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On 28 October 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Hurricane Oscar. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Requested move 28 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Raladic (talk) 23:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Oscar (2024) → Hurricane Oscar – Meets WP:PRIMARYTOPIC as there's alot of coverage compared to the other Atlantic Oscar storms and it's also the only Oscar storm that actually affected land and caused deaths (the other 2 were fish storms), It also has a few records too. SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 06:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – Oscar 2024 had no enduring notability, aside from its size, and no apparent long-term significance. Drdpw (talk) 13:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support – I'm not against the move but I can admit the reasoning for it is pretty weak. Tropical Storm Marco (2008) doesn't have the year removed despite being the smallest tropical cyclone on record because that was the only thing that made it notable. Oscar 2024 is no different and the only reason it's a support at all is because the other two Oscar's in the Atlantic never even impacted land. This Oscar does have a chance to have caused some significant damage in Cuba considering the power-outage crisis there which would give more credence to the move. Even then, I think if any kind of move happens that we oughta at least wait first. VantaWiki (talk) 14:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – Oscar probably won’t be retired after 2024, it was not significant like Beryl, Helene, or Milton and was mostly notable for its small size. AwesomeAndEpicGamer (talk) 17:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I disagree with the move as there is not much significant coverage concerning Hurricane Oscar and its impacts other than the damages left in Cuba and the Bahamas. Other than the record for being the smallest hurricane, there's no point in moving it to remove the year. tai (he/him) (talk) 21:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I don't think removing the year is helpful to readers, particularly in cases like these where the gap in significance is not especially large. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC does require "much more likely" usage and/or "substantially greater enduring notability", which are both difficult to assess so soon after the storm dissipated (see recency bias). For a storm like Helene, sure, no objection to removing the year even before the name gets retired, but Oscar ostensibly hasn't caused destruction on that sort of scale. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 23:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now. This iteration of Oscar looks to be the most significant as of this writing, but it is looking likely that the name will be reused again in six years' time (at the very least). And even ifone of Cuba, The Bahamas or Turks and Caicos (UK) would somehow request its retirement, I still think it will be more practical to retain the year; there's already a precedent for that: Hurricane Klaus (1990). Oscar does hold the record for being the smallest hurricane-strength tropical cyclone ever, but just like with Tropical Storm Marco (2008) – the smallest tropical cyclone of any strength – I think it will be better to retain the year. Vida0007 (talk) 01:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, Besides the particularly small size and timing, this storm will not be remembered. This is exacerbated by Cyclone Oscar and Typhoon Oscar trumping Hurricane Oscar in deaths. While not directly related, as hurricane is frequently conflated with tropical cyclone in general, at least in the United States, which makes my requirement for WP:PRIMARY higher. ✶Qux yz ✶ 01:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as $10 million in damage and 7 deaths are not nearly worthy enough to warrant a retirement. Haruka Amaranth 06:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that removing the disambiguation year does not necessitate retirement, e.g. Hurricane Idalia. ✶Qux yz ✶ 13:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In all fairness, Idalia only doesn’t have a disambiguation year because it’s the only storm with the name. A better example is Hurricane Agatha. It’s not retired, but it was notable enough and clearly primary topic. Insendieum ✉️ 23:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Oscar's most notable factor was its size. I don't believe that this Oscar should be the primary topic, also due to some of the points make by Quxyz. Shmego2 (talk) 13:16, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose As many others have said, the most notable thing about Oscar was it's size and as this iteration of Oscar will almost certainly not see the name retired (never say never) it wouldn't make sense to change the title. The size is more of a weather nerd thing, and will not be remembered by most people. Raskuly (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very Weak Support – Sure, Hurricane Oscar from this season – the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season – is the only instance where there is an article for an Atlantic storm with the name, but we can't forget storms that have been named Oscar in many other basins. Oscar from 2012 was a very weak fish tropical storm and Oscar from 2018 was a moderately strong category 2 hurricane that might've likely affected some areas in the Arctic Circle, but any and all effects were barely noticeable. For 2024, effects were FAR less severe than expected, but it's not really up to my power to change the title myself due to a massive undercount of the severity. But who knows, there could end up being more. We just have to wait and see. Iseriously (talk) 19:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well,if none of the other hurricanes named Oscar got articles its fine until 2030, which Wikipedia might not even be here by then. Or maybe it will, life is unpredictable. Anyway, we're writing a big book arguing about this, and we should just problably agree on something. It's 6 characters removed if we delete (2024), but if we keep it, something feels wrong. I'll give you a response, but we need to work on this.

Yeah, lets just call it hurricane oscar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph Ca98 (talk • contribs)

Please sign your comments by using ~~~~. Also, as Oscar isn't the primary topic, I oppose moving. Tavantius (talk) 14:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indented Joseph Ca98's and Tavantius's comments as I am not sure if that caused Iseriously's remarks to get bumped up. ✶Qux yz ✶ 20:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.