not "does not". Dan Palraz (talk) 12:02, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done Selfstudier (talk) 13:08, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Armenia

Armenia does seem to have officially recognized Palestine, but Armenia's MFA website does list Palestine as a country https://www.mfa.am/en/invitation_only. Shouldn't this be considered 'tacit' recognition? ----Երևանցի talk 18:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Armenian, Palestinian Foreign Ministers Meet in Paris

President Armen Sarkissian received the delegation led by the Head of the Higher Presidential Committee of Church Affairs in Palestine

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Armenia Voted for Palestine Status at UN

Why isn't Canada recognised here as a nation that recognises the State of Palestine?

The official website of the government of Canada -->https://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/west_bank_gaza-cisjordanie_bande_de_gaza/bilateral_relations_bilaterales/index.aspx?lang=eng<-- recognises an independent State of Palestine so shouldn't it be edited that Canada recognises Palestine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magellan Fan (talk • contribs) 03:10, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

"Canada enjoys positive relations with the Palestinian Authority (PA), the governmental entity in the West Bank and Gaza. Canada recognizes the Palestinian right to self-determination and supports the creation of a sovereign, independent, viable, democratic and territorially contiguous Palestinian state, as part of a comprehensive, just and lasting peace settlement." From the provided link
This suggests that rather than recognizing Palestine, Canada supports "the creation of a Palestinian state" and the right to self-determination. This could be read in a couple ways, however not outspokenly recognising Palestine in unambiguous terms similar to other countries included. Argacyan (talk) 23:14, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Why is Armenia listed on the Map is recognising the Palestinians?

Armenia does not recognise the State of Palestine and should not be listed as recognising it on the map. Salandarianflag (talk) 01:16, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Maps

Red signals bad and Green signals good. Someone created the maps with a bias. These maps should be updated.

Ideological bias on Wikipedia 2601:248:500:7AC0:C52A:3908:28FF:9D85 (talk) 04:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree that the map is biased. The same map is used for the International recognition of Israel. Compare the two and notice. On the one regarding Palestine, the south Pole is coloured in grey (which indicate countries that have never recognised palestine) but on the same map regarding israel, the same south pole is left in a nutral white colour. I believe this was done as trick to increase the volume of countries that do not recognise the state of Palestine in the eyes of the viewer. Mustapha2ieme (talk) 09:16, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 March 2023

In the section "Multilateral treaties", please link United Nations Convention Against Torture to the words "Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment". Thanks. 2A01:4C8:49:B2A2:60DA:A8FF:FE05:8F09 (talk) 09:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Not done. This is the common name for the convention, to the extent that the acronym UNCAT is used for it. The current wording also makes clear that it a UN convention. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Oh I see, it was written as the latter and not linked at all. That's amended and linked now. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:14, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Redirect

A page in red text was titled “International Recognition of Palestine”. I wanted to create the page. I found this page so i wanted to make the red text page a redirect page, but when I typed in the title of this page as a redirect, it said that this page doesnt exist. Anyone know whats going on? Squebbs the Pebbs (talk) 14:31, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

International recognition of Palestine is a redirect. Selfstudier (talk) 14:48, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Mexico has recognized the PA as an independent sovereign state .

Map should be updated to reflect that . 2.88.91.45 (talk) 17:22, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

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The map of countries that recognize Palestine needs to be updated. Mexico needs to be green. 2607:FA49:8742:F800:2970:9395:2EA1:64A5 (talk) 23:06, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done - may take a few minutes for the image to refresh though. Tollens (talk) 01:27, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for adding Mexico already. NYCT192 (talk) 18:08, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
@Tollens The map of recognition of Palestine has been reverted. Mexico is no longer green. Can you please fix it? Qhairun (talk) 02:35, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Yeah some confusing information on Mexico. I really want to know what is going on there. NYCT192 (talk) 03:41, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
While it will likely be forthcoming, need to wait a bit for an explicit recognition of SoP from Mexico.Selfstudier (talk) 11:43, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Yeah - I really didn't do much verification of this past checking the source provided, but on further inspection it seems the source provided was wrong. I will restore the addition of Saint Kitts and Nevis to the graphic (I assume it just got missed because it isn't very large on the map), but Mexico has not published any kind of statement recognizing Palestine. Feel free to ping me if the graphic needs to be updated again. Tollens (talk) 17:17, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
What about this source in Spanish here: https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/mundo/palestina-reclasifica-mision-diplomatica-en-mexico-al-nivel-de-embajada/. The Special Delegation of Palestine in Mexico has now been upgraded to an embassy already. NYCT192 (talk) 18:16, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
That still only appears to be a statement from Palestine - a statement from the government of Mexico would be needed, which they don't seem to have made. Tollens (talk) 18:30, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
But what about the Special Delegation of Palestine in Mexico becoming an embassy of Palestine. NYCT192 (talk) 22:09, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
That's only been published by Palestine - they can call themselves whatever they want. From a machine translation of their statement: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Expatriates announces the decision of the State of Palestine [emphasis mine] to reclassify its diplomatic mission in the United Mexican States, from "Special Delegation" to the level of "Embassy of the State of Palestine", as of Thursday, June 1, 2023. This does not appear to be a decision made by the Mexican government, but rather Palestine renaming its own embassy. Tollens (talk) 03:52, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
Okay got it. Thanks. NYCT192 (talk) 06:56, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
If we're waiting to see if Mexico makes an official statement (which I think is a good idea), then we need to revert it back to saying 138 of the 193 UN member states. Currently there are two instances in the main body of the article that say "139" (despite the map and table having 138). Everyone ok with reverting back to 138? Gfoxwood (talk) 22:34, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Fixed at Template:Numrec/Palestine. I didn't wait for more input on this one as the article should be self-consistent; if anyone wants Mexico back on the list we can discuss further. Tollens (talk) 22:51, 3 July 2023 (UTC)I agree with you Tollens. My good friend. Nothing on Mexico yet. Or even Greece as well. NYCT192 (talk) 23:40, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
unknown (talk) 12:20, 7 July 2023 (UTC)https://comunicacionsocial.senado.gob.mx/informacion/comisionp/cp-comunicados/317-senado-reconoce-relacion-diplomatica-entre-mexico-y-palestina. Unknown (talk) 12:20, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Some problem with that link, more info here https://www-enlacejudio-com.translate.goog/2021/07/28/senado-de-mexico-reconoce-relacion-diplomatica-entre-mexico-y-palestina/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es.
This is Mexican Senate expressing (in 2021) their "wishes that these be conducted at the level of reciprocal embassies, with all rights and duties determined by international law." It also says "despite the fact that our country maintains diplomatic relations with Palestine , it has not recognized a Palestinian State and only a few agreements have been signed" so we would seem to be still waiting for an official Mexico recognition at this point. Selfstudier (talk) 10:28, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
I know so nothing on Mexico or Greece. That’s it. Leave it as it is. NYCT192 (talk) 14:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
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U forgot your sig. Still not quite there. I know the headline says so but the article itself doesn't actually confirm Mexican recognition of SoP afaics.Selfstudier (talk) 18:18, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Yep we can close this discussion now. Anyway Greece and Mexico have not recognized Palestine at all. That’s just about it in my opinion. NYCT192 (talk) 18:22, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
They have not recognized SoP. Similar to other countries such as the UK, where there is parliamentary recognition unimplemented by government so far. Selfstudier (talk) 18:31, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Yep so leave this unchanged. Ok nothing more and nothing less. NYCT192 (talk) 18:41, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Most Maps of this article have a fault

they show North Korea (aka the Peoples Republic of Korea) as a UN Member state. Which it is not. 197.218.178.91 (talk) 18:53, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) is a UN member state. See https://www.un.org/en/about-us/member-states Selfstudier (talk) 19:19, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

As of 5 of July, 2023, Mexico adds to list of countries that officially recognize the state of Palestine

As of 5 of July, 2023, Mexico adds to list of countries that officially recognize the state of Palestine. An official announcement has been done regarding the stablisment of a Palestinian embassy in Mexico city. 2806:2F0:51E0:A8D7:D1A9:263:768D:5B65 (talk) 16:23, 2 August 2023 (UTC) IP edited initial post here CMD (talk) 01:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

According to what source? Selfstudier (talk) 16:26, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/pmofa/status/1664552689856913410 {{retired}} (talk) 00:51, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
We need a statement from the Mexico side. Selfstudier (talk) 10:04, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

European Union?

Looks like Palestine–European Union relations are not addressed, while "The European Union (EU) has a long-standing commitment to the vision of an independent and sovereign state of Palestine, living side by side with Israel in peace and security. The EU and the Palestinian Authority (PA) enjoy a strong partnership guided by the principles of mutual accountability, transparency and deep democracy that are essential to the establishment of a future democratic Palestinian state" https://www.eeas.europa.eu/palestine/european-union-and-palestine_en?s=206&etrans=fr&page_lang=en 77.193.104.36 (talk) 21:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

It's about a vision and partnership, not about diplomatic relations. Unless I have missed something? — kashmīrī TALK 22:14, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
I do not know for diplomatic relations/diplomacy; did you mean diplomatic recognition? In such a case, diplomatic recognition map does not match International recognition of the State of Palestine map. It is also different from the Foreign relations of the State of Palestine.
Politics looks quite complex headache in either sides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.193.104.36 (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Mexico is wrong

Mexico recognize palestine as an independent country but the map doesn't show it Dr Abbas Mohammed El Andalusi (talk) 22:40, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 November 2023

Ireland supports a Palestinian state 77.75.244.53 (talk) 12:54, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Many countries do, needs to be diplomatic recognition though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Selfstudier (talk • contribs) 16:13, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Mexico does recognize the State of Palestine

Ok, so all the reports saying Mexico had recognized the State of Palestine are correct – they have been starting to use "State of Palestine" in their official documents, such as this official document from their Ministry of Foreign Affairs from 16 May 2023: https://www.gob.mx/cms/uploads/attachment/file/825054/Anexo_3_Transportaci_n_Internacional.pdf

And https://www.gob.mx/cms/uploads/attachment/file/825056/Anexo_5__PAISES_ELEGIBLES.pdf - previously, they called it "Palestinian National Authority"

The same here, in this official document from 1st September 2023 the Mexican Foreign Ministry says it has signed an international agreement with the State of Palestine: https://www.gob.mx/cms/uploads/attachment/file/852203/5_InformeLabores_Secretari_a_de_Relaciones_Exteriores_Web.pdf

There will never be an official declaration saying that Mexico did recognize it though - why? Because, according to Wikipedia itself, it is Mexico's "core foreign policy guideline since 1930" never to announce official diplomatic recognitions, as per their Estrada Doctrine. But I guess that its Ministry of Foreign Affairs signing a treaty between Mexico "and the State of Palestine", and the Mexican government having started to refer to it as "the State of Palestine" in its official documents in the past months, is more than enough confirmation that the reports that came out also earlier this year about the recognition were correct, right? Dan Palraz (talk) 16:10, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

The "international agreement" (is it a treaty?) would imply recognition, assuming there will not be an official declaration, I still think we need to see independent third party confirmation of the case rather than primary research/sourcing. Selfstudier (talk) 17:59, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Sure thing. Here is one third party report: https://jacobin.com/2023/07/mexico-amlo-israel-palestine-embassy-diplomacy Dan Palraz (talk) 18:20, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
And here is the Mexican delegation three days ago at the United Nations referring in an official intervention as the State of Palestine: "We demand the Occupying Power to cease its occupation and all other acts affecting the territorial integrity of the State of Palestine, in accordance with the relevant Security Council resolutions" (https://www.gob.mx/sre/documentos/mexico-s-intervention-at-the-10th-special-emergency-session-of-the-general-assembly-on-the-situation-in-the-middle-east?idiom=en)
And here is the bilateral treaty signed between "the United Mexican States and the State of Palestine": https://transparencia.sre.gob.mx/transparencia-categorias/category/392-fracc-vi-i-los-acuerdos-interinstitucionales?download=149830:2022-feb-16-sreamexcid-palestina-mde-cooperacin-internacional&start=140 Dan Palraz (talk) 18:27, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
That's a memorandum of understanding, not a treaty. At the UN, all members refer to the SoP but that has no significance for non recognizing countries outside of the UN. Let me study the Jacobin source and see if there is enough there. Selfstudier (talk) 18:39, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
This RS says as of 14 June "the fact that 138 UN member states (with Mexico reported as likely to be the 139th) now explicitly recognise its statehood" Selfstudier (talk) 18:54, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
This says "It is worth noting that Mexico does not recognise states in the form of a public statement; its practice is to establish state-to-state relations with reciprocal embassies." Selfstudier (talk) 19:08, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Treaties need to be ratified. A signature is not enough. — kashmīrī TALK 20:52, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Mexico has representative office in Ramallah, right? Selfstudier (talk) 19:11, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
I suggest leave it here for a while to see if anyone else has an opinion but right now, I think we are not quite there. Selfstudier (talk) 19:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
No, no country that doesn't recognize the State of Palestine ever refers to it that way; you will not find a single speech at the UN by the USA, Israel, France, Germany, the UK etc in which they say "State of Palestine". And no, Kashmiri, recognition declarations and memorandums of understanding like the one above do not need to be ratified. Also, you will never find a memorandum of understanding signed between the USA, Israel, France, Germany, the UK etc and "the State of Palestine", as they don't recognize it and merely signing a memorandum of understanding with those words in it would imply recognition. And yes, Selfstudier, Mexico has an office in Ramallah - or, as they call it, in Palestine (again, you'll never see the USA, France, Germany, the UK talk about "Palestine", they always write "the Palestinian territories" - the fact Mexico says "Palestine" also confirms their recognition): https://twitter.com/ofimexpal?lang=en I don't really see what else we need, as Mexico doesn't do public announcements of recognition, but, as I showed, has changed its mentions in its public documents, in the past year, from "Palestinian National Authority" to "State of Palestine". And, as for what third sources say, we have sources saying they do recognize it - as well as the Palestinians saying Mexico recognizes them, without being refuted by Mexico. So I don't know what else we might expect to find. Dan Palraz (talk) 21:24, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Me either. You are able to edit this yourself if you are confident about it but you asked for opinions in talk and I gave you mine along with a couple other sources. Selfstudier (talk) 22:47, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
I was just banned for an indefinite amount of time from editing because of one 1RR violation even if I self-reverted right after making it. So I guess it will have to be you to add Mexico - someone had done it before, even adding it to the map, so all you need is to recover that previous edit, if you want to. I can't be of help here anymore. Best of luck to you, and to you all. Dan Palraz (talk) 22:53, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 November 2023

In 1980, Ireland was the first European Union member state to endorse the establishment of a Palestinian state. In January 2011, Ireland accorded the Palestinian delegation in Dublin diplomatic status.*

  • [Jones, Ryan (26 January 2011). "Europe starts process of recognizing Palestine". Israel Today. Archived from the original on 12 November 2018. Retrieved 4 September 2011.]

See Wikipedia page for "Ireland–Palestine relations" 217.183.20.233 (talk) 01:55, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Are you requesting we add "In 1980, Ireland was the first European Union member state to endorse the establishment of a Palestinian state." before the "In January 2011, Ireland accorded the Palestinian delegation in Dublin diplomatic status" we already have in the article? Cannolis (talk) 04:51, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Spelling

Please change "aquiescence" to "acquiescence" in the lead. 2A02:3032:213:1D9B:94CE:228:15CC:1645 (talk) 21:59, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 03:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Ireland, Norway and Spain recognize the State of Palestine

An edit should be made to change Ireland, Norway and Spain to the "Countries that have recognised the State of Palestine" section.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ireland-recognizes-palestinian-state-norway-spain-israel-hamas-war-rcna153427

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/1b086-ireland-recognises-the-state-of-palestine/

https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/norway-recognises-palestine-as-a-state/id3040194/

EduSci98 (talk) 19:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

This has been discussed already, waiting for it to be official. Selfstudier (talk) 19:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Does Malta already recognize Palestine?

Several news articles and the Maltese government say that Malta is going to recognize the State of Palestine soon; however, other sources say it happened decades ago when the State was formally established. In particular, the 2024 letter used on this article and apparently the Palestinian Ministry of Foreign Affairs mantain that Malta recognized Palestine on 16 November 1988, but I can't find a direct source. Should we edit by noticing this? Laterale (talk) 09:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Already being discussed above. Selfstudier (talk) 09:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't see it since it was a quite "recursive" reply. Laterale (talk) 09:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
@Laterale, I'm sorry but you cannot engage in a discussion here, as your account is not extended confirmed while this page is under ECR restrictions. — kashmīrī TALK 10:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

140

Would be good to compare the list mentioned at:

  • Lederer, Edith M. (2024-04-03). "Palestinians seek full UN membership again, but US is almost certain to block it for a second time". AP News.

…to the list at this article. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

It's not 140 of 193 UN members. It's 138 of 193 UN members plus 2 non-UN members (Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic and Vatican City) Please, correct it. Fernan860 (talk) 15:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 April 2024

Since Barbados has recognised Palestine today, these changes should be made.

Change " As of 4 April 2024, 140[clarification needed] of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states have recognized the State of Palestine." to " As of 19 April 2024, 141 of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states have recognized the State of Palestine."

And Barbados should be removed from the "No diplomatic recognition" table, and added to the "Diplomatic recognitions > UN members states" table with a line inserted like this: 139 Barbados 19 April 2023 Yes CARICOM, OAS

Sources: https://gisbarbados.gov.bb/blog/barbados-officially-recognises-palestine-as-a-state/ https://starcomnetwork.net/blog/2024/04/19/barbados-to-recognize-palestine/ Jlayne001 (talk) 01:33, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Done. Semsûrî (talk) 08:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
I'm sorry but I have recounted the countries, and shouldn't it be "As of 19 April 2024, 139 of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states have recognized the State of Palestine."? The Holy See and SADR aren't even UN members. Underdwarf58 (talk) 13:26, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
See this discussion, some disparity in the sources (pre-Barbados) as to whether it was 139 or 140. Selfstudier (talk) 17:04, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Totally agree. I think the next UN link: https://web.archive.org/web/20180927134802/http://palestineun.org/about-palestine/diplomatic-relations is the best source. It can be seen that in 2018 there were 137 UN States (including Vatican City/Holy See). After the recognition of Colombia, Saint Kitts and Nevis and now, Barbados (which do not appear on that UN list because it is not updated), there are 140 UN States (139 of the 193 full members plus Vatican City/Holy See)
By example, The New York Times says " 138 countries and the Holy See have recognized the State of Palestine." (before Barbados' recognition) (see https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/18/world/middleeast/palestinian-statehood-un-veto.html)
Other sources (before Barbados' recognition): https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-67231803https://www.visualcapitalist.com/recognition-of-palestine-map/ Fernan860 (talk) 20:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Hmm, Here it cites Mansour saying "Mansour said these matters are urgent, following a veto by the US on a resolution to accept the State of Palestine as a full member of the United Nations. "When they vote on these resolutions they recognise the rights of the Palestinians, but we are asking them to recognise the State of Palestine as an existing reality.” He said to date, 141 countries have recognised Palestine as an independent state - Barbados has recently announced plans to officially recognise the State of Palestine." Selfstudier (talk) 18:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Trinidad & Tobago recognition of Palestine yesterday

List of countries recognizing Palestine should be extended, as of yesterday (May 2 2024) to Trinidad and Tobago, source: https://foreign.gov.tt/resources/news/recognition-by-trinidad-and-tobago-of-the-state-of-palestine/ Aintgotrhythm (talk) 12:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

We should update this article because recently they recognise Palestine as a sovereign state. Qhairun (talk) 12:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit warring

@Semsûrî: You've violated the 1RR restriction by making several reverts today:

Please self-revert at the very least to the edit in which I correctly formatted the large table in the "No diplomatic recognition" section. This was quite a lot of time and effort, and your revert only to add Mexico (which was additionally a controversial edit on your part) was quite disruptive. Thanks. — kashmīrī TALK 16:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding Mexico back to the non-recognition list was not deliberate. In one of your edits, you (perhaps accidently) removed the sre.gob.mx from the Diplomatic recognitions-list which was my issue. Can you link to the version you want the non-recognition list to be at? Semsûrî (talk) 17:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
I might have made a minor mistake, and frankly I don't care that much whether Mexico is in or out at the moment. What I'd like is to get the whole formatting and templates back, like in this version: [10] Thanks! — kashmīrī TALK 17:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Bahamas as well

https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/143850 Selfstudier (talk) 08:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Mexico recognized Palestine

When I searched "Why Mexico has yet to recognize Palestine," sources pop up saying that Mexico does recognize Palestine. Here's one article: https://jacobin.com/2023/07/mexico-amlo-israel-palestine-embassy-diplomacy . Correditor56 (talk) 05:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

"Recuerda que a pesar de que nuestro país mantiene relaciones diplomáticas con Palestina, no ha reconocido un Estado palestino y sólo se han firmado algunos acuerdos;" - Coordinación de Comunicación Social - INICIO - Senado. 26 July 2021 Sean.hoyland (talk) 05:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
I think the recognition confusion re Mexico is more recent than that. It might be that Mansour in the section above is including Mexico in the 141 count, idk. Selfstudier (talk) 10:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
As of October 2023, Mexico did not recognize Palestine[11]. Semsûrî (talk) 10:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
This piece in the Jacobin contradicts that (btw that Telediario source says "Whether Echeverría Álvarez underestimated or unaware of the power of the Jewish community within the financial sector, in Hollywood and in the media in the United States,.... which is usually considered as an antisemitic trope).
We still need to figure out the 140/141 discrepancy, whether it be Mexico or something else. Selfstudier (talk) 10:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Mansour does not explicitly state 141 "UN members" which could mean he includes the Holy See? Jamaica is counted as 140th UN member here[12]. Semsûrî (talk) 11:04, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Speaking of discrepancy, there's also some ambiguity surrounding Malta as they are planning on recognizing Palestine (again?).[13] Semsûrî (talk) 11:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Some of the confusion may stem from the difference between recognisig a state (recognising its sovereignty) and recognising a government (accepting it as legitimate, i.e., maintaining diplomatic relations). Vide Afghanistan for instance which is recognised as a state by nearly all countries of the world, but its current government is recognised only partially. Not all journalists may understand the difference, either. — kashmīrī TALK 11:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
That's true but if you check the other discussion, there are several RS also using the higher figure. Selfstudier (talk) 11:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
I need some help. I edited the Arabic version of this article by adding Mexico with the same references but some user named Mystrixo reverted it by saying to me that "Mexico hasn't officialy recognized Palestine yet. What was said about the matter was from the Palestinian side only". Can anyone please convince him? Underdwarf58 (talk) 06:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Needs to be sorted out there, even though the annex to the UN letter includes it (see the section 140/141? below), so there is a case for including it, there is arguably a case for excluding it. It isn't a requirement for Mexico to officially announce it, some countries don't do that but it seems to me that if Mexico has allowed SoP to establish an embassy (so the ambassadors credentials have been accepted) then that is some sort of recognition even if backhanded (see the Jacobin article). Selfstudier (talk) 10:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Equatorial Guinea

Hi @Kashmiri, This document[14] from 2019 indicates diplomatic relations as the Equatorial Guinean ambassador in Cairo is accredited to "Palestine". Perhaps Palestine is absent from your 2021 document because it simply didn't have an ambassador stationed there at the time. Semsûrî (talk) 21:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Semsûrî, that's interesting. Does Concurrencia denote other countries that the given ambassador is accredited to? Or the given embassy's coverage area e.g. for visa/consular services?
The document I linked, from 2021,[15] lists all the missions accredited to EG, including those outside of the country (in fact, they are the majority given EG's size).
It's a tricky situation. Best would be to email their MFA and enquire I assume. — kashmīrī TALK 22:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
From the looks of it, yes. Concurrencia does denote other countries that the given ambassador is accredited to. The previous reference he put that you undid[1] is about the presentation of credentials which does mean that Equatorial Guinea and Palestine maintain formal diplomatic relations. Maybe the document that you linked from 2021 doesn't include Palestine because none of their missions have accredited EG yet. Underdwarf58 (talk) 23:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ [1]

May 10th 2024 UN vote

additional UN rights given by the resolution are noted here. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/05/1149596 At this time, I haven't been able to identify the voting record, but imagine that will be available on the UN's website shortly. Gregory5796 (talk) 16:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Pic here, just for interest Selfstudier (talk) 16:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

The votes Selfstudier (talk) 19:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I have uploaded an svg file for use later:
File:Palestine UN Membership Bid 2024.svg Underdwarf58 (talk) 04:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. There is one small mistake. DR Congo was absent (blue). 91.25.188.242 (talk) 09:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Without DR Congo, the number of those who voted in favor would be 142 instead of 143. Underdwarf58 (talk) 11:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
@Underdwarf58: DRC indeed was absent during voting[16], yet it's listed as having voted in favour! [17] — kashmīrī TALK 16:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
I just counted – Al Jazeera made a mistake and incorrectly listed DRC as voting in favour, bringing the number of countries on its list to 144 (!). @Underdwarf58, would you remove DRC from your map please?
BTW, this is just another reminder that we should never treat so-called reliable sources as God. — kashmīrī TALK 16:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
What do you think about integrating the map into the section "Timeline of Palestine in the United Nations"? 91.25.188.242 (talk) 16:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Non EC editors are permitted to make edit requests, is that a request? Selfstudier (talk) 17:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
I don't mind into which category you place it. I am not an editor. It is what it is: a proposal for consideration. 2A02:3035:609:D22B:8092:D87:23EA:EE44 (talk) 17:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

EU Member States Recognition Initiative May 21st

Perhaps worth mentioning in the non-recognition infoboxes for Ireland, Spain, Malta and Slovenia for now, before adding them to the recognising nations when the announcement is formally made? [1] Culloty82 (talk) 11:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Nah, best to wait until they actually do it. Selfstudier (talk) 11:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
This source says Slovenia will do it in June. Selfstudier (talk) 17:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
More info to keep you guys updated
Underdwarf58 (talk) 13:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Ireland confirmed: https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-to-officially-recognise-state-of-palestine/a128328868.html Eray08yigit (talk) 22:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Spain as well as two unidentified EU member states (most likely not Slovenia yet) are confirmed too.
Underdwarf58 (talk) 00:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Norway confirmed: https://www.reuters.com/world/norway-recognise-palestinian-state-nrk-aftenposten-report-2024-05-22/ Eray08yigit (talk) 07:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Sure, here’s the revised text with the primary sources included:
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I prefer working with primary sources rather than press releases. Could we please change the sources in the article accordingly?
The original press release from the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs: [Norway Recognises Palestine as a State](https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/norway-recognises-palestine-as-a-state/id3040194/)
The original press release from the Irish Ministry of Foreign Affairs: [Tánaiste Micheál Martin's Remarks on Palestinian Statehood](https://www.gov.ie/en/speech/7f450-tanaiste-micheal-martins-remarks-on-palestinian-statehood/)
The Spanish Ministry of Foreign Affairs has not yet published anything.
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Feel free to let me know if you need any further modifications or additional information. 91.25.188.242 (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0508/1448093-ireland-palestinian-state-recognition/

NORWEGIAN RECOGNITION OF THE STATE OF PALESTINE (22.05.24) Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 May 2024

CHANGE Norway's position from "do not recognize" do "recognize". Per a government press conference at the 22nd of May 2024, at 08:30 (ETC +1), Prime minister Gahr Støre announced the government will formally recognize the state of Palestine, starting on tuesday the 28th of May 2024.

SOURCE: https://www.nrk.no/urix/noreg-anerkjenner-palestina-1.16891635 Argonikon (talk) 06:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

They have recognized it but it will take affect on 28 May as the article states. Semsûrî (talk) 06:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Here the Independent saying 143, before the new three recognize officially so that is the 146 we have in the article, I guess, jumping the gun a little bit, but OK. Selfstudier (talk) 10:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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